to the top leadership of the ministry of defense that this is a path to nowhere , you must make a transition period, you must change the regulatory framework, because we purchase within the framework of the regulatory framework, you must prepare for this, well , now in december i can state that they probably heard me, and they started to be more careful about some processes, whether the new team that came will change the situation and whether there is... we will switch to some kind of system or not, well , time will tell, but for now i can state that we in dialogues, we communicate, we try to find a common language on some issues, we are all different, but the goal is probably the same, it is to make a system that will not depend on personnel, oh, let's say a few words with you about a sore topic, why... with you, because

you have taken care of it in the same way and continue to take care of it, and this is the topic we talked about in our previous meeting, the medical care of our military has changed, the commander has changed, mrs. ostashchenko has actually resigned from her position, we have a new i don't know if it's appropriate to talk about some initial results right now, all i know from ms. korchynska is that the new commander, at least... come on, kazmirchuk, anatoly petrovych, we've known since the 14th year, he was the main a doctor at the kyiv military hospital, i know him very well, we had different situations, we also quarreled, reconciled, reconciled, quarreled, and i am sorry that verba andriy vyacheslavovych did not agree to this position, this pripoltarku was the head of the medical department, he refused, but... anatolii petrovych kazmirchuk, i am yours

i want to say that even with some misunderstandings that occurred, i believe that this was a good decision, he is in touch, he, we already had a meeting, he now went to the front line to check there, there was a meeting about , first, still approve those standards for medical first aid, yes otgu. horrors, tourniquets, my god, 10 years of war, honestly, i have such a dej vie all the time, this is the first, second, to approve the evacuation stage, to approve the support hospitals, to approve the treatment, to approve the rehabilitation, i would also like to point out that there are few knows, but in 2308 the head of state sent a letter to the national security committee, where he asked to be removed from the command of the medical forces for the security function, and when there was a ministry of defense in the 15-17 years, the state procurement department carried out the procurement of medicine. then

why, i don't know, why they gave the command of the medical forces. my proposal was moderate, it concerned the fact that let's give this budget to the primos agency, what difference does it make to them what to buy, yes, that is, not that what difference does it make if they buy a million syringes, for example, for cancer patients, what is the difference, they will buy 10 million syringes for the armed forces, that is, there is no difference. but the problem here is that we need to approve the standards, that is , we have a preliminary agreement with anatoly petrovych that we will meet and approve the standards, and secondly, we will start purchasing, either arsen will do it, or the medical agency will do it, and this issue will be closed, i think that it is right and good, well , there are already some changes in the context of security, so in the context of security it is still going that was purchased earlier, but... i want

to tell you very much, and it was lying in warehouses, yes, excuse me, but i want to say that there was a very active discussion, and anatoliy petrovich goes to the meeting, says: let's create a working group, let's let's finally approve the first aid kit, which we have already approved 155 times since the 14th year, and let's live in a different way, in a different way, i see such optimism here, i see honestly, good, good, you see, so we we see well, i can't help but ask, the year was rich, i'm coming back to this thesis again and again confirmation is certain, and in connection with this, some have appeared, either fatigue has accumulated, or some kind of despair is already at play, but they say that society is beginning to dissociate, this campiness is appearing again, and the symptoms of this are increasing and more, and this applies even to the military-political leadership.

i'm sorry, russians, i don't know whether they are baking there or not, whether we can say that at all, what the national council will tell us, but the russians are playing on this, they no longer say the military and political leadership of ukraine, they already have a military wing. military leadership and political, and this is purely their narrative, and we really shouldn't allow it to be like that. is this conflict that everyone talks about so much, is it genuine, or is it more inspired after all? well, i think that there is no smoke without fire, it seems to me that this is the first, the second, i have probably been talking about only one thing for about two months, that i would like many, that i would really like to... military political the management gave us a sign, yes, which, it doesn't matter, a photo, a video, a joint statement, gave us a sign that they have everything good and that they have complete understanding, and as a citizen of the country it worries me, i would like

