our soldiers, we support each other, and we stay with espresso, because the next program is the verdict, and this cannot be assumed. good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine. this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. in the following for two hours we talk about ukraine, the world, the war and our victory. today in the program. the ukrainian army needs half a million more people, can recruiting replace mobilization and what innovations should be expected in 2024. barack funding the us is shaky, it fighting capacity of ukraine at the front. the insidious plan of the kremlin. russia is preparing for a full-scale war with what signs indicate

this? about this and other things, during the next hour we will talk with veteran of the russian-ukrainian war yevgeny dyky and retired colonel of the british army glen grant, during the next hour, that is, in an hour, three people's deputies will be in our studio, these are fedir venislavskyi, yaroslav zheleznyak and maria ionova. however, before we get started on the... big night, let's watch a how-to video ukrainian fighters aimed hymers at a russian city and an ammunition depot in the southern direction, this video was released by the special operations forces, the equipment and ammunition of the occupiers were completely destroyed, let's see.

friends, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube, please like this video, subscribe to our page on this platform, and also take part in our vote, today we ask you this, do you support the idea cell phone? women in ukraine, yes, no, please

vote on youtube, yes, no, or write your comments under this video, if you watch us on television, pick up the phone and vote if you support the idea of ​​mobilizing women in ukraine, 0800 211 381, no, 0800-211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will summarize this vote. we have our first guest on the phone, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, former battalion commander aidar yevhen dykiy. mr. yevgeny, i congratulate you, thank you for being on the air with us today. good evening, glory ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. yevgeny, let's start our conversation with mobilization, because volodymyr zelenskyi said at the final annual press conference that the general staff and, most importantly. the commander

of the armed forces of ukraine is being asked to mobilize an additional 450,500,000 people next year. let's listen to what zelensky said and continue our conversation. the issue is very sensitive, i believe, they addressed, regarding the protection of our state and potential counter-offensive actions, regarding the deficit. and their eyes were on the bet they offered to mobilize an additional 450-500 thousand people , this is a very serious number, i said that i need more arguments to support this direction, because this is a question first of all of people, the second is a question of justice, it is... a question

of defense capability and the question of finances, mr. yevgeny, which may or may be the arguments of the commanders of the armed forces. forces of ukraine, if they give the figure of 500,00 people, because zelenskyi says that i need more arguments, which are even more, to be honest, yes, i was a little bit, let's say, frustrated by this wording because i don't understand what other arguments are missing here, there is actually a very simple one argument and that alone is decisive, just let's look at how many of our enemies, just let's look at how many... russians and they send it here, and from here on, well, everything flows automatically from here on. okay, right away i want to clarify one point that happens to people who live on pink pony planets, that we can't fight with fewer people than the russians due to technical superiority. well, no, we can't.

the fact is that in order to fight with a much smaller number than the enemy, there must be a technological difference for this, well, how... the american army and the taliban, for example, then yes, then you can use much fewer military personnel, than your enemy, but i think it's no secret for anyone that we are on the same technological level with the russians, there is something a little better in us, something a little better in them, but it's not a difference in generations, it's the same technological level, mostly technology disco of the 80s, but with separate ones elements of the 21st century in the form of some types of missiles and drones, and it is all absolutely... comparable, so, sorry, but the number of people can only be comparable, and if a smaller, smaller force than the enemy, you can still somehow hold the defense, and by the way, not always, looking at how many fewer people you have, we are now losing the audio girl, and i don’t

want to upset anyone, but with a probability of more than 90%, by the new year we will lose her for good, simply because her there is no one to protect, there just aren't enough people there, so v defense can somehow be maintained with a smaller number than your enemy, although also , i say, not absolutely, but we still have the task of defeating the enemy and throwing him out of our territory, and for this we need at least parity with the enemies, at least , and on the good side, i'm sorry, but even though at some point we have to create an advantage, we have never once been for this war. did not fight with overwhelming forces, that is why, when we simply see how many enemies are now on our territory, how many more they are mobilizing, the figure of 5,000 people, which may seem large, in fact, it seems minimal, what was announced at the press conference of the president is

