than any other, and putin uses it quite well, it should be noted, because, unfortunately, the canned goods he left in the west are actually very, very many. well, not only in the west, but also in the east, if we take the statement of the self-proclaimed president of belarus lukashenka that zelensky began to understand that the political way to resolve the conflict in ukraine, as he said, is hers. lukashenko said this during his visit to moscow, where the meeting of the eurasian economic union or cooperation summit was held was, and what lukashenko said, let's listen , i think that's the best chance, we'll work with them somehow more closely so that they understand that this is the only chance, if they don't take advantage of it, there will be a total collapse, military and military or political decisions . and

they have gone to politics, the military are oppressing , as i have always said, the military sees what is happening, the pressure is very strong, you probably already noticed from zelensky's press conference that he is beginning to understand, well , excuse me, call him a political string, just putin , and this political shoelace, he has been making statements for the past two years and he is a classmate. of putin's aggression against ukraine, his country was the site from which russian troops entered on february 24, 2022, and now the 23rd year is passing, i still have the same question, why are we still in diplomatic relations from belarus, well, i don't have an answer to these questions, maybe you, mr. volodymyr, could clearly outline the role of lukashenka during this war and... some kind of warm attitude of ukraine

towards official minsk, because in the conditions war, it seems to me that we should put an end to all the questions, and in particular the question of who and what is belarus in this war? you see, mr. sergey , why do you behave towards lukashenko, well, because, well, he perfectly understands how... it is important for him to cling to putin, because the end of putin, political or physical, is equal to the end of lukashenko, politically or physically, it is a direct dependence , that is, this is something that, i think, he has already understood for a very, very long time, and because of this he will lick putin and repeat him frenzy as much as necessary, he

simply has no other way out, this is the connection that is lifesaving for lukashenka, as long as there is putin, as long as there is lukashenka. regarding belarus , you know, i think that we should not cross out the future of belarusians, due to the fact that they, unfortunately,... have been under the yoke of their kolkhoz so-called president for so many years, belarusians are europeans, belarusians are a european people with traditions and european culture, they will definitely return to europe after muscovy in its current form will collapse. therefore, break relations with belarusians, with belarus. people, well, it would be completely

unfair and wrong, we are probably the closest to the belarusians, the people who are on this earth, ethnically, geographically, historically, because we, both slavic peoples, close peoples, friendly peoples, peaceful peoples , so there is an understanding here that we should still think about the future. of this country and our closest neighbor, regarding diplomatic relations, here i completely agree with you, it's not about the people, it's about the government, and i said this a long, long time ago, and to be honest, i still can't understand what we lose by breaking off these relations, because they don't really exist, well, the very concept of diplomatic relations it provides that

the countries agree to develop friendly relations in various spheres, political, economic, humanitarian, cultural, sports. any, well we don't have any friendly relations with belarus in any field, so your question is completely valid, to be honest, i don't know and i can't give self-explanation, why should we formally keep these relations, which in reality do not exist. thank you, mr. volodymyr, i will remind our tv viewers that we are working... immediately on several platforms on the air of the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, the nato secretary general stated that russia will no longer achieve the goals of its invasion of ukraine, the secretary general of the north atlantic alliance noted that russian president putin has lost ukraine

forever, even despite great military efforts, russia will not be able to achieve its goals in ukraine, and after two years of war, ukraine is closer to nato and... the eu than ever. the year 2023 was quite difficult for ukraine, because we sought to receive an invitation to join the north atlantic alliance. in july , the summit of the north atlantic alliance was held in vilnius, we were told that they see us in the future in nato, but we did not receive an invitation. in december, we received the go-ahead from the leaders of the european union. on the fact that we can start negotiations with the member countries of the european union, how do you assess the foreign policy successes this year 2023, could we get much

more than we have? i, mr. serhiy, will start with this quote that is on your screen right now, and it is true, russia... will no longer achieve the goals it dreamed of, it will never defeat ukraine, and this is an obvious fact, the only thing i would much more like mr. stoltenberg or other european and american politicians to formulate this opinion in a slightly different way, that ukraine should achieve the goals it has set for itself, and these are the goals we just talked about. .. when the russian troops will be thrown out, knocked out of ukrainian land, when they compensate us for the damage caused to us, when russia will be punished, punished and specifically

