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of the espresso tv channel in rozpala. well, important news has arrived from poland. so, i am quoting onet agency now. we are talking, in particular , about an unidentified object that violated the airspace of our neighbors. the object was black, was from a meter to 2 m long and flew quite low, lower than an airplane. yes, this has already been announced in gma. komarov siege in the lubelskie region, and accordingly, local residents report that they are in constant contact with the polish special services, and until recently the polish minister of national defense, mariusz blaszczak, demands an explanation regarding the so-called mysterious object. yes, well, we will continue to inform about the situation in poland. in any case, president duda has already gathered. about an ordinary

urgent meeting, respectively. well, and us we are adding to our list natalia khomenyuk, the head of the joint coordination precenter of the defense forces of southern ukraine, who is ready to share with us the actual details regarding the morning attack on the south. in particular, ms. natalya, welcome to espresso, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. congratulations. we know that odesa, zaporozhye, kherson and other southern regions also suffered from russian missile and drone attacks today. strikes, the consequences of which are now known to the operational command south, as of 14:33, and actually what is known about which missiles used by the russians, the air force has already summed up, claiming that this is the most massive missile attack since the full-scale invasion, for the south it is not exactly the most powerful attack. but nevertheless

we have quite severe consequences, it is connected with the connection of missiles, air -based missiles, it is likely that khaf1 hit residential buildings, and this is absolutely not by mistake, but purposefully, because there are no military facilities nearby, if we are talking about a missile inclination, and instead in... in the private sector today instead of a private house with a sinkhole, in the historical district of the city, instead of a multi-story, multi-apartment building , there are three floors, in fact ruins , many different objects were damaged , educational institutions, medical institutions and... shops, a church, in a residential area were damaged by the blast wave

the computer of the multi-story building, the rocket penetrated the middle and burst, simply fired somewhere. several floors, the search and rescue operation continues, they continue to find people, unfortunately, under the rubble, and already the preliminary result is that there are dead, there are wounded, and more than 20, people continue, recovering from the shock , to seek medical help, these are the first results that there were already 26... people were recorded who sought medical help, including two children, a pregnant woman and elderly people, including a young woman in serious condition, that is, the consequences of this attack are extremely powerful, extremely

blatant from the point of view of creating such conditions and committing a crime, in fact a terrorist act. mrs. natalia, we would like to clarify with you how active the enemy is in general used the black sea fleet and , for example, the bridgehead on the temporarily occupied crimean peninsula, perhaps you have information on how actively he launched shaheds from the same, i don’t know, south there or from crimea or from the temporarily occupied left bank of the kherson region. according to our data , the night attack of drones, which we survived, was also hit in the odesa district in a preserved form, 14 people were shot down and, unfortunately , an infrastructural facility, which is not used, and therefore the fire and destruction there do not have critical consequences, but beating

drones directly over the residential quarters of odessa led to the fact that the fragments of one of them damaged a high-rise building, breaking through a wall. and having caused trouble, the fire that broke out, the rescuers quickly extinguished everything and people were saved only by the fact that they went to shelter in time, and as for the morning attack, after the night terror, it is obvious that someone lost vigilance, the time was chosen exactly when people were going to work, or had already actually left the house, and perhaps just intended to come to... shelter, but the rocket simply caught them as hostages inside the building, and nataliya gumenyuk is in contact with us, the head of the joint coordination operations center of the defense forces of southern ukraine, so we hope that

ms. natalya is with us, the connection is stable, and respectively, the left bank, the left bank of the dnipro, we understand, there are battles, well, accordingly. we received several very disturbing videos, well, i mean disturbing for the occupiers, in particular, it is about the destruction of their personnel of several units, we understand that the battles are very difficult for our fighters it is very difficult, but it is also very difficult for the enemy, and we have heard this so to speak in the midst of russian propaganda scum, you have my word, yes , indeed, they very often rotate because of this, because they... do not last long in this direction, the dynamics of the combatants' actions is very specific, due to the fact that we continue our work on expanding the bridgehead and maintaining our positions, in parallel working out the counter-battery, with

the use of drones on a fairly active basis, they suffer from this counter-battery struggle, lose guns, lose the system. under fire, they lose mortars, tanks and are forced under the pressure of an order under which they are all dragged there, forced to continue hostilities, even in the absence, complete absence of motivation, and this is an audible interception, and now we can state that in fact daily, daily enemy attacks in the amount of 10-13 s... we repulse, the enemy suffers losses and returns to his position. ms. natalya, you stated today that the enemy in the south is increasing the use of drones with ammunition fragment type up to 40 times. can you elaborate and explain to our viewers what

kind of fragmentation fpv drones are these, are they some kind of cluster munitions that have a long range? these are different categories, fpv drones simply became more, and the use of any other drones, other modifications, is the enemy of the enemy. activated and made a certain emphasis on the fact that it was the work of fragmentation munitions, based on the principle of hitting the largest possible area, the largest number of people, objects and so on, high-explosive fragmentation munitions, they fix on drones of various types, which are directed, trying to bypass our electronic warfare radio posts, directed to the right bank and delivered to ... gatherings of people, to places of supposed treatment, to places

