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greetings everyone, we are back, as promised in our studio maryana bujaryn, nuclear security expert, harvard university researcher, doctor of political science, welcome to our studio, ms. maryana, thank you for the invitation, yes i am

i didn't warm up the question to you, so i'm here reading the campus released and harvard president steps down yes, what happened to the president of harvard university wears a suit announced that she is resigning amid scandals, we just talked about it about the middle east about hamas, at harvard university people instead of thinking and... with matz-science run to judge hamas brother radnoy daloy israel , how it happened that from the center of intelligence, thought and science, harvard turned into a viper, an anti-semitic viper, of the leftist movement. well, in general , scientific institutions everywhere, including in the usa, mostly, if they were left-wing, of such a direction, yes, let's say, honestly. such was

a hotbed of these left-wing thinking and opinions, and what happened in the garda is really unfortunate, in particular, because the administration and the management did not react in time and did not respond adequately to these events, because obviously there are different opinions, so there are different points of view, but well, many unfortunate events happened, student societies. the community of student societies immediately after the attack, that is, even before the start of the operation against the gaza strip, came out with such a rather ambiguous statement that it was as if all the attacks on october 7 were attacks by hamas at the end of the day, if it was the fault of israel itself, i.e. they put responsibility only on israel and so on, which is obvious, well , not within any framework... the leadership

did not react in time then, yes, that is, it did not declare some kind of position, and this it went like a snowball, and now from the other side. also this president, i actually read her article last night, her open letter, published in the new york times, and she said that she was also subjected to a whole lot of abuse, hate and plagiarism, and she was called a bad word na na the letter n and so on, yes that it was also if not ok, and accordingly. well, she resigned and that's how it happened , in a word, we are waiting for a branch of the young army to be opened there in harvard, pioneer, look, any environment where there are young people, where there are students, those students are prone to

various left-wing movements , there are various students among them, as they said without resistance, who were not afraid to be kind, just a slightly larger number gathered, and at a certain point their views prevailed. it happens, well, it happens in history, it's always been like that, let's see for the entire last 20, not the last , penultimate century, but for this there are adults in the administration who must guide, adults it is important and good when there are adults, and when some movements among adults begin , it is a little more difficult, i am now talking about that here in europe there is such a threat, that in the coming period, the coming years, europe can be taken over, the right can be taken over'. movements, not left-wing, but right-wing, are different, right-wing are different, but here are the right-wing ones that have already come to power in some places, and here in holland, in particular there is also the prospect of not the best result from ukraine's point of view of the elections in austria at the end of next year, eh, what can, how

can europe change, if these are right-wing with their right-wing views, with not-so-good ones. ideas about cooperation with ukraine and support for ukraine will come to power en masse, is this what we are talking about now, is it really realistic, because peter pavel, the president of the czech republic, says that the 24th year will be very difficult, and this is a military man , and as we can already see from his various answers and reports, good understands not only military affairs, but also what is happening in the world, because he is right, right, by the way, well, this is not a new problem, it is not a problem of only the 24. fourth year, it is the rise of right-wing movements, populist right-wing movements, yes? just why am i emphasizing so much, i apologize for interrupting in the 24th year, because this is the year of elections, elections in the whole world, somewhere i read that the largest share of the entire population of the planet will vote

in the 24th year than ever, 78 countries will hold elections , 83 elections of elections of different levels, ot such statistics, well, some... we know the election , it is very easy to predict, so it won't change anything there, putin's election, yes putin's election, regarding europe, after all, i tend to see some positives as well, let's look at poland, so we everyone waited with bated breath to see what would happen there after the elections, be it in the fall or when they were there in the fall, and she still came. before the government , this democratic opposition and centrist centrist forces and these right-wing forces have lost their positions, so now the government has changed, that is, there is already a plus here, including

for ukraine and to support ukraine. in relation to others, yes, no, no, it’s also not necessary to eliminate the fact that the russian... special services, they are not sleeping, they have not gone anywhere, we know that they are actively working, supporting, fueling this discourse, ultra-right or far-right, and so on. in european political forums, as well as in the elections, but how should we act and how to classify, we know that there are right-wing people, well, right-wing people in italy now, and this is support. despite the various things of ukraine, it is the ukrainian-russian war, and there is a right, which one together with the leftists , they always go to putin at the st. petersburg forum, but as the greeks would say, look at the series, draw conclusions, they did not draw conclusions, we have from hungary, we have another right-wing

