the united states with nato, it would be a serious blow to the euro-atlantic security structure itself if that happened, so i think there are a lot of smart people in america who would not let that happen, but on the other hand, it's also an additional incentive to strengthen the defense of europe, and for the european union, this is not a signal that we should not only rely on the united states, but yes... also strengthen our defense and security policy in europe as well, and say something like that, right now we are talking about ukraine should, we understand, make various weapons ourselves, not only count on help from other countries, in particular the same united states of america, but speakers often tell us on our airwaves that there is no appropriate political will, no appropriate decisions, because unpopular decisions must be made , which are not... popular

decisions should be made today by the ukrainian government so that ukraine has greater capacity, so that we can do more ourselves, rely less on someone, and rather the economy, so that ours works, and the military industry, and so that mobilization processes also went more smoothly, i think it is necessary to understand that , if the military actions are prolonged further, we need to switch to... to a military economy, and we need to orient not only the military-industrial complex, but other sectors of the economy to that they work for our armed forces and for the needs of our armed forces, but here again the question is with the state, with the government, if we want to interest in producing more military products in our country, then we need to do certain things.

benefits for those manufacturers of military products, or create conditions so that, or do not interfere with them, so that they can produce military products, and in addition, it is necessary to work with our partners and create conditions so that the production of military equipment can take place in ukraine , to encourage these investors if they want to help ukraine produce this equipment and to create suitable conditions for them. favorable conditions so that they could come to ukraine. thank you, mr. andrii, for the conversation, for so many important answers. andriy deshchytsia, diplomat and extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine, was on the air of the tv channel in our studio. we will stay with this topic, with the topic of diplomacy and international communication, then we will talk about the far east, stay with espresso. we'll be back in a few minutes. there are

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flew to ukraine and were recognized somewhere there, as it were, in particular on will there be any consequences for kharkiv region, or could there be for the northern region? korea consequences, can there be consequences at the international level, after all this? there may be consequences , but not those that we could hope for, not those that would really force north korea and russia to stop intensifying military cooperation and prevent ballistic missiles originating from north korea from reaching... the territory of ukraine, unfortunately, completely it is possible that the world will additionally introduce sanctions against north korea, but the north korea has been surviving under harsh sanctions

for many, many years, it is surviving badly, but it is surviving and does not plan to change anything, instead russia is ready to pay for technology. which korea needs and cash which korea also needs so the world will react but not enough to stop it and china will react because their position is that we don't know anything, yes the chinese foreign ministry spokesman said that they do not know about such cooperation of russia, north korea, in fact, he has already left. happened, because you and i are adult, intelligent people, we understand that it is unlikely to be him learned from the journalist's question, most likely the chinese side had the relevant information, of course we do not have direct evidence of this, but it is realistic

to think that the americans knew, the ukrainians knew, and the chinese did not, well, let's say so, i would still think so , that... that they are much more informed, and if china was so much against north korea's cooperation with russia, then china would take action, so i think china will continue with the policy that it will follow, which is to maintain its formal neutrality and call for both parties to the conflict. to a peaceful solution, as they call ukrainian. mr. oleksandr, we understand that the russian dictator's invasion of ukraine on february 24, 2022 may trigger a certain cascade of events on the territory of our entire globe, and we have already

mentioned the dprk and its cooperation with russia, but we also know in recent days that the dprk started shooting from in the direction of south korea, and here, you see, everyone, as they say, stopped, because the situation looks like it is starting to escalate, well, at least there is no open escalation, but some manifestations of it. we we are watching, and earlier on january 1 , kimchin stated that north korea no longer seeks reconciliation and reunification with south korea, we understand that what putin is doing, someone somewhere is actually trying to model it on himself and understands that if there is no clear and confident support of the west in the confrontation with russia, there is no guarantee, for example, that if some movements begin between south and north korea, then the world will somehow... actively try to calm and