to understand that we are going in the same direction, what i miss, i really miss the unity that existed in the first months of the war, when everyone understood that... there are universal human values, the value of life , yours, your child's, parents, and such, people, in general, animals, yes, that is, the value of life, now, well, i don't know about you, i'm already watching political games , i observe some kind of redeployment, everyone is already starting there, something for themselves, some, let's say, some positions occupy, in relation to fatigue, krystyna, everyone is tired. everyone is tired, let's say so, not only tired, exhausted, and our children, and we, and we no longer react to a lot of what we reacted to in the first days, it's hard, it's difficult, i think that we will have a lot many

problems after the end of the war, but you still have to live until it ends, exhausted, exhausted, probably a tired person can do more... than a person who is full of strength, there is also such a thing, and for myself i just, well, gave some my promise to myself is that i try not to to condemn, i am trying to really understand the position, maybe it is not the same as mine, but to understand, the only thing that is unacceptable, i simply cannot come to terms with what i will fight for, and the military leadership of our country, including the political one, knows about this corrupt actions during the war. let's be honest, the budget of the ministry of defense is now the budget of our state. those who do not believe, can open the budget of the 24th year and look at the expenditures for the ministry of defense. what i will never take lightly is corruption in

the rear when people give their lives, because we would like to remind our leaders who are involved in some corruption scandals that this... historical fact, when they buried alexander the great, who during his age conquered the whole world at that time in his will was that his graves should be buried in a coffin with open hands, so that it could be seen that a man who conquered the whole world goes to the next world empty-handed, and that is why he asked for justice in the rear, he is now very high, and here on this i won't close my eyes for everything else there... understanding, not professionalism, if people learn, well, okay, okay, but if i will see that it starts again, sorry, to whom the war and to whom, 20, 50, 100%, yes, i will not turn a blind eye to this, attempts to compromise the military

, what to do with it, i am not talking now about our leadership, specifically the military plane, i am talking about a trend that may... may have already arisen in society in general and maybe even look at it, it's not only the military, it's also volunteers, yes, it's the same the trend, yes, the trend of the circles that touch are related to the war, yes, the narratives are like that , they are one and the same, by the way, recently i even wrote a post that no, well, don't look at it as a game with your consciousness, they are just conducting an experiment. cops, if you hear that narrative once , twice, you say, this, this is all wrong, and then at some point you realize that what you've been told is in your head, you won't even understand it, but it will lie in your head, and let's say this, yes, i see some kind of demonization in general, and there the armed forces and

let's put it this way, the military, let the military fight, yes, but we have our own here and there... the godfather here has his godfathers, we have our own affairs here, well, i would like to remind our political leadership that if the military leadership did not pull our country out, which western partners gave 2-3 days. and they did not drag it out until today, when you and i are sitting in calm kyiv more or less, and we can conduct broadcasts, then the political leadership would not be able to do anything now, yes, but it was dragged out by the entire military leadership, so what do i think here, here misunderstandings, i really want to believe that these are just some situational misunderstandings, but you say that some kind of sign would be enough for you, well, defense minister umyerov recently answered... journalists, said that we are even

joking with the head, who are you this time is going to be fired or something like that , well, he said that horses can actually be changed at the crossing, if there is some insanely urgent need for it, but now it is not discussed at all, and ms. christina, i am very glad that he said that , this is good, then we stand on this, we stand on this, but carefully follow the hands. absolutely correct, and you already mentioned the volunteers, at the end of the year many of the people who are engaged in this activity actually gave up and said that those circles of hell that invented it for them with additional, let's say, procedures that also apply to the border , and activities in general, simply reflect not that desire, because for these people it is no longer a desire, it is just... a way of life to live, to help the army, and to help those who

suffer from war, but they, they really do not know , how to get out of these complications, which were created, this is basically how their vote looks now, the volunteer vote , well, let's say, firstly, there is a problem, uh, secondly, they have been trying to count volunteers since the 14th year, i've already been through it, that no vlas, no power i didn't manage to... calculate and drive into some conditions, if you remember, when the president changed, we had a general commissioner for volunteer affairs, i only saw them there two weeks ago for the first time, i take all these things very seriously well, with some irony, because i say that i have been seeing how for 10 years they try to count the volunteers, but it doesn't work, volunteering is a very anarchic movement , in fact, because volunteering is passion and... passion in general, let's say it like this, to somehow line up, count, say who will do what, it's

