you make a kind of mine, a good mine with a bad game, as they say, but still you are already, well, you are not like that anymore, you are already noticed by the fact that you are not recognized, this is how he is recognized in china, he is recognized in north korea, he is recognized there several odious regimes in africa or somewhere else, but you understand this, this is already a real stigma, firstly he received gas from the criminal court, and then... this stigma will spread, well, actually all over the world, so lukashenko also flies in china, well, it flies, there or there it meets some, i'm sorry, by international scumbags , they meet, but who from the civilian , civilized world will give him a hand, and no one, that is, it's already obvious, and there's also an internal russian moment here, it's a signal to him, to the environment, although, no matter how we

say it, it servile, it's true, it depends on him one hundred percent, but when the end of this isolation narrows, even the most frightened people don't care, well , the question arises, well, how much is possible , for how long, can it still be a time when.. .... it is necessary to begin the process of completing all this absurdity and this catastrophe that is flying towards russia, so you know, in addition to such an emotional moment, it also has, and it seems to me, a serious impact on the domestic russian political situation, on the situation around putin, which may ultimately, well to become another, additional... moment that will incline this

environment to some more specific actions. mr. volodymyr, at the end of 2023 there were a lot of publications in the world press that putin wants a transition, putin is looking for opportunities to hold such talks, of course its conditions, the world media write that kyiv is not yet ready, or kyiv has its own conditions, although we... understand that russia also has its own conditions to recognize the so-called new territorial reality and this is in 22 was announced about this new territorial reality. just a few days ago, the new york times also wrote that putin is ready for the negotiation process, representatives of the ukrainian authorities and analytical institutions say that these are commissioned texts. from the russian federation, which

appear in the international press, in order to remind that putin is not against negotiations. is a negotiation process as such possible at all, even if it will take place in different countries and with the participation of different countries, representatives of different countries, it is not just volodymyr zelenskyi sitting opposite vladimir putin, but let's say, the ukrainian delegation in geneva is sitting with delegations certain european countries. and putin is sitting there with delegations of other asian or middle eastern countries, and they are mediators in order to to end the war in ukraine, is it possible to imagine such a structure and such a negotiating group, which would work in two different places, but the result would be some kind of agreement there? well, mr. sergey, i can't imagine such a situation even hypothetically.

well, because what it means is that we are negotiating with russia, it means that we put, so to speak, or an ultimatum demand that you get out of ukrainian land, pay compensations, extradite war criminals led by putin himself, and then we let's talk about something, well, either putin says complete demilitarization of ukraine, complete neutral... status without any talks, return of the russian language, return of opzzhists or something like that, meaning the fifth column, the russian church and all these things that he keeps talking about, and then the question is in the problem, and what are we even talking about, is there even a hint that it would be possible to agree on something, the positions of the parties are so opposite and... we are becoming

exclusive, what to think about, well, any chance for negotiations, well, i i honestly don't know, but the fact that moscow... uses its agents influence in the west, well , you don't have to go to vorozhka here either, these are obvious things, you see, these are whole special operations, these are waves, but suddenly articles about negotiations appear in several leading american and european publications, well, it doesn't happen such that, for some reason, at the same time, at the same moment , the same idea occurs to different authors. well, it doesn’t happen like that, it means that it’s all being prepared, it’s all being prepared carefully, again, a special topic is chosen, which is now for putin from those or other considerations are needed, and he launches it,

unfortunately, he uses the same democracy in the west, which is a sacred cow there and allows the appearance, including... such paid, i think, without any doubt, materials for to create a certain atmosphere around the war , so one should be calm about this, but at the same time understand that the ideological war is no less acute than any other, and putin uses it quite well, it should be noted, because, unfortunately ,... canned food, which he left behind in the west, in fact there are many, many, and not only in the west and in the east as well, if we take the statement of the self-proclaimed president of belarus lukashenka that zelensky began to understand that the political way to resolve

the conflict in ukraine, as he said, is the only one, lukashenko said during his visit to moscow, where the meeting of the eurasian economic council was held. union or cooperation, there was a summit, and what lukashenko said, let's listen, i think that's the best chance, we'll somehow work more closely with them in order to they understood that this is the only chance, if they do not take advantage of it, there will be a general collapse, a military or, military or political decision, now we have reached the political one, the military are oppressing, as i always said, the military see what is happening, the pressure is very ... i will call him putin's political shoelace, and this political shoelace, he has been making