de-escalate this conflict, and here i have you have questions are we now standing on the threshold of another hot front, because during this year, last 23rd, we also saw the events in nagorno-karabash, we saw the events between israel and hamas, and here is this whole process, here are all the hot spots on the planet , they look like this, they only start more often. appear on our map, that's right , you're absolutely right, the only thing is, well, i can't, i don't have an answer, whether we're going to see a hotter escalation between north and south korea, though , i tend to think that no, but direct evidence and i don’t have any arguments why not, i still don’t have any, but i think that it’s more like u... mother is also another part of helping putin, because

in this way, after all, attention is focused on the so-called collective event and the same south korea, which also actively helps us in countering russian aggression, of course, the attention of the united states and japan. and the attention of south korea in the first place will naturally be more focused now on the issues of its own security, this is absolutely now beneficial to putin, as well as the attack of hamas on israel, as well as the possible escalation between venezuela and guyana, as well as the possible escalations, which we know less about and talk about, which permanently take place in african countries, that is , in this way, the attention ceases to be focused

on ukraine and focuses around the world, which is beneficial to putin and strategically beneficial to china, because in this way he weakens the united states of america, he does nothing himself. mr. oleksandr, as for cooperation between china and russia, that's already... that's all for a long time it is transparent and clear that chinese manufacturers actually dominate, when it comes to trade, very important elements of the military industry specifically for russia, and now they have actually recorded a 10 -fold increase in the supply of modern machines that allow for very precise and professional milling of metal, well , we understand , that this can lead to the fact that the russians will simply be able to manufacture even more... means of defeating ukraine, where can this cooperation develop further? i

don't think she will develop anymore, she just is will become more active in all directions in which it develops. that is, i am still not inclined to think that china will start actively supplying russia with weapons, openly, because china is after all. is not ready to go under western sanctions, china is not ready, like russia or north korea or iran, to become such a rogue country, because china, on the contrary, claims world leadership and strives to achieve it, and it is precisely in this that it competes with the united states of america, but in all possible ways methods, as they say, on the verge of a foul, will continue to work with russia, but it is for us on the edge of the circle, they

consider it absolutely as normal cooperation in all areas that are not prohibited by international law and correspond to their own. and how far will china go to use russia as just its raw material appendage. we understand that this cooperation and there, as it were, support and so on, that's all before'. it is economically beneficial for china, and also in competition with the united states of america, china has occupied its own niche. i will ask briefly, literally a minute and a half. then i'll even faster as i can so much to use, well, a concise and very clear answer, thank you for all the answers, mr. oleksandr, oleksandr fedichev, a member of the ukrainian association of china studies was with us, then we will talk about ukrainian affairs and about matters

that actually concern our integration into various world organizations. ivanna pushyntsadze, people's deputy of ukraine and head of the committee on the integration of ukraine into the eu. already on our airwaves. congratulations, mrs. ivanna. good day. well, the committee, the special committee on nato issues is planning create our parliamentarians. we assume that this is really necessary, because the next summit in washington is six months away, and we have high hopes for this summit. and the question is, what would this committee have? to do so, what clear tasks will be assigned to this committee so that it is not just a structure that exists because it is beautiful? and you know, i am glad that the chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine finally decided that something needs to be done for ukraine's membership in the north atlantic alliance, but the initiative he announced in his interview to create a committee with

issues of nato, this is definitely not a meaningful proposal, and this is another pr move. which will not give the result that should bring us closer to membership in the alliance. in my opinion, today we have a committee on national security and defense, which should continue to work accordingly on the reform of the defense and security sector, as provided by other strategic documents, including the law on national security, including the strategic defense bulletin, as well as. .. finally , the verkhovna rada of ukraine of the ninth convocation, under these same laws and ballots , would have to separate, and instead of what she did, which she did, which she combined intelligence, and attached it to this committee on national security and defense, separate the intelligence committee into a separate committee, like this works in all democratic states of the world,

