fight, and we also want to end the conflict, moreover, as soon as possible, only on our terms, we have no desire to fight endlessly, but we are not going to give up either. the russian ministry of defense called the missile attack on the kharkiv palace hotel, which took place in the evening of december 30, revenge for belgorod. then, as a result of the shelling of kharkiv , at least 28 people were injured. a high-precision missile attack on the former. the kharkiv-palas hotel complex was destroyed by representatives of the main directorate of intelligence and the armed forces of ukraine, who directly participated in the planning and implementation of the terrorist attack in belgorod. there were also up to 200 foreign mercenaries who were planned to be involved in terrorist raids on the territory of the russian federation bordering ukraine. at gur, these statements were called sickly delusions, because not a single employee of gurm. not

hurt olga armyanyshina, radio liberty. well, as we have already mentioned airstrikes in ukraine. today is the second big blow in a few days. on december 29, russia also launched a massive attack on several large cities, including the capital, kyiv. with in the fall, such massive strikes by dozens of missiles and drones from the russian federation were not observed. how do they fit into the broader strategy of the kremlin and what does russia want to achieve with this, is it simply terrorizing the population of ukraine in the middle of winter, trying to deprive it of heat, light and water, as it did last year, by the way, or is it simply trying to spoil the already difficult winter winter holidays, is it possible that russia is trying to test and weaken ukrainian air defenses, or wants to demonstrate its ability to replenish stocks of missiles and drones not... despite

estimates that their arsenal in russia is rapidly decreasing. is it possible that in this way moscow seeks to force kyiv to negotiate on terms favorable to it. as you can see, there are many questions, and we will now try to analyze them with our next guest. we are joined by the head of the russian research center and former minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, volodymyr ogryzko. congratulations. greetings, mr. oleksandr, have a good day. well, let's start with the fact that this is such a russian strike. new year's period in the middle of winter, one way or another it affects the psychological state of ukrainians population, presumably sows despair, but do you think that this alone exhausts moscow's motives? er, of course not, of course, it is about putin, and he is already talking about it publicly, and here in your, in your materials, in the brief, there was this phrase of his that he wants to end the war, and i'm repeating it, it's not the only one. times, i think that you can already

count, maybe up to a dozen, and this is evidence that he perfectly understands that the economy of the russian federation, no matter what he says about it, no matter what numbers he draws there ms. nabiulina in her forecasts, the russian economy is rapidly heading towards its collapse, according to the estimates of adequate economists , you... means that there is at least a reserve of some strength, although this is a conditional formula, a maximum of one and a half years, so putin has very little time left until that moment , until the russian economy simply begins to limp on all four legs, now it is on two, and there will be four, look what is happening now with just the food market in this little empire, goods are disappearing, it was for milk,

sometimes there was no chicken meat, then there were no eggs, now they are already writing about the fact that in the near future... possible problems with bread, well , what is bread in russia, i think everyone perfectly understands, officially the same nabilina says that we should expect an increase in prices, from 5 to 20%, since the first days of january 24th, add to this the same jumps in prices, last year on the 23rd, let's remember that the ruble depreciated dramatically , again, a forecast for the russian economy. disappointing to 130 rubles per dollar - that's if you take counting from the previous stable so-called times, it is twice as cheap, it means that russia will finally refuse to buy any imports, even chinese ones,

well, the chain that will lead to the finale, which is mournful for the russian economy, is somewhere in the horizon of a year and a half, so putin is mad , i'm sorry, because i know that the reserves are running out, you can't go far with tanks alone, and that's why he forces us to negotiate with these barbaric, bandit raids, but i 'll tell you honestly, i was here in kyiv today, now we'll try to reconnect with our guest, i would like to remind you that we are talking with volodymyr ogrysk, he is the ex-minister of foreign affairs. affairs of ukraine and now he is the head of the russian research center, i am told that we are establishing contact. i would like to remind our viewers that today we are discussing the consequences of a massive missile attack by russia in the morning, kyiv, kyiv oblast and kharkiv were affected, and this is the second such

