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welcome to the espresso channel. today in our military program we will talk about new technologies that are being developed to protect our soldiers. the first block will be about how to deal with fpv drones, which are a progressive threat on the battlefield, and now it is in ukraine that new countermeasures are being developed, which are not yet available in any army in the world. this, by the way, is confirmed by the conclusions of the military and experts from the usa and europe. what cool and

new things are being done in ukraine, we will talk about it as much as possible. and the second part program will be devoted to technologies and solutions to protect our soldiers from enemy bullets and fragments, mines and projectiles. how to make sure that our soldiers are equipped with the best bulletproof vests, what are the possibilities and limitations here. about all this in a conversation with the heads of our leading domestic enterprises. my name is serhiy zguryts. the director of the information and consulting company defense express, which, together with the espresso channel, now seeks to highlight the most relevant trends in the life of our armed forces and the defense industry of the complex and now we are joined by yaroslav kalinin, he is the director of the infozakhist nrc company, in my opinion, this is one of the most technological ukrainian research and production companies, which is currently working in the field of radio-technical intelligence, and has recently been moving. in the direction

of radio-electronic warfare, including countering unmanned systems of various purposes, mr. yaroslav, i welcome you on the air of the spresso channel, i am glad to see and hear, if you see me, good day, i see, i hear, you just returned from washington, there such an international symposium ioc 2023 is taking place, as you understand, it is such a top level for companies, government officials, enterprises. tsiv, who want their armies and their states, well, to have an advantage in the digital segment, you had a report there, which was devoted to the development and trends of the use of fpv drones in the ukrainian-russian war, and after your speech you were actually greeted with such loud applause, and i would of course first like to ask what made our american and european colleagues so interested, and... first, in more detail about the event itself,

why is it so important and why was the presence of ukrainian enterprises and companies important there? well, and about the event - it is very... such a thematic, well, the thematic event , which is primarily dedicated to radio-electronic intelligence, radio-technical intelligence, radio-electronic warfare, that is , all the companies of the world, western, first of all, which are engaged in this direction, they present their new products, tell stories and have the opportunity to communicate with end consumers from the united states, from nato countries, so... that's why this event is, well, actually such a key annual summary of the development of the industry, and then we can move on to your speech, because i think that it was not for nothing that europeans and americans welcomed your speech,

what trends in the use of fpv drones in the ukrainian-russian war did you talk about, which directions of countermeasures, here are the general things that can be... told to our viewers, well, without too much detail, which can be harmful? well, actually, i didn't open any new ones for our consumer, for the average average ukrainian things, for us fpv is something everyday, already understood, and what i actually did, i told. about the tactics of use in general about this type of weapon in general, because currently western countries, well, in my opinion, from the communication with specialized companies,

users i saw, they do not perceive it as a type of weapon at all, as something that should be addressed attention, that is, the classical doctrine still exists there. well, if it is a drone, then there must be a wingspan of at least 10 m, otherwise it is not considered a drone, and fpv are such small toys, uh, well, they're like something frivolous. i showed the scale that this technology has now acquired and i showed the progression in terms of electronic intelligence and electronic warfare, ah, especially in the context of the fact that this is actually a security challenge for the western countries, because for the ... the audience was, well, the novelty is that, in principle, it is possible to collect a tool that our enemy is becoming more and more skillful every day in terms of protection and immunity to the slave, to collect it from

ready-made goods from aliexpress or from somewhere else, and after that, this tool will be used against the critical infrastructure of the same advanced countries. and they, due to the fact that there is this lag in technology, in fact, are currently quite vulnerable to this very technology, from the context of terrorist attacks, this is what caused such a fragile interest in this topic, because many underestimated the danger, well, that is, in fact we can say that, in fact , they have not yet adapted the experience of the ukrainian-russian war to their own... and believe that this war is taking place somewhere far away and technological the trends that we have do not affect them , it’s a bit strange for me actually, but in addition to what you said about fidrons, as i understand it, you also outlined the directions of countering these types of weapons, taking into account the competences of your