then we will really have the competence of committees that will allow us to move effectively along the way. including joining the euro-atlantic community, but simply creating a committee that, in the opinion of the chairman, and this made me very happy parliament should bring our legislation in line with nato standards, it 's just sad to hear, because if it's about nato standards, then nato standards are about weapons, it's about the calibers of weapons, and it's about... management methods in the troops - it's about reform of the security and defense sector, but nothing else, there is no common legislation for the countries that are members of the north atlantic alliance, according to which ukrainian legislation must be considered for compliance, such an array of legislation exists in the european union, and that is why

the ukrainian parliament for many years already has four... convocations of the parliament parliamentary committee on the integration of ukraine into the european union. mrs. ivano , could you name, for example, three steps, yes, we need to do one, two, three, first of all, during such and such a time, so that our preparation for this summit is effective, and not just effective from our point of view , and that this also has an impact on the decision of the top of nato. you know, i've been talking for several years now that in order to demand something and expect positive decisions from our partners in the alliance regarding the invitation of ukraine regarding our further progress, it is necessary not only to conduct the political part of the dialogue with them, it is not simple, it encounters certain resistance , to some skepticism, but to remove any claims against ukraine regarding our

non-compliance with the basic approaches and principles of the alliance countries. and it is very simple, we must finally pass the law on the security service of ukraine, take away from the security service of ukraine uncharacteristic for counter-intelligence agencies, for intelligence authorities. this is what must be done. it is necessary to pass a law that would change our approaches to state secrets and to the way in which the guarantee of state secrets is ensured. parliamentary and civilian control over the security and defense sector must be renewed... here are the first three steps that should be clearly demonstrated already. immediately to our partners that ukraine is seriously aiming at the fact that it wants to become a member of the alliance, everything has already been invented before us, and that is, there is an annual national program, er

, which was finally approved at the end of the year right under the christmas tree by the government, it is much more like that - concentrated, prioritized, please take it and do it, but colleagues are again following the path here... well, such declarative things, and not things that would be related to real meaningful work. mrs. ivanna, i would also like to talk to you about the meeting of the ukraine-nato council, which will take place on january 10 in a few days. and we understand that now there are certain difficulties on the part of i will say this, the difficulties are not from the opposition branch deputies, let's say, who want to go. and perform their functions, and there is opposition from the authorities, who set certain requirements for the deputies who can go, to be the voice of ukraine in the world, but for some reason they must receive certain

instructions from the ministry of foreign affairs in order to be able to go, and so further and i want to ask, i understand that there will be important topics raised about this at this council, but on the other hand, i would like to understand what is your opinion on this matter, well, can our deputies, and you, in particular, and your... colleagues to be the voice to help ukraine more, so that we receive more missiles for air defense, so that we receive more weapons, because these issues will be raised at the ukraine-nato meeting, but we understand that personal contacts play a role in this direction extremely important role. and the nato council of ukraine is, after all, a body that concerns the executive power and interactions at the level of the executive power, i am glad that the ukrainian government turned to the north atlantic alliance, and this meeting is on the 10th. january at the level of ambassadors will be held, i i do not expect any extraordinary breakthrough decisions from this particular meeting, but it is important that ukraine brings the discussion

of ensuring our air defense to the discretion and consideration of our alliance partners, it is important, and we will absolutely support it, as regards the new obstacles that created by the speaker of the parliament of ukraine for... deputies in international activities, i am sorry to state that now we have another round of centralization, or an attempt to centralize decision-making in the collegial body in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, we see how, unfortunately, the speaker of the parliament, at a time when, as you rightly pointed out, when we fundamentally need not to increase support for ukraine, but at least to preserve it. you the support of ukraine that we had until now, when every voice that can sound confidently and convincingly through various platforms and through

various contacts on the international arena, today the speaker of the parliament creates new obstacles for the representatives, in particular the opposition or the so-called disloyal deputies could not leave for implementation of their powers, including in the international arena, the representation of their voters in the international arena, and this, and interaction, by the way, also with the voters, with our diasporas, and taking into account their interests, that is, today we see how the speaker exceeds his authority and violates several laws and the constitution, i know, we are currently preparing lawsuits for annulment with colleagues. of these orders, i hope that after all , there are some honest and fair courts and judges left in ukraine, who will be able