statements for the past two years and he is an accomplice of putin's aggression against ukraine, his country was the site from which russian troops entered on february 24, 2022. a year passes by 23rd year, i still have the same question, why are we still in diplomatic relations with belarus, well , i don’t have an answer to these questions, maybe you, mr. volodymyr, can somehow clearly outline the role of lukashenka during this war and some attitude of ukraine is so warm to official minsk, because in the conditions of war. it seems that all questions should be put to rest here, and in particular the question, who and what is belarus in this war? you see, mr. serhiy, why is lukashenko behaving like this, well, because, well, he is wonderful

understands how important it is for him to cling to putin, because the end of putin, political... or physical, is equal to the end of lukashenka, politically or physically, it is a direct dependence, that is, this is something that, i think, he already understood a long, long time ago , and because of this he will lick putin and repeat his delusions, as much as necessary, he simply has no other way out, this is the connection that is... er, for lukashenka, saving, as long as putin is there, as long as there is still is lukashenko. regarding belarus, you know, i think we should not cross out the future of belarusians, due to the fact that, unfortunately, they have been

under the yoke of their collective-farm, so-called president for so many years. belarusians, europeans, belarusians. european people with traditions and culture of european origin, they will definitely return to europe after you mention. the collapse of muscovy in its current form, so to break relations with the belarusians and the belarusian people, well, it would be completely unfair and wrong, we are probably the closest people to the belarusians who are on this earth ethnically, geographically, historically, because we are both slavic peoples close peoples, friendly peoples, peaceful peoples, then... that is why there is an understanding here that we

should still think about the future of this country and our closest neighbor, regarding diplomatic relations, here i completely agree with you, it is not about people, it's about power, and i've been saying this for a long, long time, and to be honest, i still can't understand what we 're losing. from the fact that we break these relations, because they really do not exist. well, the very concept of diplomatic relations, it assumes that countries agree to develop friendly relations in various spheres, political, economic, humanitarian, cultural, sports, any. well, we do not have any friendly relations with belarus in any field. that's why you have a question. absolutely legitimate, to be honest, i don't know, and i can't give

myself an explanation why we should formally keep these relations, which actually don't exist. thank you, mr. volodymyr, i would like to remind our viewers that we work on several platforms at once on the air of the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are watching us now live on youtube and. on facebook, please like this video in order for it to be promoted in the trends of these platforms, and take part in our survey, today we are asking you about whether you support the strengthening of mobilization in ukraine, yes, no, if you are sitting in front of the tv, please pick up your smartphone and vote if you support increased mobilization in ukraine 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​call, all calls are free for you. at the end of the program we will summarize this voting. mr. volodymyr, already at the end

of this year jens stoltenberg, the secretary general of nato, announced that russia will no longer achieve the goals of its invasion of ukraine. the secretary general of the north atlantic alliance noted that russian president putin has lost ukraine forever, even despite great military efforts, russia will not be able to achieve its goals in ukraine in two years. ukraine is closer to nato and the eu than ever. the year 2023 was quite difficult for ukraine, because we sought to receive an invitation to join the north atlantic alliance. in july, the summit of the north atlantic alliance was held in vilnius. we were told that they see us in the future in nato, but we did not receive an invitation. in december we received approval from li'. the leaders of the european union that we can start negotiations with

the member countries of the european union, how do you assess the foreign policy successes of the year 2023, could we get much more than we have? i, mr. serhiu, will start with this quote that is currently on your screen. and it is true, russia will no longer achieve those goals about which she dreamed, she will never defeat ukraine, and this is an obvious fact. the only thing is that i would much more like mr. stoltenberg or other european and american politicians to formulate this opinion in a slightly different way, that ukraine should achieve the goals it has set for itself. and these are the goals that you and i just talked about, when the russian troops

