and in this situation, terrorist states themselves, such as russia, such as iran and others, can also level the forms of international law, because they cease to operate in the modern world. what then is the main task for you and me? our first task is to preserve the ukrainian state. we must clearly understand that its disappearance, its transformation into another province of this chimerical historical russia. and is the main goal of our enemy, not crimea, not donbass, not the south, but simply that ukraine does not exist, this is what the russians put in the words final the solution of the ukrainian question, because this is the final solution of the ukrainian question for the russians, it is the key to the empire, for centuries the ukrainians were the only real people of the russian empire who could... in terms of

numbers and opportunities be a competitor of the russians, so the russians need, first, that the ukrainian state was not there, and the second is that the ukrainians themselves were not there, at least in terms of numbers, and you can see that they are persistently pursuing their goal, if we look at the tomographic situation in which we are now, in which we found ourselves as a result of their latest attack, we will see it as a demographic failure, but this has happened more than once, they are systematically destroying the ukrainian presence on ukrainian lands. second, what we must achieve by preserving the ukrainian state, we must preserve the ukrainian people, because a state without a people has no meaning, and therefore a huge task for all of us is to ensure that ukrainians remain on ukrainian land, this the question of a rather complex political and military balance between this war that we are currently waging. and our wishes

to crush the enemies as an effort to include more ukrainians and the military and civilian population in this war. the third issue that needs to be resolved, and this is also a very important issue, is the issue of territorial integrity as justice, and here we cannot resolve it on our own, even if we imagine the greatest successes of the armed forces of ukraine on the way to the liberation of our lands. territorial integrity of ukraine is a matter of the political will of the civilized world, and if we do not prove to the civilized world that international law has priority in this war, otherwise it leads to the globalization of the conflict and its disruption in all regions of the world, then not only ukrainians, but all of us in the civilized world will be bitterly disappointed by how the situation will develop. the fourth question that needs to be addressed is when we talk about the future. of the ukrainian state, is that

it should remain ukrainian, you understand, that on the streets of our cities, from uzhgorod to donetsk yalta, the ukrainian language should be spoken, not just as an obligation, because it is written so in the constitution, because states are not created by constitutions, but by people, and because people themselves should wish to return to the language of their parents. parents, even when they live in specially russified and denationalized regions, the concept of what is the difference, and it is easier for us to talk, should disappear from our political vocabulary once and for all. there is no explanation for the fact that there are other peoples who speak the languages ​​of other peoples and live well for themselves, like the irish or norwegians. in our

situation does not look convincing from this the simple point that great britain has no claim to take over ireland again, and denmark has no claim to take over norway, and therefore their civilizational choices are not related to their self-preservation, and we live in the shadow of empire all the time, which uses any reluctance we have to return to ourselves to destroy us. or turn them into their own janissaries, as, by the way, this is already happening with millions of fellow ukrainians who are citizens of the russian federation today? you have heard at least one word that sounded from ukrainian organizations in russia, from those people who should at least try to speak out against the war at this time, when it comes to the times. new information technologies, you

know, when the first ambassador of israel to the soviet union, goldemey, came to a... holiday at a synagogue in moscow, there gathered a huge number of people who could not be accommodated by the synagogue, people stood on the streets, after that, by the way, anti-semitic repressions of the soviet union, but the people were silent, they were simply silent, each of them was afraid to say even one word to the israeli delegation, or to say a word at all, because i understood that this could lead to prison repression, and so they said, she met with the jews in silence. but you and i live in different times, when there are no closed borders, these people were isolated in their country, when new information technologies allow one way or another to convey their opinion about what happened, when by and large we have to

understand that the putin regime , at least the first period of attack on ukraine from 2014 to 2022 was not yet recalled by stalinsky. travel book pam and savings.

the fact that we didn't get any reaction from the east, and this is the most painful thing for me to say, because i was one of those who created ukrainian organizations in russia in... in the late 80s, early 90s, and so it is there were not very many organizations, but we really wanted to show our compatriots here in ukraine that you can speak ukrainian freely on the streets of moscow and no one can do anything for it, and therefore you can also try in kyiv and kharkiv, that's how it was then situation, maybe it's not a matter of fear assimilation, you see, maybe it's a matter of the fact that a person who becomes... part of the empire becomes part of the imperial thinking , independent of his own ethnic and civilizational origin, that's what we have to remember when we say why we need to say goodbye with russian standards once and not always, not because it is somehow

inferior, bad, aggressive, not because russian culture is not as great as we have been told for decades, but simply... because it is foreign, and on this needs to be put to an end for all who understand it and for everyone who wants the preservation of the ukrainian state. and finally, the next task, which is already the sixth, seems to be in favor of the fifth, is that this state should be efficient, developed, rich and not corrupt. but for the majority of our compatriots with you, all this is the number one task, and that is why this number one task will never be realized, because in order to build an efficient, rich, modern and non

-corrupt state, one must answer the question, and why are you building it, why are there many efficient... rich, prosperous, successful , safe and non-corrupt states, you can then immediately go there and not worry about it, if it doesn't matter who you are, if it doesn't matter what god you pray to, if it doesn't matter what language you speak, if it doesn't matter does it matter what books you read to your child in the evening, if it doesn't matter what your culture looks like, what your community relations look like, what problems you are together about... many opportunities, you can become anyone, many wanted to, and this is a choice, it is not easy ,

i already told you that i belong to a people who had to make this choice for thousands of years from the moment. the loss of jewish statehood in the last millennium of our era after the defeat of the last rebellion against rome, and now, when the spanish... and the portuguese are doing dna tests, it suddenly turns out that 20-30, 40% of them have jewish roots, where jewish roots in such respectable christian peoples who invented such an ingenious model as the holy inquisition, well, where could this come from, and it is clear where, from those hundreds of thousands of jews who were baptized and... became jews and became spanish or portuguese. we belong

to those who did not want to be a part of a foreign world, and ukrainians are those who do not want to be a part of a foreign world, they are those who want to be ukrainians, and this is exactly what i always urge people to do in our country, because if you understand that you are ready to be ukrainian, if you understand... that you are ready to build a ukrainian state, then you will absolutely logically want this state to be rich, developed, efficient, uncorrupted, you will vote for political forces that they offer you such programs, those that say that in 14 days it will rain, and in 28 there will be a heavenly mane, you will have a head on your shoulders. this is not a simple historical experiment, and if you don't care about all this, if you demand

only an economic component from the state, you can get into a real civilization trap. you know, in august 1991, when the act on the state independence of ukraine was adopted, there was a serious discussion about it. how correct the decision will be to hold a referendum on independence, because in in many former soviet republics , such referendums were not held, there was no referendum on the independence of russia, and there was no referendum on the independence of belarus, and there was no referendum on the independence of kazakhstan, and this can be continued, only some countries allowed themselves such referendums, risking that , what more... the population will not vote for independence, because they are used to living in

the soviet union, and by the way, everyone in moscow, everyone i did not meet in those days, from august to december, almost all politicians, even people who worked in ukraine all their lives, and then started working in union structures, were sincerely sure that the referendum would fail, that ukrainians would never vote for such a thing. but many ukrainian patriots were also convinced of this , saying: what a referendum on independence, these people have just voted for a renewed union, how do you imagine they will vote for independence? and when i asked this question to the head of the supreme council of ukraine , leonid makarovych kravchuk, i came from moscow, met with him and told him, you you know, but they are all sure that the referendum may fail, leonid makarovych, and people are talking about it. and the administration of the president of the soviet union and the administration of the president of russia are oriented towards this, and alarin

makarovych told me: it seems to me that they underestimate the ukrainian people and underestimate the ukrainian apparatus. well, that's a completely logical phrase for leonid makarovich, i think, i always believed that leonid makarovich was a wiser person than me and believed that everything worked out for him, it will work out and everything worked out for her, but the question is that leonid kravchuk... let's say, was guided by a completely different paradigm when he thought about the referendum than the representatives of the ukrainian national democrats and than the representatives of the russian and soviet political leadership. he understood that ukrainians would vote for economic independence. all our propaganda before the referendum was propaganda of an economic nature. there are 10 children in a large family, and they don't get everything. in a small family, there is only one child, and everything will be hers. well, i'm like one. a child in the family, i absolutely agree with this logic, of course, a lot kra 10, my god, dividing everything by 10, in

the soviet union, in general, everything was divided by 15, some kind of disaster simply, but in fact this tactic, which led to the success of the referendum , led us to a dead end in the future, because we did not tell people, that economic independence is not everything at all, and that it cannot be ensured, that most people do not understand why it is building statehood, and that when new generations will appear, what will we tell them that you are here for the sake of , to live a lot, well... well, yes, but there are other countries nearby they live even better, why do we have to live a lot here, we can live a lot there, and if we are russian-speaking at all, and russia is so rich, and moscow is rich in general, then why do we have to sit here, this is the same logic that always allowed the empire to draw the best forces from ukraine, as soon as someone became smarter, more talented, with greater scientific

abilities, with a better voice, to sing in the opera, whatever, go there, in... in ukraine , we will create such an atmosphere that you definitely cannot happen there, the only place you can to take place - this is moscow. this is the logic of building an empire, and we had to break this logic after the 90s, to show that a person, as a ukrainian, as a creative person, as a citizen can develop right here, but it is very difficult to use such logic in a country that was united from the west to the east, exclusively and... the idea of ​​economic independence, despite the fact that in each region this statehood was imagined differently, and you and i came to this identity crisis imperceptibly for ourselves, we always said that it was not true, there is no need to divide ukraine, we don't have it there are no differences between the west, the east and the south, but you and i knew very well that

there are more people in the west who imagine ukraine as a classic european nation-state, people who... that ukraine can develop as a state only in union with in russia, in no other way, there are more people in the east, and people for whom absolutely everything is the same in the south. this is how the political map of the country looked for ten years. and only by and large the russian attack allowed us to move on to the construction of a true political nation, where people have values. and it seems to me that for... 2019 , which shows voting for the president in 2019, we all, we have already built this single political nation, the problem with the political nation is not in its quality, in its unity, and now, when we built this nation, and now it is trying to survive during the war, we

need to achieve its quality, its ukrainian quality, and that is already a question. next generations, i always said over the years, when i went into such audiences, they asked me, what's next, i told them, nothing it will not be terrible, reforms will simply begin, they may begin, they have begun, but they have not yet begun, 20-25 years after the reforms, the beginning of the reforms, the country is reforming , it becomes a member of the european union, it becomes a member of nato, and you live, if you want to build such a country, in a normal... i don't promise switzerland, but i guarantee romania. now i don’t know how i can say it, when we are talking with you during the war, our compatriots are dying right now, we don’t know when and how this war will end, but we can also calculate that it will take us five years.

10 for the restoration and reformatting of the economy, and if at the same time we can use these years to carry out real economic and political reforms in the country, then we will have these same 20-25 years to transition to life in a normal democratic european country, we need just to keep this country safe. for her to survive, for her to receive security guarantees, and then at the end of this conversation of ours, i can once again say what i said at the beginning, when i spoke back in the pre-war period, in 20-25 years we can build the ukraine that we all want, but 20-25 years after the end

of hostilities, but these hostilities showed us the level of... showed us the level of what we can lose, nothing good, as you understand , there is nothing good at all in war, but war has awakened, war, war has allowed, if war kills even one or two people, believe me, it is better to go longer by the way of evolution, or faster time by the way of death, but we we are already living in this historical era, and the survival of the nation in such... the historical era and the understanding of one's tasks and the understanding of the value of statehood - this is exactly what allows us to hope that these 20-25 years, which are needed for reforms. and the reformation of the nation and the state will not be in vain. thank you, please, questions. good afternoon, mr. vitaly, thank you for such a meaningful lecture. my name is marysya

tymoshevska. my question is this: you mentioned today the prime minister of israel goldamey, she said this, we can't always manage our own advice, so we have to have the courage to look at things real and act as the instinct of self-preservation suggests. so, how is the action... today for ordinary ordinary ukrainians in the second year of the war, because, as you know, the majority of young people today are at the crossroads of choice, what does choice mean? most of them are considering whether to stay in ukraine or find themselves abroad and already build a stable life there and not return, being a ukrainian there? frankly speaking, i'm not sure that we have any numbers now, one, two, i don't think... that we can impose a choice on a person, if a person wants to build the ukrainian state and myself in the ukrainian state, it will build the ukrainian

state that exists, if a person wants to realize himself and have great success, but i honestly do not understand why i should speak in ivano-frankivsk and not in new -york, i'm interested, i have a task for myself then. to ask the question: what am i even doing here? life brought, you understand, maybe these are high words, but i always believed that parents are loved not because they are successful, with three mercedes with a huge house in conchizasp, better somewhere in marbella, in marbella better than in conchisaspa and will always be better, not because they give you a lot of money. for which you can make such a cake for your wedding in the best traditions of the prosecutor's office of the lviv region, and parents

are loved because they are parents, if there is this instinct of internal self-preservation, well, if you just want to be ukrainian here, then you will try to build your life here and the state will be for you, if... you don't have such a desire, i don't think that anyone needs to be convinced, it's an internal state, you can't convince him, if you want to live in a country simply because you feel comfortable living there, you can choose any, i don't see any problem, if you want to be and remain a ukrainian, you will live here, absolutely not, again, i will turn to my jewish national experience, here is mr.... joseph, he will confirm it anyway , of course, you can be a jew anywhere, but if you want to remain a jew in the literal sense of the word, to realize yourself as a part of

the state, you will live in israel and build a jewish world in israel because it jewish state, although being a jew in ukraine or in the united states is also very comfortable, if you want to be ukrainian, you stay here, if you want to be ukrainian, you have to. to ukraine, you will stay here, if it is important for you to have ukraine, you will stay here, and if you just want to live comfortably and well, you will stay there, and this is not even related to the war, but to your self-awareness, that is everything, they are thinking in advance, how they will return people, i don’t know what the ukrainians are thinking about now, you just go to the next lecture, we will talk about demography, i'll finish, i don't know what to think about, it's not... a matter of politicians, because i 'm not sure that it will be easy to return people to post-war ukraine, but again, it's a matter of people's choice, we'll just see again on the quality of the nation, you see, it is normal, we

always try to tell ourselves that a ukrainian is some kind of sign of quality, and a ukrainian is just the norm, some ukrainians are good people, some ukrainians are bad people, bad people can also wear embroidered clothes and speak ukrainian language, there are ukrainians, who want to live in ukraine, there are ukrainians who do not want to live in ukraine, we are building a state that, by the way, will be able to contact and interact with the diaspora, but a state in which people want to live and be ukrainians, and it is very simple, and we don't know how many such people there will be, but as many as there will be, they will build this country, 2/3 of the irish people live in the united states of america, they even have the president of the united states of america, an irishman, but ireland, there are irishmen. who live in ireland built irish state, and all those irish people living in the united states of america look at it with loving eyes and say: oh, how beautiful, but they didn't build it, is it worth

thinking about it? thank you! on february 20, 2023, us president joseph biden will make an unannounced visit to kyiv. the cameras record how he, together with president zelenskyi , leaves the st. michael's cathedral to the sounds of an air-raid alarm. the visit was more than symbolic. at the beginning of the year, the west united in support of our state. chancellor of germany olaf scholz finally gave permission for deliveries of modern leopard-2 tanks to kyiv, and ukrainian servicemen were already learning the american patriot system in the state of oklahoma. it seemed that support for ukraine was stronger

than ever. we have created a coalition of countries from the atlantic to the pacific around the world. more than 50 nations are helping ukraine defend itself with unprecedented military, economic, and humanitarian support. we will be with you as long as necessary. at that time, only isolated voices were heard against the supply of weapons. the loudest of them is the prime minister of hungary viktor orban, who never tired of calling for so-called peace, even if... ukraine will have to give up its territories. if you look at the truth, if you look at the numbers, if you look at the fact that nato is not ready to send its troops to ukraine, it becomes obvious that the poor ukrainians will not win on the battlefield, which means that de-escalation and peace negotiations are needed. at the beginning of june, the ukrainian counter-offensive in the south finally began, it did not achieve quick

results, and already at the nato summit in... freedom, kyiv awaited the first disappointment. allies have clearly stated that they are not ready to invite ukraine to the alliance. we must take a sober look at the current situation. the ukrainian authorities themselves recognize the impossibility of becoming a nato member while the war continues. our goal is stable military support for ukraine, in particular, with modern western weapons and strengthening of ukraine's economic stability while defending against russia. towards the end of the summer, it becomes finally clear that the results of the counteroffensive are more than modest. the international coalition is beginning to show cracks. in the spring , six months before the parliamentary elections in in poland, the right-wing government of mateusz murovetsky banned the supply of ukrainian agricultural products. kyiv and warsaw exchanged a number of harsh statements. and in november, polish carriers began a large-scale blockade of the border with ukraine. on september 30

, the party of ex-prime minister robert fico, a categorical opponent of military aid to ukraine, won the parliamentary elections in slovakia, one of our biggest allies in the region stopped sending weapons to the armed forces of ukraine. in november, europe was stunned by the results of the parliamentary elections elections in the netherlands. the far-right freedom party led by geert wilders won the first place there. he is also in favor of limiting military support. and it turned the world's attention away from ukraine. a large-scale war in the middle east, which flared up after a fierce attack by the islamist group hamas on israel, but the biggest problems were waiting for kiev in the united states. the american congress de facto plunged into the election campaign and refused to support the aid package for ukraine of more than 60 billion dollars. republicans put forward a categorical demand, first to strengthen security on the border with mexico. within three months, volodymyr zelenskyi was

forced to visit the united states twice. states, but never convinced congressmen. at a joint press conference with the ukrainian leader on december 12, president joseph biden used completely different wording than in kyiv at the beginning of the year. ukraine will emerge from this war strong, proud and firmly anchored in the western system, if we do not leave it. americans should be proud of the role they played in supporting ukraine's success. and we will continue to provide ukraine. necessary equipment and weapons as much as we can. problems with aid also arose in europe. the same viktor orban blocked the adoption of a four-year aid package for ukraine worth 50 billion euros. the international coalition's military support for kyiv has fallen to its lowest level since the start of the full-scale invasion. statements about the need to seek a diplomatic solution to the conflict are increasingly heard in the west. so in 2020.