before lukashenka in relation to belarus, you know, i think that we should not cross out the future of belarusians, due to the fact that, unfortunately, they have been under the yoke of their kolkhoz, so -called president for so many years. belarusians, europeans, belarusians, european people with european traditions and culture. they will definitely return to europe after the collapse of muscovy in its current form, so to break relations with the belarusians, with the belarusian people, well, it would be completely unfair and wrong, we probably the closest to belarusians are the people who are on this earth, ethnically, geographically, historically, because we are... both slavic peoples, close

peoples, friendly peoples, peaceful peoples, so there is an understanding here that we must all- to think about the future of this country and our closest neighbor, regarding diplomatic relations, here i completely agree with you, it's not about the people, it's about the government, and i said this a long, long time ago, and to be honest, i still can't understand what do we lose from the fact that we break these relations, because them there really isn't. well, the very concept of diplomatic relations implies that countries agree to develop friendly relations in various spheres, political, economic, humanitarian, cultural, sports, whatever. well, we have. there are no

friendly relations with belarus in any field, so your question is absolutely legitimate, frankly, i don't know, and i can't give myself an explanation why we should formally maintain these relations, which actually do not exist. thank you, mr. volodymyr. i will remind our viewers that we are working immediately on multiple platforms. on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please like this video so it can trend on those platforms, and take part in our survey. today we ask you about the following: do you support the strengthening of mobilization in ukraine? yes, no, if you are sitting in front of the tv, please pick up your smartphone and vote if you support increased mobilization in ukraine 0800 211. 381

no, call 0800 211 382, ​​all calls are free for you, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. mr. volodymyr, at the end of this year jens stoltenberg, the secretary general of nato, announced that russia will no longer achieve the goals of its invasion of ukraine. the secretary general of the north atlantic alliance noted that russian president putin has lost ukraine back. even with great military efforts , russia will not be able to achieve its goals in ukraine, and after two years of war, ukraine is closer to nato and the eu than ever before. the year 2023 was quite difficult for ukraine, because we sought to receive an invitation to join the north atlantic alliance. in july , the summit of the north atlantic alliance was held in vilnius, we were told that the future sees us. in nato, but we did not

receive an invitation, in december we received approval from the leaders of the european union, that we can start negotiations with the member countries of the european union, how do you assess the foreign policy successes of the year 2023, could we get much more than we have? i am mr. serhiy, i will start with this quote that is on your screen right now, and it is true, russia will no longer achieve the goals it dreamed of, it will never defeat ukraine, and this is an obvious fact, the only thing i would like significantly it is more that mr. stoltenberg or other european and american politicians formulate this opinion a little differently. that

ukraine must achieve the goals that it has set for itself, and these are the goals that you and i just talked about, when the russian troops will be... thrown out, knocked out of the ukrainian land, when they compensate us for the damages caused to us, when russia will be punished, punished and specifically for those who committed crimes, and in general, when it will be really demilitarized, demilitarized, and , god forbid, transformed into... completely different structures that are formed on its territory, i think that a change, so to speak, of such rhetoric, it would help our western partners to quickly come to the conclusion that it is necessary to change both the forms of aid and the forms

of protection of ukraine, and here i approach your question about about nato, yes, unfortunately, in we did not get what we wanted in vilnius. perhaps our expectations were somewhat exaggerated, but our desire to have stable and guaranteed security is not exaggerated. yes, we cannot join nato during the war, that is obvious, but we can get the tools that we will use to make the russian enemy understand that one more... step against ukraine, or rather that every next step against ukraine will cost him more and more, but with this, i think we should go to the washington summit and make sure that we start at least that

the very procedure that we have now along the lines of the european union, the beginning of negotiations, it is not guaranteed that these negotiations will start tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, it is a very difficult process, it is something that needs to be passed and it will not be easy to pass, taking into account many factors both on the battlefield and off the battlefield, see how much hungary is blocking sweden's entry into nato, without regard to the fact that they have nothing in common. touch is neither positive nor negative and so on, so this topic will remain, it seems to me, very relevant and main on the agenda our foreign policy. if we talk about the results of the 23rd year, it seems to me that they