populists, slovakia, yes, that is, how to classify, how to properly cook the right ones, what to eat them with mayonnaise, how to lay them out... in principle, i cannot answer this directly, but from the side of, say, the ukrainian government, we must try to work, so there is no single formula here , work with those. it is provided to cooperation, and if they are not willing to cooperate, then convert them to our side, seek understanding in our problems, if not, then we need to find a way to somehow neutralize them for us, and how can you neutralize the populism of fitz, for example, or orban, orbán, look , there are still ways, they opened it up, a decision was made for sure, with a long euro, and a long euro, well... how are there any ways, they asked orbán to go out, drink

coffee and made a decision, that is, even with such cunning methods it is somehow possible to neutralize, well, we ourselves say that there are many elections, well, maybe the general budget of the european union does not have enough money to continue buying political prostitutes, because it is billions, it is a lot of money, so who will have to be bribed, so given? a cabaret like orban, who has some different, let's say, in italy there is more of a problem of migration from africa, and support from the eu regarding, well, regarding help with this problem, everyone has their own political, there is not one here, yes, one, one a solution for everyone of the far-right, but it is true that there is such and such a model of the political, political spectrum, which is a horseshoe, where. the ultra-right and the ultra-left converge on some of the same positions, and as you say, the point

of contact is historical, you know that the cpsu, the cpsu, the enzdap, the same theses, but with europe, you say, there are right-wingers, there are leftists, and there is also trump, and here it is not at all clear what to do and it is not necessary that the decisions of the judges of the states of meni colorado, they will remain the same. and will not allow trump to move further, we can also see the ratings that he is actually overtaking biden, especially in those states that are not fully decided there, after all, the results of public opinion polls about trump are much better, unfortunately for us, for trump, they are better, for us, unfortunately, it is not very good, can the situation change radically in the world after the elections , if trump wins, we understand that the states are already working to... anticipate and block the possibility for trump, for example, to withdraw from nato there, but to help ukraine, it will

also largely depend on him. of course, that is, here, here some good news from elections, the election of trump as president , this year is impossible to wait for, neither for ukraine, nor for the world, nor for, well, in the end the united states, we see what is happening there, how much it - well, it radicalizes, polarizes the political discourse, people just hate each other purely for some kind of political positions, as far as it can be converted into something, we are just an easy state, we have something like this, part of ukrainians hated another part in the days, do you still remember that maidan, when yanukovych was running for president, and then also. eyes are orange and white and blue, somewhere the bark is yes, and now it is in the states, which has never been so

aggressive, and the dividing lines ran even along families, and some such rational arguments, they are no longer cited at all, that is, here if such the politics of the party, ideologies, which absolutely, well , we cannot imagine the washington maidan, that is, what it will lead to, well, there was already something there last january 6. year it was already some kind of riot, it did not resemble, it resembled an assault, but still it was unprecedented in political life of the united states, and this is already some indication of what can potentially happen there, after all, there are those 70 million americans who voted in the year 16 for trump, that is, in 2020 for trump, they did not. no matter where they go, they will continue to vote for him, as the polls show, and the fact that

the united states has such a huge influence, whatever happens in the united states has a huge influence on international politics, we understand why trump has such popularity, because it promises such popular own solutions, simple, fast, that look, i'll come here once in 24 hours , i decided the war there, i destroyed it there, i helped here in the country of megadu, saakashvili's office of simple solutions, remember. it's one thing to say and declare that i have mechanisms, and the second thing is to implement it all later, well, that's the whole mystery of trump, because he already had four. years to implement what he did not promise, he actually did not implement any of it, did not build some such simply impenetrable wall, through which no mexican emigrant there will be able to climb into texas or, well, into these southern states, he he didn't do it, he didn't solve the problem of migration, there are tax changes, the tax code has actually

spilled over to many people, the same ones who vote for it, they now pay more taxes, it was. in fact, these tax changes worked for the richest, not for the middle class, yes, but they are blaming all this now on biden, although the decision was made before biden, the results are now and they are in everything that trump actually did a few years ago, now the responsibility is simply transferred to today's government, well, classic, it's also partly because, well, let's just say, biden is already 80 years old, he's the kind of old grandpa who's going to run for president again for... young people, even for, well , the alternative, let's just say, is often not very attractive to many of voters in the united states except for those few, no one really, except for those few , let's say, traditionally, there is no such thing in the legislation that the president is valid, acting, must again,

if he does not go for a second term, but that's what biden decided, in my opinion ... it would be correct to take the place of someone younger, more dynamic, it is not known why , there is such a person among the democrats, well, there is probably a big party, a big country, i think that someone more suitable would probably be found, whether from the senators or from whom, and from the republican side, it is not known why the republican party is just letting itself be destroyed by this trump wing, the minority dominates the... us ambassador to the un for a time during the term of trump, during the presidency of trump, she is a prude, yes, she is a republican, yes, she it has its own views with which you can disagree, but she is an absolutely adequate person and may be a good politician, but here are some such

