others, and all of them have already half-started lawsuits against this, that is, against this list, because they say that i flew with him on his plane, but i never slept with a minor and did not know at all what happened in it is in some cells there, and there are also british princes and the rest of the world, in short, there is a whole story there, and everyone says that this is not political, but media, this is the press showing... its power, we don't care, just give us justice, and if this epstein is such a scoundrel, then here are all those who lit up next to him, we are here for you we are printing a list of where they met, then epstein was, by the way, at trump's in this, near miami in this, that is, residences, very often about, well, in short, a whole, a whole huge scandal, pay attention, if anyone is interested, read this, and i... i ask another thing: to what extent

are we, where, where are we located, look , the americans say, we, our goal is to give, as always in america, to give a fishing rod to the ukrainians, that is, to create a military-industrial complex for the ukrainians, and so that they themselves made rockets, bombs, guns, and so on, and on the other hand, it is obvious that we will not create during wars, it is this... industrial complex, which means that we will need, will continue to need, the same missiles and these guns that we need, which means that then kuleba, the minister of foreign affairs, comes out and says: no, no, this is not meant today, this means that they will support, support, give, give, well, if, if they solve this problem with which we started, well, then in time we will really have to think about the creation of a military-industrial complex, maybe together with... with americans, english, germans,

it doesn't matter to the poles with everyone who understands what civilization is, what barbarism is, where we are, because there is a complete controversy here, we can't create it now, if we reduce support today, it will immediately affect the front, because simply, simply, there are no such projectiles of rockets, how to translate this into normal language, well, let's start with the fact that i will be a military prison, if i say so. that something is already being created, and some clusters are already emerging producing certain types of goods for the needs of the armed forces, they are already emerging in romania, and in poland, and these clusters will expand, the question is now also about increasing the production capacity of ammunition, a certain specification of these ammunition and etc., that is, we are already talking about mass mass production, of course, this is going along... success stories, so to

speak, are positive stories go hand in hand with corruption stories, as with the factory that we were supposed to buy somewhere in bosnia or in croatia, and the money later got lost somewhere in the accounts, and there the turut was sanctified and slain and everyone who has a lot of surnames there is another story , it usually harms similar people initiatives, but in fact certain actions in this direction are taking place, and it is difficult to deny this. but somewhere we supposedly had ukroboronprom, which even produced something, and by and large we were witnesses there of the last ten or five years, the supposedly rapid development of ukroboronprom and stormy statements about some products there, which supposedly already exist before mass production , and about this it is worth asking where... where is all this, where is this,

is this all before the relocation of these enterprises, how effective is the stay in the new territories of these productions, are they provided with live labor, is it possible to relocate these productions abroad within the framework of the current ukrainian legislation, which is also related to military secrecy, here i have a lot of questions, and so do i, sir congratulations, i have too, but i am a journalist. i have the right to ask questions, and you, unfortunately , only answer, and you can say, i 'm very libertarian in that sense, i say that lockheed and boeing are not state-owned, definitely, they are connected to the state, definitely there there are a lot of things, but i always said that private property adds, not takes away, you will not steal from yourself, and then the question arises... and people are too much for me

, now i can already feel them throwing rotten tomatoes and eggs they just crash against the screen and say where everything belongs to the state, the state should be. strong, but the same thing you say about ukroboronprom, is this a state enterprise, or a group, or many factories, are included in this enterprise, somewhere they disappeared, were, were, and suddenly disappeared, we do not hear reports of ukroboron, we created it, and we created it and we have a lot of it, here we have shortcomings, but we will make up for it, and so on and so on and so on, so are you for private or state, so -called power? because it is easier to steal from the state , it seems to me, than from a private person, i have my own view on this, on this, i believe that the state is not a state after all, let's put it this way, but if there are elements of what is called national property, and if it is under state management, then we must follow the kpi of this

state management, accordingly influence, co-own, co-manage this national possessions, but this is a matter of another story , in relation to directly... ukroboronprom, we have production facilities, enterprises that are private, that produce elements for the supply of weapons for the armed forces, produce not only clothes or some elements of equipment, but also produce and ammunition, and they are licensed , they are already entering the market, they are gradually, even competing with state-owned enterprises, and... makes larger, larger volumes, but the problem is the paper bureaucracy, in which any initiative sinks, i urge all ukrainians to sign a petition on the website , which calls on the legislator, the president, and the cabinet of ministers to simplify as much as possible the activities