are more than positive in the sense that the decision to start the negotiation process with the european union. it's not about technical details, it's not about the fact that we need to adapt several thousand documents there to european standards, it's not about the fact that we need to close 30 or more relevant stills there for admission, it's about a political decision, it's about the decision that the west finally included ukraine in its political space, what is it means that there will be no more... talks about ukraine, in russia, between russia and ukraine, in the gray zone, or in some other zone, no, ukraine, and this is a political decision that is fundamental, it is already in our heads western partners are part of their

space, and i think the significance of this decision is really hard to overestimate, it is something that will guarantee us one hundred percent, and at the same time... in the near term, joining both alliances, yes, of course, it will not be a gift, yes, of course, we have to pay for it, we will pay again and pay dearly, that's why that these are not easy processes, but this is a guaranteed ticket to the european union and, and, and i think, in the near future also to nato, and these are fundamental things that happened right now in the 23rd year, so if we talk about exactly such... strategic the results, in my opinion, they are more than positive. well, and this, mr. volodymyr, is the answer to the question that was articulated, or to the problems that putin himself articulated during the munich security conference in 2007, his famous

munich speech, when he spoke about the fact that russia has never will put up with the fact that it is not one of the poles of world politics and reproaches the west. the east and reproached his european partners for the fact that they somehow do not treat russia that way, one way or another, but in the 23rd year he became a hand when... putin received this answer, that is, after 16 years, why the west reacted for so long to what putin tried to say and do later, because in the seventh year, well , this is how our european partners treated this speech, shrugging their shoulders, in the 23rd year, the european union and nato gave a clear to make putin understand that europe and the space surrounding russia will not be as putin imagines. this is absolutely, you see

, and here the examples of the two northern countries of finland and sweden are just illustrative, i had a lot of conversations with finnish colleagues before, and when asked if they were thinking about joining nato, i heard the same thing, yes , no, well in our society , the idea of ​​neutrality has taken root so much, we have become so accustomed to it, it suits us, we don't need anything else, that actually the topic of the introduction to in general, nato was really not so relevant, if not so speculative, and now we see what happened, and by the way, look at how interestingly moscow reacted to it, that is, there was no... well , something that well, it would suddenly turn

the political system of russia upside down, well , let's not forget, from the finnish border to saint petersburg, it's something like 60 or 70 km, that is, it 's not even minutes of approach, it's seconds of approach, and at the same time, no tragedy happened, yes putin said that he will form a leningrad military there the district, well, this is... in order to tell his wards that he is powerful, he still has the strength for some district there, although he does not have the reserves to replenish the thousands killed in one day in the war against ukraine, so this is from the category of fakes, and look how different the topic of ukraine's potential membership in nato is so far, no, under no circumstances, nothing... that we will not allow, because it is a threat to the security

of russia, well, absolutely delusional , it's not really a threat to russia's security, it's a threat to of the ideological existence of russia, russia, which pulls on itself what does not belong to it, our history, our culture, our traditions and so on and so forth, is its own pruning, or rather, cutting off its historical... roots, on which they encroach and which they want to prove to the whole world that they are theirs, and here is the most important problem for putin, he is afraid of losing what they have already stolen, and what they have been projecting and projecting for many centuries to the west about their exclusivity, about his majesty, about their cultural traditions, about their slavicness and so on. that's why there is such a ... terrible and maddened opposition to the very idea of ​​ukraine joining nato, because it means

that it will be finished, but i agree with you, mr. serhiy, no matter what he does there, and no matter what tantrums he has there tortured, it's all just a matter of time, we will defeat putin, we will defeat his fascist regime, and believe me, it won't be a few months before the situation changes, we will be... we will be in the european union, we will also be in nato, without that shout now or someday they will shout in this not to the empire. mr. volodymyr, let 's go back to what is happening in the united states of america, it is clear that there are two main candidates, probably two, maybe a little more, will have the opportunity to run for president of the united states of america, the elections there will be held on november 5, 24 in the state of colorado, the supreme court of the state disqualified donald trump as a candidate

