i wish you all the best, goodbye! russians, belarusians at the olympic games, whether sport is really outside of politics, we discuss together in today's episode of bbc ukraine, i'm olga polomaryuk. the international olympic committee admitted russian and belarusian athletes to the olympic games, which will be held this year in paris. why did this become possible after almost two years of war, and will ukraine boycott the olympics now? russians and belarusians will still perform at the olympic games, despite outrage, threats of boycotts and protests ukrainians all over the world. this decision was made by the executive committee of the international olympic committee back in december. participation in competitions, however, is brotherly. not everyone, so they will not allow

those who actively support the war against ukraine, are military personnel or employees of the russian or belarusian special services, also athletes will perform as neutral, i.e. without the flag, anthem and other national symbols and only in individual sports, well, such a decision of the international olympic committee reacted in ukraine and in other countries, so did the minister of foreign affairs of ukrainian affairs immediately wrote: with their decision , russia is actually giving the green light to use the olympics as a weapon. president zelenskyy stated that the principles of the olympic movement definitely do not provide for connivance of states with terrorists. also, some partners of ukraine criticized moku's decision. the president of estonia says that the admission of russian and belarusian athletes is unacceptable, and hopes that the decision will be reversed. olympic principles have nothing to do with terror, the president of lithuania said. and what about russia, interestingly, not in moscow either

supports such a decision of the international olympic committee, but for another reason they consider it discriminatory. and here i would like to recall how it all began. in march 2022, almost immediately after the full-scale attack on ukraine, the international olympic committee suspended russian and belarusian athletes from participating in international competitions. and in march 2023 , recommendations were issued according to which athletes from russia and belarus can compete on the international stage, but only under a neutral flag, and when performing a number of demands, including, if they did not support ukraine, at the end of the year they were allowed to participate in the olympic games. the international olympic committee explains its decision regarding the olympics as follows: individual athletes cannot be punished for the actions of their governments, as the head of the international olympic committee said. who of the committee, thomas bach, and

the decision of the olympic committee and the participation of russian and belarusian athletes in the competition became a cold shower of disappointment for the ukrainian sports community, but most importantly, now kyiv must give the world and the answer to the question: will ukrainian athletes go to paris, or will they boycott the olympics as a sign of protest against the presence of russians and belarusians, even if not under the flags of their countries. svyatoslav khumenko asked about it the acting minister of youth and sports of ukraine matvyi bidnyi. do you think the decision to allow russians and belarusians to paris is final, or will ukraine try to do something else? ukraine is trying to do, we, we are now drawing the attention of all actors who can to influence in this case the decision-making there regarding the admission of certain athletes. we are talking specifically about specific athletes. here's the last name

, yes, here's your name, here's your name, here's a neutral athlete, we say, here's a photo where he 's photographed with this swastika, and here 's a video where he calls to raise money for the invading troops, the main question for ukrainians now in this regard - whether ukraine will boycott the olympic games, in the summer of this year prime minister denys shmyhal said that ukraine is absolutely ready to boycott the olympics, moreover, he said, there are more than 30 countries that can join it in this boycott. what is your position on this? reason and who will make this decision, who will be responsible for it? well, look, this decision really needs to be taken with a cold mind, we need to analyze, i repeat, we do not use the word boycott, but as such, we say that this is our position, that we do not tolerate just this, and we simply will not to participate if allowed there athletes, which athletes support russian aggression there, yes, who support this bloody regime, and this will be a problem for torment if ukraine? won't go, ah, i

think, yeah, i think it's going to be a big blow, well , to the olympic movement, yeah, it's going to be a blow, it's going to be a blow, but again, it's going to be, we understand, yeah , that this will be a blow in principle to our athletes, yes, yes, yes, we understand that we are taking a risk in such a case , there are also prescribed in the olympic charter, in the rules, yes, there are prescribed sanctions for such actions, yes, and it is not excluded that in the next olympic games we will already be offered to go out in natural status, that is, this is quite such a radical step, who will make the final decision? the final decision will be made, we will make it together, there will be no such thing as someone being alone, we, we consult, we, well, we know what ukraine is, what the president thinks about this matter, the president also thinks about that we cannot tolerate, but that we have to make

