there is the opposite side, belarus , relatively speaking, well, takoinoshenki, kazakhstan nazarbaeva, well, as i was saying all this then, who were ready to join the csto, this is also to a certain extent the sphere of security, so you ask, if i do not consider myself a victim lukashenko definitely does not consider russia, and nazarbayev did not consider himself a victim of russia, they considered russia there to be a state with which one should have friendly relations, but they are also ready... when to enter the russian security sphere, i don't even say no about the peoples, but about the elites, yes, the belarusian elite, pro-lukashenkivskyi the kazakh elite, they believed that they should turn to moscow for this security guarantee for themselves, by the way, it worked, as you know, in 2020 for lukashenka, ugh, and in 2022 for the kazakh elite, where tokayev was already fighting with nazarbayev, but it's still, you know, the same eggs only in profile. the same elite

, and it turned out that russia is even ready to send troops there when it comes to kazakhstan, just to save this elite from some problems, but this, if you like, is also a nuclear umbrella when we are talking about nato, and that a nuclear umbrella, when we talk about the csto or the shanghai cooperation organization, where you can somehow appeal to china , what the countries of central asia are doing very actively, uh, this is also a strength, and where we... appeared, we simply adored our multi-vector foreign policy, this, if you ask, is not where i said then, i said in the 90s, that this general-vector , multi-vector foreign policy, this means that we are nowhere, i apologize, so that, and this and there is a result, and now... when we

they say again, and maybe the condition of our survival and agreement with russia will be our neutral status, then this is what russia has always sought from us, so that we are nowhere, because if we are nowhere, sooner or later we will become nothing, this a simple simple relationship, but unfortunately, i always remind you that this was accepted by society, ukrainian society, for a long time, and i don't know how the situation would have changed if not... 2014, if not for the annexation of crimea, if it weren't for the tragedy that happened in donbas, as far as ours and yours are concerned compatriots were ready to realize the real danger. i want to remind you that when viktor yushchenko was still president, and when such a real conversation about the holodomor began, many did not perceive it as an accusation against russia, almost the entire faction of the party of regions voted against it. of this

decision, now, when we talk about the legacy, the political legacy of yushchenko, we understand that this is possibly one of the most important moments in the political history of ukraine, so that we can realistically look at our own history of the 20th century, then for for many it was not significant, for me it was a huge mystery, why is it so, you understand, khrystyna, because i knew about all these stories from childhood and generally believed that this was one of the most important moments in the history of the ukrainian nation, the one about what the... one always has to say when we think about what actually happened in these lands, but no, but no, it was necessary for a whole president to start a whole campaign to return the policy of national memory to some conscious beginnings. we are still building like you you know, until now, let's talk about what is probably bothering ukraine at the end of 2023, almost the most, and it is still the fact that we are...

hostage to the political realities of our extremely important partners, for example , the united states. in general , the history of our relations with the united states during 2023 was full of many events, including the visit of joseph biden to ukraine in february 23, despite, as we understand, a rather heated military situation. this is the visit of ukrainskyi, the ukrainian president and more not alone to the united states, the speech and... in the congress and communication with representatives of both parties in the united states and definitely communication with the american president himself, we understand that the turbulence in the states is hardly related in any way to us, but together however, we find ourselves in a situation where we depend on it, and whether the democrats will come to some conscious compromise with the republicans, unfortunately, our entire existence depends on it. next year is no exaggeration.

mr. vitaly, can we say that in in the united states, a certain awakening is taking place, and now it is actually the josephan administration. not understanding what political realities they faced in their country, they are forced to look for some alternative ways of financing us. at the end of the year, i'll just remind you, the united states began to convince the countries of the group of seven that there is an absolutely normal legal mechanism for the transfer of confiscated russian assets, or frozen russian assets to ukraine, so there are some, you know, inventive thoughts in this direction , but that's all it comes out of the crisis, well, you are absolutely right , christina, if... we look at the year 2023 from the point of view of the logic of ukrainian-american relations, then here we will see a transition from triumph to disappointment, this visit of the president of the united states in february, which seemed an incredible historical event, it was the first ever visit of an american president to a zone of such obvious danger, when the president

