representatives of law enforcement there or special bodies, and mr. leshchenko, an adviser to the president’s office, distributed it, yes, he wrote that it was some old there about, well, an old maid who was there, who stayed and so on, on the other hand, a representative of guru, mr. yusav , he said, well, it's very likely that the enemy did it, and they 're going to be investigating this situation in great detail, so we, you know, it doesn't even matter here, as strange as it sounds, where this wiretap actually came from, why, because it has become today to a certain extent already a factor, well, politicians... largely due to our internal politics, it will still be in the public space for some time, maybe then there will be a decline, but everything will depend on what the inspection will establish, and what conclusions will be drawn, where did the servant come from really started there. actually, mr. volodymyr, i wanted to ask you, everything that will happen around zaluzhny, and all the information that will appear in the public space, well, i don't know, because any, any fact from his life , there, from his actions, eh, from which, from his...

the environment, will be the subject of close attention, because as it is, a high trust rating requires from the one who is trusted, well , a corresponding compliance of some kind, that is, that , if it does not happen, all of it will be considered in the context of future political activity with merit, i understand correctly, no , well, it can be considered, here everything depends on the person who is willing, if he goes into... politics, then it will be just like that, while this is the expectation, the expectation, first of all, of those people who do not want to see zelensky as president and want to see an alternative, today is the only one a possible alternative is a zaluzhnik, by the way, it is very noticeable, here you quoted, i looked carefully at this information, that 59 59% of people simultaneously trust both a dependent and a zalenskiy and a zaluzhnik. i, by the way, back when

this whole story was just beginning, i immediately said that this is exactly the situation, they trust at the same time, and therefore it is impossible to oppose these figures, because on this, let's say , the inner unity of the duet now holds, but what is interesting is that among those who do not trust, that means among those who trust zelensky, only 1% they trust only zelenskyi , only zelenskyi and there... do not trust zaluzhnyi, only 1%, yes, that is, this is, let’s say, a certain problem for the presidential team, zaluzhnyi, on the contrary, there is a large gap, 15% of respondents who do not trust zelenskyi, they only trust zaluzhnyi, they don't trust zelenskyi, only 1% of zelenskyi don't trust zaluzhnyi, but trust only zelenskyi, but in this case it's important not to contrast these figures. to preserve their unity,

but i am a principled opponent of this now competition, the fact that trust ratings appeared, i agree, yes, there were none, by the way, regarding the decrease in trust ratings, i will tell you, this is a general trend that applies not only to zelenskyi, the only exception is the armed forces of ukraine and zulazhnyk , because in this case it is in the conditions of war, the only main defender, the armed forces of ukraine, has a good rating. as a symbol of the armed forces of ukraine. people now cannot assess zaluzhny as a person, they practically do not know him. according to zelensky, you can evaluate specific actions, statements, actions, and so on. and extramarital is only a mythological symbol. and this is the advantage of zaluzhny. it's teflon now. he has almost no or a very low mistrust rating. and, the attitude towards him is generally positive, because he represents the armed forces. country, therefore, if

in the future, in the future , a more serious, let's say, the emergence of the publication of the scumbag will begin, people will see him as a real person, he will make a statement, today, by the way, he made one ambiguous and, in my opinion, contradictory the statement is yes, then the attitude can change, but as long as the war is going on, i think that it will objectively remain one way or another... a symbol of the armed forces and a symbol of trust. thank you, mr. volodymyr. mr. viktor, who is trying to oppose zuluzhny and zelenskyi. well, that is, not the espresso journalists, there, no, not the presenter serhiy rudenko, and no, those people who, well, discuss this topic. that is , these topics are constantly thrown at us, and these are people who are members of the pro-government party, the same mariyana bezugla, the same davyd darekhamia, that is... they, they do everything in order to

to push out, or, let's say, to do everything to push, in vain, to push into politics, but this is pushing, it always ends with the fact that the one whom i push... will definitely go even higher, so it was with yushchenko in in 2000, that was the case with zelensky, when he was not there either, well , he was only in the ratings, and he was simply rated and everyone thought, well , zelensky is probably a new face there, they were looking for a new macron, well, yes, if it is more correct to say, they found a bald eagle, that is, someone takes it all the same. pushing him, who is it? i i proceed from the fact that, in my analysis, from the fact that the entourage of president zelensky very much wants to keep power in the future, and they build their policy absolutely based only on

