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they threw it, there is such a game, tossing a hot potato, you pull it out, you know, from the coals and start throwing it hot to someone else, that's how it looked somewhere, in particular the discussion, how much is needed by the armed forces of ukraine for the 24th year actually to obtain the front line, to carry out certain counter-offensives and so on, and then the figure sounded 400-500 thousand mobilization reserve. they said that it was, the military said, the military said, we didn’t say that, we can see the approximate parameters, let’s remind you that the mobilization, as a procedure, is ongoing, on average in numbers, and so it was known in the region of 20 thousand every month, one way or another, they went on rotation, on mobilization, it is not much different from these figures about which were included in the draft law, but with the right informational support , you can create a hysteria around this, so ... every word is so sensitive, every

comma, which will be written in this draft law, well, the worst part of it all was that, first of all, these figures began to be published, because the figures about the mobilization plans during the war of a warring country should not be announced, this is the first thing, and the second thing is that when already announced, then there were no clarifications, nothing, the figure of 450-500 thousand was announced, and it was announced as if immediately yesterday. such a number is needed without additional manipulation , it is clear that this was simply a panic situation, a situation when everything does not go according to plan, we lose control over the situation, and made the picture look like tomorrow literally everyone will be dragged and sent directly to the front on a train, but at the same time talking to the military, the military, who are also analysts who analyze... precisely

the mobilization potential of the russian occupier, then they say that in the next short term, a year or two, putin has the opportunity to withdraw from 2 to 3 million mobilization funds, and if necessary, well, a huge country should stand at the table and everything is for the front, then mobilization funds the potential of a long entity called the russian federation up to 7 million years ago , we understand that the answer to one mobilization is to put the same amount of mobilization resource is simply, well , first of all, archi-dumb, and also very outdated, this is the first, second world war , but definitely not the war that ukraine is waging in defense of its sovereignty, we already have the lawmakers in touch, as we said, people's deputy and member

of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence we, ms. solomiya, congratulate, glory to ukraine, heroes, glory, congratulations. ms. solomov , let's start with... the fact that, apart from the sloppy comments of arahamia and some posts by the unscrupulous, we didn't learn anything yesterday, what did your committee have time to consider and what did they consider at all, why is this happening behind closed doors , we can understand, but why is it that the logic of communication is not broken at all, well, i want to say that... these days the committee is really considering the bill in closed mode, because it is very there is a lot of sensitive information, closed information that is not subject to disclosure and contains a state secret, but on saturday there will be a consideration of the draft law already in such public access in an open committee format, and i think that there will already be

the first such public normal communications, except what happened yesterday in the media, there were very, very many such jerks, fragments, pieces, and i... i do not agree with many things, as my colleagues commented there and who had what, who had what emotions, this is not corresponds to reality, and in continues work with this bill, and i understand that in the coming days, we will have such a broad, big discussion, which should have been since christmas, when the ministry of defense thought of registering this bill, the only thing i want to note is that it is really in its raw form , it is in its raw form, both technically and legally. presentation, both meaningful and meaningful, and i assume that this document can be returned for revision to the subject of the submission, the ministry of defense itself, the cabinet of ministers to be more precise, and or, as i understand it, that there is a question about its adoption in

the first reading, but the essential amendment to the second, well, but the only thing, again, is that it was wrong to present it the way it was presented, and we realized that a lot of people, in particular colleagues, from the ministry of defense in... departments and structures, they really did not accept, did not participate in this development until the final registration, which in principle now causes actually, well, a huge volume and mass of work already on this draft law, and why exactly the cabinet of ministers is the subject of the submission , if in of the constitution, it should be the institution of the president, we never understood why the cabinet of ministers wrote something, and then sat with the ombudsman in... wondering how to throw out unconstitutional nonsense from what they wrote? well, good question, but i think that it is difficult to find logic here, there is solid politics here, such an array of negativity that this draft law can lead to, and here there is such a rather strong tightening of the nuts, ukrainians do not

like it in our country, and the opposition of society is already being discussed on the streets, and a lot of things that will be legalized, including there despite the fact that i do not want to emphasize, there is a supporter of mobilization, but i am... a total opponent of stealing people on the street and such forceful compulsion to bring in people and military women, and there already overnight the passage of the vlk, then the service, these things are unacceptable, inadmissible , and when they only work with ukrainians with a whip, we are not muscovites, it doesn’t work like that with us, and it seems to me that ideology and idealism, it plays a much stronger role and motivation plays a role in other things with us, than similar things, we have problems with mobilization, but this is a broader issue context, the mobilization of only a small part of the state that is at war, the demand in society for trust and justice is very high, accordingly, this trust, which, during the year, was wasted in many ways, and in particular, to the power vertical and sometimes even to

certain tactical tasks , commands, bringing from the commanders of the tactical unit to their subordinates, it consists. and there is no need for a single marathon or media here, there are enough people who are fighting and what they are complaining about, well, of course , the question of the term of service, the end of service, because 36 months of being in prisons, i think, that none of us present, even on the air , will not have a chance to survive more than 36 months, for example, to serve in the tsk somewhere in mukachevo, there or in rivne or in lutsk, so these are different things that cannot be compared, accordingly here too certain points must be leveled, i will not comment anymore. many other details, uh, you can actually write a dissertation the size of this bill. mrs. solemiya, but the things you are talking about now are related to the fact that this mobilization should take place somehow, culturally, and not in the way that we often see on various

video. is it that recruiting, which we are talking about so much now and talking about, can really change the approach to mobilization and encourage some people to join the army. so that what a person signs up for is really a guarantee that he will receive it, and not, let's say, a person comes and wants to work at a certain enterprise, has a military enterprise or executive branch. i do not know in the infantry or in attack aircraft, which in principle i am not capable of, whether all these points are already written down when making changes to this draft law, and also, please tell me, whether there are already recommendations, are there already any changes proposed by umirov and zaluzhny, who were invited to the profile committee to consider all of this. well, first of all, recruiting centers are prescribed in the law and they have already started somewhere, if not to work, then

at least to have offers with civilian business, where you can go, for example, to the workuua website and find the offers that give and and the state border service, and the armed forces of ukraine, there are also other defense forces, and according to this logic, obviously a person can choose a position, a specialty that fits this position and... submit your resume for this vacancy, there is a recruiting logic in this, but the question is whether recruiting and voluntary application and service in the army, it will be sufficient in quantitative terms with i will replenish the army with the needs of the general staff. i assume that in such difficult months, the end of the second year of a full-scale war and the failure of mobilization in the last few months, he shows that mobilization ... will not cover all these uh needs, accordingly enters under coercion, to people who do not respond to

summons, who are evading there, are evasive, swim across the yew for the fourth time, 5:8 and in uh, mobilization, recruiting, sure, sorry, he is can only be one of those parts and pillars for those who want to volunteer to serve, and this is right, i want to serve myself, i would like to have the right, i want to get the right. voluntarily choose where, for what, and how, so that it is as compatible as possible with my profession or education, this is the first, second, regarding the remarks, well, they cannot be remarks of the minister of defense, because he was presenting his own, oh, we lost mr. straw, i think she was just saying that there was a minister at the meeting of the specialized committee, the lady came back, please continue, we were talking about the specialized committee and the presence minister umirov, i'm actually talking about the fact that he doesn't... have any proposals, because it was a discussion, they are the subjects of the submission

of the draft law, accordingly, all their proposals are written in the draft law itself, in the same story with to the commanders-in-chief, that's it conversation, understanding of needs, i would say, i would voice it to the taxi, solomiya, we have literally one more minute, i can't ask you one more thing, we have already seen and publicly caught you once. a well-known lawyer, the chairman of the verkhovna rada, stefanchuk, on ignorance of the constitution, when he said that the constitution allows elections to be held during wartime. it was the first time we caught him, but not the last. and now there is such fresh information, there is something about a one-time delegation opportunity for a deputy to go outside ukraine, but at the same time he must receive thesis, or as medvedchuk would say, temniks and work on him, and if he leaves something, check to the right, check to the left, he won't go again, well... that's how the kvnshchiks understand and read the law on the people's deputy, and what do you say?

i will say that it would be very good, along with the idea of ​​a lottery, to make a lottery for category a officials, ministers and also everyone else who holds political positions, in particular for our whole fireplace, for example, or for the office of the president, lotteries and which of them will go to serve, this would be a good story, and if we are talking about the fact that the russians have as their goals... the discrediting of parliamentarism and such a collapse, then surely the speaker is very good at doing it himself with his own hands, not understanding certain basic things and simply artificially absolutely creating obstacles and then writing such subversive ordinances, as far as i 'm concerned, they are harmful and can also drag on, unfortunately, they can't because he's in office, but they would be held accountable if he wasn't in this position and wasn't in the parliament. but it is not acceptable if i do not understand, unfortunately, no will understand in four years how deputies work, and in particular in parliamentary

assemblies, which over the years acquire ties, there is a long-term relationship, hard work, and so on, and believes that it is easy to rush, well , let them work as servants of the people, if in pos, there are some problems with vacations, visits, 5:8, i simply do not accept these categorical things, and i believe that these are simply subversive things in relation to the parliament, and the word "parliamentary" is a very important word. thank you, ms. solomiya, solomiya bobrovska, people's deputy, committee member parliament on national security, defense and intelligence, and in particular we ended up with this damage from kvn teams. which temniks are distributed to the deputies, well, it's just in general, they broke the bottom, and they knocked from below, well, our next guest, political technologist taras zagorodnyi, is already in touch with us , glory to ukraine, mr. taras, have a good day, glory to the heroes, we will be with you talk about a few things, but let's start with how to protect ukrainian enterprises from the field

of the military industry from publicity, we understand that it is not good when everyone is in a row. even ukrainians they know where we are and what they are doing for defense , for the front, where, what, who and when they deliver, and actually it turns out that in addition to google, there are google maps, there is simply a search system where you can find something, and a lot in fact, it also turns out that there is such a site where you can see contractors, all contractors, contracts of state military enterprises, who supplied what, when, to whom and how much. what kind of story is this in general and how is it possible, i can’t get it into my head, then there is something tax, according to vat tax invoices everything can be seen, all the chains and everything connected with it, well, look, this is the reverse, the reverse side of the transparency that we were striving for, yes in peacetime, but in peacetime,

maybe it works, militarily, during of martial law... of course it should be corrected, because in reality it is an absolutely absurd situation, an enterprise is being built, some of them are being built there, chains are being built, and in principle , in order not to need spies, it is not necessary to recruit such a large agency of russia, for example , it is enough to buy a tax base, for example, that's how you see everything, in principle , and it costs not so much money, well, god forbid , it will cost 100 or 200 dollars there, so it's actually a global problem that should be solved, i've been talking about it for a long time they said that in principle , well, it is impossible to hide anything, and yes, well, it cannot work like that, here of course our government must finally wake up, which does not always wake up in our country when it is needed, in general i have the impression that the government of the war on there is no yard,

everything is fine with them anyway, and it should be a principled decision of the government, which... must , by its resolution, and here i think that the government's resolution will be sufficient, determine the list of criteria according to which the information will not be published. in principle, the ministry of defense has already taken such steps when they, well , at least openly, it is not clear which suppliers are supplying, but there is a deeper system, a deeper system, which is related to the fact that our our economy, well, unfortunately , very transparent to the enemy, well at least. military here in this article everything is described quite well, in fact everything is visible like in the palm of your hand, and it does not take a lot of effort to do everything, it should be either classified information, or a certain list of enterprises and as military and dual purpose goods should also be determined, which

information is simply hidden, it is not in public access, sir taras, and you know, on the eve of ours. conversations with you , it was possible to speak with general krivonos, the former first deputy head of the special operations forces, and he said in particular that on the eve of the attack on january 2, in fact, he was shocked by the fact that from this transparency, when there were specific purchases of specific state defense orders, and he actually qualified it as a crime that was committed intentionally. that is, these are deliberate actions for the benefit of the enemy, and this is , in principle, treason, yes, according to his words, we conclude, you are talking about the same case, so do you see in this the law of dinning kruger, or after all, deliberate actions? i think both, because as i said, well, look, we

are discussing the issue of taxation of the profits of operating enterprises. military industry, this is a deliberate action, that's for sure deliberate action, because the cabinet of ministers does not want to decide to correct the errors in their own resolution, which they themselves concocted on the 20th , in my opinion, on the 22nd of march of the 22nd year, here is a deliberate action, because either someone does not want to simply take take responsibility for this, then the question is, why do we need such a prime minister, in relation to these data, here... this is another, more complicated situation, if we start from peacetime, the transparency of the fight against corruption, then it should be like open, yes, well, so that everyone was, saw that yes... they are, but there is a change regulations in accordance with the military state of the risks, yes, what should there be, well, this is at least official negligence, at least, and

it smells like, well, frank sabotage of defense purchases, well, because there is a correlation, you know, that is, the data that was exposed and the targets where the russian missiles flew on january 2 somehow coincided, that's where we draw conclusions from, huh? well, look, this is what is known, i know that there were arrivals, because well, more unknown enterprises, well, they literally built an enterprise, a month later seven rockets arrived, well, it was not in kyiv, but in one of the regions of ukraine, that is , the general issue should be resolved here, that military production should go underground, we have enough underground facilities for the soviet army, that is, the state should be here. to provide such premises so that they are closed, yes, this is the first question, because everything must go underground, this is now clear, because russia will not disappear even after our victory and

it will be a terrorist state, we must understand this clearly and clearly , this is the first question, which should be decided by the government, providing state guarantees, building, if there are no underground facilities, make an underground facility, although i believe that there are a lot of underground facilities in our country... in germany, such an incident happened last night, angry farmers blocked the ferry with the vice chancellor germany, why, because they are indignant at the hopes of the government, they were supposed to cancel

their tax benefits there, they went out to protest, we remember, tractors drove into berlin, the government announced, well, we will not do it all at once, over a certain period of time we will gradually reduce these benefits that you could adapt themselves, that is, what do the germans do, something does not suit them, they come to power, what do the polish farmers do? they don't like something, or the carriers, they come to the polish-ukrainian border and block us, that is, they don't go to their authorities, they don't turn to brussels, they go to the ukrainians, who already have someone to deal with here. well, the new tusk government is trying to convince polish carriers to end this strike, but this story dragged on a bit, we were promised that a few days after the appointment of a new government will solve everything, but it hasn't, it's been almost a month, the matter is still there. well, look, poland is still a democratic country, it has its own trade unions that fight for the markets, and there, well, what

is happening in poland, you know, there is such a good american term, it is called abuse of democracy, it is frank abuse of democracy, well, i certainly don't rule out that the russians threw some money there, i don't think it's that expensive. cost to block the ukrainian border, because something, you know, too suspicious, here in reality you are asking the right question, and why are they deciding for warsaw, namely blocking the ukrainian border in very difficult times in reality, because poland has already banned, for example, the import of ukrainian products, by the way, this also contradicts that , which was adopted by the eu regarding the access of ukrainian products to the eu markets and so on, that is , the interests of those who protect their own interests, i.e. producers, coincide here, and we should assume that how it works in general, each country likes only himself, friends usually for money and

out of necessity, no one wants to give their jobs to anyone, we agree, mr. taras, and we understand, unfortunately we have to say goodbye to you, because time, news ahead, taras is out of the way, the political technologist was with us , we will continue the conversation next time, and roman and i will also say goodbye to you. and have a peaceful, safe day, take care and stay with the espresso. have a delicious dinner, see you at the baptism. attention, an incredible novelty from razpakuvi. super warm and very comfortable alaska stayle boots. perfect fit, water-repellent material and a feeling of warmth even in... 30-degree frost. alaska stayle boots have a versatile design and practical black color, so they will suit both men and women. sizes - from 36 to 46.

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