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the espresso tv channel. verdict with serhiy rudenko. from now on in a new two-hour format. even more analytics, even more important topics, even more top guests. foreign experts, inclusion from abroad. about ukraine, the world, the front, society, and feedback. you can express your opinion on the bad day with a phone survey. turn on and turn on. verdict. with serhiy rudenko every weekday from 8 p.m. to 22 for espresso. congratulations to everyone from espresso, from espresso also to our guest serhii sgorets, director of information and consulting of the defense express company. mr. serhiy, glory to ukraine. glory, i congratulate you. see, it would seem on new year's eve. this mass attack would have

, according to the logic of our official spokesmen at the official single telethon, who are talking like this, and then for a couple of months it is necessary to collect everything, hang it up, adjust it, that is, prepare for the next attack, here literally a day has passed and another mass attack, again yes combined shahedi, and then all types of missiles, including hypersonic ones, and... and everything that was told to us in a single telethon, then looks like nonsense. so they have the reserves, they have the ability to raise so many bombers and very quickly replenish missiles under the wings, so are we misreading what is being fed to us on tv? well, unfortunately, i did not look at the results of the general marathon, i know that now the enemy has really launched a second massive attack. the previous one was on the 29th,

it was powerful enough then used a considerable number of shaheids and 90 cruise missiles, of which 85 were shot down, but this attack will not, i think, be inferior in intensity to that of the 29th, because now this attack there began there as early as ten o'clock on the first number, when they took off, the shaheds were launched, the shaheds then... flew to the territory of ukraine, were distributed in different regions, then at this time, when the last shaheds were shot down, and all 35 shaheds that were launched by the enemy were shot down already at this time took place with the launch of cruise missiles from there from 16 tu95 bombers, the cruise missiles were divided into two groups, then when these missiles flew there to our ob'. standing

there at about 7 o'clock in the morning already in the interval between the flight of rockets, the enemy launched the first batch of daggers, and then, when the hasto1 was already falling , there were launches of the second series of daggers, and in fact , based on the daggers, we can say that there will surely be a record for the launches of e daggers in one attack, because either 11 or 12 12 dagger planes were used in total, probably about 10 dagger launches such was, so far i have not seen the final results. in any case, we hope that the effectiveness of the air defense system was sufficiently high, as in previous repulses of russian attacks, but we understand that now the enemy quite deliberately ensures such a short period of time between the powerful attack on the 29th and this attack, so

that make the most of the variation when it is possible to ensure that our air defenses are overwhelmed. we are targets in a short period of time, well, on the one hand, and on the other hand, to exhaust the stocks of missiles in certain samples, what the opponents are hoping for, i don’t even include what, and clarify one more point, look, we already have preliminary information officially that all shahed 35 flew, 35 were destroyed, 60 missiles ha 55- 5005s, 101- x, a dozen daggers were destroyed, that is, it was actually an attack that took place 2.5 days after the previous massive attack, do we have the opportunity in such a short time to restart, recharge the entire air defense system, which they are trying so hard to exhaust in combination in the

last days. will it all be possible again soon? restore to 100%, charge reset? well, in fact, we are talking about what i use to repel enemy attacks. is the entire arsenal, starting with mobile groups with machine guns, with manpads, with various means such as wasp, cheetah, and ending with the most powerful air defense systems that we have at our disposal, in particular, the patriot air defense system. in any case, of course, the recharge rate is extremely fast, because this is one of the indicators that is extremely important in determining there. to maintain the stability of work anti-aircraft defense, and here i would not be too biased by the rate of preloading, because our military does it extremely quickly, the question is whether there was a sufficient supply of missiles and ammunition and how this supply should be optimally

divided so as not to use scarce missiles there of foreign production to shoot down targets that are cheaper, therefore... it was precisely the enemy who tried to use this attack in a sufficiently complex way, when in a short period of time different targets are used in the air in a sufficiently dense a situation that requires an extremely high level of training from our anti-aircraft defense, and on the other hand, an understanding that we must at the same time remember what targets to destroy and with what, understanding that this attack may not be the last. mr. serhiy , during... already in the last week , these attacks have intensified so much, they have become somewhat different from what we observed before, that is, the enemy is changing his tactics, and we can see that not only the people of old constantinople are being mercilessly attacked in terms of residential buildings and civilians, until which

we have become accustomed to over the past months, er, what, what do they want to achieve with this , what do they want to achieve, what are they planning and these new tactics of theirs, is this something that... can we focus on in the near future, can they, in view of some previous practice, still invent something new for the near future? well, today's attack is actually close to the maximum of russian capabilities, because when we talk about the number of missiles that touch the daggers there, about the number of tu-95 aircraft, in fact, from the point of view of launchers, it is close to the maximum. and then i understand that the enemy first of all set a number of goals , tasks, because given the short interval between the previous attack, one way or another, i think that part of these strikes were aimed at destroying the air defense systems first of all, because they count on it a lot, because then it

