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and also feedback, you can express your opinion on the bad day with the help of a phone survey, turn on and turn on, the verdict with serhii rudenko, every weekday from 20 to 22 on espresso. as promised, we will now talk about another one of our european, nato and pro-putin neighbors, we will... communicate with the director of the institute of central european strategy and the founder of the raopen ukraine project, dmytro tuzhansky, in contact with us, mr. dmytro, congratulations, glory to ukraine , glory to the heroes, good day, mr. dmytro, just yesterday we bent our fingers, it turned out three, three fingers, all middle that it will not be possible to block 75 ways, as the great orban of our time said, he said he will block european integration, he still has 75 ways, they showed us how to help. which should be
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50 billion euros for years, will pass despite orban's blockade, her very different and correct ways were found in europe. in a word, this is a verbal altercation, has orbán really been defeated? well, look, that 's the plan that i think was pre-agreed on, actually at the summit, and that's the way things are going to go, i'm hoping that they 'll be right on the calendar that 's been announced, yeah, that is... already in february we will have funds, money in fact, it seems to me that this issue is resolved again, and in my opinion about 50 billion, there will only be a question of how and under what conditions, yes or immediately for four years, or with some kind of confirmations, reconfirmations, the story will be more complicated, actually the negotiation story about those, as you mentioned 75 times, which viktor orbán, well, can veto or hungary can veto, but it will be more difficult there. that is, this is the first decision on
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the negotiation framework, which is planned for march, this is, as far as i am concerned , the key diplomatic battle for which we need to prepare. this is what viktor orban is preparing for, mr. dmytro, orban is so fixated on this idea of not letting ukraine into the eu first, to block any aid to ukraine, on everything so against, and against ukrainian, that he even convened a separate session of the parliament there, in my opinion, before this summit, in order to record this reluctance of hungary, that no, we will not let ukraine into the eu. it is not known why he depends so much on this, it is not known for sure, although we understand where the legs can... grow, after the summit, almost a week has passed, orban, i assume that you have returned home, have you monitored or followed the one that is now there are moods in hungary, how hungary reacted to the hopes, to orbán's reaction to his coffee trip, yes,
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he returned with such a victory that he allegedly did not allow budget funds to be spent on ukraine, he kept these funds for hungary, allegedly, but still, there is a victory on our side. that he did not participate in the voting, and accordingly allowed everyone else to vote for. well, look, viktor orbán is, uh, he's not to be underestimated, he 's such a trained politician, and for example, he, uh, after the summit, he didn't just go home, i mean, the next day, from the very morning, there around eight if i'm not i'm wrong, i already gave a long, traditional, friday radio interview, where , you know, he talked about... the fact that the summit was not at all the way we understood it in ukraine, yes, that is, viktor orbán, well, he plays, he plays long, he plays smart, and the way he controls the information space, of hungary, allowed him, not to
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avoid this defeat, but, you know, to even out any such, feeling of some discomfort, yes, therefore everything is fine in hungary, everything is under control. that's why viktor orbán actually has everything under control, that's why in fact, viktor orbán behaves so self-confidently, somewhat arrogantly, because he understands that any scenario of events, even the worst, even the most, is not exotic, but the fact that he had to go out for coffee and all that, for him in domestic politics, his ratings will not be affected, unfortunately, he continues to pump society into nu... well, it is not quite such an anti-ukrainian mood, you understand, like, as much as he can, his team, if we were to model the mood, because on the one hand, they are very much like that pro-ukrainian mood from the point of view of ukrainian
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refugee immigrants, which is paradoxical, at the same time they really pump the topic that ukraine should not be in the european union, which is also, for example, from the point of view of this national idea... of the unity of the hungarian nation is absurd, because in them is the trauma of trianon, and the answer is this vision , it is not only orbán's vision, but the vision of the nation, that overcoming the trauma of trianon must be done in such a way, perhaps now in such a way, that between the hungarians who live in hungary and the hungarians who are outside hungary after trianon, it is necessary that the border has disappeared, and this means, accordingly, integrating neighboring countries into the eu and nato, that is, you understand, this is a very serious vision, which viktor orban is currently opposing. but mr. dmytro, look, not actually having borders, because these are the internal borders of the european union, this does not prevent the orbán administration and hungary today from having various claims, including territorial claims to various neighbors, both slovaks and poles
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have felt this and croats, i.e. it seems to me that the borderlessness of the internal space of the eu will not be an answer to their oppressed trouble, you'd better tell me. actually , how did you understand it, because orban in the media in budapest and in hungary reminds me for some reason of viktor fyodorovich yanukovych in the ukrainian television space, in fact everything is cemented, everything i do is right, who didn’t understand, hannia steitsev herman explains everything to you "clarifies at 90 pm, this is how orbán's communication with hungarians looks like, but hungarians like it, i can't understand how, for example, hungarians who vote for orbán again and again. explain to themselves why it is necessary to be friends with the russians, and the tanks of the 56th year muscovites forget why in a catholic country orban defends general gundyaev of the fsb from the russian church, how do they communicate this, because orban does not comment on it in the internal political