company, which relate to both radio-technical intelligence and from the recent means reb, that’s what you said, what are the current trends, your company’s solutions are the most effective... and rational in the fight against these cymidrons, well, in order not to reveal our capabilities, i illuminated it is on the part of the means of rep, which are in the russian federation, and i did not spread so much about our novelties, but i showed that, in general , both the russians and we already understand more deeply. the problems of fpv and in general the suppression of communication channels of drones, which are used on unknown frequencies, on non-standard solutions, and this, well, on specific examples, gave, let's say, food for

thought for others, as representatives of the commercial industrial sector, because they do not have ready-made solutions for such... shall we say, security challenges, such a thing as a mining rap is something that exists only in us and the russians, and the western industrial companies until effectively, effectively, i repeat , did not demonstrate anything in this direction at this exhibition at least, so i showed the solutions that the russians have in general and briefly outlined the individual solutions that are created in our startups, including , which is being created in our company, and were there no proposals or wishes from representatives of the american companies after this event? companies to take advantage of your experience, your achievements, in order to start some

joint initiatives there to create already of countermeasures against semi-drones already at european or american capacities, were there such proposals or hints at such proposals? well, in fact, last week in washington, too, such a global event was held between the industries of the united states and... the industries of ukraine, and this exhibition, as a continuation of this event , allowed us to speak more objectively about the things that we started talking about, about localization, about capacity building and capacities, because we are talking about tens of thousands of devices that need to be delivered now to our army, and so that such means could be produced, there is the same problem. as with projectiles, that western production and industrial capacities are not ready for such

volumes of products, plus the price tag does not correspond to the realities of application, etc., etc., so a series of meetings was very fruitful, which, i hope, will soon be publicly illuminated, the results of which will soon be it will be possible to publicly illuminate, but one way or another , the results of the information security company in the fight against drones are already so mediocre. kono are known, first of all there were publications where they claimed that your company forced the russians to give up certain types of drones, because your countermeasures were effective enough, can you outline in general terms, the direction of the countermeasures, the approaches to the countermeasures, so as not to say too much. you who are already trying to spin me into providing

this type of information, look, there are unique developments that exist, when talking with representatives of other large companies, i understand that these developments exist only in ukraine, not only in our companies, in other ukrainian companies, their efficiency and , in general, the approach to how to solve this problem up to this point. maybe there was somewhere in some theoretical works, scientific, and not a lot of practical content, and for that, we now, if six months ago in bonn, in germany, in the west, we talked about some kind of parity of approaches, now we are talking about , that ukrainian companies, ah, maybe not so much, shall we say, mature, but they already have those... know-how and those technologies and approaches that are currently lacking in world leaders, and we

we can already actually implement our experience and approaches both from a commercial point of view and from a practical point of view on the battlefield, and that is why this is such a very sensitive topic, and disclosure here will only play into the hands of the enemy for now, well , i don't know, then the next question, can we say that the algorithms will work. approaches that work against a certain type of drones that russia no longer uses, that it can be spread, spread and to counter the lancets there, the halls there, the shaheds, are these algorithms unique, adaptive in order to, or well precisely in order to use against other models of drones that are in the russian federation? each system is unique, but the very class of problems that it began to solve. from our side, and we recently saw, we witnessed that the russians

are also trying to do it somehow, well, in a simple approach, but it was not used on the battlefield before, that is, when they said some cybernetic operations, they usually draw a picture, there some operator is sitting with a laptop, and by the look on his face it is clear that he does not understand that he forgot on the battlefield, but what if we, and we are now ... we are in ukraine, and unfortunately, the russians, have a practical application and understanding of what can be gained from this, and the approach itself shows what can be done next. to look for similar approaches, well, i am trying to describe it abstractly without going into details, but it is the battlefield and the synergy of certain disciplines, radio-electronic warfare, cyber-attack, radio-electronic intelligence, it received practical implementation precisely in our army and, unfortunately, in

