whoever received it was supposed to receive one doll, but it turned out to be another, this is a bear, they are asking for peace, victory and the return of their relatives. i am really waiting for a real miracle, that my mother, who is defending her country, will return from captivity as soon as possible, and these are such dreams that , of course, it is difficult for st. nicholas to realize, but we have merits and we have our ukraine, and we hope that all this will come true, but for now we have to support them and , in any case, do some miracles for them as a volunteer. admit, the war and the special occupation greatly changed the behavior of these children, they are used to explosions, gunshots , it's just normal and usual for them when the world around them is dangerous, they just know how and where not to walk and everything, and they teach, by the way, we were taught, well, don't go to the second floor there, snipers work there, and you are strangers, they can kill you. children from the kherson region are waiting for the deer, so the volunteers are already preparing for a new trip. kateryna kusmarova, dmytro

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greetings, good evening, my name is myroslava barchuk, this is a self-titled program, a joint project of ukrainian pen and the tv channel. today my guest is anatoliy dnistrovy, poet, novelist, artist, member of the executive board of ukrainian foam. anatolia, congratulations, thank you for coming on this wonderful new year's day. russia does not betray itself, all days before the new year, having accumulated rockets, it waters. us with all means of destruction, and rockets, and shaheds, and so on, but it will be very predictable, but i decided to talk to you about another, different defeat, as oksana zabushko said, today it is not enough

to just bombard cities, you can bombard people's cities, and that is why we actually anatoly dnistrovy decided to talk about information attacks, about special information operations that i will actually arrange... the russian federation against us during the 23rd year, that is, these are the results of the year of russian narratives, yes, what they were. and i want to start with such a question when the war began, it was february 22 , a full-scale war, they said that this russian propaganda actually lost its influence on ukrainian society, on western society, but then somehow it happened that, and we see this very strongly , the last six months, the last year that... somehow they learned, or is it possible, you have some other answer, and in both their propaganda and their ipso, which is called, became really effective, and it is felt in ukrainian society, why what reason i think that

the russians, in fact, did not slow down their pace, it's just that in the 22nd year, their entire bet was on disrupting this consolidation. putin's coalition, they, we remember how they basically brought down the draghi government in italy through the media, they dismissed him, yes, in other countries, for example, the johnson government, they also basically made a very significant effort to his rating fell because of mass media, in particular, which are controlled by pro-russian owners, so independence in particular, that is, they did not stop. this pressure and the pace is crazy, we just had other tasks at that time, maybe we didn’t monitor it very much, or rather i would say incorrectly , everything was monitored, but we simply did not pay due attention to it, in reality, the 23rd year was very optimistic, that is, the first

decade his, somewhere in the first two quarters, maybe the third quarter, somewhere in the middle of the third quarter, it was such an optimistic vision, in particular, in ours and in ours. well, it all started with a big bar of information and optimism, which was laid by the eighth ramstein at the beginning of january, that it was declared in such a political sense by many countries of the west, as first of all aid and counter-offensive weapons, that is, it is not only our phraseology, i want to emphasize, and we all the statements that ukraine made, all our external communications, they were simply, as it were, i would say so, they were in solidarity with western voices, yes, western leaders, and we, we were in the orbit of this, so to speak, this romantic there or a little pink some kind of illusion that we will succeed, and indeed, and

a lot western strategists, and perhaps ours the fault lies in the fact that the institutional strength of russian statehood was not sufficiently calculated. that is, it was not added, unfortunately, by sanctions, yes, russia stabilized, that is, it had a big economic shock, but it stabilized, that is. and of course what they became , we have to admit it, they became stronger, they already became stronger in the second half of the 23rd year, they became stronger and began to conduct information campaigns more intensively and aggressively, that is, i want to say that this is a very dense process for them, this not just some kind of steel, they developed some schemes that there, ukraine is not a small state there, there is something else, it is general. scraps yes, and i mean that they got into absolutely all, without exception, current complex, problematic

