and let's start talking about polish-ukrainian relations. the tension lasted for almost six months, after we saw on the contrary very good relations between the two countries. now it seems that an agreement was signed yesterday, the new polish government signed an agreement with farmers, in the evening at 9 p.m. outside kyiv , the farmers unblocked the border. in fact , they got what they wanted, but the government simply paid off, let's say it as it is. i would say that the tension has not died down yet, because the tension remains, it's just talking. about farmers, but truckers continue to protest and continue are blocking the ukrainian-polish border, and in fact it is good that the government found an understanding with farmers and solved these problems, which, by the way, did not really concern ukrainian-polish relations, they were more demands that directly related to the production or producers of agricultural products in poland , but on the other hand, this is not a very good such... uh

, example of how to solve these problems, of some professional group in poland, which is not satisfied with its status or its, salaries or its production, or subsidies that it does not receive, and they do it by blocking the ukrainian-polish border, instead of what they should normally protest at the ministry of agriculture, and... from or at the polish government and demand there to satisfy their demands, and what is being done now is simply using the situation, the difficult situation in ukraine, which is caused by the russian aggression and the war, the problems with the border, which are already ongoing, which the truck carriers started several months ago, and thus attract this... its attention and in this way, well, the government

must do something, but this, in my opinion, is not the right move, because if there are protests, then these protests must be limited in time, must be in a limited place, defined place, as a rule, not on international highways and not on the ukrainian-polish border, which has absolutely nothing to do with the demands that the farmers had, listen, and now such a trend will not appear that transporters, farmers and everyone from .. improving relations to unlock the border and simply find a way to come on, look, in reality it ’s not so chaotic, permits are given for holding these protests, and holding any protest, whether in ukraine or in poland , requires the permission of the local authorities to

hold it... and where the number of protesters is outlined, the time protestors and the place of protest, and therefore, if the government really wants to restore order and not make the ukrainian and not move the ukrainian-polish border to a place where protests can take place, because it is a very sensitive place, then they should give , because protests they will anyway, they should... issue permits in other places, and obviously, there i say, if the farmers are protesting, it would be best for them to protest at the ministry of agriculture, logically. mr. andrii , look, i would still like to discuss the topic with farmers, just so that we can close it already, to also talk about the embargo on the export of ukrainian agricultural products . and this concerns us, in particular, because our entrepreneurs, our agrarians will

suffer from this too... and i would like to understand if, relatively speaking, the tension on the borders has already subsided somewhat, whether we can hope for certain relaxations from the side, the embargo on ukrainian agricultural products, or whether this decision can change over time ? well, i think that it is necessary to make sure that this decision is changed, and it is necessary to conduct tough negotiations with polish partners. it's good that there is a government in poland now, because what happened there for the last six months was actually enough. unstable situation, let's say, domestic political situation in poland, the election campaign, the elections themselves , the formation of the interim government, well, all this did not contribute to having someone to negotiate with, now we have partners, we have a government that will be for the long term, a government that, i think, is still pro-european , the government is pragmatic, in general, and prime minister donald tusk is known for... that he

knows europe well and ukraine well, so i think that we need to develop a clear position regarding the negotiations on our own. about these embargoes on ukrainian agricultural products, and withdraw from also from our own national interests, ukraine is obviously now in a difficult situation caused by the war and the blocking of corridors for the export of ukrainian agricultural products. poland is one of the ways to the world, let's say, and this also needs to be communicated to... our polish partners, together with our european or global partners, are conducting these negotiations with poland, but if poland bans the import of our agricultural products, then i hear voices that it is possible and we should reconsider

policy regarding the import of polish agricultural products or polish products to ukraine, or we are partners and lead. parity dialogue and we get the same, we make some concessions to one side and the other, or if it is so firmly that poland has closed the door to ukrainian products, then maybe we should tell the poles, maybe we will then close the door to polish products, and the mirror answer, although, a mirror answer, although it will not lead to good, so it is necessary to conduct strict but concrete pragmatic ones talks. regarding the change of these positions, what we will talk about is not, fortunately, of a systemic nature, these are such cases, but which must also be discussed and responded to. i am now talking about xenophobia, about various xenophobic statements on polish television, in the polish media,

recently, on the air of one of the tv channels of the republic, they said that migrants should be resettled in auschwitz, then they went further and said that in general it is necessary to... chip , to put some such appropriate tattoo, because it will be cheaper than sending somewhere and salt separately. we understand that the prime minister condemned all this, is the case being investigated by their prosecutor's office, or should we react to such things, because we understand that it is about refugees in poland, it is also about ukrainians to a large extent. obviously, if there are such statements, it is necessary to respond to them, it is necessary to condemn such statements, and in case. precisely these statements that were made, if i am not mistaken, on television, polish, television of the republic, then of course, which is good, that it was condemned, relevant statements were made by political figures, state

