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a union of caring people. volunteer christmas. december 24 at 18:15 at espresso. kanal spresso and ukrainian pen present their own title project with myroslava barchuk. a series of conversations with ukrainian and western intellectuals who analyze and comment on the most relevant social debates. what kind of news will be analyzed guests of the project this week, and actually, who will be the guest of the studio? we will find out already this sunday. definitely. topics will be relevant, guests - special. proper names with myroslava barchuk. sunday, 17:10 at expresso. we continue the saturday political club on the espresso tv channel. thank you for being with us, and, as promised, now we will have the opportunity to talk with volodymyr ogrysk, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine. from 2007 to the 9th year

as the head of the russian research center. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine. a hero glory, i congratulate you, mrs. khrystyna. so. mr. volodymyr, we will probably start with the information that the russian federation will be ready to break diplomatic relations with the united states, if washington resolves the legal issue of the confiscation of russian assets in favor of our country. this was stated by the deputy head of the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation, serhiy ryabkov, and by putin's spokesman, piskov, and it is quite interesting, because until the united states has reached some kind of agreement regarding the allocation of the necessary financial assistance for us, they are considering other possibilities of receiving the resources we need, in particular in the monetary equivalent, and it may be precisely the confiscated frozen ones. russian assets,

i.e. before that there were reasons to sever diplomatic relations with the united states and even threats of a similar plan, well, to be honest, i don't remember when they sounded. can we conclude that money remains something fundamentally important for russia and for putin? well, you know, mrs. khrystyna, i think there is money here, not just money, but what kind of money will be used. ukraine in the fight against russia, that is, you know, this is already aerobatics, to take russian money and use it against the russian federation itself, this, you know, is a double blow, this is something that, well, you can't really withstand it politically, that's why they are now moving these are the next threats, remember this same ryabkovo, whom you quoted when he was in december 21st. of the year

shouted for them to take their manatkas and move back to the level of 1997, well piskov in this regard, as always, fulfills his function a rooster who crows about what he is told, so there is nothing particularly new here, but this surge of emotions indicates that... they seem to be in the top ten, and that is very good, because this is only the beginning , so now they have found 260 billion, from what we in the center are studying and seeing, it is about the fact that from the russian economy to the american one moved from a billion to three, sorry, from 1 trillion to 3 trillion dollars, so of course it is this cut funds, these are not

sovereign funds of the russian state, they are, in including, of course, these funds, but mainly these are so-called private funds, but ah... the really stolen funds of russian billionaires in russia itself are hidden in america, but besides that, if this were to happen, it would be so colossal a blow to russia's reputation, that they are now starting to talk about breaking diplomatic relations, but this is another blackmail, to which i would advise our western partners to absolutely... not react, uh, mr. volodymyr, new york times with reference to two former russian high-ranking officials who are close to the kremlin, and also on american officials and international officials, they note that

despite the fact that putin in every way publicly signals the strength and readiness to continue fighting on the part of the russian federation, he is still looking for opportunities to somehow... freeze the situation on the fronts, he does not ready to concede what has already been achieved by the russian army in our country, but ready to talk about the prospects of not moving further, in general, satisfied with the achievements as of now. he can send such signals as early as september of this year. something like that, by the way took place in 2022, after the successes of the defense forces, precisely in the northeast of the liberation of kharkiv oblast. could putin really be interested now in stopping the hot phase of the war, in freezing it, one might say, and if so, why? well, this is the only way for him now to break out of this tsutzwang, where he has driven himself. see what will actually happen

in the near future. in january, ukraine will receive the help it needs from the americans. 60 billion dollars amount. this amount is not for nothing, it is an amount for our ukrainians needs in the military sphere, in the coming weeks we will receive american f16 planes , there will not be quite 18 of them, there will be much more of them, and this means that on the battlefield, especially in critical points, there will be a change in favor of ukraine, we have now discussed ... the prospects of confiscating 200, at least 60-260 million dollars of frozen us assets, add to this european assets and add european aid here, plus we