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dialogue, but he does. yes, look, that is , well, first of all, hungary fortunately has no territorial claims to any of the countries, and i will tell you when viktor orbán... with these issues, different maps, flirts, speculates, manipulates, and generally there there were certain periods when he played a lot with this theme of trianon and, well, with these borders, so ugh. but then always gave back, that is, there are no territorial claims, even his eyes, you know, such hungarian revanchists, there, well, revanchist mood, we can talk, there by ratings, there was such a party of jobbers, now migozank, our homeland, they are somewhere under 10 % of socialists there is a request for revanchism, indeed, for territorial claims to neighboring countries, once there even a hungarian politician accused there, well, again , hungarian leaders, that you see what has happened to ukraine now... and they are oppressing hungarians there for nothing gave up territorial claims to ukraine, it used to be so absurd to me, and these
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revanchists even reproach orban sometimes: oh , you pretend to be such a right-wing nationalist and leader of the nation, but in reality you are a weakling, like, you betrayed our nation, because you don't want to be there to promote revanchism, so it must be clearly separated from that, fortunately orbán is not a revanchist, it does not look like he plans to become one... and well, this is good news, about the bad news, it is indeed, you rightly said, these comparisons with yanukovych, these are quite popular comparisons, who understands the ukrainian-hungarian context, but i'm afraid that everything is much better cemented with orban than it was with viktor fedorovych, they work much more cunningly, they do, they have such a principle in salami, they slice very thinly, and for each... specifically the target audience is sent their message, that is, for example, they understand that not everyone
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supports pro-russian politics, this discussion is present, present in the country, and for example, the last year after, well, one and a half or two years after the invasion, anti-russian sentiments were also part of this e-boxing message is separate group of the fidesz party, that is, orbán's entourage, it was headed by the president. katalin novak, they , if you read her speeches, you will see that this is just an anti-russian guide, and you think how is this possible, because she is a stave, at one time such a favorite of even viktor orbán, at the same time peter sier is there with an interval of several weeks he travels, shakes hands and so on and the like, that is, this ambivalence is one of the characteristics of viktor orban's regime in general, manipulativeness. so that it is possible to entertain tv viewers a little, they call it by the peacock dance
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, that is, when you stood in one place for a while, that is, you were anti-russian, then stood, moved to another place, became pro-russian, then moved to another place, became pro-chinese, then became pro-european, and so on and so on, so hungary is like that, it is very colorful, and we need to deal with it somehow, you know, not just to do business, we even need to negotiate with it. and again, i'm quite optimistic, i think it's possible, but it's going to be very difficult, very difficult, especially in the coming year, when for viktor orban the issue of ukrainian european integration, the topic of the eu in general, it becomes an election issue, the elections to the european parliament, and i have a premonition, a fear, that viktor orban has started an election campaign and plans to focus it, you know, precisely on anti-ukrainianism, and will encourage another to do so. our allies in the european union, that is, we have to prepare for us, there are literally 30 seconds left, and i also wanted to ask
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the duet organ of orban terdogan, my god, i already wanted to make one word out of it, whether this a couple can be friendly and exchange gifts, can pose some threat to ukraine, because the turks also began to be indignant, why are we going to hell ahead of our father, that is, to the eu, well, look, this is just a very good example, and look at how hungary works with turkey . against sweden in the context of nato, that is, when we see that orbán is exclusively anti-ukrainian or that everything is focused on ukraine, in fact, this is a pattern, such a problematic pattern, and this is a pattern not only in relation to ukraine, but sweden suffers in in the context of nato, just as we suffer there in the context of the european union, yes, and this alliance between budapest and ankara, or between personally , actually, between orbán and erdogan, it is already strong, it is not... something new, that is, it is not an acquaintance and not the first meeting, that is, this
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is an alliance that has been working for a long time, and we need to follow how these alliances develop, maybe this alliance can work for us , if we develop certain relations with mr. erdogan, there are reasons for this , and he can influence orbán in context ukrainian accession to nato. also, for example, we now, in my opinion, used the good ones quite skillfully. the quarrel between orbán and macron in the context of european integration, this duo of good, bad policeman, macron scholz, he is at the summit, look what a miracle he created, no one believed in him. thank you for the analysis and actually for the correctly placed accents, mr. dmytro, dmytro tuzhanskyi, director of the central european strategy institute and the founder of the open ukraine projector was with us, but they did it very badly, because now he is a candidate or not a candidate for the presidency of the usa, who knows him in colorado, he is not a candidate , now trump will get confused, because he called orban a friend and president of turkey, and