of the united states has to travel by train in such, i would say, a classified situation from the polish border to kyiv. and you can to imagine how difficult it was for this decision to be adopted in the white house even before the visit of volodymyr zelenskyi to washington in december, which was also unexpected, but still everyone considered it a huge event when the president of ukraine arrives in washington, because we all knew that previously all the proposals of the ukrainian side to organize a meeting of the presidents of the united ... forum of defense strategies, but did not come , representatives of the ukrainian leadership came without zelensky, and this

is such an important moment that i want to say that after all, that visit was the last, it was also a visit of disappointment to some extent, because everyone talked to zelensky both in the senate and in the chamber. representatives and representatives of the republican political establishment said yes, we will support you, but it's not about you at all, but on the other hand, this is this is true, but maybe because we don't know, it may be that the republican elite is using the story with the border to not give us money, we will see that next year, but the other important thing is that the very fact that no one in the united states, with the possible exception of donald trump no... he wants to say out loud that he does not want to give aid to ukraine, this is a positive rather than a negative signal, because we knew in 2022 that 2024 would be difficult from the aid point of view, and everyone knew about it told us that most of what we can do

should be done in 2020 the third year because 2024 is a campaign year in the united states and a... a campaign year is never easy and there is another very important point that i want to say that this year 2024 has started actually in 2020 the third, why? because the american lawmakers in the house of representatives elected the speaker of the house for the first time in many years with a completely strange procedural procedure, because the speaker of the house of representatives is a serious figure, he is a person who in his actions must be protected. immunity, so this speaker is given this immunity for a certain time, so that he can rule the house calmly, so that he can not look back to the views of individual legislators, so that he can rely on the majority, and the impeachment of such a person can be

determined solely by the common will there, it seems to me that a large number of legislators, i will not name the number now, as it looked like before, kevin mccarthy in his desire to become the speaker of ... representatives, by the way, he actually lost his political career, so that at the end of this year he is leaving the congress altogether, and with this imprudent decision, he wanted so much, you know, a person really wants, there is some desire, i really want to be the speaker of the house of representatives of the united states congress, i can understand that, it is a good job, and historic work, but it is important not to fall into history, not to fall into it, this is the year when people did fall into history, remember how kevin makartsiv... entered history as a short-term speaker, and remember the letter that was prime minister-minister of velika for several weeks britain, he and she too, probably always wanted to lead the british government, but if you go down in the history of great britain as the shortest

-serving head of government, that's exactly what you wanted in life, so the question , you see, so that says turbulence absolutely, and here is kevin mccarthy. becomes the speaker, he actually cannot really manage the chamber, and later representatives of such a radical circle in the republican party, who are even more zealous. than their colleagues focus on former president donald trump , they nominate him with a vote of no confidence, and this speakership begins, and the new speaker of the house of representatives, mike johnson, he perfectly understands from the experience of his predecessor that he is much more dependent not on congressmen, not on the general political situation in the country, but from the will of one man, because donald trump, as we have seen, could block the election. anyone who seemed to him too independent a candidate, those whom i called

republicans in name only, although in fact trump himself is a republican in name only. and johnson, whatever ideas he has about his political future, he is forced to focus on trump, because if he stops doing this, he will face the fate of mccarthy, and if you want to remain a significant figure in american politics, you need to b to to to the election somehow. the advice of 2024 to remain the speaker, because it is not known what the majority will be, whether there will be a majority of democrats, whether there will be a majority of republicans, no one knows what will happen after the election, but that's why 2024 began for us, unfortunately, 2023, if it were not so khrystyn, then the speaker of the house of representatives would absolutely calmly put the budget for 2024 to the vote, which i am still reminding you of. unapproved, and the budget for the military, which was approved only at the end of the year, and

the proposal of the president of the united states for assistance to ukraine, israel, and taiwan, all this would be. and yes, we faced this turbulence just before the decision to allocate this 61 billion dollars to us would be approved. by and large, as it should be, we should have receive this 61 billion and then turbulence would begin, well, this is ideal , it should be like that, this is what the white house planned, and what would happen in 2025, no one knows at all, because everything there would still depend on the outcome of the elections the president of the united states , what this result will actually be , nobody knows today, america is such a country, we are now looking at the ratings, here trump is ahead of biden, biden... is behind trump, but we know, in america, first of all, it does not matter , who is ahead of whom, who is not ahead of whom, hillary clinton won