will make it easier for them to strike there with ishahed or cheaper weapons. on the other hand, the mass use of kh101 missiles is actually an attempt to ... strike critical, energy, and military industrial facilities, because these missiles are expensive for the enemy, programming them in the field requires from two days to two weeks, and i think that this attack is a logical continuation of the previous attack using the hasto of the first, because the time to change the program task of the task was... extremely short, i think that they were trying to strike again at the targets that they had already tried to destroy last time, i do not rule out that there are critical infrastructure facilities, industrial facilities, defense-industrial facilities objects are located in

important hierarchy of russian attempts to inflict damage on us there, although we understand that the use of kh-22, shaheds or cheaper models, it is directed in principle. already on such a terrorist orientation in order to strike our cities, because these objects, these targets are actually a means of impression, they are not accurate, but they, as we can see, really ... fly over our civilian cities and in this way, the enemy surely hopes to shake our people's resistance to defense, but of course this will not happen. if so lasted, you need to plan one such big attack, that is, if they have something planned for there, let's say, the next two weeks, they already know about it, and are preparing for it, the peculiarity of russian long-range missiles is that they cannot re-target them into the air and the programming of the kha-101 takes there, well, i said, two days, in fact, from

four days to two weeks, because it is necessary to lay out a route in such a way that, relatively speaking, this missile is not shot down, so that it approaches there there from an unexpected angle, and this campaign on the 29th and on this date, i think these are elements of one planned, combined strike that the enemy carried out, if... the russians want to go to zero in terms of stockpiles of kha-101 missiles, given that they are there they used 90 there last time, now i think it’s also 70, they accumulated about 200 there during this period of time, so i think that theoretically they have a reserve for one combined strike using the g-101, then they will have to accumulate again for several months, huh, but in this case, in a combo attack, he therefore... insists that most of the missiles fly directly at the civilian

population, and these high-precision missiles are aimed at military targets, and in this case, how do you estimate their effectiveness, because we understand, in propaganda, they believe all the time that all the targets were military and all of them are affected, but in reality the ratio, let's say so, out of 10 such dagger launches on military objects, whether at least 10% of them achieve their goal or not, how can it be evaluated to understand, as they say, well, now we'll see statistics on daggers, because that's exactly what we have kyiv should cover the complex specifically for patriots and mr. serhiy, i will add, because literally in these minutes there was information from so that our air defense managed to eliminate a dozen daggers that night, that's why i asked about the coefficient of effectiveness, it's actually a colossal indicator, honestly i say say, if 11 or 12 daggers were launched there, if 10 of them were shot down, these are incredible indicators,

because relatively speaking, if even 20% of enemy missiles are shot down, then according to the requirements of nato countries, this means that there is a system air defense works effectively, if we shoot down 80-90% there, then these are extremely good indicators, by the way, from cruise missiles, it seems that when olishchuk said that... in the last year there were 1,045 out of 1,360 shot down there, that is, in fact almost all the missiles were shot down, if we say that we can shoot down their daggers with such intensity, then i simply express deep respect for our air defense system, we do too, mr. sergey, and you know, we spend a lot of time on kyiv, because it is our the capital, but kharkiv, which is not so far away, was actually lucky for him... that's right less because of the proximity to the russian federation, first of all, now we will show footage

from kharkiv, look, these holes are huge, like this one, if it is very interesting, because this was a combination of s-300 ballistics, and then the daggers went, here is such a depth of the hole, this, this is still the work of a dagger or something, in fact , there are s-300 and s-400 missiles. they left blasts of the same size, yes, that is, relatively speaking , they detonate not less than a meter of the ground there, in fact, these are blasts that can be from the s300, because in kharkiv, the enemy usually uses ballistics of this category, where, considering that it is cheaper for the enemy, the work of daggers in kharkiv, we will probably wait for confirmation, but we understand that... we have nothing to shoot down daggers over kharkiv, unlike kiev, if 12 daggers were launched into the mine, 10 were shot down over

kyiv, and these two over kharkiv, so i think they could have hit somewhere, let's wait for some more reliable data. thank you, mr. serhiy, serhiy zgurets, director of the information and consulting company defense, was from defenseexpress was with us, by the way, the russians have already confirmed that the missile that did not reach ... adolf putin's visit to the hospital, where he said that ... there will be new attacks on ukraine after the flight over belgorod, and as soon as we confirmed and our attentive viewers heard, it takes time to prepare such attacks, and accordingly, when there was an attack on belgorod, look at the calendar , in a word, this chekist lied all his life, he is also lying here, it was a long- planned attack, and it

has nothing to do with belgorod, let's continue conversation, kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary committee of the supreme council on national security, defense and intelligence , a colonel of the security service of ukraine is already on our air. mr. roman, we congratulate you. good morning. mr. roman, i'm just curious, when such complex, large-scale attacks are being prepared, they are adjacent to a military attack, a terrorist attack, plus it is intensified by attacks on the front line, do we have the ability with our counterintelligence and other means? of the special services to find out in advance about the preparation of such massive strikes or not yet, you know, we can openly say here you can't talk about it, we definitely have different opportunities in our special services in different ways, including bura, including in its security service of ukraine, which is also actively