massive missile attack that has happened literally in the last few days, and we are actually trying to analyze, what is behind it what goals can be set. in front of the kremlin , the army of the russian federation, let me remind you that volodymyr hrysko expressed such an opinion on our air that , referring to economists, that for the russian economy there is such a safety margin of one and a half years, and therefore vladimir putin probably wants to start such negotiations comfort and opportunities to cease fire in order to restore our potential and, well, to have the opportunity, i suspect... to strike again after a certain time, when russia is ready, at the same time we can also mention the publications in the western media that with with reference to intelligence, various journalists say that, on the contrary, it is likely that russia is preparing to fight for a long time, and is making plans to seize new ukrainian territories,

such horizons as 2025, 2026 are mentioned , and the countries that border ukraine are also worried, and there are ... a kind of eastern border and nato and the eu, which are worried that russia will probably be able to have the potential to attack nato countries in two years. here are all these scenarios, they are discussed, how realistic they are, actually we try to discuss i will also remind you that today we are discussing whether you really, well, so to speak , how the masses in russia are trying to justify their strikes, in particular, vladimir putin said that... such strikes are being carried out and this is also part of the reaction to the fact that happened in belgorod on december 30 last year, and it is actually about the fact that at first the ministry of defense of russia admitted that it was a mistake of the russian air defense, and that is why fragments, whether missiles or means

of destruction, fell in the city itself, and therefore were such victims among the civilian population, let me remind you that at that time the figures were given that 10 were killed, i am informed that... grysko is in touch with us again, i welcome you to our airwaves again. i actually wanted to ask you, what should happen in one and a half years, you said that this is, i quote you, a mourning, yes, a mourning moment for the russian economy, what exactly processes can take place, is it about some kind of political collapse of russia , what, what should be expected in your opinion? well, it is worth waiting for, it seems to me two things: on the one hand, a really real collapse of the russian language economy, as it was on the eve of the collapse of the ussr, i saw it. with my own eyes and analyzing the current situation in russia, i come to the same conclusions that it is about preparing for this end of may, on the one hand, and on the other hand, i still very much hope that our western friends will finally wake up and understand , that the formula that

ukraine must win and russia must not lose is false from the very beginning, ukraine must win and there must be a full stop, and russia must lose, so if we combine these two theses, ukraine must win, the russian economy will collapse, then we will have a very obvious result for russia, putin's regime will begin. melt, and with it will begin to collapse, perhaps russia itself, i understand that for some, this is a scary prospect in the west, they are afraid to think what will happen if russia collapses, but especially in the context of nuclear weapons control, the same fears were actually in 1991, these are weak-minded politicians, you know, recently i liked one of my colleagues with his assessment of such people in the west. which he called scary penguins, a very apt description of politicians who

are afraid of everything and don't want to do anything, because it's scary, well, not scary, if it's scary, then you don't need to go into politics and sit at home in the kitchen and drink tea, but what if you take responsibility, then take it to the end, so i really hope that finally this responsibility will return to some of our western partners, and they will finally understand that this criminal, which you are now showing on the screen, must finally be finished, because... otherwise he will end up with with all of us, well, at the very end, i want to ask you for your opinion, whether ukraine should also launch massive strikes against russia, so to speak in response, and why, as for example, in belgorod a couple of days ago, and can it, let's say, to dissuade moscow from the powerful attacks of ukraine from the air, will this be an argument for it, you understand, as you said, moscow is a country of slaves, it is a slave psychology, which er... the carriers of which have only one fear, the fear of being punished, so until this punishment

falls on them, until they finish reading theirs dostoevsky, that there is a crime and a punishment for it, the situation will not change until then, we must respond to what comes to us, otherwise, unfortunately, this people will never understand anything. thank you very much, volodymyr was in touch with us. head of the russian research center and ex-minister of foreign affairs of ukraine. well, what happened in belgorod specifically today? according to the local authorities, as a result of shelling of the city, there is one dead and one injured. he died during the third air raid today in belgorod a man who was driving in a car at the time of the shelling, a shell exploded next to the car. p at least informs about it. four more people, according to his information , were injured near the car market in belgorod.