trump's presidential election with a million votes, it seems to me a gap, if not more, uh, and with a huge gap, and who became the president, the counting system is different, you need to see what the mood will be in difficult states, just at the time of voting, and this nobody can predict, i remember watching these states right when it was clinton, trump and... on the one hand, clinton's results kept going up and states kept going down, and everybody's like, oh, see how it can be because trump understood how they should conduct the election campaign, he generally worked only in these states, and clinton did not pay such obvious attention to them, and now everyone understands this for sure, and the same applies to the 2024 election , how the election campaign will be built, what will the american economy look like, in any case, it is a certain positive for me not only that now... various alternative moments that are connected with

the aid to ukraine, but also that the political elite is still looking for the united states itself results that they were ready for to continue, at least the senate in the days before christmas and discuss all this, that they were looking for some compromises related to the border and everything else, and it seems to me that one way or another we have some hope that this issue will be resolved, i would like to hope for this, because... i will tell you right away, without this money it will not be easy, to put it mildly, very diplomatically, and if we are talking about political, political changes, movements, political life in general, here it is a little closer in europe, well, we understand that governments have changed in a number of european countries approaches, the parties that are ultimately in power have changed, and this is extremely important absolutely everywhere. what main trend would you notice here? well, there really

isn't any obvious common trend here, because the elections look enough and the prospects for the elections look too different vectorial to talk about trends, on the one hand we can talk about an obvious right trend, huh, but when we talk about an obvious right' . trend, we rely primarily on what happened in the netherlands, the triumph of geert wilders' freedom party, but khrystyna, the party's triumph. not italy a little earlier, yes, italy a little earlier, it's true, but in any case there italy is a complex multi-party coalition, in which the party of prime minister giorgi melani simply won the first place in the sympathies of the right-wing electorate, brothers of italy, simply for the simple reason that other right-wing parties have already tired their voters,

with their, i would say, involvement and corruption, one cannot vote for the late sylvia all his life. russians, seriously, but by and large the right-wing electorate in italy according to the number of votes that are given to the voters, it has remained quite stable, just the party of berlusconi and the league party of matteo salvini, they have turned out to be outsiders in the right-wing camp compared to the brothers of italy, it is not known how it will be next time, but the very trend of that some vote for the right, others vote for... this is a traditional story for italy, such a right-wing party as the christian democratic party of the previous republic simply does not exist, but this party has always been leading party, there was always a real competition in italy, so that we don't talk about it like that for a long time, between the christian democratic party on the one hand, and on the other hand the intercomist party of italy, it was the second political force in the country, and by and large

only by joint efforts the vatican and the mafia managed to stop this party in the post-war years. this split was always there, it remained, all this simply remained, and here i don't see it as a standard situation for italy, because imagine if salvini won, and not maloney, well, the league party won, it was always the strongest, we wouldn't see any serious changes in the grand scheme of things, well , because... now the right has defeated the democratic party, the next election may bring victory to the centrists, no, it's not even about that , it's about, why did i mention hert wilders, because here is this success of the freedom party that happened in two weeks, it is largely due to the events in the middle east, and everyone knows it, and if there were no events in the middle east, in the middle east, relatively speaking, hamas would they

would not cut the throats of women and children, they would not rape them they brutalized the israelis there... butsach, the party of geert wilders in the netherlands would get the place it should have won according to the results of previous sociological polls, there 5-6, so again, on the one hand, there is an obvious trend of strengthening the far-right forces , yes, this is an alternative for germany, it was also before hamas, it was growing in ratings, it is the swedish democrats, who have a good position in sweden, it is... the finns in finland, can this trend of strengthening the right-wing, far-right forces, true ones continue , it is on the one hand, on the other hand, slovakia, by the way, this is also a good example, it is obviously a right-wing party, on the other hand, there is a victory of the democratic coalition in poland, the law and justice party cannot

