the world market for its products, it would also be wrong, that is why this is a step-by-step well -thought-out logic and policy, and it seems to me that russia is simply being given another signal, just a little more, and it could be quite bad, so think, dear russians, do you like it is it necessary , or will you crawl back and do things so that finally this adventure... for you has already ended more or less normally, otherwise there will be a collapse, but about what lukashenko said about ukraine, i think it is necessary with absolute one hundred percent confidence to direct at russia, a little more, and despite the fact that sanctions will be strengthened, holes will be patched where they can be circumvented, russian russian money will be confiscated, and aid will be provided, and then... and for this understate, i

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so, 2023 was extremely difficult for ukraine. we survived large-scale attacks on ukraine's energy infrastructure. unfortunately, they lost bahmud, hoped for a counteroffensive, and also witnessed an ecological disaster after the destruction of kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station. actually, there were many events, there were many statements, there were many hopes and a lot. there were victories, in particular in the foreign political sphere. how do you, my dear friends, rate this year, how was this year for you personally, ola? well, you know, on the one hand, we can say that this year we really endured, especially last winter, when, well, remember last winter, by this time we had no light there, well, practically, there were always some... problems that

don't even exist now, but on the other hand, you know it, it's like that year ee to a certain degree of loss, illusions, apparently, that is possible. win the war in one fell swoop, or that we can afford to rely heavily on external forces, so i think the lesson we've learned from this year is that we have to be very self-sufficient in many areas, and we have to strive for it, but if we make this conclusion, it will be what determines our victory. thank you, antina, well... now you said an extremely important phrase, it was, i think, i'm paraphrasing my colleague a little, it was a farewell to illusions, yes, because at the beginning full-scale invasion, when everyone lived on the one hand, in such a huge neurosis, yes, experiencing every day, there almost

every hour, then everyone received such a shock of easy arrest and certain hopes appeared, which were multiplied by one or another hope, that here the americans are about to... they will push, the european union is about to finally put pressure on berlin, berlin will find an opportunity to single out taurus, well, this 23rd year, it was a year, on the one hand, a year of saying goodbye to illusions, on the other hand , it was laying what a tough, slow, but civilizational perspective, when we talk , for example, about the realization of the deepening of what is called european integration hopes, that is, when we are already moving to... this means that we are moving to new rails, to a new status. well, but the key story , of course, is the huge number of dead, that is, the huge number of wounded, the huge trauma that our society experienced during the 23rd year, yes, because

people on the one hand hoped for some fairy tales from good, generous political scientists , yes, people saw that the day after tomorrow we were about to cross the border, on the other hand. a little different or completely different, so the 23rd year is a meeting of the hoped-for and the real, unfortunately, the real is difficulties, blood, and the 24th year will be a deepening, a continuation of certain processes, which we will talk about the 24th year, roman, what kind of year did you see and what was important, what was secondary and possible, did this year live up to your expectations? and absolutely not, and this is a very tragic year, and antin already mentioned this, we, we have a skew again, depopulation due to the war, we see how many millions of people we have lost, we have lost the most active part of society and

will continue to lose it in the 24th year, because these are the most motivated defenders, we will get a skewed pyramid, and we have now the transition from one illusion to another. that is, if this year was, when we would have buried the illusions from there, i don’t know, bodanov also said that the resident in yalta wants to drink coffee, but we are not the only prisoner, that is, not only the prisoner, we are these illusions from the point of view that this this war this for a long time, this illusion was lost, but now they started playing with a new illusion, rapid european integration, joining nato, as if in a world in which international law has been destroyed, it is simply zero. there is an answer to the question, but how to integrate ukraine, the largest european state, when foreign troops are stationed on its territory and there is a war, they do not have an answer, and now they are trying to quickly spoon-feed us with new illusions, well, i will personally tell you about my

impressions about 2023 year, because it seems to me that the 23rd year became the rubicon of what... placed, placed the dots in our let's say so, firstly in illusions, and secondly, in hopes, well, it's not surprising, because i agree with antin, because we may have lost the illusion of a quick end to this war, and unfortunately, we were losing those illusions with the best by people, and many people, unfortunately, died during this war, this is the first, and the second, in... putin, it seems to me, is also losing the illusion that he can take all of ukraine for himself, because ukraine is given a green signal regarding the european integration, which means that it will also be euro-atlantic integration, i think

this eternal question, russia or europe, was decided in 23, because for several centuries, and especially... during the last century , ukraine faced a choice for quite a long time, it is russia or europe, it seems to me that ukrainians and ukraine and europe are the main thing. decided that after all, ukraine will be with europe, and now we will talk about it, because in fact, this is a very important signal, the europeans gave the ukrainians at the end of 2023, they opened negotiations on ukraine's accession to the european union, it is clear that this will not solve these problems of ours problems, but it gives us an answer to how civilization treats ukraine. and how does civilization want to see ukraine