the minimum need for the armed forces of ukraine, and again, if we are talking about turning the tide of the war in our favor, then we need these 500 thousand people not for the following the year is stretched out, that is, it turns out how many there are, roughly speaking, there are 50, 50,000 people per month, yes, no, it doesn’t save like that, it’s possible at least, unless we keep the defense, and if we really want to turn the tide war, then we have these half a million people needed in 3-4 months, that is, somewhere in the spring, then another 20 thousand each month to replenish losses, and then there is really something to talk about. to speak, i understand that these are very unpleasant numbers, i understand that you don't want to, but the alternative is very simple, if we don't want mobilization, we will get an occupation, it's completely our choice, that's what we consider the lesser evil in this situation , large- scale mobilization or large-scale occupation, by the way,

volodymyr zelenskyi himself says that this issue is very sensitive, well, probably sensitive from the point of view of politics, it is clear that to announce mobilization... for 500,000 people, this is an irritating issue for society, for a part of society, for people who will join the armed forces of ukraine, but you are right, there is little choice here, either mobilization or occupation, and then already and then , and then already the mobilization of the russian army, if you have already taken it out of your tongue, the example of crimea shows, well , not only that, what will happen on our territory in the event of occupation, it will not be crimea, it will be one big butch afterwards. of how we have already resisted, but the example of crimea shows that those who did not begin to defend crimea, and did not begin to defend ukraine there, well, now they have all been raked into the russian army en masse, and they are now dying in the night assaults of our ukrainian positions, therefore those who evade ukrainian service and ukrainian armies

must be prepared that later they will still have to serve only in the russian army during their attacks on the following countries, and will have to die there already absolutely stupidly. and by the way, it is the people from the occupied territories who are first of all thrown into the meat assaults, in order to further their the russians actually came with their backs. president zelenskyy evaluates this mobilization campaign. which will be in 2024, well, at least 500 thousand or 450 thousand mobilized 500 billion hryvnias, he says that we need to think about how to financially organize it, but here too we have little choice, because on the one hand, if we do not if we don't find this money , 500 billion, for this mobilization, and it will go somewhere, well, to asphalting paths, to building bridges, or i don't know, to any other expenses, then this... again will be, we will pave the roads that the occupiers will travel on, we will build

bridges that the enemy columns will travel on, but when it comes to war and money, in your opinion, why all the expenses and the entire budget in the state, it will not be balanced from the point of view that we have a big war going on, which means that the armed forces of ukraine are there, relatively speaking, 80% of all. state budget expenditures, but 20%, everyone lives on this 20%, because there is simply no other way out now, because in the future there will not be even those 500 billion. well, look, we are in 23 year made one fundamental mistake: after we all strained in the 22nd year, we really all lived through this war, not everyone picked up a weapon, but everyone did something, everyone lived through this war, everyone did something, everyone quit resource. who had it, and then we surprised the world, then we surprised both our enemies and ourselves

, then we turned the tide of this war, not only did we not let the russians win then, but we also started to win in the second half of the year, and so after kharkiv itself, after kherson in our successful offensive operations, on alas, what happened to us is what comrade stalin once called dizziness from success in his program article, but we are a little dizzy from success, and we... in this case, not the army, by the way, but a lovely ukrainian society , sincerely decided that in principle we have already turned the tide of the war, and from now on everything will simply roll to victory, that is , that the war will be won by those people who have already been recruited, that is, who wore a pixel in the 22nd, he will barely win in the 23rd it won't be a parade through moscow, well, at least through sevastopol, that's all the western allies will add a little iron, but we'll get a few leopards and that's all, but you won't get anything from us anymore. and when the army fought very hard for the whole 23rd year and actually