for the president of the united states of america and prohibited him from participating in the state primaries, because the primaries are to be held on march 5, and this may affect trump's status in the state in the general presidential election. what is this disqualification, does it mean for the course of the presidential campaign, to what extent... it should be a precedent for this case and in general this decision, because it is about trump's involvement in the events of january 6, 2021 , when a crowd of his supporters broke into... the premises of the congress, and in fact, whether this could be the reason why trump will not be allowed to the primaries in other states, and as a result he simply will not be able to run in the presidential elections. well, mr. sergey, the answer here lies in the competence of the supreme court of the united states. if he agrees with the logic

of what the court in colorado has adopted. then, in fact, you don't even have to wait for march , then, i think, in many states, such decisions will be made, which will mean that trump will really lose his chances to win, so he can be nominated by the republicans, but if, say, he were to say no in a few key states, well, that would mean that... he would lose a very serious support, because we remember the last elections, they were elections, as they say, nose to nose, that is, everything was so close that we must be very, very careful to talk about each state here and understand that each of them may be decisive, so let's

wait for the decision of the us supreme court. but this will not really be the end of the story, because there are a lot of cases against him, the cases are not even at the stage of consideration in many cases, they will be somewhere in the spring of the 24th year, and then we will see what actually what will happen if these verdicts are... negative for him, well, i don't know how americans will elect a president who has been convicted, even to such administrative fines or something like that. mr. volodymyr, you talked about the fact that it is important for ukraine to maintain equal relations with a representative

of one party, with a candidate from one party and from another, but... can trump's victory in the presidential elections of the united states of america change the policy of the united states of america towards ukraine , because we like trump's rhetoric we hear, but to what extent do the americans have these fuses, how well do they work and do not allow, relatively speaking, any candidate who wins to radically turn around their foreign policy, well, we are interested in this first of all in the context of aid to ukraine and in the context of our war against russia? well, mr. serhiy, no one has canceled the role of the individual in history, it is obvious that every political leader brings his accents, his logic, his vision of what is good and what is bad.

trump is not an exception in this respect, he is specific views on many. of an international nature, but you are very right when you say that there is everything there so that any, well, let's say as one of our ukrainian philologists said, from the self of this or that candidate, they would be restrained and it is not would harm the democratic system, well the latest example is what congress passed. about the impossibility of the us withdrawing from, let's say, nato, if even the president speaks for it without the permission of congress, this is, i think, a beautiful example of how the legislative power controls the executive branch, you can dream about leaving nato, well, dream about your health, but

as long as the representatives of the people, the same as you, do not vote for it, there will be no such decision, that is why i think that although many fear trump as, well, a person who very often makes, well, let's say, unexpected, let's say delicate, decisions, anyway, if we're talking about the american system, it will balance at the expense of the position of congress , at the expense of those the most bipartisan position, because there is no need to draw republicans are some kind of exclusively trumpists , you know. well, there are already too many radical groups, there are already adequate and at the same time the vast majority of politicians, politicians who perfectly understand that it is necessary to help ukraine, that it is necessary to defeat

russia, because otherwise russia will defeat the united states of america, so i would not would take the position, you know, of such an alarmist type that even if trump comes to power, that is the end of everything. we are without help and so on, i think not, i think that what, by the way, is still to do to elections in the usa will take place in ukraine on the battlefield, will very seriously affect the position of any president, regardless of what his surname will be. well, what is happening now in the congress of the united states of america with a vote or not to vote for aid to ukraine will also affect the battlefield. in 2024, 61 billion dollars, the us congress should still vote next year, and the european union should

also give the go-ahead for 50 billion euros of aid to ukraine, the absence of these decisions in your opinion, mr. volodymyr, both the united states of america and the european union, after all, will... fight, that is, they will do everything to ensure that this money is there, because i think that both in washington and in brussels they absolutely understand that, what does this money mean at this stage of the war, let alone in 2024, for ukraine? well, mr. serhiy, i think that the middle of january will be very positive for ukraine in this regard, i hope that the congress will also allocate this money. and the european union will find tools to quickly help ukraine, that's all they perfectly understand what and why, in addition, let's not forget that now,