? on december 14-15, the summit in brussels put an end to the issue on which many ukrainian politicians have apparently been working since the mid-90s, regarding european integration, antin, can we say that this is the issue has already been finally decided, i.e. that... ukraine will definitely be with europe and that there will be no more attempts to drag us there into eurasian economic cooperation in the customs union or in the union with russia, as it has happened many times in our history? well , unfortunately, on the one hand, i would like to be an optimist, so not an optimistic scenario, it should have sounded like this, of course , never ukraine, no no no no no, but there were in ukrainian history. historical periods , we also understand how the period of ivan mazepa ended, for example, it ended in a rather

unpleasant 102nd, third summer, i am being ironic, yes, how the ukrainian national revolution of the 18-20th years ended with war and occupation, but now there is a huge chance for of ukraine, because civilized humanity, the westernized world perceives ukraine as a part of itself, that is, they do not... perceive us as some, i don't know, remote islands that live there, where it is unknown, that somewhere within the borders of the russian empire, no, they saw political formation , economic benefits, and they saw commonality, but on the one hand, ukraine needs to return to what is uniquely ukrainian history, that is, in particular, we are talking about a certain civilizational foundation, a certain civilizational base, in which ukraine has always been europe, a part of europe, i.e. this is the history of the polish-lithuanian commonwealth. of the grand duchy of lithuania, i don't know, staying within the boundaries of the polish crown and so on, and so on, and

when what is called ukrainian identity was being built, even within the russian empire in the 18th century, that is, ukraine is returning to itself, as much as it will be brave and ready financial europe to involve us and how quickly, the key story is that we got this green rocket from brussels so where we put signatures and started a serious process, this is huge. plus as far as it will go underpinned by money , because european integration is not only about the flag of the european union and not about beethoven's ninth symphony, which is the anthem of the european union, it is about money, it is about transportation, it is about the agricultural market, it is about transit, it is about working power, about ukrainian land, who will take care of it, whether ukrainian traders or traders, for example, german ones and so on, that is, this is a huge, huge... problematic case. on the other hand, we understand that the european union during a full-scale

invasion and war, which, it is not known when it will end with our victory, in what format, will putin be there, will putin lie in the grave and some patrushav shoigu will come, what will be done with our system of power. europe always tries to delay the decision of such global things, that is, what do they have for this? protocol number 57/60. the four maastricht charters amended at the meeting of the european commission after 10 years and so on and so on, that is, they have a powerful bureaucracy that allows them to drag out the process in time until they are ready, but for us, the key story is to receive legal, predictable and stable funding from the european union, so we understand that the war consumes resources not only, not only human, not only... financial, but also development, and the european union will not directly completely cover all our

needs, well, we hope that the americans will speak, but the european union will make sure that the mechanisms that work in spain, in italy, in germany or in poland, so that they work and apply to our financial realities, that is i think europeans don't worse than the americans, they counted who took how many digital billions, so to speak, to the cayman islands or somewhere else there, that is... they understand the whole thing very well and they can catch it too, but they will most likely not do it, but then it does not allow that we can have this, like the turkish scenario, that we will... forever go to europe? i hope not, well, but taking into account moscow's intentions, that is, moscow is interested in the longest possible war, that is , their question is that no one can build those or other planning horizons of such final ones, yes, that is, as was the case in the polish version, poland fulfills certain conditions, joins the european union, it stretches for a couple of years, everyone understands plus or minus, so with

ukraine and with the russian-ukrainian war it no, but you know, even if... here is turkey , which was also going to europe all this time, and whether it was bad for turkey, on the way to europe , turkey became a regional leader, on the way to europe, it built a fairly, well, good economy , and it's all on the way to europe, so she didn't get there yet , we don't know if she will get there, but the path itself turned out to be quite successful for her, so i'm not saying that at all, you know what's there... achievable, unattainable there after how many years, it is necessary to understand that sometimes advancing somewhere in general is self-sufficient, because advancing towards the eurasian space, well, to a certain extent, is advancing into such a dead end, beyond which there is nothing, nothing, and they tried to drive us into this dead end 10 years ago, when the euromaidan began and a revolution of dignity, actually it was a choice

