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welcome to the espresso channel. the government of ukraine plans to increase production capacity this year. of the domestic defense-industrial complex six times compared to the 23rd year. build-up capabilities of the defense industry should scale up the production of long-range missile systems, drones, shells, armored vehicles and other systems for our military. currently, according to the ministry of strategic industries, ukraine's defense-industrial complex includes 500 enterprises, which employ 300,000 workers. however , it should be understood that... currently, four out of five companies in our defense industry are actually private, and this component is developing primarily at the expense of the initiative of managers and teams of enterprises that create clearly necessary weapons for our army and defense forces. so

we will talk about the possibilities of private companies, how their potential was realized last year, what are the plans for the current year, in the next edition of our program about war. and weapons and in general on and in general by companies and on the example of specific samples of weapons and equipment. my name is serhiy zguryts, i am the director of the defense express company, which, together with the espresso channel, is now striving to cover the most relevant events in the life of our military and the defense industry of the complex and now we are joined by serhiy vysotskyi, deputy head of the public organization national association of the defense industry of ukraine for strategic communication. mr. sergey, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you. hear, yes, congratulations, mr. sergey, congratulations, dear tv viewers, i am glad to see you and hear you too, you have been working in this position for some time, i think that you have familiarized yourself in detail with the capabilities of those companies that are part of your association today, and i wanted b, that you tell our viewers what

the capacities and capabilities of private companies look like now enterprises, what were the main results for last year, are there any data on production volumes, that is, such general... features that allow, well, to make a general assessment of what is happening in the private sector of the domestic defense industry. yes, thank you very much, mr. serhiy, well , we certainly do not conduct a financial assessment of the companies of the association, but we can say for all companies that, of course, compared to the period before the large-scale invasion, production has increased by dozens. times, there are certain types of weapons that were actually put on weapons certified, according to the state, already after a large-scale invasion, they went into series, and we hope, of course, that this serial

production will become, well, such a foundation for strengthening our capabilities of our defense forces. well, from what has been announced, at least publicly already by officials, we can say that finally our bohdan howitzer, which is manufactured by an enterprise, a member of the association, has gone into series production, there are plans for a small increase in this production, well, it has gone into series production and is now mass-produced is supplied to the armed forces, ukrainian mortars from another company member of the association, in fact , this is... the only example, well, almost one hundred percent and almost 100% domestic of such a defense product, there are some parts, of course, of foreign origin, but it is a completely ukrainian product, so the question is to what extent this company will be able to build up, expand its production

capacity and, accordingly, contract technological processes at enterprises in order to increase its volume have passed, and it is not only about association companies, of course, ukrainian private defense companies are very actively involved in the production of ammunition, which is now being produced. well, in ukraine there are several examples of such dense conversion in close cooperation with western partners. now we are reestablishing contact, we are talking with serhiy vesotsky, he is the deputy head of the public organization national association of defense industry of ukraine for strategic communication, now we are continuing our conversation, mr. serhiy, continue if possible, yes, yes, yes, yes. i said about what was demonstrated for the last year companies, private companies

, not only in our association, in general there are a number of companies that have demonstrated a very successful example of cooperation and conversion with western partners in the manufacture of ammunition, here i am talking about the line of ammunition of soviet calibers 152, 122, as well as nato calibers , 155 artillery caliber, and there the 82nd or 120th. mines for mortars, and this conversion, of course, is expanding, we hope that we will be able to put in 30, 40, or maybe twice as much ammunition for the needs of the defense forces already this year, there are high-tech developments, we take a very active part in such conversion programs with western partners to strengthen ppon, for the sake of strengthening. capabilities to protect the sky, so in fact, in fact, it is necessary to fully

agree, of course with the officials, with the ministry of strategic industry, the ministry of defense, that the military-industrial complex of ukraine is on such strategic rails, and in order to expand it production, that's why to make both quantitatively and qualitatively more products this year. well, you need, you need, of course, some conditions, which, i think, we will also talk about with you on this broadcast. yes , mr. sergey, indeed, the next question, i would like to understand what the creation of the synergy effect actually is, it requires such, well, assistance from both sides in order to achieve the most effective result, and of course, then after this, in any in this case , our private enterprises have certain difficulties, problems, and they are actually consolidated in the format of appeals to naudi. and what are the issues that most concern our private enterprises: lack of finance for

the order, forecasting of the order, personnel, equipment, how could these areas be arranged in such a way, in relation to certain areas, that worries our private companies? look, this is a very large-scale set of tasks that must be solved in the near future, and first of all, of course, this... set of tasks is connected with the fact that private enterprises of the military-industrial complex, they assume all the risks, in terms of production and supply of the corresponding products, whether ammunition or military equipment or some technological components. it is necessary to understand that the elemental base for such products, for weapons and ammunition and technological... we do not have enough, moreover, we do not have enough capacity