rational proofs or arguments, it is not known how much they are today. no, well, that is, we take it into account night and day, well, but we say today. kirby said it all. the money has run out. the years have ended for military support packages for ukraine. we will ask you to explain to the audience, because this is the price of ukrainian lives, both defenders and those in the rear. the price of those roads, which were called the migration package, is the same at first, everyone thought it was all about a mexican-style wall. to the state border, and this is a whole complex of everything, anyone who has seen it, who watches american satellite television, could see how terrible it looks when thousands of columns push to the american border, it is more terrible than how muscovites drive some palestinians there to finland the border,

it is much more scary, what is the price of the question, just explain, because in our country it is the price of the lives of ukrainians, and this... the migration trades around, what is their risk, the essence? well, this migration one the problem is long-standing, yes, it goes back to obama, and earlier, and on this , on this platform, on some, on this issue, partly trump left, because well, this is really a real problem, yes, i think , the mistake of the democrats for several years now is that they somehow try to submit it to the humanitarian... these undocumented, poor people, they have nowhere to go, and they are asking us to come to the united states, and we we treat them so badly. yes, this is partly true, yes, there is a terrible problem, in many countries of south america, where or central america, where are these migrants coming from, but, well, as you say, these are

hundreds, thousands of people, many of them are just children, children are sent by themselves, so what to do with them, i. .. in general to metabolise this problem into the political system of the country, and this is also a question of the rule of law, let's say, you and i, if we want to go to the united states, we go to the embassy, ​​we fill out all these questionnaires, it's all difficult, and we we go through all these procedures, but someone can just take it and cross the border, that's the same it is unfair, of course there are completely different schedules, different motivations and so on, and this problem must be solved, it must be solved by building a wall, obviously also... is naive and it will not be solved in this way, this is this is a deeper problem, which must be solved systematically, and the republicans have now decided to use... that is, to use the issue of aid to ukraine transactionally, but we need the money already, and this discussion can still

last 10 years, anyway, it will not last 10 years, as i understand it that the republicans decided to use this very moment , not to wait for this urgent need for money in ukraine, i would not give up yet, that is, these negotiations are ongoing, they... they did not decide before the holidays, before the christmas holidays , so in the senate, but the administration in principle it takes effort that you have to negotiate there, yes, too, but don't have special illusions either, you have to be ready for everything, mrs. mariano, because besides that, besides the neighbors, besides mexico, there is one more thing that they are very afraid of americans, and actually trump can speculate on that too, it is about nuclear. the war about the fact that russia can press a button at a certain moment, and this is the very reason why they often argued that they do not give ukraine everything, in the end, the attackers also did not want

to give it because of this. is it a real application today, is this form of nuclear blackmail, which russia has been resorting to for decades, really the same today as it was, for example, in the 70s, or can we breathe out and simply not... pay attention to it, while in russia has nuclear weapons, it is not necessary to exhale and ignore them, unfortunately, as long as they have a nuclear weapon in that regime, that country, with its ambitions weapons, this must be absolutely taken into account and come up with how to deal with it in such a way that the worst does not happen from the side. it seems to me that we need to make clear what is a nuclear war and what is the use of nuclear weapons, a nuclear war is when it happens between two nuclear

states, respectively, why it cannot happen in principle, because there is a strategy of deterrence , if russia applies, the thought of somehow using nuclear weapons against the usa or nato, then it will receive the same in response a nuclear strike or something. such a weighty answer, and accordingly, knowledge of this should restrain russia, give such a gift at the beginning, but the use of nuclear weapons in ukraine, the strategy of nuclear deterrence does not work on us here, ukraine has neither its own nuclear weapons, nor the umbrella of this nuclear weapon from an ally , we have to say goodbye literally in a minute to give the floor to the news, i will ask you. to summarize briefly, what can now protect ukraine from that russian nuclear strike? tactical, for example, there artillery enriched uranium, projectile, with appropriate detonation, or pollution,

like a dirty bomb. right now, i think the international community, the community, and the united states, and also certain partners of russia, like china and india, they have to be very clear about their emphasis. dots, what application, well, they said something to putin in private conversations, as far as we know, but this should be declared very clearly and at the international level, this, i think, might work, by the way, no one is waiting for trump, like muscovites, who is competing with north korea, in moscow they are shouting trump is ours, he says, he will become president soon, we will meet again, we will be together. thank you for the conversation, an expert on nuclear security and a researcher

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