won a lot, although now for some reason many people do not want to see it, because we do not drink coffee in a christmas tree, but with the resources that we had, our army did the impossible, but our back office didn't do anything during this same time, and our back office actually used this false paradigm, which i regularly hear in myself on the phone when i call there, the caller is busy a... and it sounds so good voice: your caller is talking, and while he is talking, victory is closer. we really decided that we can live, build bridges, flowerbeds , lay tiles, meanwhile, victory is approaching, well, the end of the year, i hope, in this sense, it is not a time of depression for us, to be honest, for depression in us there is no reason, and if someone falls into it, then it is because of understanding the situation, but it is time to sober up a little and understand that, in fact, nothing

has been decided yet, and you just need to tense up as we strained in the 22nd, and then everything will be fine, and of course that includes mobilizing at least half a million people, i would say , and again, this is a minimum, but it also includes mobilizing finances and investing them primarily in your own production of weapons and military equipment. mr. yevgeny, according to eurostat. since the beginning of the great war, 650,000 men left ukraine for europe. today there was quite a big misunderstanding between our colleagues from the german publication bild and the minister of defense rustem umerov, because bild started to write about the fact that umerov is going to return men who went abroad and men from 20.5 to 60 years old who live in germany and other countries will have to appear at the conscription points

of the armed forces of ukraine, bild quotes literally the following: we are still discussing what should happen , if they do not appear voluntarily, then the ministry of defense of ukraine, said that the foreign forces did not submit umyerev's application like that, he told journalists about recruiting and the need to convey to ukrainians abroad how important it is for them to join the army, no discussions. recruitment mechanisms armed forces from abroad are not on the agenda, but here is a discussion about evaders, those who fled from the war, from ukraine, from... to fulfill their constitutional duty and went abroad with various truths, falsehoods, but 650,00 men left. in your opinion, how should the state behave in this situation, i.e. in what way to accuse them of something, nobody will search for them, because europe will not do this, they have not committed

a criminal offense, well, if they are not sent to interpol there . what, what, what to do with these men and why we call ourselves always to them, no, well, look, the idea of ​​mobilizing those who are currently abroad is about the same series as filling our budget with the treasures of hetman polubotka, that is, a very cool idea, which has only one flaw, it is absolutely not has no chance of implementation, the attempt to return people from abroad involuntarily is absolutely doomed, only we will try to appeal to our european partners with the fact that you give us these people, they will simply all apply for the status of political refugees there, as pacifists, and all european courts will grant them this status, that is , we will not see these people anyway, instead we will get a huge diplomatic scandal and we will get a very significant drop in support for us in

european very liberal and very pacifist societies, there are already problems with supporting our war but for now at least they are tired of what you see, they are tired, and it will continue to be so, well, many people will simply say that, my god, we are the same totalitarian state as russia, we are no different, blah blah blah blah, i.e. in we will not have the reality of conscripts, but we will hit very hard on european aid, an attempt to forcibly conscript ukrainians from abroad is a shot in the foot, but it is voluntary, well, those who wanted to come voluntarily, i personally... have a lot of such people, but one friend of mine in general, he was caught by the war at the vernadsky station in antarctica, then he got on the nearest tourist yacht and three weeks later he was already in okop near mykolaiv, but another friend of mine, a former student of mine, dropped out of doctoral studies at one of the best swedish universities universities, to which he followed for 10 years, now he is fighting near slavyansk, well, someone made such a choice,

we will not convince those who made a different choice, you can turn to them voluntarily, maybe someone will wake up somewhere, but it is not worth it to believe that it will be massive, after all, our real resource for winning this war is those men who are currently in ukraine, and thank god, there are enough of them, eh, and not only men, because they are already talking about women, people's deputy from servants of the people mariana bezugla said about the fact that the supreme council wants to put all women who can serve in the army on the military register. and at the same time, according to her , women can be mobilized to work at enterprises of the defense sector, well, as i understand it, mr. yevgeny, this is possible only under the conditions of the introduction of a military economy, and when all enterprises will be subordinated to the one goal of our victory, that is, the transfer of all the economy on the military rails and after that

