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congratulations, a million drones, firstly, is it real or unrealistic during the year, the second question is whether appropriate measurements have already been carried out, maybe we need to raise the bar a little , i don’t know, 2 million drones, well, but in any case , the key story is that we were able to produce at least a million at a normal quality level, you have my word, if we talk about plans and numbers, a million drones, is it a lot or not, and is it possible... to produce it in the shortest possible time or just within a year, then even with the current production capacity, this is a completely realistic number. ukraine has already reached certain production indicators this type of equipment, and there is nothing difficult about keeping this pace, our task is actually to increase it, so from the vision that we see now, we understand that it is absolutely possible to achieve greater results. if we talk about the need, then... unfortunately, one million

drones is not enough, and any number that we have in front of us will not be enough, because the pace and intensity of the use of this type of equipment is so high that we do not have enough of it and will not have enough of it even in the context of what if we talk about increasing production by two or three times will always have little such input, because it is extremely efficient, this is the direction that is currently being scaled as much as possible. this is the direction that has no analogues, if we are talking about world history and the comparative participation of robotics in world conflicts or wars, ukraine sets trends and the amount of equipment used by ukraine is the largest on the planet, and it cannot be produced in such a quantity anywhere. apart from how we need to get down to business and manufacture these drones by the hundreds of thousands indeed by millions mr. valery, if we are talking about the assembly of drones in... our country, we

can use chinese components , for example, to make this process faster, because if we manufacture them completely the whole cycle, then we understand that it can be more expensive in time and probably in money as well. what is your assessment as a specialist in this direction? if we now look at the source of supply of components for the assembly of ukrainian drones, foreign markets really prevail, but in order to reduce risks related to both logistics and the allocation of certain. component base, which is actually scarce now, then we need to understand that the only way to overcome these challenges is our own production and not only drones, not only the assembly of the drones themselves, but the full assembly of all possible components, this is the formation of a certain market where absolutely all components, from cameras to microcircuits, from batteries to body elements, must be manufactured locally on the territory of ukraine or on the territories of nato countries close to the territory of ukraine, but necessarily by the hands of ukrainian...engineers,

well, here is the key story, that's how marta touched on components and the production of components for a million drones, we understand that something is being done here in ukraine. something is at an appropriate level, something would like to be improved, but if, for example, we reduce everything to a single denominator with your, so to speak, practical eyes, where we would have to build up, because we do not just make drones , you know, for some tick there or to fulfill the so-called five-year plan with execution of drones , 1 million for the first year of the five-year plan, that is, we understand that the enemy is increasing its production, the enemy has done, perhaps more than we would like in... the enemy has a direct border with the people's republic of china, we generally we don't know what korean and north korean craftsmen are soldering now, and so on and so forth, but the enemy is now putting into production the large-scale production of drones, let them not be super-duper high-tech, but

effective. in fact, the enemy is really trying to catch up with ukraine in these directions, the enemy takes the experience that is received. on the front line, and actually trying to scale all this, the global market is on ukraine's side, and all countries that take part in the formation of the global market are on ukraine's side. if we talk about china, about its understanding or participation in these processes, then we all know that the processes of exporting equipment from the territory of ukraine to the territory of other countries, they are now complicated for this type of equipment and... lecturing as drones, and this concerns as of those directions that can be used in ukraine, the same restrictions limit the possible export to refia, so we cannot say that refia is able to fully scale this direction,

taking into account the unstable channels of external supply of components, but there is one problem that needs to be voiced aloud: the enemy has more money. and because of that, it 's trying to flood the foreign market with money to get orders or supplies of these components, and that creates challenges, we have to deal with that, to work, we need to make sure that the poor get nothing if possible , and ukraine can get everything, and under such conditions, we really need to make sure that violations of certain sanctions components, as well as the fact that the threshold really could not do anything. but we must really be responsible first of all for ourselves and we need to increase our own production and talk about the fact that russia can create something competitive here, it is not worth it, because russia is an authoritarian country, where many slogans sound exclusively

for broadcasting, exclusively for propaganda. nevertheless, ukraine is mostly silent about its achievements, and ukraine operates according to the principles of open markets. who makes equipment in ukraine? in ukraine, equipment is created by businesses or entrepreneurs. the state is an inefficient owner if we are talking about the experience of world democracy, and the state knows how and can guide ukrainian engineers to create something outstanding according to the standards that we need. so we're very different in terms of building even economies around that type of equipment. and here again ahead, and by the way, i understand that you are, after all, a supporter of the fact that there should be private entrepreneurs who will make the certain amount that the state will order, than, for example, there would be a state enterprise that could independently make drones? i am

a supporter of exclusively private history, when exclusively private businesses should build an ecosystem of manufacturing security equipment and compete with each other for more. quality, at a better price, for faster delivery of equipment and better training, and in this case we can really count on maximum scaling, because not only ukrainian companies can be entrepreneurs, but we can also attract foreign businesses that will invest in our economy. if we talk about the role of the state, then the experience of civilized countries, civilized education shows that the state should exclusively guide and... should not be responsible for challenges regarding the use of equipment for assembly or production, it can focus its attention on some confidential and very specific technologies , but once again, based on scalable processes and if any processes are really possible regarding