the ministry of defense of the russian federation stated that a total of 17 missiles were shot down in the belogorod region today, but the ukrainian armed forces did not comment on this. well, now let's talk about the details of the second mass shelling of ukraine in the last week, and also about whether russia is really retaliating, as the president says vladimir putin. contact us. spokesman of the air force of ukraine yuriy ignat. good evening. good evening, congratulations. well, to begin with, the president of the russian federation, putin, declares that the current strikes on ukraine are allegedly carried out as a reaction to the shelling of belgorod. you can explain whether it is really possible to plan and implement such a massive shelling in just a few days, if this is indeed a reaction. well, for the russian planes shot down, and for the russian warship sunk, that's all. reactions or how to perceive it, the war in general against ukraine, it is a reaction to what, to

intolerance to our ukraine, to the nation, to our independence, that is why the war is going on. yes, of course, they need a picture today in order to show the russians that they have taken revenge here for everything, for everything, for everything, accordingly speaks about it, and they, all their telegram channels show, take such cruel pictures that the most somewhere there, our citizens help them, yes, telegram, well... they help in quotes, i mean, that's how they put it there, an explosion there, an explosion there, they take from kyiv, the most terrible footage, well show that this is a great retribution and so on and so on, well, i want to say that despite that, despite the destruction that is still happening today, i really sympathize with all those who suffered people, there are also those who died, unfortunately, well, but with such by the number of air attack weapons that russia used to attack us on december 29 and tonight, well, excuse me here... really, the work of the air defense was as effective as possible, you could say so,

because when everything flies in such a quantity, to shoot down it is very difficult, especially the day before missiles, not the day before, but before the missiles , drones fly in large numbers at night, they also need to be responded to, expend ammunition and so on, deplete anti-aircraft, then the missiles arrive from different directions, missiles of various types and ballistics and winged ones. we have the experience of working immediately on such different types of targets, we have had it since last year, so last year, although i will not recover, it was only for winging, ballistic. we could shoot from may 4, because then we had patriot, a system that appeared the day before she proved herself, who knocked down today , well, in fact, a little less than half of what she knocked down since may 4 in total, i mean, there were 15 daggers knocked down, and tonight 10 were knocked down at once, that is, from daggers, this is of

course a launch record, such a record , yes, as they say, in general , there were 53 daggers at the moment, now there are already 63 daggers launched since the beginning of a full-scale invasion. mr. yuri, indeed, today we talked about the fact that 10 out of 10 daggers were knocked down by three out of three calibers, according to the report the commander-in-chief emerges, but not all the missiles were not 100% of the missiles actually of the soviet type, but there were. shot down today, what does it have to do with the density of fire or with some feature of these missiles? well, i just finally explained to you the answer to this question, well, i 'm saying: a large number of means of air attack, missiles of different types are flying at the same time, flying from different directions, trying to overcome the air defense system, they are designed to

overcome the air defense system, these missiles , and some part of it, accordingly... you can't do anything to overcome it, look at israel, you can draw the analogy of israel , which was attacked by hamas, well, let's talk about the missiles that flew along a ballistic trajectory, in particular at kharkiv, these are c300 and 400 iskander m, those that were not actually shot down today , which flew from the north, that's one thing, but what really flew today compared to israel, you know that israel has... the best air defense system in the world, which is the most modern, which shoots down everything that flies, but when a large number flies, well, it can't cope , the air defense system is being overloaded, it is possible that there were such options on the 29th as well, as we had and now during the attack on the capital, so of course there is damage, there are damaged houses,