the army of our enemy, you literally have... well, a month ago it was tested, probably still testing the development of pluton, which is directed at to provide our military with the ability to know where russian drones appear and what types of drones they are, and i wanted to ask whether, in theory, this direction of detection and recognition in the same complex could be supplemented with a reb element so that our military would have such a unique tool, arrived, opened, turned on the button. and the device itself determines which drones are around and suppresses them there according to certain parameters, how much is this a fantasy, how much is it possible to implement it? and we are working in this direction, we are currently working on that make the detection provided by this complex, expand the list of drones that we

can detect, the main military drones are already in this list, but we are expanding. novelties that appear on our battlefield and active work is underway on, let's say, a military component, an active component that will allow to actively set obstacles, and to target drones that are approaching, and to make a simpler and more accessible complex that will set a non-target an obstacle, and the main issue here is that we are trying to... immediately go into the scalability of production, because in order to produce at least 1000 systems per month, and the need is again 10-20 00, this is a separate challenge, and at the same time there must be quality and at the same time there must be independence from suppliers from china, for example, all these three we are trying to implement the parameters and already in

january we are expecting the presentation of our own product that will allow us to close this urgent need and start to scale and mass produce this product, you are connected with large western companies, announcements will be made in january. and can we talk about the fact that this rap will be indeed, let's say this, selective, narrowly directed, so as not to create problems for other means of communication of our subordination there, our drone, or it will really be such, well , it will differ from the decisions on the slave, which are implemented, relatively speaking, on the same chinese ... there generators, noise, noise-like generators, and of course we go to ensure electromagnetic compatibility on the battlefield, so that the reb does not become a problem for ourselves, ah, of course, we go to to concentrate as much as possible output power precisely on the target obstacle, our experience in detection and, let's say

, other operations, just comes in handy for us to form this, but since our company had no experience in radio electronic warfare until the 22nd year , we need to build certain technologies from scratch, we build from scratch, we don't have time, so we are going to have a dialogue with large western companies that have these technologies available, plus they... and there is a dialogue about transferring these technological capabilities so that we can to organize the release of this equipment here in ukraine, this is a very serious step forward uh for both our industrial market and for closing the needs that are in the military at the moment, because without it we will either have a

means that is completely unreasonably expensive or inefficient, and... and such that we cannot reproduce on our own production bases. now there is a comprehensive dialogue, it started at the initiative of the ministry of strategy and technology, and with several very large companies, i cannot announce what it is at the moment, but they have been engaged in this for a long time and professionally, and have become interested the problem, the challenge that we now have on the battlefield, and everyone is trying to offer, everyone, who can, a solution that we can , a very important condition for me was that we could produce a sufficient number here in ukraine at our own production facilities and adapt further because... rap ​​changes, fpv drone communication channels change every day, and we have to be ready to change our means of meeting challenges. that is,

in fact, i will clarify for myself, that is, the role of the state ministry of technology in this process of scaling up production is still significant, that is, you are not breaking through this wall of production expansion on your own, but there is such a triangle of interaction between your company mistratehprom and foreign partners. minstrategprom sends a rather strong signal to big business in the united states , for example, or other countries, and in accordance with this signal that it is possible to work with certain companies, that they are nearby, they support, they will facilitate this process in every way and reduce bureaucratic overlays, dialogue and started, i.e. thanks to the fact that the ministry of strategy and industry stood... presented the need, presented my readiness, a dialogue began with a number of very large companies that i

could not build relations with them, with individual companies for the last three years, for example, here i managed to break through this , let's say, wall, and i would like to, well, this really good news, because they say that there is systemic interaction and there are prospects finally for... against the background of specific projects that are extremely necessary for the armed forces, how exactly does the ministry of defense respond to this need to expand the direction of rtr, reb, or they are now such active players who really, well respond to the new opportunities that your company can provide by increasing orders and so on, well, at least it was announced last month, there was a good event organized jointly by mine. of defense and the ministry of strategic and industrial affairs, at which the vector for capacity building was announced , just like that, and to be honest, this is not the first time i see