thank god, talks about the confiscation of russian sovereign assets in the west have intensified, and it's not 60 billion, it's 50 billion for 4 years, and it's more 300 billion, and if it finally decides. a political decision will be made first at the level of the seven, and then it will definitely go, so to speak, and cover all civilized countries, then this is the reservoir of money that will help us very, very seriously, you know, hit the russian army with russian money, mine is higher diplomatic aerobatics, i really hope that with the joint efforts of... ukraine and the west, we will demonstrate that we can do such outstanding diplomatic things. well, this arrest is 300 billion or more than 300 billion. what will this

mean for russia and for its assets, not only those arrested in these countries, because we are talking about european countries, we are talking about the united states of america, or it will be painful and painful for the putin regime, because we see that 12 packages of sanctions from the european union, we see large sanctions against the russian federation from on the part of the united states of america, great britain, well, that is, we see how large organizations, large powers work against russia, and russia still finds opportunities to sell its oil and gas. anyway , it finds opportunities to exchange goods or import these goods from third countries, fourth countries, which, and solve all its issues

related to industrial production, if these assets are taken away from russia, and obviously the next logical step will be a complete embargo on the supply of energy carriers from russia, this could it in principle finish off russia or not? well, absolutely. and you know, mr. serhiy , well, i’m just following the reaction in moscow to the appearance of these conversations, that in the west they are already almost agreeing on the nationalization of these assets, and this is hysteria, hysteria, starting with nabiulina, who is considered the savior of the russian economy, under these circumstances, and she really, as economists say, i trust their, their opinion, so far more or less skilfully guided the russian economic machine along these very difficult reefs that have been instructed.

er, but she already says that we need to prepare for very unpleasant er, er, times, that is, er, she also understands that in the case of the nationalization of these assets of russia, there will be seams, that is, the russian economy will lose extremely a lot, and let's not forget that now there are positive changes in the context of sanctions, look, americans, well... they just recently introduced sanctions against oil, additional sanctions against the fact that oil for oil is not traded above these same 60 dollars, and it's about those uh, let's say there are companies that deal with gray transportation of this oil are narrowing, and let's not forget that now the americans have begun to press and er and... the topic of liquefied

gas, which russia is using and using very well so far, so you know, the economic boa constrictor , it is there, the only question is how to use it in order not to harm, well, actually the world prices for oil and gas, so that they do not jump when russia simply stops supplying the world market with its products, this would also be wrong, so this is a step-by-step ... well-thought-out logic and politics, and it seems to me that it is simple russia is giving another signal, just a little more , and it could be quite bad, so think about it, dear russians, whether you need it or , after all, you will crawl away and do so that finally this adventure for you is already more it ended less normally

, otherwise there will be a collapse, but about what... lukashenko spoke about ukraine, i think that with absolute one hundred percent confidence, we need to direct it to russia, a little more, and despite the fact that sanctions will be strengthened, holes will be patched there, where they can be bypassed, russian, russian the money will be confiscated, and the aid will be given, but then this sub-state, i think, has very, very... bad prospects, well, i think that's how it will happen. on this optimistic note, mr. volodymyr, we will end our broadcast. thank you for being with us this year and working with us on the air, see you in 2024, this was volodymyr ogryzko, politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9. friends, during our broadcast we conducted a survey, we asked you about whether you support increased mobilization in

ukraine? yes, no, so now we are looking at the results of the survey that we conducted on tv, 76% of our tv viewers said yes, 24% - no, on youtube the results are 77%, yes, 20, 3%, no, these are the results of our today's survey , friends, please do not forget to like this video, if you watch us on youtube or facebook, then this video will be trending on youtube, it will be seen by many more tv viewers, and subscribe to our social networks, we are everywhere and read our news on the espresso tv website. further in ours the press conference of valery zaluzhny, commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, about mobilization, about the situation in the army, about what to expect in 2024 on the

ukrainian front about... it will be literally in a moment. there is such a critical shortage of military personnel, as well as assault groups in general. and do you think the government is responsible for urging people to fight at this point? eh, let me answer, i'm very glad to see everyone, thanks for the invitation, it's my first press conference, by the way, i'll need it remember, thank you for the question regarding the shortage of military personnel, the number of assault groups and so on and so forth, look, i have repeatedly said and, by the way, also to your colleagues,