will be thrown out, knocked out of the ukrainian land, when they will compensate us for the damages caused to us, when russia will be punished, punished and specifically, in relation to those who he committed crimes and in general, when it will be really demilitarized, transformed into completely different structures that are formed on its territory, i think that change. so to speak , this kind of rhetoric would help our western partners to quickly come to the conclusion that it is necessary to change both the forms of aid and the forms of protection of ukraine, and here i approach your question about nato, yes, unfortunately, in vilnius we did not get what

we wanted, maybe our expectations were somewhat exaggerated. but our desire to have stable and guaranteed security is not exaggerated. yes, we can't join nato during the war, that's obvious, but we can get the tools that we will use to make the russian enemy understand that one more step against ukraine, or rather that every next step is against ukraine. it will not cost him more and more, but with that , i think we need to go to the washington summit and make sure that we start at least the same procedure that we have now along the lines of the european union, the beginning of negotiations, it is not guaranteed that these negotiations will end

tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, this is a very difficult process, it is something that... you have to go through and it will not be easy to go through, taking into account the many factors both on the battlefield and off the battlefield, see how much hungary is blocking sweden's entry into nato, without relatively , that they do not have any common points of contact, neither in the positive, nor in the negative, and so on, so this topic will remain. seems to be very relevant and main on the agenda of our foreign policy, if we talk about the results of the 23rd year, it seems to me that they are more than positive in the sense that the decision on the beginning of the negotiation process with the european union, it is not about technical details, it is not

about the fact that we need to adapt several thousand... documents to the european union to european norms, it is not about the fact that we need to close 30 or more relevant dossier for admission, this is about a political decision, this is about the decision that the west has finally taken ukraine to its political space, which means that there will be no more conversations about where ukraine is, in russia, between russia and ukraine, all reasonable or in some other zone, no, ukraine, and this is a political decision that is fundamental, it is already in the minds of our western partners, it is part of their space, and i think that the significance of this decision is really difficult to overestimate, it is what will guarantee us one hundred percent, and at the same time, in the near

future, joining both alliances , yes, of course, this will not be a gift, yes , of course, we have to pay for... this again and we will pay dearly, because these are not easy processes, but this is a guaranteed ticket to the european union and and and and i think, the nearest sometimes also in nato, and these are fundamental things that took place right now in the 23rd year, therefore, if we talk about such strategic results, then in my opinion they are more than positive, and this, mr. volodymyr, is the answer to the question that you articulated, or to the problems that you articulated under during the munich security conference, putin himself in 2007 , his famous munich speech, when he spoke about the fact that russia will never put up with the fact that it is not one of the poles of world politics and reproached the west for expanding to the east

and reproached the european partners because that they somehow... don't treat russia that way, one way or another, but the 23rd year became the year when putin received this answer, that is , after 16 years, why did the west take so long to react to what he tried to say and do already later putin, because in the seventh year, well , this is how our european partners treated this speech, shrugging their shoulders, in the 23rd year, the european union and... nato made it clear to putin that europe and the space that located around russia, will not be as putin imagines. it is absolutely you see... and here the examples of the two northern countries of finland and sweden are just indicative, i had a lot of conversations with finnish

colleagues before, and when asked if they were thinking about joining nato, i heard the same thing, yes, no, well the idea of ​​neutrality is so deeply rooted in our society, we have become so accustomed to it, it suits us... we don't need anything else, that the actual topic of joining nato was, well, really so irrelevant, if not to say so, speculative, and here we see what happened, and by the way, look at how interestingly moscow reacted to this, that is , there was nothing that would turn the political system of russia at once. well , let's not forget that from the finnish border to st. petersburg , it's something like 60 or 70 km, that is, it's not even

minutes of approach, it's seconds of approach, and at the same time, no tragedy happened, so putin said that he would form some kind of leningrad military the district, well, it’s like that, it’s in order to tell his wards that he is powerful, he still has the strength to... some district there, although he doesn’t have one reserves to replenish the thousands killed in one day in the war against ukraine, so this is a fake, and look how different the topic of ukraine's potential membership in nato is so far, no, not under any circumstances, nothing, we will not allow it, so that it is a security threat. russia, well, absolute delusion. this is not really a threat to russia's security, it is a threat to russia's ideological existence. russia, which