the mobilization of women is possible, or what bezugula says, it... is not under me now the basis of which it is possible to talk at all. let's start with the fact that this wording is being discussed in the verkhovna rada, it is formally true, because mrs. bezugla is in the verkhovna rada. but this truth ends there. there is no such bill. even ms. maryana bezugla did not introduce such a bill. she, i'm sorry, made a statement in chatika's telegram. yes. this issue is not worked out in the committee, this issue is not worked out in the factions, that is, in reality , no one in the verkhovna rada of ukraine is working on such an initiative, and you and i are at full speed serious, as if we are discussing an alleged legislative initiative in the statement of one of the four hundred people's deputies in telegram chatik,

it is simply not serious, but if we still talk about the essence of this idea, then it is quite correct that it is in the parliament. it is not even formally discussed, because there is nothing to discuss here, we do not have any military need for the mobilization of women, that is simply not the case, but i have never heard from a single person in uniform, let us mobilize women, on the contrary, i can perfectly imagine how to hit the morale of the soldiers who are now fighting and are calm for their children, because these children are with their wives, and when necessary, they can calmly leave at any moment. abroad and even stay there, but what if they are told that now their wives will not be allowed to leave, that maybe tomorrow they will be mobilized, and with the children there, well, who has good grandparents there, and if not, then the state will take care of them. well, you can imagine the moral state of a man at the front who would suddenly be told this, and even more so, let's get back to the need,

there is no such need and never existed, we have already mobilized all able-bodied men, and there are not enough of them, and therefore there was a need to mobilize women, well , to put it mildly, the situation does not look like that, so why did ms. mariana abandon it at all, i i don't know, but in fact it's vandalism, i don't know, it's deliberate. vandalism, or is it so much a misunderstanding, i don’t know, but the fact is the fact, as a result, it is vandalism, you understand, i would never have quoted her if she had not been the deputy head of the parliamentary committee on national security and defense, and was not a member of the presidential team, because she is a member of the presidential party and sometimes articulates those thoughts, or let's say, such criticisms, which are then articulated by other members. the ruling team , so forgive me, that's why i quoted her, well, but even she herself, once again, she herself did not even introduce it as a bill, although she has such

a right, so for now we are just discussing statements in the telegram chat, mr. yevgeny, let's let's go back to one figure that came out of the mouth of president zelensky at the annual press conference, he said about 1 million drones next year to be produced. in ukraine, let's listen , let's listen to what zelenskiystva said regarding production , we will produce a million drones next year , a million, we will do, well, we will do everything to make it so, i know that it will be so, i had now the pond, and i wanted to understand, one of the key issues was the production of drones and supply, and i really don't like it when logistically we have... there are still, let's say, such a bureaucratic soviet process, when 26 00 drones were lying on one team and did not reach the front, yes

, it was very loud on the pond, yes, but there cannot be such pauses, there cannot be problems. that's right, says volodymyr zelenskyi, but he is the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine, and what he says, well, it 's actually him... he's also talking to himself, because if there are, as he says, bureaucratic soviet processes, then well two years of the great war, 10 years of war with russia, and we have some procedures, as sbu colonel roman kostenko said on my broadcast yesterday, about this bill on decommissioning of equipment, equipment there in the armed forces of ukraine, the simplification that this law is not signed by the president of ukraine, that is... why are we changing for so long, you know, to be honest, i did not expect such paternalistic

questions from you, a wise person , even in your imagination, all problems should be solved personally by the supreme commander, well, he should not ask himself questions, mr. yevgeny, if there are situations when the entire system in which they are involved is working. hundreds of people, generals, officials who have been working in a certain way for years, and the cancellation of any one document rests on the fact that there are references to it in 40 other documents, and they must be changed, if they are changed, then all at the same time, otherwise everything falls apart in general, and unfortunately , yes, this is a huge problem that cannot be solved by one person, it is a problem that must be solved at least by the entire ministry of defense together with the general staff, and today... well, compared to , again, what was before 22- th year, there is a huge advance, i.e. compared to the that was before the great war, but compared