are negotiating with our western partners and we are also directly starting to produce the weapons we need. and ammunition , that is, if you look at all these factors and reduce them to a heap, then only this external aspect tells putin that the situation for him will only get worse and worse, well , now let's look at the internal, intra-russian aspect, well, it has already become a meme the topic about eggs, and this is only the beginning, what we will see in... in the near future suggests that prices will begin to rise, this is already russian propaganda, well, i am forced to say even officially, already from january , a surge in prices from 5 to 20% for

food products is expected, which means that this will enter every russian family, it means that internal protests, dissatisfaction will begin, i am not saying about the fact that... these chmobiks or mobiks, who are sent to hell by the thousands, by our army, our heroic defense forces, ultimately have the same effect on the internal political situation in russia, if we consider it as a system, then we see that putin's situation will not improve with each new month. and worsen, so there is nothing new in the fact that he wants to freeze this conflict in order to calm down the situation inside, prepare for a new attack and , after any period that is profitable for him, restore everything that he wants, so

he he can want, he can send some signals there through someone or directly, but this is his... he can have his wishes, these little things of his, he can get them, keep them close to him and that's all, because no one in the civilized world with... i won't really talk to him, i have to attention from unconscious politicians, well, except for those like, say, orban, so let him draw conclusions from this, there can only be one conclusion: get out of ukraine, pay a contribution, extradite her to war criminals, otherwise he will be waiting, that's obvious, well, for now we see intensification and initiative. in the hands of the enemy in many directions, on the fronts, we see the transfer of the rails

of the economy of the russian federation, specifically for the provision of the army, and precisely for the provision of the army, putin agreed to finance it to record levels since the time of the soviet union indicators in fact, it looks very strange in such a situation, the information that he is allegedly looking for opportunities to freeze, probably, really, solely for the purpose of... taking some kind of pause and continuing the offensive when it will be a bit more convenient for him, mr. volodymyr, i'm sorry, but oh well look, yes, he can now transfer his entire economy to a military regime, but , well, let's not forget the example of the soviet union, what happened when the soviet union began to produce meatballs instead of meatballs and something to feed the population. only missiles and tanks, he collapsed, well, putin

is actually at the age that would allow him, if he was conscious, of course, in his 30s, to understand what is happening, it seems that he does not understands, or thinks that he will be able to change the course of history, but it will not work, and the fact that the russian economy is becoming, well, in fact... limping on four legs, it is already obvious, the very savior of the russian economy, the head of the central bank nabiulina says: "dear russians, get ready for some rather tough times, and it seems already on the air, it becomes an official norm, that is , you can talk about anything, you can draw any castles in the sand, but if there is no reason for this. economic substrate, then you will not go far on this, well, we

continue to monitor the pre-election storm or so far a premonition of a storm in the states of the united states, and we understand that from the political balance there, from the understanding that the united states has and in the future to maintain the civilized world and its values ​​depends. mr. volodymyr, what are the chances that that donald trump will not be able to become the republican nominee in the presidential election, given the decision of the supreme court of colorado, not the supreme court of the united states, but only one state, which actually prohibits him from running, he is now , as far as i understand and remember yatayu ta, appeals this decision, and intervenes. in such a fight with the judges, accusing them of certain abuses, can we hope that

trump, well, i don't know, will probably drown in all these clashes, and the republicans will have to look for other options, other candidates in their circles, well panicino, you and i can of course speculate and talk about these topics, the only thing i dream about is that our... political leaders under no circumstances try to side with one or another political force in america , this is something that will be disastrous for us and something that we must avoid, because we already had a very unpleasant experience when there were such attempts, so what will happen to trump now depends directly on the american famida, well... everyone it is well known that she, you know, how that mite, if it gets stuck, brings

the matter to the end, and the political pressure on it , the matter, well, it is rather dubious, because, well , american, american themis is, well, at least until now, until now, as long as we analyze this situation, never did not become a tool of someone's manipulation, so there is hope that by spring, march. next year, the final points in all these cases against trump will be drawn, and only then will we be able to clearly and clearly say what will actually happen. if the supreme court of the united states agrees with the supreme court's opinion