this paradigm, that is, the maintenance, multiplication of power and, most importantly, its continuation in time, on some period is desirable for a long time, yes, that's why... you and i once talked about the fact that if president zelensky gets a second term, then they will make the republic parliamentary, parliamentary so that he, as prime minister, can still be there for 100 -500 years govern the country, and from the point of view of this, look for who benefits, who wants to collect incriminating information on the industrious, who pushes such torpedoes as maryana without an angle on... the conflict, who wants to spread it, and actually, who uses a variety of methods, but the main method, the method of managing them, is the method of managing through the management of zelensky, who is absolutely, well, a classic textbook

narcissist, who needs to say only what he likes, but now they will say, look, volodymyr oleksandrovich 88% and 64. it's already the end, the beginning of the end, so the hard-working must do something, so we need to listen, see what he's breathing, as it were, but this is patriotic, it's so that our generals, so that we know that our generals are at the right combat post and on the right track, somewhere everything happens in such realities, yes, and from this, from this we have, well, at least i from this... push, yes, when i analyze what is happening in the up there, yes, in in kyiv, where there is an office of the president who wants to continue in power, for this he needs to make a difference zaluzhny and zelenskyi, and for this , he needs them, well, they speak with their allies in

principle, well, you won’t get anywhere anyway, you will give us weapons, and therefore i am absolutely sure that the closer the victory will be, the... greater there will be a probability that the hard-working person will be removed, thereby pushing him into politics, because they, i would say that their instinct for self-preservation is now lower than their instinct for preserving their power, well, it is clear that president zelensky himself at one time wanted to be president peace, he said that i want to end the war in donbas, and with this slogan he went to the presidential elections. then he became a war president because he simply had no other choice on february 24, 22, than to become a war president. now it is obvious that president zelensky wants to become the president of victory, and this is a completely normal phenomenon for the leader of the state, who is at war, who heads the state. mr. igor, in your opinion

, this is a misunderstanding, this weight is so political around the meritorious, how will it affect the situation in general. and in the armed forces, because of this the people who are at the front are also watching, and the western partners are watching, and obviously tomorrow or the day after tomorrow , all the leading media of the world will write about these bugs that have been found, about the fact that there are certain misunderstandings, we know that this there was a wave, now we are returning to this wave again, because there is an informational excuse, well, it has a very negative effect, today we even have publications in the west... which draw attention to this confrontation, and fresh publications, precisely through the prism our servicemen of the armed forces, that they don't like this story at all, they are disappointed, they don't understand what is happening, they feel a lack of trust and the support that they, in principle, previously counted on, and it is clear

that all this internal cataclysm and these games in politics, well, they are absolutely not necessary today, that is, by and large , you have to deal with completely different things. and not to think about any political prospects there, or to be measured by ratings, you understand, we do not know how we will get through the whole winter, winter has just begun, and what will it be like the situation there with the energy infrastructure. and so on, so it may be that after the winter the ratings of many politicians in general will leave much to be desired, but this is not a reason to start doing some, excuse me, bad things to your hypothetical opponents there, or try to knock them out them from the future of some political activity there, by the way, there is such an interesting feature here, you know, we talk a lot about some political prospects there , but you have to understand that if he now even hints at the possibility of... going to politics or engage in some political affairs, he seems to me at the start of his

hypothetical political career and immediately buries it, because in fact ukrainians now expect something completely different from him, by the way, they expect something completely different from the president of ukraine. the attitude, it has changed, the requests have changed, and this can be seen very clearly from this trust rating, and i would like to believe that, by the way, tomorrow during the press conference the president will be asked. real questions that concern ukrainians, and he will give detailed and detailed answers to them, because today, in principle , was as strange as for me or yesterday, well, today i just read the statement of mr. potalyak, who admitted in fact, well, not a failure, but major shortcomings of the government's information policy, and in principle he admitted that something with to do this, but tomorrow the president will have a great opportunity to correct it, well, let's see what exactly he will say, how exactly he will say it, if he starts talking about the generals again. who are playing politics, then we regretfully have to state that we are in a very difficult situation, since the greater

danger for us will then be not so much the external enemy as these internal disputes, which will not lead to good, they cannot be, you know, some kind of radical, but they should not be like that either, because the common fund , which is being formed, well, it clearly does not contribute to the moral stability of society in general, there are some polls that are conducted, including by individual people's deputies, they... do not contribute to the moral stability of society, especially since we have really important votes on our noses, and the same law on mobilization, it in itself, new, can become a very serious trigger, and it should be approached in unity , not divided, and when everyone is thinking about their future political career, you are right, sir igor, because people expect victory from zaluzhny and zelenskyi, and this is the most important thing, that is, success at the front and victory for ukraine, and will it be this one? victory and in what perspective the political prospects of both zuluzhny and