issues that arise in us, and they play them out, we will get to that now, but how do you now feel about the fact that actually to these these these pinkness, the rose-colored glasses that are there and in the west, which is completely understandable, because after the heroic resistance, we were so obviously perceived as cybergs who can do anything even with that small amount. our rhetoric, let's say, in the national televised marathon, yes, where , i think, there was a little, well, the reality was embellished, yes, when people were told that we were winning, that's what they said, well, how very good vitaliy the wild said , a former peteran, yes, and he now talks a lot about the military. topic, he says that even when you call on the phone, the answering machine says,

while you wait, yes, ukraine is winning, and everyone has the impression that you can wait, meanwhile the victory comes, as if something is happening by itself , yes, so do you it doesn't seem that we, the media, and the government have created these inflated expectations, all together, that is, society has deceived itself, i am completely with you... i share this opinion, because this is our mentality, whether we like it or not, we, if not bad, look very apocalyptically at the critical situation, and on the contrary, if it is not only, it is not only the data from this agenda, it is not our modern problem, it is a problem since the days of the cossacks, the conditional hetmanship, that when stupidity arises when we relax our eyes a little, and so do our eyes somewhere zami look, we may not be aware of all the contexts of danger, that is, some kind of rationality, i actually

used the term rationality, it seems to me that we are really lacking in our attitude to our victories and potential victories and future ones, and also to potential and future possible defeats, in us there's no rational attitude, we're a very emotional nation, we're rocked back and forth, and it 's very emotionally triggered, maybe that's... there's, there's that key, so to speak , because, well, again, i i don't think so, we don't have it historical program, historians can talk about it better, here, and in this context, knowing the psychology of our society, this is a beautiful fertile ground for the russian special services and their agents to transplant their bacteria here, eyes, which we call there ipsotam and so on and so on. to list the main, here are the main special operations that must be recognized were

effective, yes, some of them at least worked very well, and in 2023, what were these ipso? there were actually a lot of russian ipso, both current and different, and they worked in different ways, there are some that we cannot even direct their harmful influence on our society, it is impossible to do this. but agree, if everywhere is not an innocent society, the innocent says that the west will fight the russians to the last ukrainian, well, we understand that this thesis is embedded, and which is repeated, replicated by various people there, somewhere there, on the markets there and so on and so on, that is, she lives in grassroots society, and they work on exactly what is called... it's word of mouth, it's a very great tool for them, it's one such influence big, yes, and the second tools are that

they also work against western consumers, in which way, they say, it becomes worse for you to live, you have utilities, food, energy resources, inflation, all of this becomes more expensive, because, because the war in ukraine, that is, they also work there and... and this and they, in principle, are achieving great success now, if we look at individual societies, in individual states, where some pe' are already going. hesitation and already some such statements sometimes sound doubts, which were not there before in certain countries in certain leaders there or prime ministers there or something else, that is, this is what i am saying , these are such very successful, and such current things to say, well, there are a lot of them, that is, i will not even remember them, because it

happens every week, you understand, but here look, the center for countering disinformation identifies the following main topics, which... which russia uses them, and in fact , it disperses these fakes in ukraine. so, a protracted war, so that the war will be very long, protracted. the second is the ineffectiveness of the ukrainian counteroffensive. the third is total corruption in ukraine. the fourth is unpreparedness before joining the european union. fifth, ukraine is against peace talks, while russia seeks them. and the top topic is conflicts in the higher. to the political leadership of ukraine, as well as , well, mobilization has already been added, but look, any person who hears this, any ukrainian who understands and reads the media, watches television, he will tell you that this is not entirely russian narratives because some of it is true, how does it cooperate,

why do we call it russian narratives, if it is also reality, how is it similar? look, this is when snyder explained this story of the hybridization of truth, well, what is it like, how the truth passes there, for example, into post-truth, or even into manipulation, some fragment of the truth is taken , which is then twisted to a degree, the appropriate context is made, and we we actually get quite a bit, well, it's like in a lens, there is a focus and there is a blurred focus, sharpness with... a minority yes, that is, when it is blurred, the main thing here is that the manipulative strategy is to present all these facts, that is, there are contexts, there are contexts with which you can to work, they can be solved, and the russians present it according to this principle, and besides , one should not forget that their, i think, their agency, which is here, is also working for this