like public transport stops, where people are actually defenseless and can be , can get the maximum number of slaves , ugh, and mrs. natalya, to be very brief, what about the stockpiles of missiles, because there were many expert opinions, including that they would be enough for two or three massed in... today, the russians used more than a hundred rockets and almost fifty drones, and i would like you to clarify what ukrainians should expect, what they should prepare for. we understand that the war is ongoing and we must always be, as they say, not ready, but for the ukrainians to soberly understand how much power they have and that we must be as careful as possible, especially in the winter period, when they threatened us with blackouts, well and so on. well, look, they were not actually involved in this attack. calibers of sea-based missiles, and their accumulation by the enemy is already quite significant, and these are missiles that

is a high-precision weapon, it is quite likely that after a missile attack by air -based missiles of the kha-101 type, the enemy can succeed, finding out what and how it works, where there are, let's say, conditionally, the weak points of our air defense, and you can.. . apply a more powerful attack with more specific targets, which will try to achieve with the help of the caliber itself, so we understand that against the background of what the main intelligence agency warned, if 900 plus missiles are accumulated, and in one mass missile attack they used more than a hundred , it can also testify to repeated repetition. thank you, ms. natalie. the head of the joint coordination press center of the defense forces of southern ukraine was in touch with us,

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to the non-receipt of tranches from the united states, the delay, the macro-finance from. of the european union, and in general people are not too optimistic about the economic situation in our country. oleg penzyn, with us in contact economist, executive director of the economic discussion club. glory to ukraine, mr. oleg, we congratulate you. glory to the heroes, i also congratulate you. well, our beautiful ukrainian hryvnia, so to speak, is starting to falter a little. in particular , it is about her about her course, we understand what it is connected with, external factors, but perhaps she has already felt it. some kind of additional strategy on the part of our cabinet, in general, i don't know, from our authorities, from our authorities, perhaps some powerful signal has arrived, which could very well read the business and other environments, your assessment of what is currently in our economy and what to expect in the nearest couple of weeks? well, look, er, the weaker the exchange rate,

the better the ministry of finance is definitely. so we have to understand with you that macro-financial assistance comes in foreign currency, all social payments go in hryvnias, that is , the more hryvnias the ministry of finance can extract for its dollars, the better off it is, yes, but what is happening now is simply happening because the national bank of ukraine, which essentially today it is shaping the course through interventions, holding a little currency reserves, every month, every week it sells at the level of a billion billion 200 dollars, and if there is no feeding from our partners, then the currency reserves run out very, very quickly, so for now it is going in the only channels with the ministry of finance

in order to somehow save currency reserves, and on the other hand, to give more hryvnias for those... dollars that the ministry of finance has, that is, the situation here is more or less clear, and as for the macro-financial help, the situation is extremely difficult. i would like to remind you that our glorious government has predicted significant increases in social standards for the 24th year. ugh. and this increase in social standards is a source of financing, with macro-financial assistance. and you and i immediately heard. from the minister of social policy that if there is no macro-financial assistance, then there will be no indexation of pensions, we have already heard from ms. sveridenko, the vice prime minister for economic affairs, the minister of economy, that there may be delays in the payment of social benefits and pensions, i.e. that's about

that economists said at the time of approval of the state budget of the 24th year that the situation in which you... and the income is 1.7, it is extremely dangerous from the point of view of dependence on external financing and extremely large, let's say, politically motivated in this macro-financial, proper financing, and we have to understand with you that there is no guarantee that at the end of january, the beginning of february, the issue with the americans will be with the europeans. will be decided according to scenario a, there is scenario b, of course, yes, but it will also involve some money, some time, certain problems, therefore... uh, so far we are going into the new year with not too much optimism, although there is hope that the 24th year will still be more or less financed, look,

mr. director, you hinted so delicately, and i know that people are naive and i always want to question, that is, in your opinion, when there are such and such signals from certain representatives of the economic bloc, the government, in particular, that something can be done there, so say sprinkle, then they will not mind too much, if, for example, a hryvnia would... i would like to ask a little more, i don’t even want to voice an approximate course, well, but we understand that there are certain serious, so to speak, not making ends meet, you allude to that, and that too, we just have to understand that the national bank of ukraine is also responsible for inflation, and if the hryvnia seriously depreciates, yes, then inflation will be extremely high in our country, and this will seriously affect the very issue for which the national bank is responsible, yes, for pensioners, and therefore, the national bank, sitting on currency reserves,

on the one hand, it is trying to lower the exchange rate a little, and on the other hand, not to provoke a sharp increase in inflation, and the imf penipritzker is all about it, but we understand that our overseas friends are helping us not just like that, but taking into account certain regulatory mechanisms. in particular, there is the imf for this, well , at the very least, is there also a peny priskir? well, penny priskir came here in november and said directly: "guys, what will you do if there is no money at all? please tell us, dear guys, what are your specific actions are going to do to ensure the needs of the ukrainian military industry of the ukrainian community at the expense of its own sources. and even then it caused a huge shock to all possible owners , all government officials, because they did not even imagine that such a question could be asked,