for those who committed crimes, and in general, when it will be really demilitarized, demilitarized, and god forbid, and transformed into completely different structures that are being formed on its territory, i think that a change, so to speak, of such rhetoric, it would help our western partners to quickly come to the conclusion that it is necessary to change both the forms of aid and the forms of protection of ukraine, and here i approach your question about nato, yes... we did not get what we wanted in vilnius, perhaps our expectations were somewhat exaggerated, but our desire to have stable and guaranteed

security is not exaggerated. yes, we can't join nato during war, that's obvious, but we can get the tools that we will use to... so that the russian enemy understands that one more step against ukraine, or rather, every next step against ukraine will cost him more and more, but with this, i think, we should go to the washington summit and to ensure that we start at least the same procedure that we have now along the lines of the european union, the beginning of negotiations, it is not guaranteed that these negotiations will end tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, it is a very difficult process, it is something that has to go through and it will not be easy to go through, considering on many factors both on

the battlefield and off the battlefield, see how much hungary is blocking sweden's entry into nato, without regard to the fact that they have no... common points of contact, neither positive nor negative, and so on. hence this topic will remain, it seems to me, very relevant and the main thing on the agenda of our foreign policy, if we talk about the results of the 23rd year, then it seems to me that they are more than positive in the sense that the decision to start the negotiation process with the european union is not about technical details, it is not about the fact that we need to adapt several thousand documents to european standards. it's not about the fact that we have to close there 30 or more suitable still

for admission, it's about a political decision, it's about a decision about what was finally taken away in the west ukraine to its political space, which means that there will be no more talks about ukraine, in russia, between russia and ukraine, in the gray zone, or in some other zone, no, and this is a political decision that is fundamental, it is already in the minds of our western partners is part of their space, and i think the significance of this decision is really hard to overestimate, it is something that will guarantee us one hundred percent, and at the same time in the near term, joining both alliances, so of course it will not be a gift, yes of course we have to pay for it again. and to pay dearly, because these are not easy processes, but this is a guaranteed ticket to the european

union and and and and i think in the near future also to nato, and these are fundamental things that happened right now in 23, so if we talk about such strategic results, in my opinion they are more than positive. and this, mr. volodymyr, is the answer to the question as to which... articulated or to the problems articulated by putin himself during the munich security conference in 2007, his famous munich speech, when he spoke about the fact that russia will never put up with the fact that it is not one of the poles of world politics and reproached the west for expanding the east and reproached its european partners for the fact that they somehow do not treat russia the same way, is that so? differently, but the 23rd year was the year when putin received this answer, i.e. after

16 years, why did the west take so long to react to what putin tried to say and do later, because in the seventh year, well, that’s how they treated it performance, rather shrugging our shoulders, our european partners, in the 23rd year, the european union and nato made it clear to putin that... europe and the space surrounding russia will not be as putin imagines. this is absolutely, you see, and here the examples of two northern countries, finland and sweden, are simply indicative. i talked a lot with finnish colleagues earlier, and when asked if they were thinking about joining nato, i heard the same thing. yes, no, well... the idea of ​​neutrality has become so ingrained in our society, we

have become so accustomed to it, it suits us, we don't need anything else, that the actual topic accession to nato in general was really so irrelevant, if not so speculative, and now we see what happened, and by the way, look how interestingly moscow reacted to it. that is, there was no such thing that would turn the political system of russia at once, well, let's not forget, from the finnish border to st. petersburg, it's something like 60 or 70 km, that is, it's not even minutes of flight, it's seconds approach, and at the same time, no tragedy happened, so putin said that he would form some... leningrad military the district, well, it’s like that, it