or another state. well, in this case , colorado, which banned it. trump to take part in the election campaign, then the full stop will already be put on this, if this does not happen, then we have to wait for march of next year, when the verdict will finally be issued on the events of january 6, when trump is accused, well, of very serious ones articles of violation of american law, ugh. then we will finally be able to say what awaits trump and whether the republicans will urgently want to find a replacement for him, and she there are quite a lot of candidates in the republican party, but again, this is only the decision of the republicans themselves, we have

to observe and work with both the democrats and the republicans here, because this is the guarantee that we will have... equality and normal relations with this most important country for us, after all, what is happening with the provision of aid to us, the administration of president joseph biden says that negotiations with the republican party on unblocking aid to ukraine are moving in the right direction, we we understand that it depends little on our position, these are really internal issues, issues of the internal policy of the united states, at the same time, the president of the united states. signs a bill on annual defense spending, and there is a record amount for the pentagon of 886 billion dollars, aid for ukraine is also indicated, that is, all preparations, as i understand it, and even alternative ways of supporting us in the united states are being prepared,

this work is happening, well, true , and because of this, you know, i am very skeptical. i relate to these the articles, clearly commissioned, that appear from time to time in the leading western mass media about the fact that everything has disappeared, that no one supports ukraine anymore, that the level of this support has decreased or something in a similar spirit, these are written by really useful idiots , who, unfortunately, have been divorced in the west more than necessary, as they say in the army according to the staff list, or... frank, frank supporters of moscow, who are sitting on some kind of financial support, i do not think that we should do any catastrophic forecasts regarding this support 300 million is a standard amount that the americans have been allocating to us

for many years, and it actually does not say anything, it is not even... a drop, but there is a particle of a drop in the sea of ​​the help that we receive, well if just compare 300 million and 60 billion, even this already speaks for itself, in addition, there are a lot of tools that help us in this area, so i think that even after coming to power in the event of such a development, trump is unlikely to be able to do anything fundamentally change. for this is not his position, not his personally, this is the position of his political power, yes, he is also the leader, but he will not be able to oppose the joint position of sober-minded republicans and democrats , who have an overwhelming majority, and who even then, in the first coming of trump, showed that

there are countermeasures, and if trump goes too far... then he is put on the spot, the last example, the congressional decision that without the consent of the congress, america cannot make a decision that it withdraws from nato and so on, so let's not panic, this everything is accelerated only to sow panic and reduce trust in ukraine, and i think that they will not succeed. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the professional comment, volodymyr grysko, diplomat. the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine from 2007 to the 9th year, the head of the russian research center was in touch with us. well , now i am happy to welcome serhiy danilov, deputy director of the "blyzkoshid" center. of research, mr. serhiy, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, congratulations, congratulations, well, i would like to start with you by meeting the president

the turks of recep tayyip erdoğan and hungarian prime minister viktor orbán exchanged horses, as they say, agreed on cooperation between the two countries, but immediately after that, the turkish side began to note... that it has certain questions regarding the european integration aspirations of ukraine and moldova, i have a question for you, what was this visit about in general, what was this meeting about, and could orbán really have that much influence on erdoğan? well, the visit was primarily about the economy, and secondarily about what orban and erdogan are people and politicians who are quite close to each other. one, they support each other, they see a common interest and build a common policy, this is orbán's way of showing that he has allies outside the european

union, if, after all, he cannot show putin as an ally, but as just a person, with what he is ready to say there, yes, calling on all other european politicians to do so, then erdogan is precisely as an ally, hungary enters. to a number of intergovernmental organizations in which turkey itself plays a leading role, which relate to the turkic world, mentioning that the roots of the hungarian nation are beyond the urals and they had a common fate with many other turks, and at the same time, this is erdoğan's way of finding allies in the european union, for him it is also... super important, turkey actually refused european integration, in the state in which we found ourselves now after

the decision of the european council to start negotiations, turkey has been for many decades, there is a group of countries in the european union that categorically oppose membership of turkey, and the politics of turkey itself after the 16th year are far enough away. from the commitments made in previous documents shared with the european union, although erdogan himself spent his first, even second term under the slogans of european integration, that he would bring turkish to europe, to the european union, because it corresponded to the aspirations and ideas of the majority of his voters , and now erdogan is trying to play along with orban on the one hand, yes, by expanding the opportunities for bargaining. in order to somehow influence the events taking place in the european union itself, c he doesn't have many of these tools, levers, and