to what we would like to see , actually, taking into account the realities of this great war, well , it has been covered somewhere else, well, i would say a third of the way, well, by the way, already under the minister of moderate, quite serious steps have been taken made, which in fact were two stages, the first time there was a simplification of admission, for example, new ones... there was the first simplification in the spring of the summer of the 22nd, and then for several years this procedure was reduced to three or four months, and finally now according to these umerov reforms , supposedly it can now be reduced to three or four weeks the procedure for adopting a new model of weapons, well, to be honest, here it is quite clear to me what is happening and i even understand why it is happening so slowly, because these are really changes. a system that existed for decades, and management personnel of various levels, starting from generals, continuing with directors,

at least of state defense plants and so on. further, they have all lived only like this for decades and have a hard time imagining how they should work differently, how they should solve tasks differently, but why am i really in this situation i don't understand, here i have a huge question for the government regarding this so-called volunteer regulation, this new regulation, which not only did not simplify, but on the contrary made it very difficult to bring in any volunteer aid, just compared to what was before december 1 . this year, this is already a mystery to me, because why they did not simplify what has been going on for decades, it can be understood, but why, on the contrary, to make a new complication now and a very significant complication, this is a completely different question, this is a question for the cabinet of ministers to this resolution, and by the way, to put it mildly, i am not the only one asking this question, but something

has been terribly difficult for the past three weeks since the resolution has been in effect. and i don’t see anything until the cancellation of this resolution, well , by the way, by the way, andriy osachuk, people’s deputy of ukraine, just wrote on his facebook page that the council has completed its meeting this year, but there were many conversations in the media, but no new draft laws on mobilization were submitted for the consideration of the hall, well, this is also a question in principle, probably because the stake of the supreme commander has not yet been passed, this is the reconciliation of these figures, but let's return to what zelensky said about 1 million drones, but in the scale of the war we are waging with russia, is this a lot or a little? this is quite a lot, it is a serious number, there are good calculations made by defense express experts, it turns out that the approximate monthly need for one infantry brigade is about a thousand drones, that is, a million drones is,

say, a thousand in our country. brigade of months, that is , roughly speaking, it is for 100 infantry brigades for 10 months, well, let's say 90 brigades a year , that's normal, if this figure is really reached, then that's normal, but with regard to the general situation with military equipment, with weapons, because we know that the congress of the united states of america has not yet passed this big package, 61 billion dollars, the pentagon announced yesterday that... that the last tranche should go to ukraine or weapons in the form of a tranche on december 30, then, frankly , it is unclear how this will affect, in your opinion , the russian-ukrainian course war as well as the situation on the front? what are you asking you you didn't hear me so? no, i can hear you perfectly all this time , i just hear someone else in the background. i heard you perfectly

, yes, look, the situation is such that after all, most likely in january, the americans will come to an agreement among themselves, eh, for now, i remain moderately optimistic that, after all, this seesaw in the us congress will end in january and at least for in the 24th year, we will retain the level of support that was in the 23rd, approximately plus or minus, but this does not mean that it will be like this forever, as a whole, because in the same 24th they may well elect trump at the end year and therefore, regardless of whether aid is stopped right now, or if it is extended for another year, in any case it is our business to become as self-sufficient as possible, we must invest in our own production of weapons and ammunition, a lot is being done in this sense, and by the way, in no case can it be reduced exclusively to drone history, drones are certainly an important weapon in this war,

they significantly change its course. but you shouldn't consider them some kind of miracle waffle that alone solves all problems. as in any weapons, drones have their own sphere of effective application and their limitations. so they occupy a certain, let's say, niche at the front, no more and no less. accordingly, drones are making fairly rapid progress, although, again, the russians are still faster. they currently produce about six times more devidrons than we do. eh, but fpv drones are still not all that is needed for this war. at the moment there is very good news from our gun manufacturers, here is sau bohdana, who at the time of the beginning of this war existed in one copy, but currently six per month are produced, six per month and an increase in production is planned, six per month may also seem like it, well, we need more, well, yes, but for example, a french company...