actors, but if the prosecutor's office starts an investigation, because such, such positions, such a position cannot be tolerated. because it leads to tension in society, and you absolutely rightly said, in the case of ukraine, these trends can be quite dangerous, considering that several million ukrainians are in poland, so far it's all happening only in words, but i think that it is necessary to react sharply to such statements, to condemn them even if there is a criminal case. basis, then also bring to responsibility. sir andrii, by the way, i would like to discuss this issue a little more widely, i think that it is possible, perhaps, some steps on our part, for example, regarding the commemoration

of polish national memory, can somehow soften our bilateral relations, conditionally speaking, at least to declare some such things, and this, in my opinion, can be somewhat similar. to reduce the degree of tension, can we use our history and the history of the poles now so that, conditionally speaking, this was the moment that did not separate us, on the contrary, he united in order for us to understand each other, and actually this later had a positive effect on our and economic moments , including, i think that the issue of the historical past played and will play an important role. role in ukrainian-polish relations, and we have our history, we must remember, know, respect our history, the poles have their history, and they respect and remember it, very well, maybe even more so, this historical policy

present in polish society, but also difficult pages of the ukrainian-polish past also need study, honor and respect for each other. i think that it is absolutely necessary to approach with understanding those requests that the polish side has, in particular, regarding honoring. in memory of those who died or were killed in volyn during the second world war. i think that we also need to honor the memory of those ukrainians who died and allow the poles to honor their memory. there is nothing wrong here. that is, we now feel this need during the war and understand very well, especially those families, who lost their loved ones at the front and cannot find them, that is, they cannot. to bury our soldiers with dignity in a christian way, the same approximate situation was

during the second world war, and some polish families cannot bury their loved ones who died in the 40s, and this should be approached with understanding, i i think that if we are like that, we will take the same steps as i say, with the same. the same need arises in polish in poland, where ukrainians, ukrainian families need to honor the memory of those who died, whether to restore cemeteries, tombstones, this also all needs to be done, if we remove this problem in ukrainian-polish relations, which is quite controversial, it will open up an opportunity for us to solve problems in other industries and spheres. we all hope it works. but it must be done absolutely, because it is, well, it is christian

, it is humane, and neighborly, and neighborly, and plus we know poland, it is quite conservative and very respectful of its history , er, in relation to our other neighbors, neighbors across the sea, about the turks, let 's talk now, they don't miss the two herbivores that are coming to us from britain, which we could use for demining the black sea, in the end the turks are also interested in this. are guided by the relevant agreements , albeit a hundred years old, although some experts already say that these agreements, this montreux convention, can be interpreted quite broadly, and in fact, these tri-ships should be interpreted not as warships, but as ships intended for defense, for such even humanitarian goals, which ways do you see, how can we negotiate, what should be the communication with turkey now, somewhere, on whom? who to influence, who to talk to, so that they miss? well, it looks like

erdogan makes all the decisions in turkey, so we will have to talk to him. in fact, this policy adopted by turkey, it is simply playing, it wants to play an important role and it bargains, bargains to be influential not only in the black sea, but in general to play an important role in international politics. sometimes in this way a little blackmail, such as, for example, the ratification of sweden's membership in nato, yes, that is, again, well, logically, it should not be tied to the solution of any issues related to the national or religious issues of the turkish people, but, but turkey is uses, and trades. therefore, i think that we need to trade, but not only us, but also the british, as well as

other partners, we need not only to negotiate directly with turkey, but to involve our partners, allies from other countries, especially those which are sent to us help, in this case great britain and also its nato member countries, turkey. being a member of nato, it must still somehow listen to its partners, so i think we need to strengthen this, increase this pressure on turkey and decide, and change their position a little so that it is more favorable to ukraine, and not such that they will flirt a little with russia, they will flirt a little with the west, they will flirt a little with ukraine, because also, if god forbid it happens, as you said absolutely right, it can be useful tacos. and turkey, this demining and security in the black sea is in their own interests, not such a