to ensure a full one hundred percent production cycle of ukrainian weapons and ammunition, but at the moment i do not confident that this production capacity is 100% doable because it requires extremely high investment, technology transfer from our western partners, which, unfortunately, they are not going to do yet, well, unfortunately, certain technologies are still not being transferred. in our country, and of course, this is a security issue, yes, because , as we can see, on the example of the latest missile strikes, the security issue for military-industrial complex enterprises is very, very serious, so now the production of these products, starting from an elementary mine of some kind for a mortar and ending with high-tech some... samples of our weapons are provided in a situation of conversion and in a situation when we, as

a country in an existential war, we compete with other countries for the supply of a very limited number of elemental bases and components for our defense products, in order to more clearly plan production capacities, purchase on a larger scale, in larger quantities. on more such long-term contracts, which ensures a price reduction of this entire elemental base, of course we would like the ministry of defense and other government to order. nevertheless, they paid attention to that norm, the article of the law on defense procurement, which provides for the conclusion of long-term contracts, unfortunately, so far the practice of concluding long-term contracts for the supply of weapons and ammunition, it is not widespread, let's say , there are already examples of such contracts, but they are not set on

some kind of flow, let's say it like that, we saw it during this year with companies, well, for example, well, alpha group itself, it was such a quiet scandal, well, what if the money was absorbed, but no, but they couldn't deliver the products, that's why there are such. that's how we, we will be able to ensure its fulfillment in a long-term contract, for you can, well, you can profess or you can develop very different approaches, there is a register of honest companies that supply almost 100% of contracted products to the defense forces, there are some criteria that can be

developed, but the implementation of the norm on long-term defense contracts is not... . capacity to ensure first of all, and war, you know, is about a resource, and money is a very important resource in any war, in order to ensure a reduction in the price of final products, of weapons and ammunition, you need predictability, you need opportunity to contract all these components, elements of foreign origin, production facilities located in third countries in the long term. in the future, and of course this will contribute to the price reduction, because unfortunately, according to the examples of the execution of contracts, if we have short-term contracts for six months, for example, we see such a trend that every six months the prices of products, weapons, ammunition, they are growing because, because the world market of these components, chemistry,

explosives, gunpowder, it does not stand still. this market is highly scarce right now, highly competitive, and so of course these international companies that manufacture this particular elemental base or these components, well , such as explosives, gunpowder, again, they constantly raise their prices, because this is a classic, classic law of economics, the higher i pause a little bit, i would like to understand, because in fact you and the directors of many enterprises are talking about the long term. contracts as a condition for reducing the price and stable loading of enterprises, but this does not happen despite the obvious rationality of such a step, you were on meetings with the ministry of defense, with the new leadership of the ministry of defense, i think that these issues were raised, and if there are still no changes, is there an explanation why the general staff of the ministry of defense or other structures there are not ready

to switch to this rational way of cooperation with our defense enterprises i , i would, you know, i would say that there is no lack of readiness, there is a very constructive discussion with the leadership of the ministry of defense, the general staff, and indeed, now we see very positive trends in terms of readiness to communicate with industry from representatives of state authorities, state customers in the field of defense. therefore, we are approaching this, believe me, i think that this year we will have successful examples of similar contracts, i already said that, let's say, the first such swallows, for the first positive examples, they are already being followed, so we will hope that this dialogue will be continued, that we, together

with state authorities and ministries , will work out the criteria, work out appropriate decisions about what to conclude these long-term contracts, especially with those companies that have shown themselves to be reliable suppliers, with companies that are not just importers, but er, those who manufacture weapons and ammunition, well , i think we will come to that, again i want to note that the dialogue is very constructive and very positive, well, then i would like to touch on one more topic, a long-running topic... which started last year, this is exactly the position of the state audit service regarding the profit of defense enterprises, there were several decisions of the parliament and there in... the cabinet of ministers' position regarding of this situation, there were also meetings of the pkk enterprise with the participation of your association and the new leadership of the ministry of defense

that the situation is illogical, it needs to be resolved, because it harms the defense enterprises themselves, but as the situation looks like today, so what i see is that the impression is that it still stands, and these risks are already becoming practical risks, there are examples such as, in particular, the fire engine, where the director is accused of violating his authority there, there is a court case that what can be done now to steer this situation in a logical, rational direction? and first of all, mr. sergey, i want to explain to our audience, well, about such a widespread narrative about some businessmen who make money from... war, in fact, if a company that manufactures weapons and ammunition or even imports them, well well, she works honestly from the point of view of reporting,