civilization of ukraine to go to europe, and in principle we have reached... already to the threshold of the european union, and this threshold, i hope that we will cross, 27 countries, big negotiations, olya, what do you think, well, will ukraine succeed under the conditions war and, well, personnel, first of all , i think, because these negotiations require quite a lot of personnel resources in order to go through all these procedural issues in order to conduct negotiations, and then the european union decides whether we are worthy of to be a member of the eu or not? well, i absolutely am i am sure that we have all the possibilities, and all the negotiators, and all the necessary personnel who can do this, we have no problem with this, we have a problem with how wide a range of people are involved in some processes now politically, we have , that's enough, we

now have such a closed circle of people who make decisions. quite opaque decisions, sometimes, on the one hand, during the war, it is important in security matters, but in the matter of the movement to europe itself, it should be an open process, it should be a very inclusive process, and this is precisely it would be great if the largest groups of people, politicians, were involved in this, because today's whole story is when someone somewhere is tired of ukraine, right? there he tells how some countries could get tired, which, excuse me, spent, well , first of all, no one shoots anything at them, their economy has not deteriorated, they are all growing, continue to grow, for example, in the same united states , we are not now about europe, the united states, for the first time the lowest unemployment rate for well, the last there, i do not

i know, 10 or even 20 years, that is, there are no problems at all, in connection with this. there are other problems, no, these are not the kind of problems that should be talked about, they have other problems, but they are not structural problems, and in this case, get tired of that war, where, which goes objectively far from them , they can only in one case, when we do not complete, when we do not work with them enough, diplomatically, informationally, it is not enough for them, well, we open our some there... things, this, you understand, it is not only some kind of conviction, this is a larger such sphere , these are some cultural influences, these are some actions , this is something that is not only, you know, formed on the fact that here we come and ask, give, give, give, but where are we we can show that we can give ourselves, and we can offer,

we have to offer, we can give, we have enough, we also have , in the end, the eurovision showed that we are wonderful. it 's not about culture, we have culture, sorry, it's population, after all, it's population, it has to show itself as an important transit area, as a safe area, which would form what is called the security policy not only of the euro-atlantic community, but of the european union, that is, it is cooperation between lithuania, latvia, estonia, poland, the czech republic, slovakia, hungary and romania, hungary for good reason. that is, ukraine should be one of the flagships of the formation of what is called a security and sanitary border with russia. it is us that we will offer it. already actually proposed, this does not mean that such a formula was adopted there, no, well, we have a lithuanian-polish, ukrainian brigade as a model, to show how

valuable a test piece, a model, but from the point of view of whether europe is ready to consider scenarios, for example, how do we do this one, let's call it the european eastern bloc, from these states, without having an answer to the question, how much, what to do with these territories that will remain, for example , okaup. at the end of the war, we understand that nothing until there is some piece of paper, and it will not be a victory, cinema and the germans, you know, that is, with reistags, with everything, this can definitely be the end of the war, there are many scenarios that can include in that including the occupied territories or the presence of the enemy on ours, which part is integrated, which is offered, for example, to the returned territories, they are the same in legal status as the rest of ukraine. which was not occupied, there is no answer model in europe, so we can't, we can now speculate on champagne bubbles. no, well, we can see how unwilling, for example, the same, well

, i think, political blackmailer orban, how he does not want ukraine to be a member of the european union, because he does not want his state to receive less subsidies from of the european union, rather than ukraine, because he understands that ukraine is a bigger country. here the question is what? you mentioned the americans, that we need to have a dialogue with the americans, to explain to them what we are like, and so that they know more about us, we need to explain to our neighbors who we are, and first of all hungarians, because if orban has been at the head of this country for a long time and has such views, so there is no question, well, in hungary they trust him, so... we have some problems with hungary, and if they don't want us to be members of the european union , so what kind of neighbors are these in general, which i will tell you like this,

looking at hungary, looking at hungary, in general, i believe that there can be no claims to us, neither in terms of democracy nor in terms of corruption, a priori, because on the background of hungary, we are angels in general, but if you say that we can, you know, strangely enough, but physiognomy. i remember our politician and think that it is still possible to compete there, i am asking you, i can tell you about those, i can tell you so much physiognomy, i just don’t want to waste time on this, not only around the entire perimeter of our cordonusan and about bad hungarians, that’s right, but i’m up to what you know, strangely enough, even russia’s attempt to block the export of grain from ukraine suddenly showed the whole world on... ukraine is a globally important country, that is, it turned out that we always thought that we were somewhere in uzbek, that we were somehow integrated into something there, here