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almost, we understand that there is no decision of the american congress, so futurology is, so to speak, futurology. we will not do it, but mrs. nino, glory to ukraine, we congratulate you in the new year, glory to the heroes, i congratulate you, viewers happy new year. well, first of all, we would like to ask you about the state of our budget, so in anticipation of receiving aid from the european union and the united states of america. we hope that this help will be provided to us in a timely manner, but we already have a certain slight delay. yes, the question here is how active. we must use the gold and currency reserves we have, as actively as possible we must now look for additional financing programs, well , because the key story is to prevent turn on the machine, so we understand how it can be used by the enemy, in particular , because certain sentiments in our society may intensify, on the other hand, we understand

that extremely high stakes have been made specifically for production in ukraine, and here we have a lot of and... initiatives, i don’t even undertake to evaluate them, you know, then there is the improvement of the tax life, then they want to help us to close more quickly, and so on and so forth, well, this kind of struggle continues, you have my word, ms. nina, you you know me i would start with the mood inside the country, and just citizens and businesses, we have to evaluate it, because our ability, including in the defense of our country, depends on it, if we start talking about it... then i noticed , and this is probably what you are focusing on right now, that starting somewhere in the last decade of december, government officials start talking about unpleasant things that await us this year, and i think it became a cold shower for many people who hoped that everything

is fine with us, that after almost two years of war, we are already learned and trained. to exist in this story, that's not the case here. therefore, when you talk about the uncertainty with the help of donors, well, in fact, it existed even when the budget for 2024 was adopted, and we knew then that out of the 42 billion, only a partially confirmed amount was available, no more than 10-15, and we knew that there may be such a situation, and in fact i think that the positive result will be for ukraine and us. our donors and partners will not give up, but how long will it take for them to make a decision on the one hand, and on the other hand, what are we doing to to survive for at least a few months, if it drags on, for example, for january and february , the lack of aid, i mean, what are we doing, well, first of all, we saw shmyhal's letter,

which he sent to all international donors with the order to to spend lead meetings of the donor coordination platform , such an interagency donor coordination platform is about taking into account all the circumstances, that is, giving an answer to the question of how to survive in the first months of 2024 for ukraine, and i don’t know if he received an answer, but immediately there was a flurry of criticism and how about you are you planning to? what efforts are you making to provide all budgetary and social payments for the month of january in february or how much help we will have to expect. at the moment, i am not aware of any document that has been proposed to parliamentarians regarding spending cuts or spending reviews or any other actions that

the ministry of finance can propose, although sometime in the middle of december, the minister of finance... said that we no longer need 42 billions of loans, and 37, where five disappeared, where did they go, so understand either please, when 5 billion here and there allow themselves to plan, it means that we again have a very approximate budget for 2024, and to talk about the fact that there is nothing terrible, because it is a war, no, that is not possible, here right now, we should concentrate all of... the efforts of all bodies so that we have the most clarity, transparency and understanding, conveying information to people, so that we can respond to new economic challenges together. challenges, because really for two years everyone understood that some kind of economy was recovering, the infusion of money was huge, well the public debt to gdp speaks for itself,

it doubled compared to the 19th and 21st years, so it is obvious that we were helped, but did we do everything within the country in order to plan our lives further, i can clearly say no, and then move on. to the question that you said, so with business, will we somehow help the fops to survive, or will we liquidate them, which is written in the national revenue strategy, which has already been adopted and approved by the government, we will do everything possible so that taxes were paid easily, transparently, affordably, so that in general it becomes a law and such an everyday matter for both citizens and businesses, no, we increase the pressure on business, through the adoption of various decisions, including those related to the work of customs, we do everything outside the law, without accepting changes to the state budget, without accepting changes to the tax code, to the customs code, to

special legislation, this chaos, chaos, it will lead to the fact that people's agitation and attitude to injustice will increase, which should not be allowed at all now in our country, by the way, there is justice, ms. nino, today, i read about an initiative that is supposedly being considered in the office of the president and the verkhovna rada. at least this is what forbes writes about, and it actually concerns such a very risky business and a corruption component in the first place, it is like a reservation for those categories of conscripted men who will pay a tax of uah 600 per month, and thus they are supposed to work , or fight. i would like your professional opinion on such an initiative, if any will be delayed in this new mobilization law? you know, this question that you