zelensky depend, mr. volodymyr, if you would advise zelensky in this situation, what would you they said to him, how could he explain or say that there is no conflict with zaluzhny, that there are no questions, that absolutely what we are all probably waiting for, when he says that valery fedorovich and i are one team, and we we go to victory together. no, well, i think that they are waiting for this, and i think that at some point they are waiting for the appearance of them together, a joint photo, at least. the first step was taken recently, when the minister of defense died, he appeared together with zaluzhny and syrsky, there was a joint photo showing their unity, and a statement umierova, that the issue of zaluzhny's dismissal is not being considered, it was the right step, and i think that... the next step should be, yes , maybe, i would even possibly advise

the president to hold a joint press conference with zaluzhny, why not, yes , especially in matters of mobilization, because there can be no opposition here, and, by the way, i am not a supporter of the idealization of the soviet system of military men and former military men, but we really need it, and i completely agree with igor, now in matters of mobiles. of effective mobilization, there must be unity for the new model zelenskyi and zaluzhnyi should act simultaneously during mobilizations. as for concrete actions, i think more openness is needed now. i am reading now that a publication has appeared in politika: we need a government of people's trust, a broad coalition government. by the way, i am an opponent. we need a technocratic government, not a political one. because if there are politicians there, by the way, you know who has the most. high ratings of mistrust among the parliamentary leaders of the opposition, all of them, yes,

boyko and yulia tymoshenko are in the first places, petro oleksich is a little behind, but also more than 70% of mistrust, therefore, it will not give anything such a broad coalition of trust, cooperation with civil society, greater openness, removal of toxic figures from power. this is important, yes, and definitely a demonstration of joint work both with zaluzhn and from the cabinet of ministers, there, by the way, there is a whole series of serious powerful figures. who actively worked for the european integration of ukraine, in particular. thank you, mr. volodymyr, gentlemen, we have to go for a little commercial, we'll be back in the studio in a minute. joint problems restrict movement, it unpleasant and painful. strengthen them with the help

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mobilization system is fair, call 0800 211 381, if not - 0800-211 382 , ​​all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. ihor reiterovych, volodymyr fisenko and viktor boberenko are in our studio today. we also talk about the situation surrounding the bugs that were found under the table in the office where valery zaluzhnyi was supposed to work as the head of the armed forces of ukraine, but we will also talk very briefly and... about our movement towards of the european union and the movement of the european union towards ukraine, because today the 12th package of sanctions of the european union was finally adopted, austria was against it. 14-15 , when the summit of the leaders of the european union took place, and after that, ukraine itself took

raifizen bank, a bank owned by austrian investors, from the list of enterprises against which there were sanctions, after that this is the 12th package of sanctions against it was decided in russia what kind of package it is, the restrictions that provide for the ban. on the import of russian diamonds, the transit of goods through russia federation and export of components that can contribute to the technological improvement of the defense of the russian federation. mr. igor, we see how the european union technically, in fact, made a decision to start negotiations with ukraine. orban technically played along in this situation as the leader of the european union, and it was understandable. there is complete hysteria in russia, what happened to... orban, why was he bought, or what happened to him there, why did he leave when it was being voted on. how do you assess our current start of the negotiation

process, taking into account what we will need hold talks with the leaders, or with the countries, with 20-7 countries of the european union. well, in any case, it will be a long enough process, we have to understand that, and now, except for this purely political part that will begin. in march, when we will complete some more reforms, in particular, we will adopt the law on lobbying and advocacy, which will now be considered by the verkhovna rada, a document will be formed, according to which we will start the process of this integration, we will have to create, as it was once in poland, that is, take, for example, the experience of poland or something another country that has integrated into the european union, a very large, very powerful group of professional negotiators, lobbyists, so to speak, of ukraine, who will communicate with individual countries. to communicate in parallel with the ukrainian ministries and departments , to do everything so that we can have sufficient arguments for each

individual country, so that this country does not directly oppose the european integration of ukraine, because you understand, this phrase of orban about 75 opportunities to block european integration of ukraine, it has a certain certain basis in itself, that is, really hungary, as they will be. what other country can do this, they can find opportunities to block our further european integration aspirations, so we need to work very actively here and understand that this is a very slow, very bureaucratic, complex, but necessary business, and here it is in this case , by the way, they mentioned when we are talking about the government of technocrats or the government of national unity, these negotiators should be people who have relevant experience, we should not look at their political preferences or some kind of party... their affiliation, these should be people who have relevant connections in one or another country, who can represent ukraine very well there, so we are only at the beginning of the long journey, we will to hope that this path will not be