political game. mr. andriy , let's talk about our other neighbor, romania, which , by the way, the ukrainians for some reason underestimated as our partner and ally, because now romania plays a huge role in helping us to bypass the blocking of the polish-ukrainian border, and here it jumped into zmi information, we do not know for sure, there is no official confirmation yet, however, it is circulating in zmi such information. about the fact that romania is building a transport corridor between ukraine and the eu, bypassing poland and hungary, and we will actually be able to use this corridor in order to transport from ukrainian, actually from... more precisely from ukraine to romanian ports everything that we could theoretically deliver through poland, and here i would also like to note that these works are being carried out with the funds of the european union and romania, that is, ukraine is not involved in financing this in any way, but we know that a lot of workers are currently involved there,

that is, they are trying to complete this road as soon as possible, we understand that this is an alternative, because it is not known how long it will take. the border will be blocked, can this be an alternative in your opinion, and i will add one more question to this, because it is possible to bring food grain from ukraine, it is also possible to ukraine, for example, the nativ port of constanta, a lot of good things can also pass from here to ukraine, you know, this is a good example for the current polish government, because the fact that polish truckers have blocked the border affects not only ukraine, but also ukrainian... polish relations, but this also affects other countries and manufacturers in other countries who send goods to ukraine and cannot deliver them because polish truckers have blocked the international highway, it seems a bit strange that for such a long period of time they were allowed to do this, i am absolutely

convinced that there are other than economic savings. these demands also have a political or even geopolitical basis and the fact that the party that tolerates this was initiated and supported by the party of the right, the radical confederation, having relations with russia, absolutely, most likely it is also doing it under the influence of russian agents, as if causing... harm to ukraine, yes it is harming ukraine, but it is also harming the polish economy, because if such a corridor is created, then most of our goods will go through romania, not through poland, and poland could earn from this as well, and polish ports could earn by exporting and importing products that go to ukraine, and what they do, they

harm and also their economy, and harm er... good, as it seemed to me, and until now , the image of poland in the world, because poland, which was initially a large-scale aggression, actually became a very serious partner of ours, a neighbor, and we are very grateful to the polish people and the polish government at that time, and to the president who now to president duda, who remains, for the way they... reacted to aid to ukraine, including logistical aid, because quite a lot of military aid for us and humanitarian aid was sent through poland, but now this is all blocking well simply nullifies all these successes achieved by poland in the international arena, helping ukraine, fighting against russian aggression, so

i think that if such an example of a transport corridor from ukraine is implemented. romania, i think this will be a good additional argument for us in our negotiations with poland to say: "well, you are losing, and let's make another corridor that will benefit ukrainian and international carriers, and benefit from it will be for both ukraine and poland, in that including economic and financial. you mentioned russian agents in poland, we know that there are enough of them all over the world, in germany." and there they were nurtured for years in general, and here some incomprehensible drones, it turns out , have been flying over german training grounds for a year now, where the ukrainian military trains, in particular at leopards, how could this happen, i understand that if they were discovered there today, yesterday, and they say that it has been a year, well, i am surprised that the germans did not notice it earlier, if they did notice

that they did not react, and in addition, now germany in principle very carefully. is to in ukraine, different groups, different strata of the population regularly began to ask, to demand from the bundestag, from scholz to hand over the taurus to ukraine, how it all intertwines, you see, well, germany, i think, is a good example of how transformation takes place in western countries , uh, their relationship to russia and their, their relationship to ukraine. in a positive direction for us, and actually, well, i can say that some states, especially those that are further from... ukraine from that and from the history of ukraine and the experience of cooperation with russia, these countries further to the west, they

relaxed, just relaxed, and they felt comfortable living in such a situation, well , everything was more or less normal, safe, society, the economy worked, there were no upheavals, they cooperated with russia, russia... bribed them, kept them on the hook, but they agreed to it, and that is why we are only noting some things now, i do not know all the details for sure, it would be necessary to study whose drones these are, and whether there are some russian words, but i can definitely say that germany is changing, germany and and chancellor scholz is more sympathetic to ukraine. we have more weapons, but it took a longer period of time, it took years, maybe even years, to convince them that russia is

the aggressor, that russia cannot continue to cooperate or work as it was before the outbreak of war, well, even before 2014 , not only before this large-scale aggression, and unfortunately, it is time , it is a process that er... attitude to russia, attitude to of ukraine and the attitude to reality, and taking off such a little rose-colored glasses and understanding what russia actually poses, what threat it poses, not only for ukraine, but for the whole world, but it is good that this process is going on, and not for us. .. to stop and we constantly need to emphasize this and not only diplomats, not only politicians