just brought up, it's much more complicated. it seems to me that this policy, which is currently being implemented by the government, is to throw out some initiatives with society, try them, measure the degree, that is, society's attitude to this or that issue, and then adjust it. for saving their own ratings or something else, i don't like it at all, because starting from the law on mobilization, which has been buzzing around for several weeks and understood, that this is an absolutely unacceptable law and the subject of a legislative initiative, not the one that should submit, and the issue is not resolved that way, now this initiative that has been launched in society, i would like us all to understand that the economy should... work , we have to fill the budget, and for this we actually need the reservation of those employees who work at strategically important enterprises. who

defines these strategically important enterprises? well, of course, military, civilian or military administration. whether in a transparent way it is done, whether we, or the state has control over this process, or not... does this process include political colors, well, really, it is all related to many points that business owners can tell you about, such as this reservation is happening, what is actually happening and what is the huge difficulty now in many industries that require manpower, men's work, and take this issue and mix it with the fact that, how can it be without corruption, that... they were not paid in the tcc, so as not to the commission was paid, taxes were paid to the budget, to do something temporary, if only postponement of mobilization, well

, it seems to me that these are completely incompatible things, and when combined, again the government provokes in society, you know, such, not that injustice, but not friendship to each other, because we know about what they pay. .. are there any rewards and do they have certificates there or about, well, if the postponement of mobilization in an illegal way, here at the level of the law, so it seems to me that society will also give it an assessment, we can already see in social networks how they calculated what profit can be , which cannot be, and which is like this one injustice is unfolding now , it seems to me that well, every... step leads to the fact that we become less and less united, united in the fight against the enemy, unfortunately, because if we talk about that initiative, what if you pay 600 ...

personal income tax, and you can already be exempted from mobilization, that is , booked, such a person can be booked, this is a total wage fund of 33,400, and if you count everything, you can understand that we have many soldiers there is such a salary, payment for their work, for them service in the range of 33, 34 thousand, so... why not then exchange these positions and make it so that after all, people who are tired will be demobilized, and with the same workload, with the same return to the budget, they will be mobilized new faces, that is, listen, the topics are very complicated, you definitely can't get into it, based on such uncalculated, in general, some, well, small-town ill-conceived

initiatives. therefore, i think that this topic should not be aimed at diverting attention from possibly some more important things that will be carried out or not carried out in the law on mobilization, well, it is unlikely that anyone will seriously consider this matter, in any case , we understand that, most likely, such an initiative will remain at the level of an initiative, it will not even reach the relevant specialized committees, if we talk about, returning to the history with our fops and with our entrepreneurs, who are they waiting for, this is one moment, well, another moment, legal entities can finally legally buy land, 10,000 hectares, from january 1, so to speak, the process began, we have 2.5 minutes, regarding fops, i think this question is not easy for society, that is why it is included as an initiative in the national revenue strategy, well , it is unrealistic to implement, and this... we will

discuss it further and prove it to our partners, why the ministry of finance did this and included it in the national strategy, i still do not understand, to lose just such a movement of entrepreneurs , who are capable of everything and support the army and work and provide for their families, well, this is a shot in the foot. as for the land market, well, we know very well that this norm came into force on january 1, huh. what will be the initiatives of the verkhovna rada in principle, but we we will definitely initiate control, and you know, the responsibility of local authorities regarding land is very big now, this is, for example, to the participants in hostilities, allocating them, their land plots, plots and arranging this issue, so we have a lot of work ahead of us in the coming days meeting of the verkhovna rada, we will consider, we will see what

initiatives there will be, what kind of... agreement and how we will move forward, and control mechanisms, nina petrivna, are there any possible control mechanisms in this case? real control mechanisms, because you know, a legal entity can to work or feed off of this or that, i don't know, i don't know, banker or this or that bogus, bogus structure. it seems to me that the land market has already worked in such a way that all those who wanted to buy land have already bought the 100 hectares that were there from various false persons. are allowed and now they only have to merge into a pool, if this norm is postponed, then it will only mean that later this merger will take place, with regard to all significant moments in the land market, they have already started and have been operating for several years. thank you to you, nina yuzhanina, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on tax and customs policy,

was in touch with us, meanwhile... on espresso, it's news time. iryna koval and the news editors have already managed to prepare a fresh issue, so we pass the floor to you, iro, and tell us what will be in it. marta, thank you, well, the russians continue terror and murders on ukrainian soil, at the same time they accuse us of this. i will tell you more about everything in the issue. it's 4 p.m. in ukraine and the release is for your attention news on the espresso tv channel. in the studio of iryna koval. greetings to all viewers. in kherson , they said goodbye to 11-year-old hleb fudyuk, the head of the city's military administration, roman mrochko, said. the boy died on december 31 during a russian attack on

the naval district of the city. at the time of the impact, he was outside.