’s in order to tell his wards that he is powerful, he still has the strength for some district there, although he does not have reserves to replenish the thousands killed in one day in the war against ukraine, so this from the category of fakes, and look how different the topic of ukraine's potential membership in nato is so far. no, under no circumstances, nothing, we will not allow it, because it is a threat to the security of russia, well, absolutely delusional. this is not really a threat to russia's security, it is a threat to of the ideological existence of russia, russia, which takes upon itself what does not belong to it, our history, our culture, our traditions and so on and so forth, is its own trimming, or rather, cutting off its historical roots, which they encroach on and which

they want to prove in this world that they are theirs, and this is where the most important problem is actually for... putin, he is afraid of losing what they have already stolen and what they have been projecting and projecting for many centuries of the west about their exclusivity, about his majesty, about their cultural traditions, about their slavicness and so on. that is why there is such a terrible and frantic opposition to the idea, the very idea of ​​ukraine joining nato, because it means that it will be finished. but i agree with you , sir. sergei, whatever he did there, and whatever tantrums he tortured there, it's all just a matter of time. uh, let's defeat putin, defeat his fascist regime, and believe me, uh, it won't even take a few months for the situation to change. we will also be in the european union, we will also be in nato, regardless of what

are shouting now, or will they ever shout in this under-empire. mr. volodymyr, let's go back to what is happening in the united states of america, it is clear that there are two main candidates, probably two, maybe a little more, will have the opportunity to run for the presidency of the united states of america, the elections there will be held on november 5, 24 , in the state of colorado, the supreme court of the state disqualified donald trump as a candidate for the presidency of the united states of america. and forbade him to participate in the state primaries, because the primaries should be held on the 5th march, and this may affect trump's status in the state in the general presidential election. what is this disqualification , does it mean for the course of the presidential campaign, to what extent should this case and this

decision be a precedent, because we are talking about trump's involvement in the events of january 6, 2021, when... a mob of his supporters broke into the congressional building and in fact, could this be the reason that trump will not be allowed to the primaries in other states, and as a result, he simply will not be able to run for president? well mr. sergey, here the answer lies in the competence of the us supreme court. if he agrees with the logic. what the court in colorado decided, then, uh, then, actually, you don't even have to wait for march, then, i think, in many states, such decisions will be made, which will mean that trump will really lose his chances to to win, yes, he could be the republican nominee, but

if, say, he were to say no in a few key states, well, that would mean he 'd lose some very serious support, because we we remember the last elections, they were elections , as they say, nose to nose, that is , everything was so close that we must be very, very careful to talk about each state here and understand that each of them can be decisive, so let's we will wait for the decision. the supreme court of the united states, but this will not really be the end of the story, because there are a lot of cases against him, the cases are not even at the stage of consideration in many cases, they will be somewhere in the spring

of the 24th year, and then we will see, what actually happens if... these verdicts are for him negative, well, i don't know how americans will elect a president who has been convicted, even to such administrative fines or something like that. mr. volodymyr , you talked about the fact that it is important for ukraine to maintain equal relations with a representative of one party, with... a candidate from one party and from another, but can trump's victory in the presidential elections of the united states of america change the policy of the united states. states of america, regarding ukraine, because we hear trump's rhetoric, but to what extent are these fuses there are americans, how effective are they

and do they not allow, relatively speaking, any candidate who wins to radically change their foreign policy, well, we are interested in this first of all in the context of aid to ukraine and in the context of our war against russia? well, mr. serhiy, no one has the role of personality in history. did not cancel, it is obvious that every political leader brings his accents, his logic, his vision of what is good, what is bad, trump is no exception in this regard, he has specific views on many problems of an international nature, but you are very right when you say that there is everything there so that any... which, well, let's say it as one of our ukrainian philologists said, because of this or that candidate, they would be restrained, and this

would not harm the democratic system. well, the last example is that congress made a decision about the impossibility of the us withdrawing from, let's say, nato, if even the president speaks for it without... the permission of congress, this is , i think, a great example of how the legislative power controls the executive , you can dream of leaving nato, well, dream to your health, but as long as the representatives of the people, the same as you, do not vote for it, there will be no such decision, that is why i think that despite the fact that many people are afraid of trump as a person who is very often makes, well, let's say, unexpected, let's say , delicate decisions, one way or another, if we