explosives were knocked out and you see, windows are blown out immediately in quarter as a whole, it has already been proven... you see a russian missile that flew into a russian village, actually destroyed half a village there, but it didn’t go down, as they say there, after all, this is not the first time it happens, it just doesn’t always turn out to be general public. mr. yuri, i want the very end from you to ask, you said about the high efficiency of air defense, valery zaluzhnyi also noted it, but in his post he also noted that ukraine still needs additional means of air defense, can you... tell what the urgent need is now, which systems, maybe in their number, from western partners, if possible briefly. well, of course you can't, because general valery zluzhny, you wrote it yourself, how many rockets are needed and so on, there is a need, urgent, why? i mean, you can't announce, well, how much, what, where, in which number, it will be wrong, it will

simply inform the enemy, the question is that there is always an urgent need, because the intensity of shelling was gathering, remember the 75 uavs recently struck, all this requires ammunition, ammunition not only for the additional system , in order to strengthen us in other directions, and this is a constant consumption of ammunition, both the same cheetahs and these airs, naso all patriots, today we also need soviet missiles, including them, they are still somewhere in the countries, so about that we need to ask for partners, we don't have our rockets you'. thank you very much, we were contacted by the spokesman of the air force of the ukrainian armed forces yuriy ignat, we will say goodbye until tomorrow, thank you for watching svoboda live, my name is sashko shevchenko, bye, there are discounts on zzilor,

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espresso. well, i think that everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone knows who i'm talking to, well , it's not worth introducing. on television, in children's, adult, funny, not so much, to work there and seven, where he just didn't work, what he just didn't do, i'm just a politician, i'll say that he and the technical school to feed you. he used to finish his house and work at factories, which he did not do, he was a stage fitter, yes,

he was a conductor of wagons, the journeys were heavy, yes, kyiv, novosibirsk, novosibirsk yevpatori, oh my god, how long does it take to go from kyiv to novosibirsk, well there somewhere up to, well, up to five days, somewhere like that somewhere up to a week and back here and there. to be sure, viktor, i will tell you that i am old from time to time, a big difference, especially for me like where you play muller in the style of the ode in the odessa style, when muller, stirly, he eats the seeds, liquidation is called, operation liquidation, yes, i really love and even sometimes not that i regret, but i, well, i liked some moments, not all, but i liked some, but... what can you say, there is some kind of nostalgia, but some kind of, well, there is such a strange word in russian, it is called annoyance, that is, it would be good if there were

no eyelashes , no, mykola, you know there is life, life is the same as weevils, aren't we we can say, but what you won't restore , i say, life has changed, everything has changed, let's go on, turn the pedal, sit all the time like a clown, all the time, i'll show you how funny it will be, what's the point of all this, it's necessary to change, you remember you see, they changed it right, wrong , you can somehow argue, there was a need for a full fashion, there is no need, but it saved the lives of some people, even i know, and some did not know weevils, they watched, they grew up, they just watched mamada, then was different, then there was a big difference and so on, that is, you know, it seems to me that it's on... it's normal when a person doesn't sit on one and the same thing, but go on, i'm a weevil, you remember that they did a lot of bad things, that is, for some reason, i have to sit for four years

in some images, they didn't let me on television anymore, for some reason they thought that i would smoke, get drunk, and throw those lines, they realized that i was playing such and such a character, and i was not that character, soci well, this is always a disease of people. i, too, have to joke on the street, in a store, in a restaurant, i have post, and i still love, you know what, you already brought up this topic, very funny, people are watching tv or the computer, and there are different, different people, and they think that there is a room where we all we are going, well, yes, and there is president bush or president clinton or president obama, and they mean a big difference in ukrainian about yes, and they are always like that to me, well, sir... mykola, you tell them there, well, tell them well, you, you see them, well, what should be done, well, tell me, and the impression is that we are all sitting there together somewhere, and we