that is, she does not hide any of her commissions or profits in any transactions, well, fictitious ones, well, these companies live in very honest companies, i mean honest, honest ones companies that manufacture weapons and ammunition, respectively, or supply them. for imports , they live in a highly regulated field, and the profit for the supply of such products is regulated by a cabinet of ministers resolution, and this is the so-called 1.330 system, for 1% for the purchase of components in the middle of ukraine, that is, contracting between ukrainian counterparties, 3% for imports , 3% rate of return and 30%. it's for work, that is , it's for labor, for the hours of work needed to produce weapons or some type of ammunition there, well, and in the cost of production

this is 30%, they are very low, well, there is 5%, relatively speaking, in the cost price of some final product, this is robotic work, so in fact it is a very regulated field, there are no excess profits there, if the company is working. and there are no corrupt price increases for any relevant products for weapons and ammunition, and moreover, it is necessary to understand that if we are talking about the private sector, then in the private sector of the military industry there is no state funding, no subsidies, no direct state or private investments, in fact almost all almost all of this profit that is received is... invested in increasing capacity, but i know examples of companies that simply reinvested 100% of this profit in new production facilities, in the relocation

of enterprises, which is obviously necessary from the point of view of our such a security situation regarding missile attacks, and even if this is not something so far-fetched and these are not some deals, this is a business... which operates in a highly regulated regulatory field with very small percentages of profits, well , which are reinvested in to be in ukraine more weapons so that our armed forces can get more shells, more mortars, more armored vehicles, more other types of ammunition, more electronic warfare radio equipment and development more, more, more, more, so this dsu situation, it was... so blatant, because in fact we interpret it as sabotage against its defense and industrial complex of ukraine,

because it should be noted that this audit is still ongoing, it no longer concerned exclusively private enterprises, no, in fact they were put under attack the entire military industry of ukraine, both state and private, having for some reason decided, despite the existence of the law on defense procurement, despite the existence of the corresponding resolutions of the cabinet of ministers, dasu took only one resolution of the cabinet of ministers 335 out of context and said, that all the profits of the entire ukrainian military industry for the 22nd year are losses to the state budget, and therefore all companies, there company directors, relevant officials, should sit in prison, if these are losses for the state budget, then what, well it's a prison over there, and it was a very interesting example of how our military-industrial complex could just stand up, you know, in one week. due to searches, due to criminal proceedings, due to some court proceedings, well , due to the possible reluctance even of some owners to continue this work,

because if you have a choice, you... you know, very, very much we live, in fact, often not unfortunately, our citizens understand in what situation, risky and tense our military-industrial complex exists, well, everyone works in three shifts, yes, it is 24 hours a day work, it is the threat of rocket attacks, and it must be said, well, people are dying, yes, no matter how effective our air defense is, no matter how much we strengthen it, unfortunately, there are examples. well, when we heard the last example, this is the production of mtak, when rockets are hit, people die there, well, this is a huge production process, a huge industry, on which the survival of our state, our survival, remains enough little time, what the situation looks like from now to now now we are on behalf of the association. this is ours too

association, and the union of employers of ukraine , and the union of light industry, we together with the ministry of defense, and i thank the ministry of defense very much for once again a constructive, very, very sober position, a draft resolution of the cabinet of ministers was developed in order to solve this issue, it is necessary to say that this issue for the future has already been resolved by the 23rd year, i.e. the relevant regulations have been amended there, and now... well, if the profit could not be written off as a loss of the state budget, well, but for the 22nd and the year remains there, if the problem was a resolution of the cabinet of ministers was developed, it was introduced before the new year for the consideration of the cabinet of ministers, now we are waiting for an appropriate decision from the prime minister regarding the submission of this resolution, which regulates this critical issue, to the meeting of the cabinet of ministers, of course . we

, on behalf of the industry, on behalf of the military-industrial complex, call on the prime minister to submit this matter to the cabinet of ministers as soon as possible. mr. sergey, thank you very much for these explanations, they are important in the context of the situation surrounding these inspections of navodi, and the enterprise that is part of nadi, and i will remind our viewers that it was serhiy vysotskyi, deputy head of the public organization national association of the defense industry of ukraine for strategic. communications, we see that there is potential in private enterprises, but such things created by the audit service really sharpen this potential and create risks, we hope that the prime minister will still decide to adopt a resolution that will stop these illogical actions on the part of the audit service, we will talk further already about specific samples of military equipment and weapons, which are created by creative

teams, private companies, using the example of the backfire unmanned complex, but about this after the advertising and information block.

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