be called ultra-right, it is just a classic right-wing, right-wing force, but an ultra-right confederation of .. knew a serious defeat, it did not strengthen its capabilities , spain, where many believed that the right would definitely come to power, but associated with it not even so much a triumph in the traditional rights, the fact that they would be able to form a coalition with a far-right party fox. this did not happen. fox suffered a serious defeat in the election, it was this party, the people's party of spain, that won. everything happened as planned, she won the first place in the elections, as, by the way, the law and justice party won the first place in the elections, these right-wing parties won the elections, but they did not have enough votes to form a government and in spain, and in poland, and in spain, the democratic left-wing coalition in power, led by prime minister pedro sánchez, and in poland, the center-left

coalition in power, led by donald tusk, that is, but also law and justice. in fact, the people's party in spain also hoped for the success of the far-right, as you said, you see the trend, the far-right is gaining votes, and we will be able to rule together with them, this did not happen, now let's see what, say, there will be next year in austria, where again such an austrian party of freedom is now the leader of pre-election sympathies, but to what extent it will manage to be not just a leader, but to form a government, we will see, because even in the netherlands we do not have anything like that there see, we see the party that won, as, by the way, the people's party in spain, as the party of law and justice, poland, but here the question arises, to what extent it is possible to create a coalition, because we all the time. we find ourselves during these trends in a situation where the party that wins, it cannot form a coalition because it is politically isolated, the right-wing parties, uh, in their

effort to gain power, try to fight for the electorate of the far-right, to please them, as a result they destroy the chances of the far right and they themselves have no possibility to come to an agreement with other political forces, but look, the work of law and justice, if it had not behaved like this all the time, the last time, i would say. it was obvious for polish-ukrainian relations as well, she would definitely have several coalition partners close to her with whom she could easily form a government, let's say the polish peasant party is close to her in terms of ideology, but these parties simply behave like that when they are in power, and then everyone else says, we will not be your partners, we will be, conditionally saying, to negotiate at least with the devil from our point of view, but not with you, because you are arrogant, because you are crooks, what are you bastards? you monopolize everything , destroy everything, law and justice

had to go through it, popular parties in spain had to go through it, because it turned out that it had all the opportunities to form a coalition with various regional parties, but all the catalan basque parties there said: listen , your whole ideology is the fight against so-called separatism, you don't want to negotiate with us, you want the police to act, instead of looking for political deals with us, you... call us separatists, take us to court, persecute our political leaders, well, sit in opposition for another four years, what's the difference, negotiate with your neo-fascists, what's missing votes, well, sit in the opposition , who needs you idiots, and this is the result of the collapse, and by the way, when i followed the referendum on the independence of catalonia, so -called, which was not legitimate at all , and i said that i was not thinking about what is happening with the independence of catalonia, because it is unlikely will be independent in such a situation, but i think about how the prime minister of spain at the time from the people's party, asnar, destroys

, with his inability to dialogue, the chances of his own political party to ever be in power in the country, because these measures that he implemented , basically leave him no chance, you can turn a blind eye to the fact that there are catalans, so you can turn a blind eye to the fact that there is, turn a blind eye to the fact that there is a basque, to think that the police... the supreme court of they will sort it out, and then the parliamentary elections begin, and it turns out that without these political forces, in general theirs, well, there is no chance for you to return to power, because then you simply give this power to the left forever, not because the left are generally capable of agreeing on some kind of catalan independence, they are not capable, but because simply everyone acts like this , to keep you in the opposition for punishment, even the catalan right. parties, ugh, they don't want to do business with you because you're anti-catalan, because you're a castilian chauvinist, a castilian chauvinist should sit under the bench, and what's happening

now with this story reminds me very much the soviet union, you know, when they put so much pressure on it that then everything fell apart, in the end , to pieces, which you know, after these parliamentary elections in spain, they already implemented a solution, again, so that this left-wing government could hold on, what is possible. .. the parliament of spain should now speak in castilian, catalan, basque, galician languages, and when the deputies from the right say, what the hell, well, we all know spanish here, castilian, that is , why can’t we speak in one language in the parliament, if you come to madrid, you well, no one prevents you from talking as you want in bilbao or barcelona, ​​why here in madrid, and colleagues say to them, put on your headphones, please, we will now answer you in basque, so you put on... listen, but all this could not happen, that is, it could not happen, if there was a capacity for dialogue, and this is when we talk about trends, why i