his statement is not one that will be decisive or influence something, but it was important for him to show solidarity with orbán, who was left alone. ugh. well, mr. serhiy, if we talk about the development of the situation closely. in the east, there is information from zmi that israel is ready for a second pause in the battles for the exchange, hostages, for the release, first of all, of its citizens, at the same time, there are many opinions in the european union and in general in the civilized world, this it is already a traditional story that the israeli army does a little more than it should in the gas sector. and allegedly does not listen even to its own leadership, calling on people to evacuate to the south, the civilian population itself, and then striking there.

on the other hand, we understand that it was in the south of the gaza strip that was destroyed, just for example, hassan atrash, the city of rafah, yes, he was responsible for the trade, production and supply of military equipment to the militants. and lately he has also been involved in in order to transport everything needed by the terrorists, excuse me, say goodbye to the west bank of the jordan river. and when you come across such information sources, somehow you understand a little more the combat work of the israel defense forces in the southern gaza strip. what is happening now in the sector, how is this war developing and is there a chance not to... see some kind of its culmination, at least in the foreseeable future? well, this is the main question that after, yes, it already became clear there two

weeks ago that... the operation is progressing successfully for tzaal, for the israel defense forces, but the question always arises, and what is next , well, in jerusalem, well, the israeli government does not really have an answer that would meet with understanding, i think that they themselves do not fully understand, they do not know what is next, so to speak about the ground operation itself, it is moving, the clearing of... gas has ended there , the underground communications were taken under control of the government quarter, and, but we must not forget that civilians die there along with terrorists, and this is no no no no not one hundred people a day, yes, and these are all people too, and the price, which is paid for the killing of one terrorist, it is extremely high, and not taking into account this humanitarian component, in my opinion, is also wrong, especially considering the

resonances. cries out in the middle east, and as for the truce, or rather a temporary cease-fire, because in israel there is a clear division, it seems that, as far as i remember these concepts, it is about hostages, israel offers a week-long truce in exchange for the fact that hamas will release all women, children and elderly people. why weekly, and not one or two days? three-day, as at the beginning, because in the israeli general staff is no longer afraid that hamas will be able to restore its capabilities, restore control over individual units in a few days, as they feared at the beginning of the ground operation in the gas sector, so now they can offer a week, but hamas does not agree to this, and offers or demands.

. and for the completion of the operation in exchange for the release of the hostages, and this is where the intrigue continues, and throughout the second half of this week there were reports in the morning that the agreement is on the table, at lunch it will be signed, in the evening hamas refuses, or israel will change its mind, and these the swing continues, and obviously will continue for some time, to israel, i want to show israel that... that hostages are important, every israeli is important, but we will not act under the pressure of kidnappers and terrorists, and hamas has no way out, they are on their part, from their point of view, they also act more or less rationally, if we are finished, then what is the difference with or without hostages, we will take them with us to the other world, it is very

terroristic in fact. the practice of thinking, something like that, it seems to me, and er, the russian leadership declared years ago, why do we need a world without russia, right? and mr. serhii, regarding those who are close to the conflict, possibly interested parties, what is the probability that the number of participants will increase, lebanon, more precisely, the terrorist hezbollah. this army actually belongs to iran, can it, in your opinion, still sooner or later join the support of hamas and the opposition of the israel defense forces, maybe there are other terrorist organizations that are ready to help? well , now the iranians are threatening that they will make navigation in the mediterranean sea impossible, and in general the focus of attention now is not on the south of lebanon, in the red sea,

whose ocean and quite possibly in the mediterranean sea there has already been an attack on, well, an attack on the rigs, here are these israeli gas production rigs in the mediterranean sea, iraqi one group, if i am not mistaken, katayebola did not take responsibility, the israelis did not confirm this, but nevertheless , the war at sea is now in the focus of attention. bol, hezbollah and israel are in a dynamic equilibrium. and will it start? operation depends on many factors. so far, the parties are exchanging, well , such, let's say, proportional blows to each other. the iranians use hezbollah as a means of pressure on israel, in order to stop hezbollah's threat to enter a full-scale war, this...