, you know, overshadowed to a certain extent by some of our internal disputes, and also by the adoption of important european integration decisions, which, unfortunately, were often traditionally adopted in our country, for example, not in such a format as this it was necessary, and then it came well, we had to re-vote, we can't afford that today, why? because the price of a mistake will be very high and attention to reality is very serious. thank you, mr. viktor, does this mean that the european union's decision to start negotiations with ukraine means that, in principle, the european union made it clear to putin that ukraine is a part of the european space, and not a part of the post-soviet space, which putin is counting on and which putin is counting on ... weighs its territory, to which it spreads, well, let's say yes, the influence, is it clear already and is it unequivocally clear, of course, this is a signal

to putin as well, it is also a signal to the united states somewhere, it is a signal to ukraine, yes, that ukraine is part of europe, but also this signal to myself, i i think that their elites are already beginning to realize, including... due to the fear that trump may come there and the support from the us will decrease, well , i personally think that this is not the case, but nevertheless such fears in societies of different countries are widespread, and so the european union primarily says for itself that ukraine is for his own, his establishment, let's say united for his peoples, nations, he says, ukraine is part of europe, why because... what if there is not this umbrella from the usa, in the form of nato and well, in general, such a village as the united states,

which... trump there can deviate from yes politics there, that the united states protects europe, then europe is left alone against russia, and without ukraine, as without an army that can really fight with the russian army, they are afraid, and therefore for them, i think it is if argument, argument, that is, this message went to all sides, but most of all, probably, to my own, and as for... this is communications, then yes, we have a big problem with communications, starting with the fact that we, well, people who are used to that some people go to diplomatic outings in suits, and some people walk around in jeans and sneakers, well, it’s okay, zelensky already has such an image and image there, but for everyone to come and walk in sneakers, well, i think that it starts with this, it’s like that ,

to be very very brief. in general, i think that it is necessary not to go there, yes, it is necessary to koboliv went there, lana zerkal went there too, if they don’t like poroshenko going there, but most of all i think that it is necessary that shklyar, zhadan, zabushko, kakatyuha go, that writers, poets, cultural figures go, and precisely the main thing is that vitaliy klitschko should go there by train, speak to the germans, and the most important thing is that the community leaders should go to some... we have someone from the youth committee go to a polish commune and tell them why europeans should love ukraine, and told about our cases, about everything, and only that then this shuttle diplomacy, it will be worth more than the diplomacy of diplomats, thank you, mr. volodymyr, well, there is a lot to argue about here, cultural figures are traveling, zhadan is actively working in europe, and i think that it is necessary to work, but these are not negotiations with ...

the european union. negotiations with the european union should be conducted by competent people. by the way, the office of the vice prime minister for european integration did a great job, a great job. and they continue to do this work. some professional associations already do this work, our agrarians, in particular, opened an office there. i agree with igor that yes, it is a large bureaucratic amount of work. we have a lot of conflicting interests. now we see for ourselves with the poles. both in the agricultural market and in the transport market, and there are also contradictions in the metallurgical market, there in the field of poultry farming, and in many areas, yes, we are feared as competitors, and therefore a professional approach is needed, there must be communicators, but communicators for conducting negotiations with the european union is one thing, but promotion our interests, political, communicative , that's another thing, as for vitaly krichko, he did

a bad job with his own... i know this simply from personal communication with foreign, in particular , german journalists, yes, and now these problems have to be corrected, so i believe it's just that we should speak with one voice abroad, and not argue among ourselves abroad and write complaints about each other abroad . boberenko were guests of our program today, thank you. i will remind you that during our program, gentlemen, we are conducting a poll, we are asking you about whether you think the current system of mobilization is fair, now let's look at the results of the vote that we conducted for two hours, almost two hours. yes, they consider 20% fair, 80% unfair. these are the results of our television survey. this, my friends, is the end of it. i say goodbye to you, see you tomorrow, i wish you all good

health, take care of yourself. their relatives, to goodbye, i greet you, dear viewers, i'm naeva melnyk, this is news and... and the espresso team is ready to tell you about the most important thing for this hour. two children aged three and four , together with their mother, died in a fire in chernihiv region. the fire took place in a residential building in the village of hmyryachka of the ichnian community. according to preliminary reports , rescuers managed to extinguish the fire within an hour. law enforcement officers are establishing the causes and circumstances of the fire that led to the death of people. it is known beforehand that the fire started inside.