are talking about the american system, it will balance at the expense of the position of the congress, at the expense of the same bipartisan position, because, you should not paint the republicans as some exclusively trumpists. some kind of you know, there are already too many radical groups, there are already adequate and at the same time the vast majority of politicians, politicians who perfectly understand that it is necessary to help ukraine, that it is necessary to defeat russia, because otherwise russia will defeat the united states of america, so i would not i would not take the position, you know, of such an alarmist type, that if even trump comes to power, then this... this, the end of everything, we are without help and so on, i think not, i think that, that, which, by the way,

will take place in ukraine even before the elections in the usa battlefield, will very seriously affect the position of any president, regardless of what his last name will be. and what is happening now in the congress of the united states of america with a vote or not to vote for aid. ukraine will also have an impact on the battlefield in 2024, 61 billion dollars, the us congress has yet to vote, already next year, and the european union must also give the go-ahead for 50 billion euros of aid to ukraine, the lack of these decisions according to you, mr. volodymyr, and the united states of america and... the union after all raids, that is, they will do it in order to have this money, because i think that both

washington and brussels understand exactly what this money means at this stage of the war, especially in 2024 for ukraine. well, mr. serhiy, i think that the middle of january will be very positive for ukraine in this regard, i hope that... and the congress has allocated this money, and the european union will find tools on how to quickly help ukraine, everyone understands this very well, for what and why besides, let's not forget that glory is now for god's sake, talks about the confiscation of russian sovereign assets in the west have intensified, and it's not 60 billion, it's 50 billion for four years, and it's more. and if finally this decision , the political decision will be made first at the level of seven, and then it will definitely go

further, so to speak, and cover. all civilized countries, then this is the reservoir of money that will help us very, very seriously, you know, to hit the russian army with russian money, in my opinion, this is the highest diplomatic aerobatics, i really hope that by joint efforts and we will demonstrate to ukraine and the west that we can do such outstanding diplomatic things, well, this arrest is 300. what will this mean for russia and for its assets, not only those arrested in these countries, because we are talking about european countries, we are talking about the united states america, will it be painful and painful for putin's regime, because we see that 12 packages of sanctions from union, we see large

sanctions against the russian federation from the united states of america, great britain, that is, we see how large organizations, large powers work against russia, and russia still finds opportunities to sell its oil, its gas, it still finds opportunities to exchange goods or import these goods from third countries, fourth countries, which and... all its questions related to industrial production, if these assets are taken away from russia , and obviously the next logical step would be a complete embargo on the supply of energy carriers from russia, this could in principle finish off russia or not, well absolutely, and you know, mr. sergey, well , i'm just following the reaction in moscow to

the appearance of these conversations. that is already in the west are almost agreeing on the nationalization of these assets, and this is hysteria, hysteria, starting with nabiulina, who is considered the savior of the russian economy under these circumstances, and she really, as economists say, i trust their opinion, so far more or less skillfully led the russian economic the car on these very difficult... reefs, which are instructed, but she already says that we need to prepare for very unpleasant times, that is, she also understands that in the case of the nationalization of these assets of russia, there will be a seam, that is, the russian economy will lose a lot, and let's not forget that now there are

positive changes in the context of sanctions. look, americans , just recently they introduced sanctions against oil, additional sanctions against the fact that oil is not traded above these same 60 dollars, and the circle of companies that are engaged in the gray transportation of this oil is narrowing, and let's not forget, that now the americans have started... to press the subject of liquefied gas, which russia still uses and uses very well, so you know, the economic boa constrictor is there , the only question is how to use it in order not to harm, well, actually the world prices for oil and gas, so that they do not jump when russia simply stops supplying the world market with its products. it

would also be wrong, so this is a step-by -step well-thought-out logic and policy, and it seems to me that russia is simply being given another signal, just a little more, and it could be quite bad, so think, dear russians, whether you need it or not you will crawl away and you will to do so that finally this adventure is more or less normal for you so far. it's over, otherwise there will be a collapse, but what lukashenko said about ukraine, i think, with absolute one hundred percent confidence, we need to direct it at russia, a little more, and despite the fact that sanctions will be strengthened, holes will be patched where they can be circumvented, russian, russian money will be confiscated, and aid will be provided, but then...