of private companies and volunteer initiatives engaged in the production of weapons, so that they do not drown in bureaucracy and paperwork. about this paper swamp, because it is the excessive burden of the bureaucracy, it belongs not only to private initiatives, but also to state ones, there the same kb luch, for example, or some other enterprise, the kyiv repair tank plant, they cannot withdraw or to sell products, transfer them to the troops, they are drowning in several months of problems with the ministry of defense in procurement, or on the contrary, another case when we talk about the transparency of these procurements, then the company that reports transparently about the fact that it supplies forums for military servicemen, there several daggers for 12 million dollars arrive and destroy the production capacity, as it happened at one of

the enterprises in kyiv, that is, precisely because of the transparency of the large account, because of the transparent, and possible, then the last question is whether group of questions, i think maybe the last question... because the answer will be vague, and it is possible to make something close to the ideal, because ukrainians really like to search for the ideal, they want to build something so that it is like a swiss watch, tick tick tick and that's it everything is ideal, this is possible in ukraine, sometimes it turns out that we are getting closer to this ideal, remember how we talked about the people's army, now i am also very much. about the people's army, when there is an opportunity to attract as many people as possible, namely to join the defense, resistance, to add help to the armed forces and so on, not to scare, not to chase people, namely to create this linkage of not 500 or 5 million, let's say, and we remember this feeling that

we had at the beginning of the invasion, when there really was a wave, when this wave then actually led to victories, because it created synergy, i.e. and... sometimes this is an ideal moment of unification of a volunteer, a wild field, deep-seated people, the armed forces of ukraine and even a partial leadership of the country, it gives a synergistic effect and then everyone is in their place and it works , but then again this perhaps the official's fear disappears and bureaucracy begins, which drowns everything, sinks and comes again a total solo. i am just in favor of this total salt and this bureaucracy, it should be minimal, and even then... the elements of this, they are combined and the model can be close to the ideal. well, you know, i want to tell you that the ancient jews have already taught us that 40 years must pass after all, and 40 years have not yet passed since 1991, so we need to dig a little further into

the soviet past, maybe something will change. in 5-10 years, just 40 years will pass. vitaly kulyk, political scientist, director of the center for the study of civil society problems. actually, we were talking about civil society, no matter what one thinks, because these are all problems of civil society, an ideal civil society has an army and an economy that are undoubtedly close to the ideal. and so on and the like, since civil society is half in ukraine, therefore the economy is half, and the whole world is half. now we will see the plot, i am with such, you know, i have an ironic attitude towards this plot, because a lot of people for many years, well a lot for one and a half to two years, during the initial military attack, it was discussed that many went abroad and will not return, we will talk about this later. to review the plot , we will talk with the president of the all-ukrainian association of international

employment companies, with mr. vasyl voskoboynyk, but now first there will be a plot about poland, where 70% of refugees have already found work, that is, good, and they have, they are now involved in poland, well and the question arises whether they will return, from my point of view they will 100% return, they will also take the poles. here, but there may be different opinions, so the plot, there will be a plot for 5 minutes, after the end of the plot there will be mr. vasyl vaskoboynyk, and then there will be iryna koval with news, this is our schedule until 8 p.m., and now the plot. marina is a repair and tailoring master from the city of dnipro. at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, a woman with two children was forced to leave her home. from the very beginning, i was at a complete loss, because i wasn't going to... where were they going, i didn't even have a foreign passport, not me, not the children, because we didn't think

to leave somewhere, i worked in ukraine, after arriving in warsaw, marina tried to work in a sewing shop as an employee, but later decided to start her own business, this car came to me from ukraine, my mother sent it to me by bus as a parcel, they disassembled it and my overlock arrived also from ukraine, that was the beginning, then i'm already here a little bit, they helped me a lot. and they helped with furniture and various lockers, whatever you want. marina started running a business a year ago, and already has many clients, mostly poles. it was easy to arrange everything, it is possible do online, says the woman. the most difficult thing is to find a suitable room. marina pays 2,600 zlotys per month for 10 square meters, which is about 25,000 hryvnias. to follow an entrepreneurial path in poland while they are helping. benefits at the moment, until i earn 30