, that is, someone can deliberately do something that is profitable to pick them up in order to point fingers, as an example of... an example of what is in ukraine, ugh, that is, these are planned multi-pronged special operations of information and there, well, actually special services, yes , if you say so, that is, what they do, they monitor the information space, yes or work through their agency, they see that there are sore spots here and there, and here i am reading, this very same center for countering disinformation, they say that they react, they have a response time. 2-4 hours , how do they warm it up, you say serafanne radio, how does it work, through its telegram channels or how, i think, well yes, first of all it works through telegram channels, because telegram channels, they are available to every person who has a mobile phone and the internet, this is the easiest way of media now for

the enemy, it is meant to influence people, primarily for ukrainians, ukrainian. the state information, so to speak , policy, it loses to the enemy 's telegram channel, this, it is necessary to recognize this fact, it cannot stop it in any way, it cannot react to it, that is, there are no tools to fight it, here, and they are for because of this, they pour in, that is, they produce with continuous, at this level of the conveyor , they constantly produce psok videos , where, let's say, they make our video about mobilization... which they produce not only now, once the question of mobilization arose, this is their history it's already going on, it's been going on for a while, i'll explain what we just showed, we just showed, in fact, a list of those fakes that the russians spread and threw away during the year, but you can show them again so that, just so that people understand , what is it, so telegram channels, our, our informational,

let's say, politics are insufficient or not? or too weak, i just don’t even know if she is too weak or, it seems to me, that she cannot reach people institutionally, this is her main communication problem, she has there is no communication feedback, so to speak, the problem is even bigger , in fact, they have it now, in my opinion, well, it ’s like this, it’s not just a narrative, it’s probably a metanarrative, that is, it’s like a basis now, so for them very big and important. they still have it from the soviet special services, when fighting the enemy, the primary task was to convince the enemy that he had already experienced defeat. that is, he experienced a psychological defeat even before the defeat as such, but now all their efforts are thrown at this, this, this now this aggravation is very visible, so that

the ukrainian society survived and believed that it was defeated, well, this is an absolute absurdity, well, from our point of view, it is a complete absurdity, but look how it works cunningly, that we first warm up in ... the forging of ukrainian society, we say that we are winning, we say that while the phone is ringing, victory is coming, then we understand that the reality is very complicated, and here the russians pick up on all this and ride these waves, absolutely, they pick up this wave, they hybridize it a little, that is, they sharpen reality somewhere, so what is hyperrealism, is there realism? but there is hyperrealism, you can make a portrait of me , like this, yes, or you can give a close-up , so that you can see all the scars on the skin, conditionally speaking, so that, that is, the effect of disgust can

be achieved, they are essentially looking for this effect of disgust in reality, it is important for them to present all our problems in this way, to sharpen them, to make them, well, almost under a microscope and put them together in a big grandiose puzzle, that everything is lost, that it is a total apocalypse and that we have lost, well it. absolutely, how to explain it, this is a mental see-saw right now, now the mental see-saw of society has gone to this negative pole in our country, so we will call it negative, and it seems to us that the picture is like this, so i say it again, that the russians ' strategy was always to present themselves in the world, there could be a complete apocalypse in their rear. everything can be very terrible in them, but they make a demonstration of this steadfastness, this is what napoleon once said about power, the whole trick is

that the essence of power is not whether power is strong or weak, but the whole trick is how it seems to someone, everything can be there, the apocalypse is full, i.e. ruins, but it shows itself as strong, unshakable, that is russia is doing it now. this is a king with a bare ass who shows himself in this way, and they also offer us this picture, they offer us that our statehood, our deep institutional capacity, whether it is economic or whatever, that it is already everything, the end, well, that's it in fact, it does not correspond to reality, but the point is that the problem is, agree that the ukrainian authorities embellished the reality, and this is exactly what caused it. to such an emotional failure, such an emotional setback, exactly what was broadcast through the telethon, through the statements