to make appropriate decisions that will help we need to protect parliamentarism, pluralism and the rights of people's deputies, respectively the rights of the voters whom they represent, and not to turn ukraine into such a late ussr. period with restrictions on the rights of citizens, we remember the rhetoric in ukraine in july of last year, when there were not just forecasts, but promises that here we all pack our bags, go to crimea to rest in yalta, drink coffee, and in such, accompanied by such information, there were disappointing news from vilnius, where we did not hear, yes, where in principle it is very difficult... to achieve some such positive hints of promises, and thinking about washington, there was not even a thought that something could go wrong, everyone

says that it is for sure. are looking for various arguments that it would be beneficial for biden to strengthen his influence and emphasize some positive achievements by inviting ukraine to nato, eh , are we ready to hear no in washington, because no one really promised, at the moment we should be aware that that there is no consensus of consensus across the countries, among the member countries of the alliance regarding the invitation of ukraine to nato already at the washington summit. and that means that we should learn certain lessons from our work in ukraine, the state of ukraine in preparation for vilnius. unfortunately, active work has begun in preparation for vilnius, perhaps a month or a half before the summit itself, and this is what is definitely no longer yielding results, this is that this emotional, chaotic, impulsive diplomacy has already exhausted itself, and today it is precisely

the transition to... to such systematic work, including by ensuring changes within the country, which would give additional arguments to our diplomats, our representatives, government officials, the same people to the deputies who are conducting negotiations with our partners at various stages, this could change the situation, are we ready, well , to hear no, as a country, and you know, i don't want to comment, but i am sorry when our... ukraine through the mouth of the president zelenskyi is offended there like a small child, that is, we do not need to be offended, we should behave like adults, and in order to get a result, an adult and a result that our defense forces, our citizens definitely deserve, the government should work accordingly, i think that emotionally ukrainians are not are ready to receive a negative answer, and accordingly, how should i put pressure on

today's authorities in order for it to start working systematically, to still expect positive changes on this track as well, and not only on the european integration track. mrs. ivanna, we have two more minutes, and i would like to touch on the internal situation in our country. maryana bezugla has become an information maker, let's say, in recent days, because she has already made her ambiguous statements, and in fact, it has already come to the point that the committee recommended that she be recalled from positions, but we understand that there is still... there will be a vote in the parliament ahead, and here's a question for you, i have a question for you, let's say this, you are astute as the people's elected representative, will there be votes to recall the unruly deputy from the position? you know, i'm generally sorry that each of us has in some way or we are asked to somehow comment on the actions of maryana bezuglai there, i still expected that the leadership of their faction, the servants

of the people or the leadership of the parl was possible. will take some position regarding the inadmissibility, well, a certain one behavior of one or another of their people's deputies, but they have no moral rods, no moral levers, no moral responsibility and political responsibility, they somehow do not feel for themselves whether there will be enough votes, i think that in view of the way mariana bezugla herself , the office will oppose this shift and... er , for today, i think that such an arrangement for the servants of the people on the part of the office, it is not positive for such, for such a shift, although the situation may change, and er , just the problem is that most colleagues from z servants of the people are not real subjects and are not real, well, people who can really make an independent decision, they are completely subject to the will of the bank.

well, according to the will of the presidium of the verkhovna rada , thank you, thank you, ivanna klympushtynzady of ukraine, let me state this thank you, people's deputy of ukraine and head of the committee on the integration of ukraine into the eu. now is the time for news, and khrystyna parubiy already has a selection of the most important information. excuse me, iryna koval is already in the studio. thank you, oksana, yes, it really is a surprise, not khrystyna, but iryna. i will talk about the most important events for this time in just a moment, so stay tuned. it's 2 p.m. in ukraine, news time on the spresso tv channel, in the studio of iryna koval, i welcome all viewers and now to the most important events. new victims in kherson.