as a specialized committee on this bill, i think that there will be very serious and difficult discussions in closed session for a few days with the involvement of representatives of the military and the government, in order to listen to all positions regarding the mobilization plans, and well, mobilization is not an end in itself , it should be based on our strategic plan, on our plan for this year, the war plan, and under this, under this . and physical resources, and technical resources, and weapons, and the economy, and actually, i understand that now the plan of the banking authorities really transfer everything from this recent law of collective bezuglo, signed by shmygal, to the national security committee, which is supposed to make some, as they say, compromise bill, but let's see who is in the national security committee, first of all, bezuguya herself is there, she plays there , if not the first, then... and not the second discount

, not ending up with the same bald ones there, maybe less active, therefore less well-known, but believe me, no less dangerous, and it seems to me that this once again confirms the thesis of european solidarity, that this law, the draft law must come from the supreme commander-in-chief, this is the first, second, you are absolutely right that the parliament is currently working in an absolutely abnormal mode, never in times of crisis in any country would this happen... the parliament sat there for two plenary days a month, it's like the whole feat seemed to be that we were there considering the amendments for four whole hours, absolute madness, when the chairman of the verkhovna rada cannot organize the work of the verkhovna rada, especially when we have a monomajority, when we do not know the work schedule of the verkhovna rada, when we do not have transparency of the work of the verkhovna rada, when we cannot suppress the presence of journalists there, when we cannot suppress broadcasts.

and ukrainians are very often such a discovery for them, so why did they vote it, and what is in that budget, and it is true that 2 billion hryvnias are going to the marathon, and honestly, that such a law was discussed, well, it is not normal, when the head of the supreme councilors and servants, even the rada channel was leased to the office of the president, and there are endless advisers, advisers of the office, instead of showing so sensitive, high-profile discussions that concern such important topics for the country, and therefore i... i want to tell you that already in the first decade of january, plenary days will begin there, we will again raise the issue of the full-fledged work of the parliament, full-fledged plenary weeks, the day of the government in the parliament , sorry, we are really confusing prime minister shmygal with charles michel, because charles michel is more often in the verkhovna rada, shmygel was in the parliament once during the two years of the war, friends, it's not normal when you can't for... thank you ,

thank you, ms. irina, i hope that after after a short weekend, the verkhovna rada will take up consideration of the draft law on the weekend, but we will strive for normal work, so thank you, it was iryna gerashchenko, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on youtube, don't be stingy, please like this video, so that... it will be trending on youtube , well, take part in our survey, today we ask you about can mobilization be replaced by an additional tax for conscripts yes no please vote on our youtube it's pretty simple there yes no if you watch us on tv pick up your phone or smart phone and vote if you think that in this way the question of mobilization can be solved, that is, a person pays an additional tax and does not mobilize, then 0800... 211

381 no 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free. at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. then in politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-19. pavlo klimkin. mr. pavle, i congratulate you. thank you for joining our broadcast, and happy new year. of course, friends, happy new year to everyone. so real, and glad to be with you, mr. sergey, as always. this week, mr. pavle, was marked by the fact that the russian occupiers massively shelled ukraine, two massive strikes on december 29, at the end of the year on the 23rd and at the beginning of the 24th, on january 2. in your opinion, putin is demonstrating his impunity to the world and does he... just want to become a

go down in history, world history, as the number one terrorist in the world. i think it's not about the story, he really wants to show... that he's capable of delivering these blows, unfortunately those blows didn't come as an emotional shock, well they didn't come as an emotional shock for us either, but we did them too, somehow expected, but unfortunately, they did not become an emotional shock for our partners, they are unique, just as our response is unique, no one else in the history of the military. rulers, and in fact in world history did not manage to repulse the blow where they were involved drones, various types of missiles, and the main thing is hypersonic weapons, and we actually show that it is possible to fight with them, but in a paradoxical

way our partners look at these successes, which owe, among other things, to ... air defense rates from them with the best permanent adjustments, changes software that allows for a better response, but nevertheless, it does not cause them the sense of urgent actions, urgent in the sense of real time, and does not cause, unfortunately, the emotional shock that should be generated from... these videos in fact , which, which you show, and when you are in kyiv, you you feel it either in odesa, or in khaykov or in kherson or in the dnipro, and wherever, crooked horn, you feel it directly, you feel it both with your heart and with your mind, and that is why we

need a really strategic response, first help, then the expansion of these types of weapons that are critical for us... of course, the further development of air defense, and i would say anti-missile defense, as well, since we now have to talk about the possibility of deploying anti-missile complexes on the territory of ukraine, and not only the air defense shield , is an important point , about which we have talk with our partners, well, and everything else related to this, but nevertheless, i don't see it yet. from our partners an answer that i would consider adequate to these blows. mr. pavle, poland's foreign minister , radoslaw sikorski, said that we must respond to the attack by the russian federation in a language that putin understands,

poland's foreign minister called on western countries to provide ukraine with long -range missiles and increase sanctions against russia in response. missile terror" to quote mr. sikorsky. we have to respond to the latest attack on ukraine in a language that putin understands. strengthening sanctions to prevent him from creating new weapons with contraband components and providing kiev with long -range missiles that allow him to destroy launch sites and command centers, sikorsky wrote on twitter. today , information appeared that the ukraine-nato council will convene for an emergency meeting through a mass meeting. strikes of the russian federation, one of the key topics announced will be the strengthening of air defense of ukraine, an important signal of the euro-atlantic unity against the background of the escalation of russian terror. mr. sikorsky said quite clearly that there are two issues: sanctions and long-range missiles,

air defense is important, but long-range missiles, because without long-range missiles, russia will continue to use its territory adjacent to... the ukrainian state for that , in order to carry out attacks, including with s-300 or s-400 systems. what do you think about this, can the west quickly decide on long-range missiles, or will it again be a hesitation about whether it will be accepted by russia, as the involvement of the north atlantic alliance in ukraine's war against russia. let's figure it out, and which ones? what exactly are the means and what kind of missile weapons do we need to get these platforms or launchers, and we see that they are launched from ships in the black sea, and we can get these ships, of course, if we have

more lethal weapons, cruise missiles in particular, and this is a very, very important story, but also these missiles are launched, for example, from russian aircraft that are over the territory of russia, or the caspian sea, for to get them effectively, you need a quality other. weapons for that, for example, such missiles as tauros will definitely not be enough, i feel the mood in the west as a desire to gradually and unfortunately very slowly raise the stakes, it is obvious that now the west will consult, and which , what is its own answer, what wrote radik, radik sigorsky, you just... quoted him, of course, a very good story, we just have to understand, and

what will the americans actually say, since such missiles, which are capable of working effectively enough against russian targets, they are in the americans, the germans have, well, some of our other partners partly have, but this answer depends on them, and it is with them that we need to talk now, and talk strategically, of course, they will again calculate the possibility of escalation, the possibility of technical use of these missiles, and a lot of different things, but long-range weapons are one of the critical issues along with the different kinds of drones that we critically need, as far as sanctions, i'm a little bit skeptical here, unfortunately, because sanctions work, sanctions are effective, but they are working for a fairly...long term, medium term, and one of the reasons is the endless holes that exist,

they exist across many countries, mainly in asia, look at what's happening through turkey, the gulf countries, india, kazakhstan, china , well, whatever, the latest figures for china, well, i specifically looked at the trade statistics there, vehicles compared to the 21st year, in the 23rd eight times, machine tools there, in my opinion, in 10, half, not even there, not by 50%, by 8-10 times, that is, everything is brought in as a group and in retail, and this is where we need our partners to actually try to cover at least some of these endless endless holes. we understand that these are all machines , what they are used for, and transport vehicles, we also understand what they

are used for, that is why the sanctions are the last ones applied by the west, and russian diamonds, and something else, these are all good stories, but this is critical these sanctions are not enough, they will not change the behavior of the russian regime, it is necessary to start with difficult decisions, they will cost... the west, they are not easy geopolitically, including against the background of what is happening around gaza, including against the background of complex, i would not say bad, but very complex relations between the states and china, in 10 days, as you know, there will be presidential elections in taiwan, on which a lot also depends, therefore, before accepting the overhang... sanctions, it is necessary to actually ensure that they work, and this should be our main,

main push to our partners , not even a call, appeals will not achieve anything here, here you need to sit down and have such a very direct, frank and tough conversation, not necessarily public, you don't need to bear it at all, but such a conversation is also necessary with clear ones. what in what areas can we do somewhere together , and where exactly should they work, otherwise russia will continue to produce weapons, so they will cost her much more, and we see this, how she gets these microcircuits and so on, but nevertheless gets, and this is very disturbing. mr. pavle, yesterday dmytro kuleba, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, indicated five steps that... the west can take right now: first, to speed up the provision of additional air defense systems and

ammunition to ukraine, second - to provide ukraine with combat drones of all types, third - to provide ukraine with missiles with a long range of 300 km plus, fourth - to approve the use of the freezing of russian assets to help ukraine, fifth - to isolate russian diplomats in the respective capitals and international organizations. it seems that this is the list. which dmytro kuleba cites, the event has actually progressed to the end already this year, well, at least about the freezing of russian assets to help ukraine. it was said on the eve of the new year about 300 billion dollars of assets that are frozen in banks, western banks, in your opinion, is this the announcement that these 300 billion can go to ukraine, or was this not the reason why putin decided

to show by force that he will simply destroy ukraine so that this money does not reach ukraine at all... because with such destruction and with such terror that putin is showing in the west, he wants to say that whoever you want to give money to, i will simply split it up. no, i don't really see a direct connection here, i rather see a desire to show that putin is in control of the situation and still capable of breaking through air defenses. western and able to get what makes ukraine work in the sense of both military and civilian stability, talks about assets have been going on for a long time, lately the americans are slowly but moving forward, they

are thinking about how to start giving us assets and use them for financing of ukraine. in part this is caused by the difficult situation in the congress and difficult discussions and the necessity to supplement the financing, which i am sure will be agreed by the americans also at the expense of russian assets. to a certain extent , a weak link, well, maybe not a weak link, but not a certain link, these are precisely european countries, and most of the assets are precisely... in european countries, not in the states or in canada, or for example in japan. and there the question is that there are two dimensions: one political, one legal. the legal dimension is that they can seize these assets, but to take them and hand them over to us, a new the legislative framework, which is not there yet,

and it must be perfect, ideal, so that later russia does not go to court and try to ... unscrew it, and if it does so in even one case, it will be a slap in the face to the entire system, and all of us together, that's why we have to really ensure here that, as they say, there is not a single loophole in the legal, but the political dimension, it is more complicated, it is connected with the fact that there are many doubters in europe, including for example, those responsible for european finance. system, for example european central bank. they fear that if they take away the assets, then someone else will not invest in europe, will not keep assets there. in fact, the situation here is quite simple: do not engage in violations of international law and your assets will be in peace, will grow and will work

, but nevertheless, discussions continue around this, and discussions, unfortunately, are not about ... i understand that the americans really want to discuss this issue in february, there really are interesting ideas that can move the situation forward, well, somewhere in about a month we let's see to what extent these ideas will work both legally and in fact politically, so again, european countries, they are critical in this sense, well, as for russian diplomats there, well, russian... the embassy is basically such complex residencies that deal with actually subversive activities in the countries, contacts with the left, with the right parties, not all right parties are bad, i have to say, we have the right to work with, the swedish ones, or look at

milona, ​​but there is also a sophisticated right that can get more and in national elections and in... the european elections this year, so in that sense we will have a lot of challenges, by the way, about the elections, mr. pavle, i wanted to ask you about the elections of putin, not the president of russia, but the elections of putin, let's say this, because in in march of this year, these pseudo-elections will be held, including in the occupied territories of ukraine, which were announced by the kremlin. those who entered the russian federation, what do you think, how realistic is it, the west may not recognize them. elections through these very elections that will be or pseudo-elections that will be organized on our territory, i.e. how realistic is it that putin will be the so-called president

of the russian federation, just as alexander lukashenko is the so-called president of the republic of belarus. the situation with lukashenko is different. with lukashenka, the situation is that, like you, we all remember. the elections, which seemed to be elections, were not elections at all, paraphrasing a well-known sentence, the situation in russia is different, and i believe that one of the key tasks of ours, and not only ours, our friends for this year, is to ask before the event the question of whether that the election, which carried out in the occupied territories... make putin the illegitimate head of russia, or at least limitedly legitimate, this is a difficult political discussion, since the west wants

to keep the possibility, at least theoretical, of some kind of communication with the head of the russian regime, and we have to, unfortunately, take this into account , but to ask the question that... conducting elections in the occupied territories is not for russia, for putin personally, to pass without any consequences, legal, political, it is absolutely critical, and here to get by with some additional formal or with semi-formal sanctions, will show the fundamental weakness of the measure, and this is what we really have to say, this is exactly the point where we have to speak... absolutely straight text, straight text from the point of view that holding elections in the occupied territories delegitimizes the entire election process,

and it must have consequences, what is the matter for political discussion, so far, as you can see, the matter is not brought up in general, but i think it is the most critical matter, and in the case of ... limited, not even if the full recognition is one story, but even in the case of limited recognition, for example, when the west declares what it can do with a limitedly legitimate president, what he cannot do, this will put putin's legitimacy inside russia and in general into question, and here in fact there is room for maneuver, and this must be done. thank you sir. mr. pavle, thank you for the conversation, it was pavlo klimkin, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-19. friends, we continue to work live on

the tv channel, as well as on our platforms on youtube and facebook. for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, please like our video, so that we have been trending on youtube and facebook, and take part in ours. today we ask you about this, is it possible to replace mobilization with an additional tax for conscripts, yes, no, please vote on youtube, it's quite simple, leave your comments, what do you think about it under this video, and those who are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone and vote if you think so tax, instead of mobilization, there may be an additional 0800 211 381, not 0800 211. 82. all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next with us is political scientist ihor reiterovych. mr. igor,

i congratulate you. thank you for joining our broadcast. it's a little better now. mr. igor, i congratulate you, you already hear, right? yes, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. mr. igor, we ask our viewers who watch us both on tv and on our platforms. in on social networks and on youtube about whether it is possible to replace mobilization with an additional tax from conscripts, this topic is now being pumped into the information space, what do you think? i think that it is not possible, we must understand one very simple thing, that the question of mobilization is not only a question of the law itself, it is not only a question of who should be subject to this mobilization, it is a question including. and certainly, well, a certain concept like justice, it is political, we understand that, but if restrictions are introduced, for example, according to some, well, according to

some kind of material a sign, then they will clearly not be positively perceived in society, because, well, this will give rise to disagreements between different social groups, which exist and can lead to a huge number of conflict situations, this is the first moment, the second moment, it is connected with the fact that well, if we look at the proposal that is currently being discussed, it seems that on the one hand it has not been officially confirmed, but on the other hand there are many conversations about it, that is, it is clear that there is no smoke without... fire, something similar is being discussed somewhere, so if we look at this one proposal, then there are questions even from the point of view of its economic or some other expediency, because it is presented as the need to protect, well, some critical industries, so that people have a certain reservation there and can perform the tasks assigned to them, ensure the development of the economy, support, for example, there is critical infrastructure and so on, but the amounts that appear indicate that... this, well,

the mobilization will not affect then, well, to put it mildly, not those who deal with specific matters, but some management personnel, and this in once again brings us back to the same social justice, well, and the third most important point, if you look at the historical experience of similar stories, when there was a possibility of a certain redemption, and well, in fact , it’s called that, it’s very difficult to call it another way, that’s was extremely negatively perceived by the societies where these initiatives took place'. and it did not contribute, let's say, to the improvement of the quality of mobilization and in general the desire of people, well, then to live according to the laws that are in place in the country, since there is always a fear that someone just, who has more money, will be able to illegally or legally buy this deferment, while someone who does not have it, they will be forced to live according to

the legislation that exists in this or that country. therefore, look, this idea, it is even dangerous, not that it is harmful , it is dangerous, it is better not to bring it up for discussion in this format at all, it is better to talk, for example, about the features of the reservation system in general and the creation of a transparent, open system, well understood by everyone, why some there will have, for example , a deferment, some will not have a deferment, and on the basis of this, well, if they will be accepted. some decisions, at least from a large part of citizens, they will not cause any objections, but what is telling is that very little is said about the system of this reservation and the system of these postponements, which leads to certain not very pleasant thoughts. well, mr. igor, in general , the leaders of the state do not talk too much about the mobilization, because it turns out that the mobilization of 2024 needs leadership,

political, including the leader. in order for this process to take place and for this process to take place in a way that is understandable for society, so that those who can be mobilized, whose disability or group of disabilities can be canceled there and transferred to the status of those who can be mobilized, so that they do not stand in queues to the polish border in kilometers, as we see it now, in your opinion, this is what is happening to people who... massively began to leave the borders of ukraine and stand in these queues, is this a failure of communication, insufficient communication, or in the principle is that not a single person has now, well , not officially presented this mobilization plan or the mobilization bill, and it turns out that we all live within the framework of this bill that

the government submitted, and now it turns out... that the servants of the people are preparing another bill of our own, that is, that there is no communication , that someone had to come out and say: yes, we are conducting this mobilization, we need this mobilization, we cancel such, such, such, and we take responsibility for it, because there is no other way out no either ukraine will be, or it won't be, well, i would call it a total failure of communication, since such things really need to be discussed at the stage of their preparation, and we... for several weeks, at least, saw this exclusively due to the publications of individual people's deputies who made such remarks, it is very difficult to name it in another way, on their facebook pages or during some few broadcasts and talked about the most controversial principles, well, of the draft law that was being prepared, and here it is a question of political responsibility, those people, on which are laid the politicians charged with this responsibility must…