thousand zlotys in a year, i don't pay taxes, at the moment i only pay zuz and health benefits, so it works out to 620 zlotys a month, such as the marina of entrepreneurs from ukraine here every year more, since the beginning a full-scale invasion of requests to start entrepreneurial activities from ukrainians in poland is already over 41 thousand. in... in the second half of 2023 , about 4 thousand business activities were registered every month. in the first half of the year, there were 2,000 registrations every month, so we have a jump during the year almost twice. it makes an impression. every tenth company in poland is opened by ukrainians - says the expert. in addition to the fact that our fellow citizens are actively engaged in business, they also create jobs. ukrainians here not only earn, but also spend a lot, in particular renting and buying. housing, as a result of income to the polish budget more and more are increasing in 2022, from the taxes and

contributions of the social insurance institution to the budget, of course, i mean the citizens of ukraine, 4 billion zlotys went to the budget of poland, this is significant. if we talk about the year 2023, then it is already 5.5 billion zlotys, we have growth here as well. there are also changes in the spheres of activity of ukrainians in poland. traditionally , our citizens actively work in the fields of construction, logistics, transport, trade, however, due to the fact that there are now many women from ukraine on the polish labor market, there is an active development of entrepreneurial activity in the field of beauty and health, gastronomy, cooking, hotel business, ukrainians are also opening translation companies and the number of it-companies is growing. there were much more of them than usual, which is not surprising. because ukraine has a huge potential in this field and highly qualified specialists. interesting dynamics are observed

in the field of employment. ukrainians who arrived after the start of the full-scale invasion are less and less willing to work below their skill level, as was the case at the beginning of the great war. it can be seen here there remain people who have already made an internal decision for themselves to stay for a while. and they want to work according to their education, according to their profession , that is, for me, these are positive changes, because, well, this is a bit of a blurring of myths that... ukrainians are not just a workforce, but we also show our competences, knowledge, skills to a slightly different market. polish international companies are increasingly noticing that there are many highly qualified professionals among ukrainians. you can come calmly, show your competences, skills, and not very much appeals

someone pay attention, who are you by nationality. if you are a good, competent worker, great, you have... many roads are open to start working in polish companies, it is enough for ukrainians to know the language at the b1, b2 level, says the specialist, in general, numerous studies show that the polish labor market needs workers, and employers are interested in ukrainians. maria chernyakhivska, ihor antoniuk, for the espresso tv channel from warsaw. yes, our program continues and will continue for about 14 more minutes, and we will talk during those 14 minutes. vasyl voskoboynyk, the president of the all-ukrainian association of international employment companies east west walk is the name of this company, which is short for east-west work. good health, mr. vasyl, thank you for finding time for us, as they say in soviet films, change brings sadness to doubt. i am fully convinced

that not only those working in poland, germany, and holland. in portugal, who have been working for decades, will return, and they will also take poles, germans, dutch and portuguese with them, because if the truth is, and i i think it is true, at least there is a high probability that many different countries and companies in these countries will contribute to the recovery of ukraine, which means that money will come here, and if money comes to ukraine, recovery, we can say warsaw. we can say prague, the early 90s, when thousands of ordinary americans, englishmen went to prague, warsaw, to the baltic countries, because the development, the transition to a capitalist socialist economy, leads to the fact that money appears, and when there is money, people want to work there, where they are well paid, that is, i think that it will

not be the case that they will return, those who left will also take with them those who are europeans, what do you say to... this is mr. vasyl, mr. mykola, good evening, thank you for the invitation to this broadcast, but what can i say, i am also worried about these doubts, whether it will actually happen like this, because on the one hand, i am sure that after our victory , a large amount of money will really flow into ukraine for reconstruction, but the questions that are here there will be wages, because work is self- explanatory, as they say, but the most important thing is how much for this... pay money money, will we pay the same wages, for example, that ordinary handymen will receive in germany, i draw your attention that the minimum wage, as of now in germany, is $1800, and the minimum wages as of today in ukraine are only $180. is it possible for us to imagine that after

our victory the level of wages in our country will increase by at least 10 times the minimum, i am not sure of this, and that is why i have very big doubts about whether there will be mass return to ukraine of those people who, for example, who were discussed in the previous story, precisely those ukrainians who found a job in poland or germany, or found a job somewhere in great britain and receive a salary there 5-6, because for some reason you started with a salary, and i always liked to start with work, but when our roads are like german ones, believe me, and the salary will be 10 times more,