so actually this problem has existed for at least two or three months, the first moment, and the second, international the monetary fund will not give us a single additional penny, the international monetary fund says: wait, you just adopted a strategy for the development of public finances. public development strategy incomes, so act in this direction , increase the budget incomes at the expense of internal sources of the economy, at the expense of raising taxes, at the expense of the destruction of the simplified form of taxation, at the expense of the differential scale of the income tax of individuals, increase of rent payments, increase of excise taxes, you have there are a lot of mechanisms to clamp down on the economy so that it turns white, so let's work like that, by the way. no one will give you money, ugh, well, but we understand that if all these steps, relatively speaking, are not taken, then we will have to turn on the machine, and actually we are facing

a serious inflation of the hryvnia, and the solvency of ukrainians is already not at the best level, and it will become even lower, and here, in the context of this question, i would like to ask you the following: what do you think, whether this exchange rate of the dollar, which is set for the next year, it will pay off, is it still worth being prepared for... that the foreign currency can significantly increase in price there already in a few months, well , throughout the next year, well, look, if the machine is turned on, then the currency will definitely take a ride, well, because it will appear a huge amount of unsecured money stock, the budget now stands at 4.6, this is the average annual rate for the 22nd year, for the 24th. conditional, it is purely conditional, that is , by and large, it is tied only to the expected income of the state budget through

the sale of macroeconomic aid, if there is no such aid, if the state is forced to turn on the machine, well, simply put, to print money, and they are printed very specifically, the ministry of finance issues bonds. state loans bought by the national bank of ukraine. due to the fact that the national the bank of ukraine is the issuer, it can draw any amount it wants by adding a few zeros to its checking account. that is, it is a clean emission. so, if it will be, we actually saw the algorithms of how it looks in the 22nd year. in the 22nd year, the national bank together with the ministry of finance printed 400 billion uah. we had inflation of 27%, we had a drop in the exchange rate. from 24-25, remember, up to 40 hryvnias per dollar, there is a great hope that this will not happen this year, there is still hope that our partners

will give us money, then... because there is not only let's say scenario a, but also scenario b. but i i want to say right up front that we will live the 24th year with you, there are no questions, yes, let it be a little harder, let it be more problematic, but here everything will be more or less balanced. today, the 25th is completely naked , there is no understanding of it at all, that is, what will happen in the 25th year at the moment , nobody can predict, especially from the point of view of the uncertainty in november 20th of the fourth year regarding the election of the president of the united states of america , therefore, in this situation , i have optimism for the 24th year, and by the way, he is also supported by the minister of finance in at his press conference, he said: we will survive the 24th year in spite of everything, the 25th is generally in complete fog, it is not clear who will give, nor what will be given, nor how much

will be given, and it is not only for macrof'. assistance, we are also talking about military and technical assistance, which is much more difficult. mr. olezh, we still have three minutes, i would also like your assessment of the national debt, in general, it has already reached the mark of 5 trillion uah, we understand that this is quite a large amount, but for our viewers, explain what this means, how serious it is amount, so do i i understand that this money will either be able to restructure some part, some part is possible for us... they write, but still it will have to be returned, at least some part for sure. first, i have no hope of a write-off, frankly. restructuring is possible, by the way, we now have 3.5 billion dollars there with you by the 27th year of commercial borrowings. but when you and i talk about receiving money from ukraine as a sovereign, that is, it is money from the european union. this is

money from the americans, this is money under bilateral agreements, well, with the same south with korea, for example, or with japan, the situation with restructuring there is much more complicated, there must be a mutual decision regarding the cancellation of the debt, and here everything depends very much on how successfully and quickly ukraine will end this war, if successfully and quickly, then it is possible to it's like... talking there and so on, if the war drags on, oh, here and there, there can be very different scenarios, and you have to understand that our partners are also extremely politically dependent on their internal election processes, well, i also once again, look, we have a problem with the americans, and no one knows how it will be solved, that 's the truth, mr. velez, for the last thing, we literally have a minute left, i wanted to clarify, and this is an attempt, so to speak...

to motivate our ukrainian entrepreneurs to work even better, yes, so to speak , to pay more, well, or simply to close their production, for example, how do you evaluate such and such proposals now, to fry business like this now, look at it, it was very big at one time , a very big joke, what should be done in order for cows to eat less and more milk was given, there was an offer, less... to feed and milk more often, so it is true that a cow does not live very long after that, and in fact all those in power who have this idea should simply remember that the hen that lays golden eggs, if her cut in, you can eat once, ugh, well, we remember the country in which, you know, the obhcss worked, at one time, we remember how this country ended in 1991, to our great regret, mr.

oleg, we have to finish... for today the conversation with you, oleg penzen was in touch with us, economist, executive director of the economic discussion club, he did not wrap the truth in so-called diplomatic papers or candy canes. well, soon you will know more news from anna eva melnyk, who, together with the news editor, has already analyzed and selected the most relevant and important information, so we will pass the floor to anya. greetings colleagues, thank you for your work, the news team continues to work, and i will start this issue. with the situation in the capital, muscovites killed four people there, i want to say right away that almost all over an air alert has been declared on the territory of ukraine.