for me, of course, stay with the espresso tv channel, because literally in a few moments the verdict program will be released, we will watch it together. good evening, mez of ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. today we are talking about the world. about ukraine, about the war and about our victory. today in the program. retaliatory strikes from the armed forces. explosions are heard in belgorod, novorossiysk and crimea. will they stop putin's terror? ballistic missiles from kim jong un. can we consider the dprk? complicit in russian crimes? the un convenes a special meeting. they withdraw without a reason. parliamentary committee on national security.

we will talk about this and other things for the next hour with our guests, veteran of the russian-ukrainian war yevhen dyky, sbu general viktor yagun and political scientist volodymyr tsybulk. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest watching the video of the raid by the fighters of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine on the league of occupiers, where the intelligence officers attacked the enemy. losses they went in graivoronsky district of the gorod region, mined the only road along which the invaders moved in the specified area, and also attacked the russian joint stronghold. the enemy suffered losses, the number of eliminated and wounded occupiers, as reported in gura, is being specified. let's watch the video.

friends, for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook, please like this video and also subscribe to our pages on these platforms. in addition, we conduct a survey during the broadcast, today we ask you about this, whether it is necessary during the war, recruit prisoners and convicts to the army. yes, no, please vote on youtube and write your own. about

what you think under this video, and for those who are watching us on tv right now , please pick up your smart phone or phone and call if you think that prisoners and convicts should join the army to of defense of ukraine (0800-211 381, no), 0800 211 382, ​​call, all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up this voice. we have the first guest of the communication is yevhen dykiy, a participant in the russian-ukrainian war, former platoon commander of the aidar battalion. mr. yevgeny, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. yevgeny, i can't help but ask you about this as well, do you need to involve people who are in prison or who have been convicted in the defense of ukraine? were at the front, you

understand that the human resource, it is a witch, exhausted, and it ends very quickly, are these people needed and do they need to be given opportunity to join the ranks of the defense? actually, thank you very much for formulating the question, but i am specifically for giving them the opportunity to join the ranks of the defenders of ukraine and thus actually, well, actually i am for the socialization of these people. across the front, it is only about their voluntary involvement, and here it must be understood that from the point of view of a serious impact on the victory, it will not give us anything, the fact is that the total number of convicts serving their sentences in ukraine, in general, is about 60 thousand people, including women and the elderly people, with sick people, that is , let's be realistic, the maximum number of people who can be attracted specifically from places of detention, that is, if they are there in general...

60 thousand, as statistics say, well, from 6 to 12 thousand, i would say, that is, 5-10, more precisely 10-20%, this is already the maximum, the maximum that can be collected there, that is, it is one or two years. from the point of view of the course of this war, it will not affect much, but from the point of view of the fate of these people, i think that this is the chance that should be given to them, as of today, this opportunity has only convicted members of the ato, but technically it is extremely difficult to use this opportunity, i know this for sure, because i myself act as one of the recommenders in the case of one of my former fighters, who at the beginning of the full-scale invasion is trying to escape... from lukyanivka to the front , well, maybe this issue will be resolved sometime before the end of january, and this is such an optimistic forecast, that is, realistically, almost two years, and simply that one supporter is not enough, then the procedure changes, the unit commander must appear in person, and excuse the combat commander

parts are a little bit not ready to travel from the front to the court session, and when the session does not take place, it is immediately postponed for 2 months, so that you understand, that is, even for atoshniks, this is currently the case. a norm that formally exists, but which is extremely difficult to use, and for non-atoshniks, this norm does not exist in principle. in my opinion, this should be allowed for everyone, except for those convicted for some specific articles, i’m sorry, i would n’t put a weapon in the hands of rapists, but except for literally a few articles that should be removed, for all the rest i i would have allowed it, at the same time, as much as possible according to the simplified procedure, so i wrote a statement, went straight from the prison, even without a military police officer , straight to... and there i already registered there, but once again you have to understand that i am proposing this in the first place for the sake of these people, i think they should be given such a chance, considering the number of these people, the course of the war will not be affected. thank you for your answer, mr. yevgeny, let's return to the current news, as a result of

strikes by the armed forces of ukraine on military facilities of the russian federation in the temporary in occupied crimea on january 4, 20 occupants were eliminated, among them are high-ranking officers, the head of the joint press center of the defense forces of southern ukraine natalya humenyuk says that in addition to the damage to the command post, serious damage was done to the defense system. let's listen to what mrs. humeniuk said. what they lost were two essential objects of the past age, as the air commander spoke about. forces and the strategic committee of the armed forces of ukraine, officially announced, this means that control is lost, defense systems are lost, and we continue our work, in particular the destruction of buk trem anti-aircraft missile systems, in our area of ​​responsibility, this is also a weakening

of air defense in the direction where the enemy tries to regularly use tactical aviation, losing planes, and then also protection for them from... one thing, the situation may change in the sense the use of these birds. mr. yevgeny, during the last week, the territory of ukraine was attacked twice, and massive strikes were carried out. after that , the armed forces of ukraine struck military facilities located in in the belgorod region, in novorossiysk, in the occupied crimea, an su-34 plane was destroyed in chelyabinsk at... an airfield, a military airfield, in your opinion, can they stop new strikes by the defense forces of ukraine in response to the objects of the russian federation? looking at what you mean, if the essence of the question is whether it is possible,

shall we say, whether the presence of such strikes will make putin change his mind and go to some negotiations, no, there is no question of this, but... the essence is to stop the russians in general it is possible only in one way, it is actually military way to crush their army, and for this to crush the rear support of this army is no less, and sometimes even more important, than actually making an impression on them here on our territory at the front, that is, these strikes can stop putin not in the sense of a signal that he will hear, but when the su-34s burn down, it won't be just one, but when there will be several dozen of them, this is already absolutely direct... it affects the course of hostilities when we destroy these military factories, and i'm not saying if, but when i'm sure we'll make it when we do we will destroy those military factories where calibers are assembled, caliber strikes will stop, and answer, accordingly, this also has a very strong effect on who is who in this

war, in general, our strikes in this sense, by the way , are thought out, i would did not tie them to russian strikes at all, but the fact that they happened after russian massive attacks did not ... that they happened as a result of how the russians need a long time to prepare massive strikes, well , in fact, we also need a long time , in order to prepare point shots in depth of russian or... occupied territory , that is, these are parallel independent processes, they are preparing their company to destroy us, we are making our company to destroy them, and our group, by the way, long ago published a list of 32 factories that, let's say, we are most interested in which ones are directly involved and are critical for the production of russian weapons and bc, and let's say, we don't even hide that during this year we plan to, let's say, significantly interfere in the production processes at these enterprises. well, work on it and work accordingly, yesterday, polish foreign minister

radyslaw sikorski said that ukraine should be given as many weapons as possible to destroy russians or russian military facilities on the territory of the russian federation. why do you think our western partners still limit our powers. in the destruction of these military facilities, which are within the reach of the missiles we have, and they do not give us long-range missiles, the reason is that they are afraid that this will lead to a global war, to russia's response to those states from which they will come these rockets, just like that, and here unfortunately, nothing new, thanks to sikorsky for the support, well, the problem here is that the most vocal is in favor of providing us with long-range missiles, unfortunately, those countries that

do not have them themselves, and those countries that could provide them to us , but they are still very cautious, while, in particular, we will talk even about the personal responsibility of individual people, the most cautious in this matter are two key figures: president of the united states biden and german chancellor scholz, but these two people actually have their own imaginations. generally about the course of this war, and these ideas in particular include two things: the first thing, well , the fallacy of which they seem to be beginning to guess, but unfortunately, it is precisely guessing, i cannot say now that it has finally reached them for sure, but at least for a long time they were deeply convinced that there is such a thing as an acceptable and unacceptable price of this war for putin, and that the task is not to defeat the russians. not to destroy the russian army, but the task of bringing the price of war to such a level that putin will already consider it

unacceptable, and therefore will go to substantive, serious negotiations. i am afraid that even now they still see it that way, although it seems, as i say, they are beginning to guess that this is a failed policy. it is precisely this failed strategy, precisely the wrong vision of the goals in this war in general, and the wrong understanding of russia that, unfortunately, cost us, incomplete. well, let's put it this way, far from the initial expectations of the 23rd offensive and with all the consequences that this entails, we were so limited in armed assistance at the end of the 22nd and 23rd precisely because of this a false strategy, while in reality there is no concept of an acceptable-unacceptable price for russia, there the fan either disappeared, or they won the war and everything was written off, including any price, or they lost the war and then at best to the hague, well, guess what to... it is necessary in russian realities, yes, yes, actually, this is the key first reason, but the second reason is

really fear, and biden and scholz and some other western leaders are simply frankly afraid of the so-called escalation, which they understand by only they themselves know the escalation, whether it is a direct one after all the armed conflict of russia with their countries, or about something hybrid, intermediate, but one way or another, they have this fear of escalation and , accordingly, a desire not to putin to the edge, to the pen, and, unfortunately, we are hostages of this of theirs false vision, well, the only thing is that , so that we do not fall into some, let's say , some anti-western pathos and not be ungrateful towards our allies, i will still remind you that what we are now completely dependent on what they will give us rockets or not, well, in fact, no one prevented us from making our own rockets for many years, v we had all the technologists and all the enterprises for this, and until the last two years , no one, sorry,

bombed these enterprises, but we simply did not want to do it ourselves, we ourselves did not want to spend money on it, and now, unfortunately , so we are hostages of what is going on in the minds of biden and shogolka, and in the end , no one forced us to sell or give away for gas debts more than 500 hai55 missiles in 1999 , eight. bombers and other property, which, which, which we exchanged for debts, some, well , only western ones, only nuclear weapons, nuclear weapons... it's the west's fault, yes, they forced us to give up nuclear weapons, they forced us brutally, it's true, but we gave away everything else ourselves, and we didn't produce everything else ourselves either. mr. yevgeny, information has appeared from the british edition of the telegraph, they say that the armed forces of ukraine are preparing for a new russian offensive in

the kharkiv region, the possible date of the start of the ground offensive is january 15. i don't know how much. you can trust the british, well the british journalists in this case, who refer to the armed forces, who expect this offensive, at least in the ukrainian media do not talk about this , how likely is it that this large, or not large, but ground operation, the ground offensive may begin on january 15 in kharkiv region, i will remind you that the offensive in kharkiv region did not stop, but the russian offensive in kharkiv region began ... in june of last year, exactly when we began our offensive in the south, then the operation actually began, the purpose of which was to withdraw the maximum of our forces, actually from the south from the surovykin line from there to slobozhanshchyna, and at least the russians quite managed to carry out this program , u.s quite a lot of forces had to be transferred, and there were cases when

the brigades, which were preparing specifically for the breakthrough of the suravikin line, were right at the western training grounds, where their coordination took place. instead of zaporozhye, they had to lead to kupyansk and there to dig into the defense in the trenches, that is, they succeeded in this, but they did not succeed in breaking through the front or even shifting it during this time. this offensive has continued since june of last year with a short break of about a month in september, then in october the offensive resumed and since then not for a single day interrupted therefore, it is expected that something radically new will happen on january 15 , to be honest, well, i don't see who and what, they could get stronger there, with the forces they have, they are already advancing, and do something fantastic , that is, multiply these forces many times over, i don’t see where they are coming from, because there are heavy battles for avdiyivka, where they are spending a huge number of their people and equipment, in parallel with them, our bridgehead in the krynyk sticks out like a bone in the throat, and in this situation, where

are they going to take people on the fact that in slobozhanshchyna really, well... it is necessary to intensify the offensive , well, i don’t see it yet, but the one that is now, i think, will even continue, where will it go for now, i also wanted to ask you about mobilization, because next week the verkhovna rada ukraine has to consider the government's draft law on mobilization, the specialized committee of the council already has questions for almost 73 pages of the draft law on mobilization, the committee's decision on recommendations to the draft law may not be until the end of it. this week, i'll ask you by the end of this week, we we are talking to you on friday evening, by the end of this week there should have been a committee recommendation, i haven't seen it in the tape yet, it seems that it has never been ready, but obviously it was such an announcement, but unfortunately, it probably did not come true , tell me as a person who

voluntarily went to war in 2014, what is it? fair mobilization in your understanding, and how should it be approached at a lower stage? and i don't know what fair mobilization is, and i'm not interested in it, i'm interested in mobilizing as many and such people as and which necessary for our victory in the war, but excuse me, will it be fair, unfair, beautiful, ugly, these are all secondary issues, we have a very simple choice, we have a choice between mobilization. or occupation, but the third option is to meet in the middle, i’m sorry , the russians do not offer us any compromises, so whether we carry out this mobilization depends on a very simple thing, whether ukraine will continue to exist or not, and in this situation i am very little interested , who knows what about this mobilization he will think, we have already played this game once,

the ukrainian people's republic did not mobilize at one time, it only hoped for the forces of volunteers, while red russia was just mobilizing, and mobilizing in a terrible way, that is, under the threat of shooting, under the threat of shooting families, and so on. and absolutely logically, the volunteer army of the ukrainian people's republic lost to a large mobilized mass gathered by red russia, the consequences of which, i think, are very well known to everyone, and we are currently facing exactly the same choice, so just as volunteer, i understand very well that no nation in the world, no country in the world... has had enough volunteers to win a great war against a great mobilized army, since the very moment putin began mobilizing in russia, which is september 22 year, then... a little yes, but from this moment it is absolutely obvious that we have nowhere to go, that we also need a large -scale mobilization, we avoided it for a year anyway, we did it for a year, you know how it is the children

say, but i'm in the house, that's all, but i can't see, that's it we stayed in the house for more than a year, although in fact add 22 and get four , not 28, as someone would like, but it is possible and it was necessary in the fall of the 22nd year, well, there are some things that you cannot jump over, so you can in... with much smaller forces than the enemy, provided that you have a huge technological advantage, but if you have a difference, as the american army has with the taliban, there is no problem, you can take sergeant john rambo, who is 20 years old for this he trains, in which a lot of money is invested in his training, to send him somewhere in the mountains afghanistan with a satellite connection, through which he can receive online satellite information, call in art support, a missile strike. air support, drones, and then yes, he can be sent alone against 20 taliban, riding donkeys with rp-7. no problem. i think that it is obvious to everyone

that there is no such difference between us and the russians. we are fighting with the weapons of one generation, relatively speaking, the disco of the 80s, but with some, let's say, addition of more modern systems. we fight with weapons of absolutely the same technological level, something is better in us, something is better in them, but in general, this is absolutely one weight category. from this, well, it just automatically follows, like twice or twice, that, unfortunately, we have to field at least the same number of fighters, and if we want to quickly end this war with a victory, then in general, to create an advantage over the enemy, we all this time we fight with a smaller number of fighters than our enemy, and even all the successes we achieved, we achieved with smaller forces than the enemy had, well, this cannot last forever, people, forgive me, it just ends, and the calculation of the ukrainian rear, which those who left... in the first wave in the spring of the summer of the 22nd, that these people are already bringing this war to an end, well, unfortunately, this calculation is completely unrealistic, we are not living in a fairy tale, thank you,

mr. yevgeny, it was yevhen dyky, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war , we continue to work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please put. in this video in order for it to be trending on these platforms, and take part in our survey today we ask you this, is it necessary to enlist prisoners and convicts in the army during the war, if you watch us on tv, phones, if so, 0800-211-381, if you think that imprisoned convicts should participate in the defense of ukraine, no 0.800 211 382 on youtube everything is quite simple. or choose options, or write your opinion separately under this video in the comments. next, we will be in touch with viktor yagun, major general of the reserve sbu,

former deputy head of the security service of ukraine. mr. general, i salute you, thank you, who joined our conversation. good evening. mr. general, we are asking our viewers what they think about whether it is necessary to involve prisoners and convicts in the defense forces, what do you think? before this? i 'm totally against it, maybe someone likes it, maybe it's something, i don't know , innovative, but it completely repeats what russia is doing now, and we have to understand that if you want to break out the tied up, yes, it's a very simple solution, we do not feed them, they protect us, and what will we do with them then, we will rehabilitate them, we will then put up... plaques of the school where they studied and tell the children who were great citizens, protected us, and what happened before

it hit, i am these are two different, thank you, mr. general, ballistic missiles from the north koreans and americans say that kimchenin is starting to help russia with ballistic missiles. and the united states of america is already preparing additional sanctions against those involved in the transfer to russia of ballistic ballistic missiles, military aid from north korea and iran. this was reported by the strategic coordinator at the briefing white house national security council communications director john kirby. let's hear what kirby had to say. our information indicates that the democratic people's republic of korea recently... provided russia with launchers and several dozen ballistic missiles. on december 30 , 2023, russian forces launched at least one of these north korean missiles over

ukraine. it apparently hit an open field in the zaporizhzhia region, and on january 2, 2024, russia launched several north korean missiles over ukraine. consequences of this attack are still being evaluated. considering that north korea is constantly under international sanctions, mr. general, can north korea's assistance to the russian federation in the war against ukraine be perceived as co-aggression. or complicity, i think, yes to the fullest extent, we have a clear confirmation of their use of ammunition, they really are more, they probably help ukraine by breaking the arrows and shooting at it when necessary, but that is another story, i think that they should have been included in the list of those countries a long time ago who provide help and accept a little in

aggression. against ukraine, we do not maintain diplomatic relations with them, and they confirm that they help russia as much as possible. i do not consider the history of the so-called ballistic missiles to be critical, because, firstly, there are not so many of them in korea itself, and secondly, i do not think that these are some high-tech weapons that are unable to shoot down our, our p well, considering that the united states of america is reporting this, and obviously, for the united states of america , this information is quite important, considering south korea, and considering the situation around japan and the nearest countries located in the pacific basin, because the un council will consider the issue of supplying

ballistic missiles to north korea. it will happen on january 10, that is, there will be some decision of the un security council, but still, given that pyongyang is trying, or putin is trying in this case to drag pyongyang into a war, and the foreign secretary and the secretary of defense of great britain grand shabs says about that the world turned its back on russia, forcing putin to leave to humiliation to go with an outstretched hand to north korea to continue its illegal invasion. today there was a military incident between north and south korea. north korea fired 200 projectiles towards the south, they fell somewhere on the border between these two states. how likely is it, mr. general, that north korea and south korea will become the third point on the world map after ukraine. the middle east,

where hostilities will be unfolding already between the two parts of korea, and this will be used putin? unfortunately, there is a very high probability that the conflict can be resolved, because this delay, for example, which comes with the help of ukraine, it is very clearly tracked by our enemies, it frees their hands. makes their rhetoric more ominous , and they can really use this indefinite pause, and then also a pause with the possibility of elections in some countries, where the period will really turn to their advantage and provoke a conflict, so what is this conflict.

can be extraordinary and it can go beyond the borders of er this peninsula, that's about it the united states also spoke with china, unfortunately, and there is nothing to say that they are helping north korea on the contrary, because even the use of korean ballistic missiles in our war, it is... the same, because they have the opportunity to protest, how they behave in certain conditions, which need to be refined, and this is such an open training ground, during which our territory uses, mr. general, during the last few days, we see how the defense forces.