decisions based on the public interest, as well as i'm like, well, look, you're trying to get a yes or no answer out of me right now, i can't yes... give that answer, because we're at the point where we are today, we haven't done everything yet in order to prevent that, well , the olympics will be the olympics, it will be, it will end, are you going to ukraine, you as its agent is coming out, to fight for the cancellation of russians and belarusians from world sports and beyond, as long as the war continues, of course, we and we are doing it now, and we will continue to do it, we emphasize that... sport is the same part of society life, cultural life , it is impossible today to be calm about the crime that russia is committing in ukraine, and it is impossible to tolerate it, allowing it there, making some joint

measures there, yes there with the representatives, with the representatives of the country that is committing the crime today, the criminal country , a terrorist country. this is its representative, well, that’s what we can talk about, that is, the ideal world of sports for you, for ukraine now the celosians, yes without russians and belarusians, yes, uh, uh, you don’t think that it is changing, well, with this decision flour, with the situation that was at wimbledon last year and this year, that this is some kind of sisyphean work, in fact, that you roll it, roll it, and it does not roll, let's ask about it, ask our military, uh, a very good question , well, they don’t think so either, i think that compared to what they do there, this work is ours, we just have to lean on and work, and do all this to make it easier for them there, yes and at least there the society also properly evaluated what is happening today in

country, and the international community, namely our athletes - these are our ambassadors on the international arena, yes, so that they too report to the whole world what is happening in ukraine today, pay attention to it. and for the international community to draw its own conclusions as well. so that ukrainian athletes will go to the olympic games in paris, which will take place already in july-august this year. while the question remains, and if you personally want to understand more about this topic, i highly recommend reading the full version of the interview of my colleagues with the performer on our website bbc.ua responsibilities of the minister of youth and sports, i am sure you will find many interesting and useful things for yourself. but let's take a broader look at the situation, i will add to the conversation the head of the vezha public analytics center, valery klochok , who is in touch with us, mr. valery, good evening, but we just heard that ukrainian athletes of this level are present at the competition -

this is another opportunity to tell the world about the war, about what is happening in ukraine, right? well, the russians, even under a neutral flag, will also be peculiar ambassadors, well... not so, i congratulate you, friends , of course, even your question, it creates a difficulty, on the one hand , it seemed that ukrainian athletes should go, defend the position of ukraine on the international arena, but when on the same site they meet, not that they cross paths or compete with representatives of the aggressor country, regardless of whether there is a national symbol on them or not, but they are quite famous people in sports, because... in principle, athletes are athletes famous people in their country are being watched everywhere, well, this is actually a manifestation of one of the stages of the ideological war already on the international stage against the country that attacked us, so i share the position of the minister on

the one hand, that in fact this issue is quite complicated and here it is allegedly two-fold, but i am firmly convinced that ukraine cannot tolerate such things, of course. well, they give many examples, for example, there and in 1936, when hitler was allowed to hold the olympic games in 1980, i personally remember well from the time of the soviet union, when the olympics were held and... we were in such an informational mess, we did not understand what was really happening in the world, because we did not have any information, but this does not mean that such things should be repeated, because they tolerate a vivid example, and the soviet union the 80th year and the 36th year of germany , well, i apologize, although yamok has a very long history of its activities and so on, and the olympic games, they go back to ancient times, but we cannot but realize and see that ... minisport really turned into a political tool, until at the beginning of the large-scale tour