systematicity, a sequence that can weave into systematicity, i am very cautious with modest optimism in this case, but so far it looks like this , that there is a certain systemic movement in the direction, and the ministry of defense... is trying to build, let's say, mechanisms how to realize the capabilities of each company, in order to cover the glaring needs of our armed forces internally, products from within the country, first of all, that is, to support our economy, our manufacturers, provide you and use all the available capabilities of the companies and the industrial sector to the maximum, and this is very well, let's say so... an innovative and interesting approach, we will see how it develops, well, that is, we are talking about the fact that now the ministry of defense is ready to purchase all high-quality or effective, which,

which our companies can produce, or produce serially, or in the format of experimental samples, it is about this, and yes, that is, a number of measures were taken, as for the simplification of procedures, not all of them were. well, like any activity, it is not always possible to do something without mistakes, let's see and from january 1 , a completely new procedure will be in effect, we will see, i would like to ask about one more project , which is extremely important, technological, relevant, this is me i mean the completion of work or the continuation of construction work of the hekta air base reconnaissance rtr complex, because... as i understand it, it will be able to detect everything that has radiation, and why did i mention the hekta, because now the question arises of detecting the russian c300,

c400, which, relatively speaking, are now using their missiles to attack our peaceful cities, and the question arises that it is necessary to carry out such active measures to search for and destroy russian air defense complexes, on the basis of this gk'. suitable as a unique solution, what with this project now, at what stage are we are we and now there is an internal experimental operation already from a prototype sample inside the company with limited application a-a to solve so-called practical problems, that is, we have already left the ground and, let's say, we are gaining height in this project a... as in any which experimental samples revealed the first problems, the first need for refinement, etc., but again, i

hope everyone. there will be news that will resonate pleasantly in the heart of every ukrainian regarding this project and our industry as a whole, again after all, it is connected with cooperation with large companies, that is , foreign companies will enter into this project, whether this project can already be confirmed or denied by everyone, when we can expect that, relatively speaking, hecate will begin to detect... russian air defense systems near our borders, even in the experimental version, can we say that it will be there in january, february, we can already search, destroy in other ways, the first results have already been obtained in this process, and the only thing we are saying now is not about the complete system, we are talking about a separate co about a separate device, and there must be a certain number of them in the air at the same time, ah, but already

the first, let's say, the signals were received, processed, and we continue to build up the capabilities in order to, i repeat, solve the whole chain from full situational awareness , i.e. providing, providing the coordinates of enemy ground stations in real time, and in order to be able to flexibly plan the means of destruction, mr. yaroslav, and whether the participation of powerful foreign companies, as i understand it, surely... refers to a certain of a unique elemental base and system supplies of this elemental base in order for us to be able to scale production, is this the need for the participation of our foreign partners? no, we passed this stage, it was necessary about five years ago, we learned to live without these unique components and live quite well, and in principle the flight systems

confirm this, here and ... this is about what, if we are talking about the fact that we have some developments that are already in ukraine and can be produced here, or that can be obtained more easily certain western systems, which were not supplied to ukraine before this, because they were under export restrictions, due to the fact that this system is very unique as a whole, and if you throw away... what is already in ukraine, and put the rest, well, it is possible, that is why we are talking about interesting projects, which are all announced in january, mr. yaroslav, thank you very much for the explanation, for what your company does for the state and for our armed forces, we are waiting for what will happen in january we will continue communication as soon as these announcements become more specific signs, thank you for the inclusion

, i will remind our viewers that it was yaroslav... the director of the company scientific and production center of infoprotection, which has sufficient and we see considerable experience for powerful american european companies to see in infoprotection such a reliable system partner for the creation of new samples of weapons for the needs of the armed forces of ukraine. and then we will talk about another direction of development of our defense and industrial capabilities, we will talk about protection technologies for our soldiers. how to make sure that our soldiers are equipped with the best bulletproof vests, but this is after the promotional information block. there are discounts on parasatamoldarna, it's 10% in podorozhnyk pharmacies, you and save. the traveler knows what helps. press, carols known from childhood

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