it turns out that if there are no normal grain supplies from ukraine, then it turns out that the whole world suffers suddenly, i think that if you look at how many different minerals we have, how many literate population we have, as it turned out. comes abroad and is not a burden for other countries, because in poland our people paid more taxes than they took money from there, because they come, are familiar with and understand the european space even at the level of sensations, which indicates that we are , as they say, an ancient baroque european nation, even in the podkort, and even those people who at one time adopted the russian measure and sovkov standard, even they start in these one and a half years year... the visitation on the territory of the european union is changing, but here now the same question arises again, about the hungarians in vain, they did not listen carefully, mr. rudenko

speaks very correctly here, this is the story of the gashak, let's remember what švejk said , this is a story that has been going on for quite a long time in europe, the problem of certain specifics of the hungarians’ neighborhood policy so that, in my opinion... they haven’t broken the pots, i don’t even know they only deal with the penguins of antarctica, they have territorial other claims to all the rest , and this and we will not remove this syndrome, because hungarians love their fidesz party and their orbán, they deceive him, we will have to search with them, i don’t know what argument, because we have to look for models, models of cooperation, there is only one simple model of cooperation, it’s called, you want to do something with ukraine, give me 30 billion , okay, i will today... in an hour for 10 billion, this is blackmail, we don't have that kind of money, we won't buy orban, that's why i think we don't have it yet, i must tell you that

orbán's problem is not only that. passed, i.e the european union is forced to flirt with orban, instead of putting him in a clear framework, because there is no mechanism in them, there is no precedent, they do not use it, they only make one mechanism, they send him for now in order to vote for ukraine for the beginning negotiations, it will work out somewhere, and we will adopt a consensus here, because you are here at the meeting anyway. well, if it is one orban, yes, if there was more than one, he is such that, what is not one, they have not yet appeared, the same fico and others, i think that our friends, but serhiu, you touched on a very correct topic, see , that is, the story about orbán, it is not really about orbán and not even about the european union orbán, the story about, it is a story about putin and putin's policy of splitting the european union in very different directions, and therefore

orban will play this ... putin's group as long as putin will be around, roughly speaking, well, putin can be forever, first of all, well, he can't be forever, let's not exaggerate, well, how can lenin lie in the grave and only his name will be scrolled there t can always be putin will be 30 there in the 80s, now putin will always be as young as lenin, but this virtual reality has long been described by the same moscow muscovites about the collective putin on television that exists. he wrote long before the invasion, so in this case i am not talking about the miracles of medicine that can keep this dictator, during that time in europe two or three will have passed about computer technologies that will generate an image, wait, they already at these press conferences, the latter generated the image of putin and showed everyone that if suddenly this who is sitting here in the hall will bend, so we have, we already have a replacement, there is no need for two putin mips, don't worry people, you

will still see your eye... during his annual press conference appeared on the internet , where there is a mausoleum and lenina, and next to it there is a refrigerator, this is the dnieper and putin is written, that is, with a hint that he is in the refrigerator, well, as professor solovei said, and that he is no longer a runner, and he just got a place for him, the refrigerator, it’s near the mausoleum, listen, and turn it over, if it was one defect talking to another defect, that’s it can be too. judging by what putin said, in principle, he has nothing new, well , the putin that was shown, did not say anything new, next to us, he does not see any other aggressive policy, yes, that is, the policy of permanent war, or military conflict, or a never-signed peace agreement, we have north-south korea as an example, there is, only

there is no heated confrontation. and there is no peace agreement either, confrontation can happen at any moment, but it is managed to be extinguished, but speaking, for example, about russia, putin's of history, the 23rd year is a story about prigozhin, in the russian dimension, this year was prigozhin, that is, who managed to do almost the impossible, yes, that is, at least position and drag the whole story on himself, so that you remember the morning of prigozhin, as all began to change... with their hopes in messengers, that is, it quickly entered the agenda, but there are pros and cons for us, plus the fact that we no longer believed that the russian rebellion , senseless and merciless, could still exist in the cemented czech state , it turns out that it can, and this is a plus, and a minus - it's the fact that when prigozhin calmly walked into one nuclear facility, and no one

contradicted him, it was so frightening. those useful elon musks, who all the time, lie down under russia, write a peace treaty, otherwise they will get to the nuclear button, you know, i think that the fact that prigozhin went there, it seems that prigozhin himself was afraid of it, because in fact , in fact, it was also revealing, here you know, there really are pros and cons, the plus is that we saw that the power in russia will actually change with a palace coup. and all others will just sit and wait until it ends, that is, there will be no such thing, as everyone imagines, everyone ran out into the street and some republics began to destroy everything there, nothing will happen, there will simply be some kind of visible or invisible riot, someone will replace someone, either well or it will not change, and then there will be supermarkets nearby, no, nothing will happen, believe me, absolutely nothing, but there is another thing: