international organizations there. mr. roman, what do you think, how, how should the world react to these strikes, because the first massive strike, which took place on december 29, immediately caused a reaction from joseph biden, who said that it is necessary to speed up the provision of weapons to ukraine and financial assistance, was the reaction of our western partners sufficient these days and whether... what dmytro kuleba posted on his twitter, or on netix, as it is now called, or can it even be implemented within a short period? and these are two processes, forecasts and proposals for 2024, and the situation that arose after two massive bombings, if they overlapped one another, now few people distinguish between them. has

both quantitative and qualitative parameters. the first thing to understand is that the year 2024 is a year of completely different, high-quality assistance that is technologically more advanced than assistance. and including the topic, which was voiced by the next minister, which concerns the transfer of almost 380 billion dollars frozen to ukraine. russian assets abroad. actually, it is clear to me that this is the case the mass attack that took place is a reaction to the list of offers to help ukraine in 2024, and changes in the tactics and strategy of waging war, let's say, by the democratic, civilized world. against russia and the clear

determination that ukraine should and will win this war, and these unambiguous things, they pushed putin, the moscow fuehrer, to such aggressive, ultra- aggressive actions at the beginning of 2024. actually, what the minister announced is... what is being done now, and especially things are being done, which relate to new approaches to and assistance with weapons, ammunition, and equipment, including from solving issues of physical protection of the military to new installations that also relate to air defense systems and missiles with a range of 300+. missile systems, this

is what is being discussed, and this is what nato, european countries, and the united states of america are working on now. the second thing, which was actually accelerated by the statements of joseph biden and the activity of european politicians, is regarding the transfer to ukraine of these 380 billion russian preserved funds. frozen capital, assets, first of all, these are funds that are in bank accounts in europe, the united states of america , etc., the appropriate forms are currently being worked out. the third direction of this work is actually political and diplomatic steps, which relate to, first, paralyzing the

channels through which... diplomatic restrictions, because due to the gap that arose in diplomatic work between european countries and the united states, and on one side and on the other, a number of countries, ah... the indo-pacific region and the middle east, and russia was able to hold a number of diplomatic events through saudi arabia and the united arab emirates in 2024 , which, well, let's say this, influenced the issue of the diplomatic duel in the international arena, so this is the second direction, which relates to political activity, which is currently being discussed, the third... it is

related to the clarification of the sanctions policy and the clarification of packages 11, which ones already were also accepted on the 12th, which are actually on the way out. the next question is about the economic policy, the economic policy of helping both ukraine, and new approaches to the economic policy in the field of energy, in order to minimize russia's opportunities to increase budget revenues, especially in the energy sector, i emphasize this, and actually the two processes are overlapping now, and as i said, few of you... can distinguish what is being done as tactics and strategy of 2024, and what is a reaction, because reflection is the least suitable here to such situations that have happened now, because in order

to respond to such things clearly and with the final for victory, it is necessary that what was planned for 2024 and within the frame of the ramstat. and within the framework of nato, and within the framework of the european union, and within the framework of assistance by the united states of america was implemented. mr. roman, what happened today and what happened 5 days ago shows that putin is going to vabank, that is , he has no other, other maneuvers left, and he has no other solution left of the russian-ukrainian war, that is, it is headed for complete destruction. of our infrastructure, he is going for the complete destruction of our cities, and if , let's say, on the eastern and southern fronts, they are marching armies, then here they are trying to destroy with shaheds, rockets, various weapons, hypersonic missiles, today 10

aero daggers, these missiles, which were flying in the direction of kyiv, which were shot down against the air. defense, as you think, i.e. putin as a political card player, is he still counting on some kind of card game, or is he just there's no other way out and just what he 's doing, about just this kind of political sleight of hand, which should lead him to some kind of negotiations or to some kind of conversation with someone, the fact is that it's... i'll say this, a well-thought-out plan that is being implemented by russia, or what you just listed, it coincided with a whole series of information leaks that happened in the world, the content of which is that in the winter of 2004, 2004-5, and putin

will start attacking european states, this is a well- thought-out plan , which testifies to... the fact that, firstly, it is not only about destruction of ukraine as a state and ukrainians as a nation, he echoes the informational signals that went out in a number of european, world and american publications that at this moment of the transition of power in the united states of america, putin will resort to attacking european countries, and he would. .. in confirmation of this, he launches a massive, massive attack on ukraine. at the same time, those of you who have a deep understanding of this topic, know the economic forecasts for 2024 and the power, especially of the rocket and space

industrial complex of russia, they look to these events, as a step of despair, why? because the things i said about... which today is considering, planning tactically and strategically for the 24th year and the united states, and europe, and nato, in principle, according to the indicators at the end of 2024, they will even create a tactical advantage in quantitative indicators on the side of ukraine, from the point of view of even weapons, even ammunition, which since 2014 has been discussed as a deficit, and it is obvious that this step, according to many politicians and analysts, european and american, indicates a step in desperation and an attempt, if by force, to return the situation to the status quo before the appearance

of the word victory in the rhetoric at all during the visit of president zelensky to washington, because in fact this word, it has now radically affected... many headquarters, i mean political state headquarters countries of the world and in the united states of america, in fact , such a coup took place, the essence of which is that a... many countries decided to radically increase actual military aid to ukraine, so you can look at this moment that way. it is important here that it is ukrainian diplomacy, so that the ukrainian military-political leadership now gives clear information about what and how things are happening and what the needs are, on the one hand, it must be completed by the winter in such a way that it can withstand. this blow, and i cannot say by quantitative indicators that europe and the states today are ready

to close all the problems, the fact is that their industrial potential simply does not allow it to be done at once, even the available number of weapons does not allow it to be done, but this, but the help that can come, it can greatly improve the anti-cancer defense systems of ukraine, so now it depends on the military and political leadership... it very clearly depends on the extent to which the application for aid will exactly meet the necessary needs, because as can be seen from the point of view of the last four years in particular, the tactics and technological changes in the behavior of the enemy, they are constantly undergo a correction, so it is necessary to always make a correction and understand how the enemy will behave tomorrow in order to realistically approach the order. because there are some cases, let's not dwell on them, but they testify to, well, not quite, let's say,

understanding how the enemy will act in this situation, so i emphasize that now the military-political leadership should keep this hand on the pulse and precisely point out these pain points. mr. roman, you have already mentioned poland and europe and about their position in the current situation, today. after another massive missile attack on ukraine, poland announced that it was raising f-16 fighter jets into the sky. the operational command of the armed forces of poland said that to ensure the security of the polish airspace, two a pair of f-16 fighter jets and an allied refueler. we know that on december 29, when there was another massive attack on u'. one of the missiles, according to the statement of the poles, flew

into the territory of poland, russian missiles, and went 40 km into poland and then returned again to the territory of ukraine. in this situation, can nato, together with the ukrainian leadership, consider any options for helping the north atlantic alliance in a situation when, for example, western ukraine is being shelled. when the patriot systems are exactly on the border with ukraine, meaning on the territory of poland , is it time to convene a council of ukraine and nato in order to nevertheless activate the north atlantic alliance, but without the broad participation of the alliance, but to receive help from them, because these situations are repeated with missiles that fly into the territory of poland, sneakers that fly into the territory of romania, and, well, at least these countries definitely understand that sooner or later they

can be attacked, just like us. and, mr. sergey, there is one question for me, to which i do not know the answer, i do not ready to give you absolutely clear what actions can be taken here, i will say what is the problem, the fact is that the anti-missile defense system of europe about ... cs, it is in automatic mode, and the numbers that are being called now, they are sufficient for that the automatic activation of this system takes place, and one problem arises for me: are there any inaccurate indicators, is there a class of missiles that is not monitored by this system, because... what has been announced to date, it says in fact, that the enemy invaded the

territory of a nato country. the fact is that nato regulations, in particular, when aviation takes to the sky, they have several modes, but the figure, which is called 40 km in parallel, already obliges the entire class to work in automatic mode. and weapons, including the syeds anti-missile defense system. therefore, without knowing the answer to this question, it is too early to talk about any conclusions, but... but what must always be remembered is that, if the gun is hanging on the stage, the stage, it will shoot, it is already became clear and obvious, because the flying into the territory of moldova, romania, poland, and whether they are shot down, wreckage, missiles or drones,

or the missiles themselves, it shows that moscow in this case... the moscow führer does not have measures that this is a prohibited territory for invasion, and this should be understood, including the headquarters of nato. in this case, are there grounds for convening the ukraine-nato council. well, forgive me, i will say this, if he talks, then he can be summoned, and if he acts, then in this case there is enough of a threat to get involved even automatic systems. which are provided for by nato regulations. against the background of intensified, massive russian air attacks on the territory of ukraine, the head of the defense committee of the german bundestag, marie agnes stark zimmerman, again called on the german government to approve the supply of german cruise missiles to ukraine.

according to her, the commitment given by germany to support ukraine as much as necessary. will become an empty sound if germany and its allies do not support kyiv much more strongly, this concerns the european coalition for the supply of f-16 fighter jets, which has much faster to gain momentum - said strack zimmerman. this is what the head of the committee of the german bundestag said, obviously for the germans, and they understand how it all can end for... europe, and for germany as well. boris pistorius has repeatedly repeated publicly that in the 24th, 25th, 26th, 27th years, a war between russia and europe, well, nato, in this case, is possible. in your opinion, what can deter putin from such a war, can't,

can't his current attacks,... be demonstrations that he is ready to go absolutely to the limit where he is simply given by the teeth, all collectively, and as an option for missiles that fly into the territory of poland, or for debris that flies into the territory of romania, when, when this border will be, when nato will say, listen, well, it is enough to endure, because he now he will do... the same thing that he is doing in the east and south of ukraine. mr. serhiy, two questions need to be answered here: firstly, can germany, in particular , continue to supply ukraine with much-needed weapons to its detriment in terms of defense and security. exactly,

piecemeal - yes, systemically - no, no, it doesn't work ... the complex is powerful enough to mass-produce all the necessary equipment and weapons for ukraine. and actually what defense minister pistorius says is very close to the truth, decisions have been made, there is a will for this, funds have been allocated, but the truth is to launch the entire complex, which especially concerns air defense and anti-aircraft systems. missile defense for 3-5 years, as for the political position, it is even stronger in the german parliament, both chambers support the need as much as possible more powerful aid, it is not by chance that germany doubled aid, including financial aid to ukraine, that is, in fact,

there was an evil in germany, and this evil concerns i'. democrats, cdu, csu, with the exception of the alternative for germany, which continues to play with the moscow führer, and here it is important that germany receives, including , technological support for starting production. let me give you the following figure: only by the end of 2024, rein mittal will produce 700,000 units of ammunition. 155 caliber, but let's not be alone one was not deceived and was honest, but the concern, which, well, is one of the largest concerns in the world. and launches the production of the corresponding ammunition in such volumes in just a year, and if we now take sophisticated equipment, then we

must understand that, in reality, all these countries, and the french and the germans, have a lot of problems, i am not saying that they are insurmountable, but they have quite a lot of problems, not only to start this production, but also to understand the situation on the battlefield. remember we started talking leopard 3, we'll get the first modification, it is, well, let's say this, the prototype and opponent, well, the soviet tank of 1972, so it is necessary to understand how much the european industrial potential today is ready and can serially put into production until ... can attack europe, what are they connected with? europe is

reaching the brink of running out of possible, potentially possible weapons for supply to ukraine, this is all former soviet equipment, and this is the equipment of the 70s and 80s of the nato countries, which today is gradually being withdrawn from... from exploitation in nato countries, this is what we need to talk about, therefore, these decisions, which related to the joint production of ukrainians and poles, ukrainians and germans, ukrainians and french, are not due to the desire of ukraine or paris, ukraine or berlin, they are due to what is there is only such a way to form, and there is an association for tanks, an association for planes, an association for...supplies or whatever they started to be called in fashion there, different words, i just want us not to deceive ourselves, because you know , when they said a year and a half ago that the f-16 would be, well

there is no industrial potential to restore them to a state, to such a state that they can rise to the sky in the quantities necessary for ukraine, this is what we are talking about today, and why in europe for... they talked about the threat of an attack, that's why that even today europe itself has problems regarding the potential forces that can withstand mass attacks and the nature of the current war, behind this are also the decisions that have been made by national governments regarding the increase in defense orders and the construction of industrial facilities for production of equipment, ammunition, and weapons. mr. roman, do i understand correctly that until... 2022, europe did not seriously consider the possibility of a war against russia, and the current state of the military-industrial complex

is connected with this, or the war in ukraine, relatively speaking, digested much more weapons that they could oppose to russia, and now europe has somewhere to cover this shortage of ammunition and weapons in some way, to be precise, then ... until the middle of 2023 this position remained only in the middle of 2023 it became obvious and it is clear that waging war in the parameters that are taking place today in the russian-ukrainian war requires a radically different approach to the development of industrial potential, this is the first, and the second, mr. sergey, because you and i will be caught and they will start beating us... we have, the problem is that the technological leap that the chief of the general staff is talking about, and the former chairman of the committee of the chiefs of staff in

the united states of america, because they simultaneously announced this in march of last year, it can change the situation, radically change it, and we are talking about completely different technological approaches and completely... different weapons, in fact , to date, this is where the challenge is today, including the alliance called ramstein, because it is not just about reacting to russian attacks in the same way the most massive iron and weapons, we are talking about raising the technological level rather than about a technological leap and the use of modern weapons. which can paralyze those quantitative mass indicators within which the russian armed machine operates, mr. roman,

russian dictator vladimir putin promised members of the so-called svo new strikes on ukraine after the attack on belgorod. let's listen to what putin said. we hit high-precision weapons, at places where they make decisions, at places where military personnel, mercenaries gather, at... other centers of this kind, at military objects, first of all, these strikes are quite sensitive, so we will do that, here you are you probably noticed that literally the next day such blows were inflicted, and today, in my opinion, they are being inflicted, tomorrow we will do them, you know after all, what is the point of what they are doing, they

want to scare us? and can ukraine increase its attacks on military facilities on the territory of the russian federation, and what do we need for this? let's go back to belgorod, because for... for many, this question is stuck in the throat and it is incomprehensible to many people, and yes, first of all, was this a ukrainian targeted attack on the civilian population? no, no, and to date it has already been said dozens of times about what actually happened, how it happened and so on, and here it is very it is important to clearly take a position: the ukrainian

army, the ukrainian armed forces. the defense forces do not fire at the civilian population, secondly, putin is lying, lying, because he understands very well that he has no other way out, because he is lying about the fact that they are hitting military facilities, military facilities, and secondly , what he is lying about is that these russian weapons are high-precision archives, they hit the sky, as if with a finger, wherever they hit, and the essence of these u... moat is to force both ukraine and the world to certain actions, the essence of which is in order to sit down at the negotiating table. in parallel, in parallel, pay attention to these strikes, we have already drawn one parallel with you, the second is that a whole series of articles appeared in the european world mass media

about putin giving... giving signals regarding negotiations, and this should only be understood yes, such was and remains the tactics of the moscow führer, always, since 2014 . hence, on this, i also told, i must say, sorry, it is necessary not to reflect on it , but to react, for this there must be appropriate, including verified points for striking, not ha'. strikes, precision strikes, ranging from sabotage to missile strikes. regarding the transfer of strikes to the territory of the enemy, it seemed to me that until two years ago this was closed, it is impossible to win a war by fighting only on one's territory, and this is not only my statement, this is what

the majority agree on today. analysts, the majority of experts, so whether brussels, washington, paris or berlin or kyiv wants it or not, the war will be transferred to the territory of the enemy, otherwise case, from all points of view, from the point of view of achieving victory, it will be paralyzed, and any achievement of the border under such conditions, because with missile and space strikes and high development. of their missile and space forces , the front is not built linearly, it carries a territorial principle, a general territorial principle, and this is how it should be understood, from here it is obvious that the strikes should be carried out on the corresponding objects of the enemy, while it is necessary to observe, as far as possible, international norms?