talk about this in such detail, the far-right and the right- wing conservatives in general do not have the capacity for dialogue, and by the way, another trend that will be next year is the collapse of conservatives in great britain, ugh, it's already absolutely obvious that they have no chance to stay in power, whenever the sunk just leads the funeral team. formed by our beloved boris johnson, who in fact , with his populist actions, with his support for brexit, has buried the conservative party of great britain, and i am very happy about that, because i think that historical justice should work, that if you lie , what if you deceive people, what if you create opportunities for votes that lead to yours country into a bad corner, then you yourself have to disappear from the political scene. i am very happy about boris johnson's fiasco, i hope that he will never be a politician again, well, now ukrainian is not in trend, if anything, ukrainian is not in trend, of course, but i am just glad, and i hope that there will be a punishment for

preserves active party of great britain, i am absolutely not interested in the ukrainian trend. i do know one thing: if the uk had remained a member of the european union, we would not have needed viktor orbán to leave the boardroom under time to vote for ukrainian european integration. do you understand that? there was nothing in it. britain's procrastination would be as strong and serious as could arise. of course. if so... now orban, orban managed to convince giorgi melen, who cannot be compared to the prime minister of great britain in terms of her influence, then imagine if there was simply a prime minister of great britain who was a supporter of the european integration, he would be, britain would be what it is. once, military aid would be much greater from europe, the issue of financial assistance would be much more serious, but we are talking about how great britain helps us by itself, says:

oh, how good, great britain has left the european union and can help us independently without all these agreements? well, of course, it's just a geometric progression that works in the other direction. it is not a very big country that can help us, considering also the economic situation in which it found itself as a result of brexit. if it were part of the european union, the european union would not help us with 50 billion dollars, but 80, because it would be one of the flagships, it would be one of the and in order to, you understand, in order to get it. hungary is trending, but to simply tell viktor orbán, how to give more money than putin, or give more money than putin, and in order to get great britain, because the prime minister of great britain: "listen, you don't want to help ukraine, you are against values, and we will leave you, go to the fig". well, and this immediately causes, you remember, while great britain was blackmailing everyone with the fact that it it will work, everyone is ready. there were any of their whims

to fulfill, and their whims were pro-ukrainian, and this is the fact that this year the last prime minister of the time when great britain was still a normal state from the european point of view, part of the european union, was returned to the government of great britain. david cameron, and how everything has changed in terms of the pressure of great britain in foreign policy immediately, because david cameron, unlike those many politicians who came to power in the country as a result of brexit, it must be said right away that this change of political halites. immediately returned great britain to the foreign policy that we all remember, to the policy of cooperation with europe and pressure on europe, and the ability to talk to the americans accordingly, as part of this common space, and that was all lost, so i understand , that ukrainians are very pleased when someone comes there in kyiv, who is under surveillance, says beautiful words, but this person before

that... does everything possible to cause the situation in which we found ourselves, because she she could realize this at that moment, that lust for power, lack of political intuition, unprofessionalism, by and large you understand that when you leave the european union, you create in moscow the impression of the weakness of the west, both by and large brexit and trumpism, spawn putinism, and the inspiration for putinism, and it doesn't matter what boris johnson says after that, because the decisive step that led to the creation of this situation has been taken, it's a huge tragedy, well , there's nothing you can do, so to speak, we simply, these are just my emotional reflections, you know, but they are very valuable, the end, excuse me, the middle of december, and we have a very optimistic decision for us, which starts negotiations on our accession to the european union, the eu summit rushed to this decision despite the position

of some. european leaders, already mentioned orban and hungary, but let's not get carried away, the path can actually be extremely long, and on this path of negotiations and not only the implementation of agreements, we will be , perhaps even for decades, examples historical ones also exist, together with ukraine , moldova, georgia, bosnia and herzegovina received certain euro integration prospects, bosnia and herzegovina may get the opportunity to hold. negotiations , if it meets the terms of the negotiations, that is, it is some kind of step forward in the case of each individual country, of course, but there is a trend and there is a signal, a political signal from the european union that they are ready to accept into their ranks countries which, some of they are very traumatized by the russian federation, well , simply because of territorial integrity or incompleteness, which is an important point, because let's be honest.