, not only parliamentarians, but also media workers, social public organizations, which could transfer this reality to german society, will manage to press in the near future and still force scholz and...those on whom this decision depends, to hand over taurus to ukraine in the near future. we understand that we have goals, and they understand what goals we want, what goals we want to direct taurus to? i think that we should not give up, and we need to continue to work and push, and i am convinced that we will achieve our goal if we are consistent, firm and convincing. it was not so easy for us. to form a tank coalition, then there was an aviation coalition, it takes time, it is necessary

to convince partners, but this work should be to carry out, i think that in the case of germany, we will also manage to convince them, and where we are not finalizing, if it is about convincing partners, actually, why is it taking so long, maybe somewhere we can communicate more, communicate, inform. .. is it even possible to put pressure on this international diplomacy of ukraine, how it looks today, and what else could be improved there? i think that we need to be more active in the international arena, and it should involve not only diplomats, not only the ukrainian diplomatic service, which works quite actively in this direction and has achieved quite great results, but the president should also do this. and the government, and individual members of the cabinet of ministers, and our parliamentarians, who must convey this information to their colleagues, parliamentarians, what

ukraine needs now, this parliamentary diplomacy must be very active, and also , as i said, public organizations , they also play a very big role, it is that ukrainian public organizations, many foundations that help, collect aid. in the west and transfer to ukraine, they also spread information about the needs and the real situation in ukraine and the real situation at the front, but i also think that we need to involve ukrainians who have now left and are abroad, their position should be even more active. mr. andriy, let's move on to the discussion of european diplomacy, today there was information that the president of the council... charles michel may leave the post, as he intends to run in the elections to the european parliament in june, and accordingly, if he - still leave yours

position in july, then... ah, the eu leaders will have to quickly agree on his successor, but considering that hungary will have the next turn, namely the presidency of the european council, then in essence charles michel's duties may to go to the socially famous orbán, the minister of hungary, and for us, as for ukrainians, well, this is a huge challenge, we understand that yes, the situation can still change before that time, that is, there is still a very long time. period of time before charles michel can finally declare his intention, however, what threatens ukraine if after all, hungary will temporarily chair the european council? no, well, the fact that hungary will chair the european council, that will be it, it will already happen, or orbán will be, then charles michel will take his place, let's see, it seems to me that european leaders are also not

very... uh, let's say yes, diplomatically , no, not very friendly, not very friendly with orbán , it's not only, uh, orbán's policy on ukraine, but also orbán's policy on european union policy, and both his blocking and the veto that he tried and in the past and in the recent past apply, do not contribute to the fact that he has developed good relations with european leaders. therefore, i think that the european leaders will still find a way to replace the president of the european council michel as soon as possible and find a new candidate, this is the question , in fact, why it arose, because it is necessary to approve the candidacy, and there is a certain deadline, as a rule, for the approval of such a candidate candidacy european leaders had longer time there, well, a year there. a few months, and

now under the pressure of circumstances will be forced to work faster, well, this is not a tragedy, them you just need to make a decision faster, and if they really don't want to have this tension with orbán later, then i think it's better to quickly find a candidate who would satisfy everyone and who could fulfill the duties of the president of the european council from july, well, it looks like that the europeans are ready to work, because even this summit is in december, and when they declared. that if they do not solve the issues, they are ready to stay longer, even on holidays, their diplomats told about the fact that the politicians, about the fact that there are more shirts with they took it on themselves just in case, so yes , it is true, they just need to work faster and work harder, they are used to working like any bureaucracy slowly, and especially the european bureaucracy, which had no threats, now there is a threat - war, and this is a serious threat not only for ukraine, but also for europe, here another russian aggression is

not a war, but russia. there's another threat in the air, it's about nato, right? trump has long been talking about the fact that he would take the united states out of nato. now we understand that it is possible that trump will not be admitted to the elections, but the republican candidates, presidential candidates, others have a very similar position, this ramoswami, who has already spoken and voiced the essence of trump's rhetoric more than once, also says that if i am elected, then i will . the united states of america with nato, if such a reformatting of this structure were to happen, is nato possible in principle without the united states of america? well, i don't think that 's going to happen because it's not just going to be a presidential decision, and it's good that the united states has the relevant political levers that would block the adoption of such a decision and the withdrawal

of the united states from nato. it would be serious. a blow to the euro-atlantic security structure itself, if this were to happen, so i think that there are many smart people in america who will not allow this to happen, but on the other hand, it is also an additional incentive to strengthen the defense of europe, and for the european to the union, no, this is a signal that we should not only rely on the united states, but also strengthen our... defense, security policy in europe as well, and also say something like that, now we are talking about the fact that ukraine should, we understand, manufacture various weapons by itself, not only count on help from other countries, in particular the same united states of america, but speakers often tell us on our airwaves that there is no appropriate political will, there are no appropriate decisions, because unpopular decisions must be made that are not...