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now orban, erdogan, poor trump will get confused, it will be the head who will untangle it all. director of the institute of world politics viktor shlinchak, he is in touch with our studio. viktor, congratulations, glory to ukraine. i congratulate my colleagues, glory to the heroes. look, in the usa there are such strange things, like swings every day, whoever gets to reuters first, and slippers. some say everything is blocked, even if we do vote, the big package with the democrat party, on immigration policy and on the border, on mexican american, it's nothing . , but no, we have made some progress, but it may take until february to read all this information, which for us is worth the support of the armed forces and the lives of ukrainians, well, it is really
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not an easy situation here now, because we take into account... as we understand that it is necessary to take into account the domestic political situation in the united states of america, the election campaign is gaining momentum, accordingly, the confrontation between the democrats and the republicans will only deepen, and it is clear that ukraine is not a priority for the congress now, because no matter what they say , but even despite the fact that... that there is a bilateral security contract between israel and the united states of america, you see that even for israel, where actually, well, there is a military phase going on there recession, so far there is no decision on this,
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as for ukraine, the situation here is even worse and more confused, because on the one hand. the white house is really trying to demonstrate that it threw all its forces into supporting ukraine and that all commitments and all promises were implemented, on the other hand, well, such a blockade of the congress, it does not look too optimistic for us yet , it can be, by the way, no, now they are even talking about the month of march, that is, all these processes can be delayed. well, for many, many weeks, eh can be voted on at one fine moment, again, it depends on the internal american conjuncture that we are currently observing, taking into account the position of the judges on trump. do you think this story is about trump and the supreme court of colorado, where we are still waiting for an appeal, which
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most likely will be, or could have real consequences. that trump will not be able to claim a seat in the white house? my sources, who i talked to back there a few months ago, said that one of the scenarios, the democrats would just be therefore, in order to prevent trump from running in the next election at all, trump is really gaining momentum, so far according to sociology , he shows there... a 4% advantage, but it must be understood that this sociology is not entirely relevant, since there are no direct flights to the united states of america elections where voters vote, voters vote there, and in fact, when we talk about, for example,
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previous elections, according to the quantitative indicators of the time, hilary won. clinton, nevertheless, trump became president, because the number of voters in the states, well, is significant differed, accordingly, votes are counted in a completely different way than they are used to in ukraine, so sociology of 4% still does not give trump an unequivocal advantage there in the election campaign, which will officially start only after. after the summer, well, that is, in the fall, in this case we are talking about the primaries for now, the primaries really, in the primaries trump is gaining in... in his party, uh, well, an unheard of amount of support, it is clear that he is seen as uh a strong alternative
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to the current president, but again, the laws of the united states of america now, well, and it looks like it can really stop this trump campaign, well, you said that now is the worst case scenario. russian tragedy, our trump may break down, but the russians have other options, they pushed with large forces along the entire front line, they have a bet that kimchin-in will be fired with more shells, we will sell something to the chinese, in europe we will play for a break, and it is very good that in the second half orban will come to preside over the european elections, a series of elections, in a word, how do you read it? this bravado about the war the russian-ukrainian conflict, which, according to putin, was started by the united states, and we will continue
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to pursue our goals . admit that in 23rd year russia significantly regrouped, economically, regrouped militarily, they launched new factories or opened ones, units in factories that did not work before did not function, now some military factories are working in three changes, but in the same way they have now really increased their diplomatic pressure and very actively. work, both in europe and in the united states of america, a lot is written and said about this, but the most important thing here
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is that we, understanding this russian strategy, have not yet heard what the actual ukrainian strategy is, yesterday, by the way, i very wanted to hear it during the president's press conference, we didn't hear it, no, we didn't hear it either, unfortunately, mr. viktor, but we heard what... the president of the czech republic peter pavel said, and actually the first part of his phrase that will be changes, and we expected that the following would be about something positive, it turned out not to be, that everything indicates that c will not be quite in the best sense of the word, as we imagine, the end of the quote, about what, what peter hinted at pavel? well, let's remind your viewers that peter pavel is a military man. a senior military general who has such a good experience in military operations, accordingly,
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it seems to me that we underestimated the words of the czech president, who said a year ago that ukraine has until the end of this year, that is, by the end of the 20th year, by the end of the 23rd year, there will be a truly oppositional war and... and in principle, it will be a war of attrition, and here we need to understand where we will get these resources from, so it is nothing new and didn't say, i think he went on to say that really, if the west doesn't shake things up now and get fully involved in this russian-ukrainian war, we could have some pretty... negative consequences, but there will be negative consequences mother and europe, europe has an understanding, thank you, mr. viktor, no quite optimistically, but realistically and truthfully, viktor shlinchak, chairman of the board
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