very difficult, i have repeatedly ordered bigger things than volunteer ones, i have not seen anywhere, and this is the first, this is this is already the second, now the third, i would like to address those volunteers who lowered their hands, my camera is here, yes, dear volunteers who, let's say joined our movement, two. during a full-scale invasion, believe me, there are many of us, and with such actions, it was already done more than once, and to give up, let 's draw an analogy, in relation to the military: in that year, in december, it seems to me months, if not, correct me, khrystyna, was adopted a law on increasing responsibility during the surrender of positions by our military in connection with the fact that our military. not always secured as they should have been secured, of course they leave the positions, it is understandable,

when avtb tanks and kalashnikov assault rifles come at you, it's not war, it's a shooting range. well, i haven't seen anyone who would give up on the military side, so i have a wish for everyone: please sleep, eat, watch tv, one day, you can't do it anymore, get up and start doing work. all the questions that the cabinet of ministers has asked us now , i think that in a month or two we will return again to the movement that was, anarchic, common sense, absolutely, okay, but here, kristina, it must be noted, there is a very fine line, uh, if you ask me if it is necessary to keep bookkeeping, of course it is necessary, yes, if you ask me if it was necessary to register volunteer cards, well, of course it is necessary, there is ukrainian legislation, if you receive income, you have to pay 19, 5% if the wine... you say: yes, you keep an accounting department, i have had an accounting department since i was 14 years old, well, as a person who has led the country in business for 20 years,

i know that you can’t gamble with a chest, that’s all need to be done, but the system proposed to us by the ministry of social affairs, i said, if you show me how it is do it, maybe repeat it on camera, i 'll do it for you, well, until someone dares to show me how to do it, so i'm not going to give up, i think they 'll give up. we, we hope for some kind of rationalization of what we are leaning on now, and this does not only apply to volunteering, in general, the end of the 23rd year. meant, uh, certain such tensions, yes, we have a history of instability and not understanding what will happen to our funding, particularly for our war from our most powerful partners, we have a huge the number of problems on the border with our neighbors who do not miss what we need now for the war or for the elimination

of the consequences of the war, in particular, and also volunteers, if they also say that their work is very much in... and we are now at such a point sine wave, probably somewhere lower, and we only hope that there will be an evil. you know, kristina, i can tell you that when i go to poets now, i generally tell probably only one, maybe 3% of what i know, because what it is to understand, over which abyss we are, i... i know we we are over the precipice in a global sense , you have, if they don't give us funding, then we won't drag out the war, if ours, you, you understand, we were already clearly given a road map in september and told that guys, we you we will finance if you

do the first, fifth, seventh, tenth, yes, relatively speaking, but have you fulfilled it? this, well, in my opinion, no, will it not be about military gains now, there was, there was pure corruption, and especially the ministry of defense, in general, it was brought out very clearly and the demands were very specific, does our leadership realize that for a year and a half we have been completely, excuse me, pulled, yes, and we have had direct infusions without precedent since the vietnam war. every month from the united states of america, you know , it's relaxing, you think it's going to be like this forever, i've always said that we need to raise our economy, and raise it just right, we're in such a very interesting historical situation, i want recall the whole analogy of the great depression in america in the 39th the 29th-39th year that you led brought

america out of the great depression, the beginning of the second one. world war, we have a unique opportunity now, i am very happy that our military-industrial complex is developing at just some superhuman pace, because, for example, if i had been told on february 24, 22 that i would be participating in the creation of an army of drones, yes, is this for everyone, this is already a clear story, when i bought them in october 22, few people know about it yet, and when we move on to yes... such conduct of non-contact combat, plus we will learn launch drones, we'll master slaves, we'll start making artillery, we'll start making cartridges, listen, yes, we can then become such an exporter of high-tech goods with added value that we will pull out the whole economy on our own, but at this moment

there is no stage to go out my friend girlfriend allasalayeva, we are not touching the first girlfriend today. ala basilaeva's second girlfriend, who goes around the enterprises of the military-industrial complex and says that the profit of state-owned enterprises, yes, for a second, of the military-industrial complex is equal to losses to the state, if this continues, well, then we will not achieve anything, because as for the first manufacturer of fire engines, this is a large engineering company, economists and financiers know how much investment needs to be made, how many jobs need to be created . the equipment must be installed, how must the enterprise be deployed in such a way as to assemble a fire engine, yes, on the territory of ukraine. now we understand how the first criminal case was opened, before i pushed the resolution through the verkhovna rada, so they are haunted to this day. i have a meeting, let's say, with my girlfriend, i have