is taking on itself what does not belong to it, our history, our culture, our traditions and so on and so forth. this is proper trimming, or not better to say, cutting off their historical roots, which they encroach on and which they want to prove to the whole world that they are theirs. and here is actually the most important problem for putin, he is afraid of losing what they have already stolen. and what they sketch and sketched for many centuries of the west about their exclusivity, about their majesty, about their cultural traditions, about their slavicness, and so on. that is why there is such terrible and furious opposition to the idea, the very idea of ​​ukraine joining nato, because it means that it will end. but i agree with you mr. sergey, no matter what he does there, and no matter what tantrums he tortures there, it's all just a matter of time, we will defeat putin, we will defeat his

fascist regime, and believe me, it won't even be a few months before the situation changes, we will be in the european union, we will also be in nato, regardless of what is being shouted now, or will be shouted...someday in this poor empire. mr. volodymyr, let's return to what is happening in the united states of america. it is clear that there are two main candidates, probably two, maybe a little more, will have the opportunity to run for president of the united states of america, the elections there will be held on november 5, 24th. in the state of colorado, the supreme court of the state disqualified donald trump as a candidate for the president of the united states of america and prohibited him from participating in the state primaries , because the primaries are to be held on march 5, and this may affect

trump's status in the state in the general presidential election. . what is this disqualification, does it mean for the course of the presidential campaign, as it should be this case and this decision in general are a precedent, because we are talking about trump's involvement in the events of the sixth. on january 21, when a crowd of his supporters broke into the building of congress and, in fact, whether this could be the reason why trump will not be allowed to the primaries in other states, and as a result, he simply will not be able to swamp in the presidential elections. well, mr. sergey, the answer here lies in the competence of the supreme court of the united states. if he agrees with the logic of what the court in colorado accepted, then, then, in fact, you don't even have to wait for march,

then, i think that... that in many states such decisions will be made, which will mean that trump will really lose his chances of winning. yes, he can be nominated by the republicans, but if , let's say, in several key states they say no to him, then it will mean that he will lose a lot of support, because we remember the last election, it was. the elections, as they say, well, nose to nose, that is, everything was so close that we must be very, very careful to talk about each state here and understand that each of them can be decisive, so let's wait for the decision of the us supreme court, but even that will not really be the end of the story, because there is

so much against it. many cases, even in many cases the cases are not yet at the review stage, they will be somewhere in the spring of 24, but then we will see what will actually happen if these verdicts are negative for him, well , i don't know how the americans will elect a president who... has been sentenced even to such administrative fines or something similar, mr. volodymyr, you talked about that it is important for ukraine to maintain equal relations with a representative of one party, with a candidate from one party and from another, but can trump's victory in the presidential elections

of the united states of america? to change the policy of the united states of america towards ukraine, because we hear trump's rhetoric, but to what extent do the americans have these safeguards, to what extent do they work and do not allow, relatively speaking, any candidate who wins to radically change his foreign policy, well, we are interested in that first of all in the context of aid to ukraine and in the context our war against russia? well, mr. sergey,... no one has canceled the role of the individual in history, it is obvious that every political leader brings his accents, his logic, his vision of what is good, what is bad, trump is not an exception in this regard, in he has specific views on many problems of an international nature, but you are very right when you talk about what is there... all

so that any, well, let's say as one of our ukrainian philosophers said, from the self of one or the other candidate, they would be restrained and it would do no harm democratic system. well, the last example is the fact that congress made a decision about the impossibility of the us withdrawing from, say, nato, if on... and the president speaks for it without the permission of congress, this is, in my opinion, an excellent example of how the legislative power controls the executive , you can dream about leaving nato, well, dream about your health, but as long as the representatives of the people, the same as you, do not vote for it, there will be no such decision, that is why i think that despite , that...

many people are afraid of trump as a person who very often makes , well, let's say, unexpected, let's say, delicate, decisions, one way or another, if we are talking about the american system, it will balance at the expense of the position of the congress, at the expense of the same bipartisan position, because there is no need to paint republicans some exclusively trumpists of some kind of, you know, well, too radical faction, there are already adequate and at the same time the vast majority of politicians, politicians who perfectly understand that ukraine must be helped, that russia must be defeated, because otherwise russia will win the united states of america, therefore.