not yours, but on the other hand, this, this, this is true, but maybe because we don't know , it could be that the republican elite are using the border story to keep us out of money, we'll see that next time year, but another important thing is that the very fact that no one in the united states, with the possible exception of donald trump, wants to say out loud that he does not want to give aid to ukraine is more positive than. a negative signal, because in the fact that 2024 will not be easy from the point of view of aid, we knew as far back as 2022, and everybody said that we have to do most of what we can do in 2002, because 2024 is a campaign year in the united states, and a campaign year is never easy, and here there is another very important point that wants to say that this year 2024

actually started in 2020 the third, why? because american lawmakers in the house of representatives elected the speaker of the house for the first time in many years with a completely strange procedural procedure, because the speaker of the house of representatives is a serious figure, he is a person who in his actions must be protected by a certain immunity, so this speaker is given this immunity for a certain time so that he can rule the house. calmly, so that he can not look back at the points of view of individual legislators, so that he can rely on the majority, and the impeachment of such a person can be determined solely by the common will, there seems to me to be a large amount of legislation, now i will not name the figure, how it looked before , kevin mccarthy in his desire to become speaker of the house of representatives, he actually lost his political career, because at the end of this year he is leaving the congress altogether. with this imprudent

decision, he wanted so much, you know, a person really wants, there is some desire, i really want to be the speaker of the house of representatives of the us congress, i can understand that, it is a good job and a historical job, but it is important not to go down in history, don't get caught up in it , that's what, by the way, this year, when people got caught up in history, remember how kevin makartsev went down in history as a short-term speaker, and remember tras's letter, which was a few... weeks prime minister, the prime minister of great britain, he and she too, probably always had the desire to lead the british government, but if you go down in the history of great britain as the shortest -serving head of government, it is exactly what you wanted in life, so that's the question , you see, so it speaks of turbulence absolutely, and here kevin mccarthy becomes the speaker, he actually can't really run the house, and... and later representatives

of such a radical circle in the republican party, which even more zealously than their colleagues focuses on the former president donald trump, they nominate this no confidence, and this speakership begins, and the new speaker of the house of representatives, mike johnson, he understands perfectly well from the experience of his predecessor that he is much more dependent on from congressmen, not from the general... political situation in the country, but from the will of one person, because donald trump, as we have seen, could block the election of anyone who seemed to him too independent a candidate, those whom i called republicans in name only, although in fact trump himself is a republican in name only. and johnson, whatever ideas he may have about his political future, he's forced to target trump, because if he stops doing that, he's going to have the fate of mccarthy, and if you want to...remain

a significant figure in american politics, you need to remain the speaker at least until the elections, until november 2024, yes, because after that it is not known what the majority will be, whether there will be a majority of democrats, whether there will be a majority of republicans, no one knows, what will happen after the elections, but that's why the year 2024 has started for us, unfortunately, 2023, if it weren't for khrestiv, then the speaker of the house of representatives... would absolutely calmly put to a vote the budget for 2024, which i i remind you that the military budget, which was approved only at the end of the year, and the proposal of the president of the united states for aid to ukraine, israel, and taiwan, have not yet been approved. and yes, we faced this turbulence, right up to... the moment when

the decision to allocate this 61 to us would be approved, it seems billion dollars, by and large , how should it be, we should get this 61 billion and... then the turbulence would start , well, that's ideal, yes, and it should be like that, that's what the white house planned, and what would happen by 2025 , no one knows at all, because there everything would already depend on the result of the election of the president of the united states, in fact , no one knows what this result will be today. america is such a country. we are now looking at the ratings, trump is ahead of biden, biden is behind trump, but we know that in america first it does not matter who is ahead of whom, who is not ahead of whom. won trump's presidential election with a million votes, it seems to me a gap, if not more, uh, and with a huge gap and that, completely different, the system of counting is completely different, you need to see what the mood will be in difficult states, just at the time of voting, and this no one can predict,