, there today, i'm going now, and it seems to me that i still need to listen to... common sense and get out of this situation, well, sorry, listen, i'm probably already talking about it , well, it’s not certain that it was possible to give birth to a child already in seven months, and if this continues, then when they tell me, what do you think, after the war, investments will go here, with this attitude, no, they won’t, because i’m sorry, to spit on the constitution of ukraine, where it is written that any entrepreneurial activity is created with a purpose making a profit and proving that a... but basel is higher than the constitution of ukraine, well , i'm sorry, i'm not ready to fight with it, and whatever you want to point out, this, this fir, this, this is a big enterprise, which... about which we talked about which, which we have now opened criminal proceedings, and i had a direct chat with its owner, and on 1+1, by the way, i don’t know how we were allowed there with such

a topic, but the person on the chat said, i wanted to open a second production on the territory of ukraine, i went to poland, i decided to open it there, well, that is, everyone understand that it is taxes, jobs, power, gdp and everything else, it is not related to security, absolutely. no, he said that , well, listen, well, people were stopped, the enterprise was stopped in general, the dbr is sitting there, but does this mean that we still haven’t decided, so at the end of the year, we finally got an understanding that our negotiations about joining the european union with the european union, yes, but we have not yet decided internally, we are still a soviet, well, maybe in the extreme case a post-soviet country, or are we a country with developed market. i simply cannot imagine that such a situation as with the state audit service took place in the west, well, i simply cannot imagine,

that is, there is the rule of law, there is the right to property, that is what is supported there always and by everyone, that is, you know this, a constant, even under wartime, of course, and for now, listen, kristina, if, let's say, according to the law, the war does not replace the law, if it decides. the nsdc decided that the entire economy of the country would be transferred to military lines, that the 1% company would arrive, ugh, period, yes, without question, you transferred the country to military rivers, no, you have a valid 363 resolution, where it is written 1% services, 30% production and 3% imports, it is about weapons, it is valid, what are we talking about, well... the actual transfer of the country to the military reiki , i would like it to happen, in the minds, in the heads in the larger mi, in the mentality, because you rightly pointed out,

now it is not about a sprint, now it is about a marathon, we are forced to learn to live in conditions of war , none of us has experience of living in war conditions, working in war conditions, to raise children in conditions of war, to give birth to them. in the conditions of the war, we are all, let's say, already psychologically premeditated, and in this context, i am ready to forgive a lot of things to many, honestly, because i understand what the received psychological injuries are, and you know, i would like to emphasize very this is my observation, people who were involved in the war process of the 14th year, they now tolerate it much easier, because for them it is already good. stage, the people who got involved, i have no complaints against anyone, yes, the people for whom the war has become relevant, only there, at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, they are now

going through what i went through there in the 16th year, i just want to hug there and say that it will not always be like this, you will get better someday, so i urge everyone, on the eve of the holidays, we are one country, we have nothing to divide, democratic elections must be held electorally. elections must be held, which the whole civilized world will confirm, because if this does not happen, then we have nothing to fight for, we become, excuse me, a country, a kind of small concentration camp like the neighbor is close, and therefore i call for understanding, understanding of political forces, military forces, military-political forces, volunteers, businesses. and everyone else, we are all ukrainians, we all have to be united, we all have to understand that the enemy is behind the railing, and what i would like

to emphasize, we, as adults, you and i have done for ourselves, let's say this, such decisions were made that we remain a country, yes, and for myself i set the main goal, which is a way out for children. raise children in such a way as to break their psyche the least, so i urge you every mother, think first of all, like in an airplane, put a mask on yourself first, stabilize yourself, and then on the children, and everything will be fine with us, for sure, i learned, everything will be fine, thank you dana, dana yarova, volunteer , a member of the public anti-corruption council under the ministry of defense, a member of the collegial body of stylistic support of the ministry of defense and a person. which also deals with the needs of our ukrainian children, the dream of the children of ukraine, the public association is doing an extremely important thing, thank you dana for this conversation, thank you to all our viewers and

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