working on that side, so we see that the main thing what we see is when... the planes take off or they stop for refueling, let's say , when they are loaded with ammunition, we see that directly related to the preparation of such large actions, well, sometimes they warn, sometimes they don't, but that's already a question to the special services, and i think that there is your resources that allow you to see in advance. mr. roman, i would like to talk more about the sea, about sea drones, yesterday we all admired those shots of sea babies, mamay, saw their real possibilities, but there is a nuance, it is called elon musk and his ilk, already confirmed information that he turned off the communication when the operation was being carried out, the tactaring turned off,

accordingly, there was no communication, the drone could not work properly and we could actually lose much more. than was lost then, although the information was useful that was gained. or can we do something so as not to be dependent on such people, because i am not sure whether today's fire in the salon with teslas will somehow affect this person, and accordingly, we still need to work in the sea, we have drones, or whether we can find an alternative? well, if we could, it is very... difficult to find an alternative to starlink, because it is not the tool itself, which, yes, it is a receiver, but it is a matter of having satellites that directly position it and make it possible to access the internet, because it is the same complex , so it's very difficult and the whole world is using it starlinks, those who can, ee regarding

alternatives, i think our western partners need to work here, and they have already shown it after they were really disconnected. they took some part for themselves and gave us the opportunity to continue working with these sterling, so this is just a conversation with our partners. mr. roman, the option here is as follows: we understand that it is impossible to demand something from a private company and one of the richest people in the world, elon musk, and the united states government also said about it that we do not interfere, but there is another thing, there is the fact that demanded at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, musk said that he was doing it out of the kindness of his heart for us. then the pentagon paid for all this, that is, are we guaranteed in the future that since elon musk's company receives funds, the pentagon pays for them, that he will no longer be able, even looking and kissing the portrait of his native donald trump,

he will not be able to cut the connection for the armed forces forces of ukraine, because it is already beyond his capacity as a private entrepreneur who received money? look, well, first you have to in general, to say about the influence of the very beginning of sterlink, yes, there are operations there that he turned off, but i will say that practically all communications in the army are now on starlinks, so it’s easy to constantly criticize musk, this is a story that ukraine and i also held on for the sake of the armed forces because we had this connection, if it hadn't been there, anything could have happened. completely different, and now all communication is mostly at the forefront on starlinks, and this is very important, so we need to communicate clearly here. diplomatically and do everything diplomatically for so that this connection is not turned off, there and with criticism also be very careful. as far as whether or not elon

musk could, the question after it was shut down, as far as i know the united states government, he bought some of it and paid off those very starlinks and made a commitment that they wouldn't shut down, so i... hopefully they've agreed on all of that and now they'll, now they can turn off if they need to, of course, it's all technology from our partners, and in that regard we are very dependent on them, mr. roman , putin is obviously talking about it, threatening new attacks, telling us that it is all because of belgorod, every time there is some new reason, what will he do, are we ready, yes, can we... predict some new actions, new attacks, new tactics, as it was during the last week, and is our country ready to protect

citizens, ready, if we already know about some possible points, and yes, to take people from there, so that there is no victims, well, this is about the same question that we considered at the beginning, that i think that if they knew for 100%. at the same time, the question of the tactical and technical characteristics of the missiles depends on the tt, and we see how the russians constantly, well, a cruise missile, you can lay out a route for them and it can fly all over ukraine and in the end fly to a place where no one expected, so this the task of the special services once again so that they can obtain information precisely on the impression points planned by the russian federation, i am here mr. roman, i have something else in mind. uh, on the eve of a full-scale invasion, of course, no one notified anyone, though it was already known, yes, when it will happen , even the hour was known, eh, or now, when

, if we have any concrete information, is the state ready to take responsibility and take care of people, and not not to notify, so that there is no some kind of panic and chaos, i am asking about it now, well, i hope that there is no such thing anymore, it is... the information is there, if there is, then it is there at the level, i repeat once again, of the special services and the top leadership of the state, and i hope that if they, our government, our special services know 100% that they will beat such and such civilian house, they evacuate this house, or evacuate everything around it, i say again, it is not so easy to get this information, likewise, if the russian federation is planning, they have this information quite closed and... and there they aim at the base are introduced, i think, at the last moment, sometimes i will tell you that even the pilots do not know, they just make launches, they know that they are hitting ukraine, but they are hitting according to the coordinates,

sometimes not understanding what is in those coordinates, this also happens, they bomb by coordinates, it is called in military slang, that's why the russians are also interested in keeping the information from leaking out, well, i hope that we have already passed the stage when we say that we know everything, but at the same time we will not tell people anything, this... it was already stated on the beginning of the war, the war, you are right, but it was quite wrong, and now i hope that it does not happen. mr. roman, thank you for the clarification, participation in our program, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence, colonel of the sbu, about today's morning attacks and stories that preceded it. from kharkov, sinyohobov reports already about 44 injured persons, among them... five children, three nine-year-old boys, six- and 13 -year-old girls, they have blast injuries, bruises and acute reactions to stress. and

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