, we tried to really discuss this topic in a tolerant way, but this is even inside ukraine, paying attention to the fact that they say, well, culture, and sports, history, and art are outside of politics, but in reality it is not so, russia is actively using it, i'm here with mr. bidny, i completely agree when he said in an interview that if the russians have ... victories under a neutral flag at this olympics, they will come home and show it as a victory of russia on international arena, well, we cannot help but understand it, you know, this selectivity, who supports russian aggression more, russian athletes, who less, well, this is the wrong approach, this cannot be, until the time when we all in the international arena realize , that russia should be completely banned from all international organizations, sports... and public, i mean the un and the rest, their right to even speak, until they

stop the terrorist war against ukraine, well, we will not have a shift in this sense , here, by the way, the poor man in his interview very correctly and rightly observes, let's compare how our athletes and russian athletes train, well, our athletes in the vast majority, i will say from my own experience, train under shelling, yes, yes, that is, you do you think that sports are still... not outside of politics, right? at one time we tried somehow all together to be really tolerant towards this, i say again, before the beginning of the large-scale invasion, we tried to look for a dialogue, it is true, but it is possible to increase the information space in ukraine, today, when really after the beginning of the invasion, the mass, the absolute majority, i would say , of russian athletes are actually either silent or openly support russian aggression, this is precisely evidence that they do not use... their status in order to to fight against this aggression, they tolerate it, they silence it, yes they

are hostages of the putin regime, but i'm sorry, they could very easily continue their professional activities abroad, if we talk about their participation in olympic competitions under a neutral statuson, make a separate team for yourself outside of russia, i am more than convinced that you would also find funding for this, but they are silent even about their position abroad, unfortunately, this is so, and artists can also be included in this number and... businessmen from russia, they simply tolerate russian aggression, yes, but is a boycott a way out, yes, because what consequences a possible boycott will have for ukraine is unknown, but in your opinion, to be brief, i don’t think that there will be some catastrophic consequences if we don't take it participation in these competitions, this will be the right position, if the olympic committee does not reverse its decisions, i really hope that such a decision will be the same as today, because today it became known that... did not allow the russians and belarusians to the youth winter olympics of the 24th year, well, in particular

, the press service of the international olympic committee reported about this today, i really hope that they will listen and will not allow them to participate in the summer competitions of belarusians and russians, then this issue will be removed, in another way, in fact, mok is now tolerating russian aggression, so we will also monitor the situation, valery kluchuk, the head of the public analytics center, has been in touch with us, thank you, so what... well, that's all for today, more history , as always, look for it on our website bbc.ua, as well as on our pages in social networks, we are back on the air on monday at 9 p.m., good luck and take care!

and good health ladies and gentlemen, my name is mykola veresen, and today we will have such a new year's conversation with such a significant cultural, significant a cultural figure, you will see him now, his name is oles po-drevianskyi, he is known to everyone, and there is no need to introduce him, he is an artist, i emphasize it with two... red bold lines, because everyone says he is a playwright, he and dramatist, but first he was an artist. lesyk, hello, i 'm hello, i'll take the courage of the short. to tell how long we went to this meeting, in general, mr. podrevyansky does not like to give interviews and always said that he can give you, but i won't give it to you, but in short, then he gave it to yanina sokolova, and i was jealous, and i called lesik, i said that you are a bitch, i changed my friends for a woman, damn it, he told me, you know what, he said, if you had tits, and i

could come up to you in some way, in some way, and somehow do some compliments , because... i also gave you, but you don't have it, because you are not a woman, but a man, that 's all, yesterday, when we started this idea, we were developing, to interview lesyk, i called, and you know, i was overwhelmed with greatness, not only the villager's, but also my own, because i asked lesika, do you want to be barbara brylskoy, was there somehow a friend there, liya khidzhakova, he said, i don't want to be a woman, i'm absolutely fine in a man's body, i said, that's not the question, i'm talking to you, the audience, usually watched a movie with light couples, and finally we got rid of the ussr, and instead of easy pairs, you see podrevyansky and september, or september and podrevyansky, this means that this