of the government speakers and so on, that is, this too, we must admit it, i will mention it in this case, by the way not going to defend anyone, i will mention, despite the fact that i say that historical parallels are useless, but i will mention the fact. the american revolution, the battle for independence, the army, that is, general washington and congress, these were two competing political organizations, but the army, everything is very difficult, everything is very apocalyptic, there are no weapons, they understand the problem, well, to the cells, so that everything is very everything is hanging on by a thread, and the congress, which is... much calmer , maybe even a little more cynical, both the government is political, and there are these swings, we have the same thing in fact, and the government is the same, well, it is also from the other

side, apparently and cannot fully tell what is the state of affairs, because then people won't believe, you know, people won't believe in a better future, that's why i don't know how to be here, here society needs to be given hope and given cautiously. he's right, even if the situation is critical, it's like this, you know, the shaky is a very thing, here i don't envy anyone, to be honest, in general, you said that right now and such an emotional bottom many people have a feeling of despair, and it seems to me that that these shellings, which russia is conducting these days, are not only for destroying infrastructure of our country, yes, but also, in order to actually undermine the strength of our spirit. to undermine our faith, it seems to me that this is also for this, but it seems to me that the russians do not understand the ukrainians well enough, that ours, on the contrary, unites the group, that they will not achieve anything and they did not achieve through

the process of fear. the shots we saw, the consequences of this shelling, strategically they did not achieve anything at all, they added even more rage, malice, embitterment, and what unites such a ukrainian society, i think, of course, is because everyone is united, all these art attacks, everyone is echoing, everyone is calling back, everyone is asking questions, i see how social networks are buzzing, there are lviv residents, how are we holding up, dnipro, how are we holding up, of course so. and they believe that if they will demonstrate, let's say, such crazy aggressive total force, then they will intimidate someone, it doesn't work here, they can't in any way, this is their main strategic defeat, if they understood this, i don't know ,

would they start. i want to ask you to return to the conversation about telegram channels, we are still with you before the broadcast they talked about it, so we understand that this is a russian network, yes, telegram channels, we understand that a huge number of ukrainians take information from telegram channels, including anonymous ones, we understand that these telegram channels are even invited to a press conference the president, as far as we understand it, along with with media people, yes, with professional, open, independent publications, do you see a threat in the fact that these are telegram channels, and can it happen that at one moment, on some day, the russians will simply decide to replace, well, let's say , to say that the telegram channel is so-and-so, yes, and it will give some completely left-wing information that can simply undermine

ukrainian society, can this happen, are we ready? in fact, they always do this, if some channel of information is liquidated or discredited there or banned, i don’t know what to call it, they will climb through the cracks and continue to do it if we are geographically somehow cut off from them there, although i don’t i know if it's technologists, they can hack some channel, they can, i don't even think so, well, they can keep your editorial offices there in european countries wherever you like and drive this horse from there. yes, that is, well, in the end, their bots work like that, they don’t work only from russia, here, that is, to fight in the digital age, well, it can be recommendations, there are appeals to other governments, that they are something there, but i just don’t i know if it is possible, well, there are specialists who understand this, but in my understanding it is very difficult in the digital age, that is, to control information so much, it is a requirement, i understand that it is very necessary

and... there should be superpowers, but it will be impossible to fully achieve this, that is, they will climb again through some media there and so on, and now the situation is that now, in principle, everyone is equated with the media , including every blogger, everyone who has a social network, he is already his own media, so here it is a difficult situation, in fact, i looked, yesterday i was preparing for the broadcast and saw that the center of opposition. the nsdc is such an institution, according to the monitoring results , they monitored 449 telegram channels, 156 foreign internet resources, hundreds of them youtube channels and 812 speakers, and they recorded about 9,600 destructive messages in about a year, just imagine the number, the rain of these fake,

destructive messages. through in particular and through telegram channels, what gives you optimism then, it seems to me that this story is quite apocalyptic, give a little optimism, as a society, which, let's say, honestly, is not used very much to critical thinking and to critical perception of information, how it will stand in times of war under such and such a shower of fakes and enemies narratives, well, i think this is... the problem was always before every generation, even in the analog era, and my generation, which did not know all this, there was a tv, three channels and so on, we had no alternative sources of information at all , but we haven't become lost in any philosophical sense of the word, so i don't think it will give anything, that's it...