i remember watching these states right when the clinton-trump contest was going on, and on the one hand, clinton's results kept going up, and states kept losing. and everyone i will say: oh, you see how it can be, because trump understood how he had to conduct an election campaign, he generally worked only in these states, and clinton did not pay such obvious attention to them, and now everyone understands this for sure, and that the same applies to the 2024 elections, how the election campaign will be built, what the american economy will look like, in any case , it is a certain positive for me not only that various alternative moments that are related to help are now being sought. and the fact that the united states itself is still a political elite looking for results, that they were willing to continue, at least the senate in the days before christmas and discuss all this, that they were looking for some compromises related to the border and everything else, and i think that

somehow we have some hope that this issue will be resolved, i would like to hope for it, because i will tell you right away, without this money it will not be easy. to put it mildly. very diplomatically, and if we talk about political, political changes, movements, in general, political life here is a little closer in europe, well, we understand that in a number of in european countries, governments have changed, approaches have changed, the parties that are ultimately in power have changed, and this is extremely important absolutely everywhere, what is the main trend you would notice here, well, here we are? there really isn't any obvious common trend because the elections look enough and the election prospects look too multi-vectored to talk about trends, on the one hand we can talk about

an obvious right trend, huh, but when we talk about an obvious right trend, we we rely primarily on what happened in no the triumph in the party of freedom geert wilders, but christina, the triumph in the party of freedom, not italy a little earlier, yes, italy a little earlier, it is true, but in any case there italy is a complex multi-party coalition in which simply for the first prime minister giorgi meleni's party, the brothers of italy, took the place in the right-wing electorate's sympathies for the simple reason that other right-wing parties had already exhausted their choices.

it is not known how it will be next time, but the very tendency that some people vote for the right and others vote for the left is traditional history for italy, there is simply no such right-wing party as the christian democratic party of the previous republic, but this party has always been the leading party, there has always been a real competition in italy, let us not talk about it for a long time, between the christian democratic party on the one hand, on the other hand between the communist party of italy, it was the second political force in the country and started. due to the joint efforts of the vatican and the mafia, this party managed to stop the formation of the italian government in the post-war years, so much so that it was popular after the collapse of fascism, but this does not mean that there were no people who were supporters of binito abroad, we understand, this split was always there, it remained, all this simply remained, and here i

do not see for italy this is a standard situation, imagine if salvini would have won, not melonia. we would not see any serious changes, by and large, because now the right has won, the democratic party, the next elections may bring victory. to the centrists, it's not even about that, it's about, why did i mention geert wilders, because that's it this success of the freedom party in two weeks is largely due to the events in the middle east and everyone knows it, and if there were no events in the middle east, in the middle east, it says that hamas would not be cutting women's throats and children, they would not have raped and outraged israeli kebutzes there, geert wilders' party in the netherlands would have won the place it should have won according to... the results of previous sociological polls, fifth and sixth there, so once again, on the one

hand, there is an obvious trend of strengthening the far-right forces, yes, this is an alternative for germany, it was also before hamas, it was growing in ratings, it is the swedish democrats, who have a good position in sweden, it is the strengthening of the right, far-right forces, true finns in finland, can this trend ... to continue, this is on the one hand, on the other hand, even slovakia, this is also, by the way, a good example, these are right-wing parties, obviously, on the other hand, there is a victory of the democratic coalition in poland, the party of law and justice cannot be called ultra-right, it's just a classic right, a right-wing force, but still the far-right confederation suffered a serious defeat, it did not strengthen its capabilities and... where many believed that the right would definitely come to power, but

associated with it not even so much a triumph in the traditional right, the fact that they would be able to form a coalition with the far-right fox party, this did not happen, fox suffered a serious defeat in the elections, it was this party, the people's party of spain, that won, everything happened as planned, it won the first place in the elections, by the way, the law and justice party... la first place on elections, these right-wing parties won the elections, but they did not have enough votes to form a government in both spain and poland, and in spain, the democratic left-wing coalition in power led by prime minister pedro sánchez, and in poland , the center-left coalition in power, led by donald tusk, that is, but both law and justice , in fact, and the popular party in spain hoped precisely for the success of ultra. they are just like you said, you see what the trend is, the far right is gaining votes and we will be able to rule together