is a vip program september and podrevyansky, so that you know who you see, already don't you see, the remnants of the soviet union in the form of a movie that i remember watching for the first time at school in 1975 or 1974, so the first question, well, all the questions will be, of course, philosophical, which means that mr. podrevyansky defined russian philosophy and ideology as cyclical nazism, now i have a question for you les, it is because the russians.. . are afraid to say that they are nazis, or are they just plain as a fact, or are they just ashamed to say, well yes, well, we are nazis, well, we are, well, we are nazis, well, we are not nazis, they are nazis, but we are not nazis , are they all at all, as such, as the nation is, well, cowardly, let's say so, what do you think, well, i think that for kotsap

it's okay to lie all the time. katsap is dishonest, he cannot exist in any way to honestly admit to himself, even to himself, that he is a nazi, he, i don't know if he is ashamed or not, is forced to lie, he must lie that he is freeing someone there and all, the other is shit, he can't say how honest, for example, there is a member of the ss, that you are all inhumans, and we are a superior race and we will kill you, but for some reason he is ashamed of this, although he does the same, yes, i 'll just add to you, there are thoughts, i don't remember, even i think, jerome kay jerome or someone, or samer svetmoim, he has

thinking about lying, and he then said that there are two nations of liars, one of them, well... normal liars, and the other mysterious liars, but since they are all englishmen, he said that the germans lie, but the germans, they lie for a purpose, here they are, here they lie, lied, lied and got some result, and muscovites lie just like that, and this is a phenomenon, a person simply cannot help but lie, people cannot, and if you rely on it, you are lying you have a profit, you have some kind of thrill from it, katsap won't say... he, he can't do it to say, he, he lies, because he lies, and why he lies, no one knows, including katsap, your famous phrase, it is not entirely yours, i remember that we stood during the revolution from tiberias, silvasha , you, me, my daughter, my wife, and then this, the collective subconscious got out of the phrase ot us, well

, since you are the author anyway, it means for... we are writing this to you, as you think , the moment will come, when this phrase will no longer be relevant, will they ever, or will there be, will be later, well, the next ones will be estonians say so, and then the kazakhs will say so, and then someone else will say so , that is, it is already such a constant on the globe , there will always be such a russia, which will do something so that everyone around will say, here we are. well, obviously, obviously, it's never going to stop until they get it, but i guess it just might. here's how to refuse them, apart from that, they don't understand anything, i know this from intimate communication

with katsaps, well, i know the story, you had a romantic contact, as is fashionable now to talk to the katsapka, and i remember it struck me when she drank the first 150 g of vodka at 9 in the morning, and then again, and then again and at 60 in the evening... when she was already years old a pint, she said: well, finally, finally , you can drink, this story of your relationship is still with me, it sticks out in my head that you must first drink a pint before 6:00 p.m., and then you can finally drink, woman, tell me me, you really think, well, because i run a program of ethnology here, and that was 100 years ago. in that in 2006 i was in israel, you were in ukraine, and we corresponded via sms, and then this story arose that katsaps are not people, that is, you think

that it is necessary to create some institute for the study of biology, anthropology, i don’t know, some kind of compatibility, so that there would be of all sciences in order to prove that they either have an extra gene or not enough, because there are really many... there are examples in the last year and a half that really, well, you can’t call it that, i’m in my programs sometimes i say that it is homoerectus, i.e. to homo sapiens, to an intelligent person there was just a person who walked upright , she walked upright, and that is why she was called homoerectus, and as for the head, no one knows whether she was intelligent or not, then i have the impression that russia, russians are homoerectus, they have not yet reached homo sapiens , listen, that 's what they say, they don't mind, they say that all people are different, but we are different, we are different, we have our own path, i won't

argue with them, but it's better for them know about themselves, they themselves will say that all people are separate, and we kotsaps are separate, we, we are different, we are like this and such, we have special values, so why should we argue with them, if they say so about themselves, well... i think they know it better, well, tell us about your theory of the emergence of katsaps through denisov's cave, i want it to be people, i want the broad masses of the population to know where the russians came from, i remember you called me many years ago, you are a famous anthropologist, you made a discovery, and i also want all people to know the origin of the katsaps, well, there in perbsky, in the perbsky forests, there is such a cave of denisov, and they found bones there, but these bones do not belong

to homo sapiens, they belong to the neanderthal subspecies, neanderthals - this is not homo sapiens, this is a race that was considered more selective, because it could not withstand the competition with golosabiyets, well, it's er... it's not quite people , so to speak, well, i think that the katsaps originate from there, that is, a direct, direct line from pyrma directly to modern moscow, well, it is logical, well, yes, i am logical, i agree, because everyone , and we all, we all originated from africa, by the way, i was there, i was in tanzania, where this major fault line. that's where humanity came from, that's where it is, the remains of this beast were found there, well, you know

the whole story, and they came from africa, they all then settled all over the globe, but didisov's pischera is a separate story, they were not from africa, they lived there in the thicket of the nidisov, and from there they split throughout katsapstan. they said it logically, no, well, i don't see mistakes, you know, tell me, you were always famous for what you predicted, you predicted, you were such a predictor always, i'm a bitch cassandra , well, anything about cassandra anyway, because it's just interesting, on the one hand i'm an optimist, on the other hand a pessimist, i'm an optimist in the sense that i think it will end something like this.. . a serious enough collapse of russia, but the pessimist is that it will not happen tomorrow and even the day after tomorrow and even in a year, what do you say when it can happen, and what

ruins you see. these ruins, do you see them or do you not? well, you know, there are so many people in this country, besides me, i'm not a professional, there are many here professional football players who earn their fair bread, and that i will climb there with my muzzle into this row of kalashnikovs and break the harmony, i don't know, i only know that sometimes it happens to me... the feeling is that you can't do it all the time , because the critical masani should then work against you, well, i’m such an idealist, that is, maybe i’m wrong, no, well , just listen there, there is a critical mass from, i don’t know , from ivan the terrible, they had a critical mass accumulating, it’s starting to know when from 15 ..

she was always saving money and you know, well, me i'm trying not to argue, to express other opinions, but what about spirituality, what about gerasim bubu, and how about dostoevsky, that's all, no, i just think that some katsaps thought the same way, well, we didn't think so, because we were colony , always us, but they thought so in the 33rd year, in the 29th year... well, it can't be like this, well, it can't go like this, and then some even thought in the 37th year, these are those , who were not shot, but it was still the same, and it goes on and on and on, and you and i are not young people, we remember how long did the dissidents doubt when gorbachev came, and they said yes, no, well, communism , well, no, well, but then life, if gorbachev was there, then yeltsin and all, no, no,

now we are already... everything, we already have a little less spirituality, and a little more brains, damn it, putin came again and again, well, we see what we see, that is, i am always like this, well, they are really unique, they are really unique in that, well any other country would have died 10 times already, and they live, and there's no way around it, there's no way around it, well, tell me what you do you do a little about myself , as they say in soviet documentaries, what do you do now, what do you have, what kind of amiga do you have, everything is as usual, but i write a little like this on paper, there is a plastering workshop there, and now we are with the composer slava nazarov, you know him very well, but we messed up the gablit rock opera.

and now we are working on it, but we already have such a period that we have already started, we are already sewing costumes, there are sketches of costumes, we are sewing costumes, we are making scenery, we have already written all the music and 70% work with actors, well, that is, yes, we are already about two- thirds of the way through this. so with the best schedule, i think if all the stars align, then maybe sometime in the spring we will see it all, and tell me, if suddenly there is a role where you don't have to sing, then don't forget about me, sing, sing everywhere you have to, abigo, damn it, i would so like to sing, who,

who, who? who are the actors, who are the actors , what are you for, i know them, all of them, the actors are partly the ones you know them, they, hamlet will be played by dmytro vyvcharuk, who played the hare in beasts, you know him, yes, yes yes, yes, yes, here's the guy, claudius, ophelia, by the way, ophelia was almost more important than the gablet for me. well, friends, i traded for a woman, i always said that, yes, claudiophilia and the ghost are new, you don’t know them, and the costume is gorgeous there, well, now i will literally tell you about the plot in three words, the fact is that we see the scenography in front of you is the north sea and the sea with...