the queues are released, so there is nowhere , you had your own big difference, i look, so it 's true, it's true, listen to what i wanted to tell you, i'll finish it, and it's normal when you change, when exactly, like that, you understand kolya, that's right, mykola, i'm sorry, that's right... what's great is when you're offered something that you've never done, for example there, well, you were an actor, then you say you'll be a director of tv series, and then when it comes up, you say : you should become the director of a full-length film, and i know how zhvanetskyi has it, when will you tell me a suit, he says , i’m a surgeon, i’m not even a psychiatrist, i say, send it, i can’t walk in it, you’re a hospital, he’s a nurse, i’m a doctor, i’ve got diplomas, he says, send me a suit, okay, material you have one it's the same with me, when you have to talk, only you can shoot a full-length children's film, i didn't even know that i was like that, well, that is, then i became

a director of animated scenes, father-in-law. as if he also worked in animation, but not like then, well , and so on, that is, you change, it's normal, please tell me, here you are now focused on the children's field, you come up with fairy tales, try to film them, prepare , look for money, books, wrote books, there are already two books, books, tell me, it's because you think, there is some ideology behind it, that you need a future to bring up, why were you drawn to... uh, do you just not want to interfere in politics so much that let's go without politics, which means for the children, if there is no politics there, i will calmly joke and entertain myself , whether the children like it or not , to look for heroes for children and so on and so forth like that, what, what , have you been like this since childhood, you are such a splash, that i will be, i would like, i would like to write books for children, and make movies, and so on, well,

that's all... well, you know, everything happened as it was supposed to, that is, you answered everything for me, but i will say a little more specifically, first, really , it is not surprising, then i remember that when i was still at school, my mother worked in a kindergarten , she was an accountant, and i used to come to her, very tasty buns, they cooked, she is vitya, come and eat a bun, and i used to come and then he says, oh, the teacher is sick, go and talk with the children, i went there... i started to read him fairy tales, and then i started to make up fairy tales, because sometimes i, for example, was like this, do you remember the movie there, this was a children's frost , and i only saw the teaser, the teasers, how it was filmed, and i started from that teaser to add the ending and add the beginning, that is, to the children of the story, and they, that is, it was probably already there since childhood , and when i made a children's film and

went to show ... him from uzhhorod to sevastopol and saw the reaction when he was already there the 13th year, it was already somewhere around november , there was still a little bit of november left, and we showed in the kirchi, and they shouted, me, we, we kerchi, mine kerchi, we kerchi, i did not understand that the mostak festivals were already held there , they were all fully expected, already prepared, were under russia. and when we showed it to 1,300 children, we showed that film in the ukrainian language, we don't have it in the soviet language, i wanted to say in the russian language in the ukrainian language, and when even there i'm not talking about tatar children in orphanages, what we showed you understand, after all, when there were 1,700 children in kherson, 600 disabled people came, a child sat without arms , without legs and laughed funny. i say how about you

i really liked this, you understand that when you are tight with it, and you understand that few people do anything for them, that is, you can, i will ask you how many were made for the examiners of the 14th year and especially children's films, i think , that not a single one has been done, i don’t, i’m alone, alone sometimes, maybe yours is some, no, well, but everyone says that it’s simply unprofitable, everyone they say it doesn't bring money, we won't do it, yes, yes, tell me, this is at walt disney, i'll tell you about it, that it's unprofitable, that, well, the situation is that when i saw it, i realized that it is necessary to do something for them first, because no one is doing it, come on, i will do it, firstly, secondly, uh, you have no idea, we are already after each, even now, after each show, i

i communicate with them because the children want... communication, they don't need to be shown to the cinema, well , little ones, they watch and that's all, they can't stand even 80 minutes of a movie, now after gadgets, smart devices, they are generally fast, that's it, well, they don't perceive from the imagination , it doesn't work anymore, here they are, already those who are in the fifth grade, sixth, seventh grade, they want to communicate, they want to be with you to communicate, they ask such questions that you even fall down, for example, there was a child alone who asked me, and after ivan sila said, but this story is a story, that's all, but you really never picked it up?