with them, this did not happen, now let's see what will happen next year, let's say it will be in austria, where once again such an austrian freedom party is now the leader of pre-election sympathies, but to what extent it will be able to be not just a leader, but to form a government, we will see, because even in the netherlands there is nothing like that we do not see, we see the party that won, as, by the way, the popular party in spain, as the party of law and justice. poland, but here the question arises as to how far it is possible to create a coalition, because we constantly find ourselves in a situation during these trends, when the party that wins, it cannot form a coalition because it is politically isolated, the right-wing parties, in their effort to gain power, try to fight for the electorate of the far-right, to please them, as a result they destroy the chances of the far-right and have no chance themselves. agree with other political forces, look, labor, law and justice, if she didn't behave like this all the time, lately,

i would say, it was obvious for polish-ukrainian relations as well, she would definitely have several coalition partners , close to it, with whom it is easy to form a government, let's say there the polish-peasant party is close to it in terms of ideology, but these parties simply behave in such a way when they are in power that then everyone else says, we will not be your partners, we will , conditionally speaking to negotiate. started with the devil from our point of view, from our point of view, but not with you , because you are arrogant, because you are a bastard, you are a bastard, you monopolize everything, you destroy everything, law and justice had to go through it, people's parties had to go through it in spain, because it turned out that she had all the opportunities to form a coalition with various regional parties, but all the catalan fathers of the party there said: listen, your whole ideology is a fight against so-called separatism, vinygu. you want to negotiate with us, you want the police to act , instead of seeking a political

agreement with us, you call us separatists, take us to court, persecute our political leaders, well, sit in the opposition for another four years, what's the difference , agree with your neo-fascists that not enough votes, well, sit in the opposition, who needs you idiots, and this is such a great result, and by the way, when i was watching the... referendum on the independence of catalonia, so -called, which would not be legitimate at all, and i said that i i don't think about what happens with the independence of catalonia, because it is unlikely to be independent in such a situation. but i think about how the prime minister of spain at the time, from the people's party, asnar, destroys the chances of his own political party to ever be at all with his inability to dialogue the authorities in the country, because these measures that he has implemented basically leave him no chance, you can turn a blind eye to what the catalans are, yes, you can turn a blind eye to what is, turn a blind eye to what

it's a shame to think that the police and the supreme court will deal with them, and then the parliamentary elections begin, and it turns out that without these... political forces, in general theirs, well , there is no chance for you to attract power, that then you simply give this power forever to the left, not because the left are generally capable of agreeing on any catalan independence are not capable, but because simply everyone acts to keep you in the opposition for punishment, even the right-wing catalan parties, do not want to do business with you, because you are anti-catalan, because you are a castilian chauvinist. the castilian chauvinist should sit under the bench, and what is happening now with this story reminds me a lot of the soviet union, you know, when they pressed so much that then everything fell apart, in the end to pieces, that you know that after these parliamentary elections in spain have already implemented a solution, again, so that this left-wing government can maintain that it is

now possible to speak castilian, catalan, basque, galician in the spanish parliament. language, and when deputies from the right say, what the hell, well, we all know spanish here, castilian, that is , why can’t we speak the same language in parliament, if when you come to madrid, no one interferes with you there in bilbao or barcelona to talk as you want, why here in madrid, and colleagues say to them, put on your headphones, please, we will now answer you in basque, so you put on headphones and listen, but all this could not happen, that is, it could not happen, if there was ... the ability to dialogue, and this, when we talk about trends, why i talk about this in such detail, in the far right and the right-wing conservatives in general have no capacity for dialogue, and by the way, another trend that will happen next year is the collapse of the conservatives in great britain, ugh, it's already absolutely obvious that they have no chance to stay in power, that the decision of the sunok is simply in charge funeral team, formed

by our beloved boris johnson, who in fact buried the conservative party of great britain with his... populist actions, his support for brexit, it was, it was, and it makes me very happy, because i think that historical justice should work, that if you lie that if you deceive people, that if you create opportunities for a vote that will lead your country into a dead end, then you should disappear from the political scene yourself, i am very happy with boris johnson's fiasco, i hope he never will not be a politician anymore, we are not in the ukrainian trend now. not in the ukrainian trend, of course, but i'm just glad, and i hope that there will be a punishment for the conservative party of great britain, i am absolutely not interested in the ukrainian trend, i know one thing: if great britain would remain a member of the european union, we would not it was necessary for viktor orban to leave the meeting hall during the vote for

ukrainian european integration, you understand that, there was nothing wrong with that, just the vote of britain would have been so much. if now orbán orbán managed to convince giorgi meleni, who cannot be compared to the prime minister of great britain in terms of her influence, so imagine if there was just a prime minister of great britain who would be a supporter of european integration, he would be , britain would be what it is. once, military aid would be much greater from europe, the question of financial aid would be much more serious. here we are talking about how great britain helps us by itself, says: oh, how good, great britain left the european union and can help us independently without all these agreements? well, of course, it's just a geometric progression that works in the other direction. it is not a very big country that can help us, taking into account also the economic situation in which it

found itself as a result of brexit, if it were part of the european union, the european union would not help us with 50 billion dollars, but... because it would one of the flagships, it would be one of the and in order to keep it, you understand, in order to keep hungary in the trend, but simply to tell viktor orbán how to give more money than putin or, to give more money than putin, and in order to get great britain, because the prime minister is great, listen, you do not want to help ukraine, you are against values, and we will leave you altogether, go nafig, well, and this immediately causes, you remember, while great britain... they were telling everyone that it would come out, everyone was ready to fulfill any of their whims, and their whims were pro-ukrainian, and that's it, that now this year. the last prime minister of the time was returned to the government of great britain great britain was still a normal state from the european point of view, part of the european union, david cameron, and how everything changed from

the point of view of the pressure of great britain in foreign policy at once, because david cameron, unlike those many leaders who came to power in the country in as a result of brexit, it must be said right away that this is a political change, immediately returned great britain to this foreign policy, to which everyone. we remember the policy of cooperation with europe and pressure on europe and the ability to talk with the americans accordingly, as part of this common space, and all this was lost, so i understand that ukrainians are very pleased when someone comes to kyiv, which is under surveillance, says beautiful words, but before that this person does everything possible to cause the situation we found ourselves in, because how could she be aware of it? at that moment and lust for power, lack of political intuition, unprofessionalism, by and large you understand that when you leave

the european union, you create an impression on moscow the weaknesses of the west, both by and large brexit, and trumpism, the spawn of putinism, and the inspiration for putinism, and it doesn't matter what boris johnson says after that, because the decisive step that led to the creation of this situation. it's done, it's a huge tragedy , well, there's nothing you can do, so to speak, we're just, these are just my emotional reflections, you know, but they're very valuable, the end, excuse me, the middle of december, and we have a very optimistic decision for us, which puts the beginning of negotiations on our accession to the european union, the eu summit rushed to this decision despite the position of some european leaders, the already mentioned orban and hungary, but let's not bewitch. the path can actually be extremely long, and we will be on this path of negotiations and not only the implementation of agreements, perhaps even for decades,

historical examples of this also exist. together with ukraine , moldova, georgia, bosnia and herzegovina have received certain euro integration prospects, bosnia and herzegovina may get the opportunity to hold negotiations, if it meets the terms of the negotiations, yes well, that is, it is a step forward in everyone's case. each country is definitely different, but there is a trend and there is a signal, a political signal from the european union that they are ready to accept into their ranks countries that, some of them are very traumatized by the russian federation, but simply because of territorial integrity or non-integrity, this is important remarks, kristina, because let's be completely frank, if it were not for russia's attack on ukraine, we are talking about the european integration of ukraine and georgia. and moldova could enter only after how the process of european integration of the western balkan countries ended. by the way, i have always said for years that when we

talk about our european integration, first the balkans, then the process of integration of the western balkans, which is not known when it will end, must be completed first , and then it will be possible to talk about the post-soviet space, and for in order for it to be different, it is necessary that something so... hair, which i don't even want to think about now, because there are no objective prospects for it, and here it is, it, on alas, it happened, this is a war, a war that forced the west to look more seriously towards the post-soviet space and the aspirations of those peoples who would like to be part of the european family, and these are primarily ukraine, georgia and moldova, and i will remind you , that when they were creating... the eastern partnership initiative, and the initiators, by the way, were the then minister of foreign affairs of sweden, karl bilt, and the then minister of foreign affairs of poland, radysław sikorski, who

returned to his position in the new government of donald tusk, the idea was just in so that we do not get anywhere, something is being created for us such a club of soviet republics in which we have to sit and not whine, and even the association agreement did not change anything significantly from this point of view, and now rodoslav syukorsky, one of the most active together with his prime minister'. predicted because that's how politicians always predict everything, only johnson didn't predict brexit in this aspect, well ok didn't, became the prime minister of great britain, would you like to become prime minister of great britain, no, but that's another story, strange , seeing for the first time a woman who does not want to be. to be a member of the verkhovna rada, but i would become the prime minister of great britain, a member of the european parliament, i don't mind either, right? well, but anyway, so in that regard, i have to

say. that it's quite like that, no, i just thought that after margaret thatcher, everyone has an opportunity to show femininity and political abilities, and why not goldameyer, maybe it's my collar, after all, it's more elegant than margaret thatcher, no, well, it's already a delicacy, you know, good , this really is another conversation we have, anyway, just to become golden, you have to be, become a grandmother, buy yourself an avoska, i just don't see you like that, well, let me live to... well, in any case, if we're serious, then eh, it's also a huge step forward, the very fact that we are candidates for membership of the european union, so many countries have been candidates for many years, but they are still part of this space, these are joint meetings, these are summits, are they not in some countries outside, countries that will be in, this money for the country. candidates, this is

a change in legislation, this is a process, uh, this completely different possibilities from the point of view of economic and political cooperation there, and these simply understand where the end, by the way, this end will depend largely on us , because turkey, in principle , stopped changing its legislation, at some point, it stopped, didn't it? negotiations, but the process of european integration, because its... new leadership, when recep tayyip erdoğan came to power, made a different, if you will, geopolitical choice, not even in favor of someone else, in favor of turkey, that is, so that turkey itself itself was an alternative force, there is the west, there is the east, and there is turkey, by the way, as it was during the ottoman empire, it was like that, and erdogan sees politics that way, no one said that one of his heirs will not return to the idea of ​​participation, it is difficult say. but you know,

an experiment is still needed, the european union still remains, if you will, such a fortress of christian civilizations. when albania and bosnia and herzegovina are finally admitted to the european union, well, we'll see what europe will look like, they will be the first states with a muslim huge by the number of the population , not migrants, but autochthonous residents in both bosnia and albania, who will be part of the european family, and this can be to some extent the answer to the question, what will happen to turkey in the future, from its european integration, because so far, we are talking about this only theoretically and from the point of view of civilization, because it has not happened yet, but it may happen, because of all

the countries of the western balkans, it is albania. shows the fastest progress in terms of reforms, i hope that this country, together with north macedonia will quickly be able to overcome this path, but here it is important that this war showed that these processes can develop in parallel, who would have thought that the federal chancellor of austria would set conditions for ukraine and moldova to agree to negotiations, offers. regarding the start of negotiations for bosnia and herzegovina, the same should not have happened in principle, because everyone perfectly understood that before this balkan process is finished, the ukrainian and moldovan ones will not begin, but you are right that there are quite serious questions on the future, but this is a question for the future, what to do with the territorial integrity of ukraine, moldova and georgia, i also think about it all the time, that it is a very serious problem. let's take a short break and in the second part of this conversation we will talk about expectations for 2024

. and in general, will we try somehow ungratefully, as always, to predict what we should do, how we should live? let's observe a moment of silence in memory of the ukrainian military and civilian citizens of ukraine who died in the war started by russia.