our houses, our hospitals, our factories, our schools. our universities will be like german universities, english, sorbonne in france and so on and the like, and space and we will fly into space and science will then develop, then everything will be, i really do not like the words that we are not paid enough, we are paid exactly as much as we deserve , if the road is built in two years, it is already destroyed, it is not worth paying at all, well, we pay, we will not do anything. and it is everywhere, it is total, look at ukraine and look at the same holland, when everything is cleaned, clean, beautiful and so on. yes. they are paid now money, but 20 years ago they were paid less, and 40 years even less, in general, holland appeared in the swamps, just a solid swamp, so first we work, then we earn, no

different. mr. mykola, i really like that we really have such a pleasant dialogue, when we can even argue a little. when you say that in ukraine there are exactly those wages that we can earn, and something like that there cannot be high wages in ukraine. boards, i draw your attention, for example, to such a branch of the economy as industry, we have approximately 350 employees here 00 people, i think that the average salary there is somewhere between 1.5-200 dollars per month, and an average specialist of an average level can count on a salary of 4-5 thousand dollars per month here in ukraine, so let's say, the average salary for the countries of europe, so there is little need to talk about the fact that in ukraine wages are too low, in all sectors, no, but if we introduce language specifically about the fact that after the end of hostilities we will have

first of all, the most common ones are in demand blue commerce, that is, people who will work with their hands, who will work on reconstruction, who will work on construction, there will not be such wages as in europe, they will not be here. to pay the same wages as, for example, a construction worker, who receives approximately 2-2 € in germany, it is simply physically impossible here, we will not pay the same wages, for example, for teachers, who are first year, first year and a half year, then everything will be fine, money will be found, if i want, i think so, i i am not a businessman, i have such an imagination. "if i need a high-quality house, then i will find money to build it, high-quality, well , high-quality workers, i can first

attract turks, i just have a friend, he attracted dutch people from holland to repair his apartment, he says, the money is the same, but the dutch will not have the idea to steal something, not to nail something at the corner of a post. the first year there may be nothing like that, and everyone will be, as the former prime minister of ukraine said, screaming and shouting, that we are here, oh, we are not paid, for the second year a person will see, look, and he works well , he is paid, you know, it is definitely not total, i also know the doctors well, i know boris tadurov well, i think, for example, after these... scandals around him, he said, and why is he paid so little, when they told me that he has a house of 600 m2, i say, a doctor who treats and performs better

operations should build a house of 6000 m2, not 600, and we are already shouting, how is this, how is it possible to be, that he has such a big house, that's why there will be such scandals, and such scandals, there will be various scandals and so so on and so on, so i think, mykola, i'd be happy... i want to move a year after the hostilities end to the country you've just drawn, and which i 'm sure i've heard about , our tv viewers heard, but we will be in a situation today, even according to the estimates of the government and international organizations such as the international organization for migration or the international labor organization, after the end of hostilities, we will find ourselves in a situation where we will need additional... from 4, 6 to 8.2 million workers compared to in 2021, almost 30%

of our economy has been destroyed, we will need to rebuild a huge part of our country, we did not have enough labor movement even before the war, after the end of hostilities, when every second person from europe will not return, after the opening of the borders, more will leave ukraine additional n million ukrainians, we will find ourselves in a situation: when we will be given money, but physically no one will work, and it will not be about money, believe me, there is not enough labor movement in europe, there is not enough qualified workers in the world, the main asset of any - which country are you in? in the world there is qualified personnel, and there is a constant competitive struggle for them, and here we are entering this competitive struggle right now, and the most important thing is that our government... the verkhovna rada, the president's office, are constantly thinking and are already starting to take steps for solving three main issues. the first issue is to create the conditions for

ukrainians to return to ukraine after... the second issue is to do everything to reduce the volume of labor migration from ukraine, and the third is to work on attracting blue-collar businessmen and talented people from foreign countries to ukraine. foreigners who will be able to help us rebuild our country. these are very serious issues that need to be resolved now. i agree, but i'm not as pessimistic as you. undoubtedly, maybe i will add at least a little optimism during the war to people who are watching, you know, here the question is in this , so to speak, general culture, i would like to involve you in this part of the discussion , because i live in lviv, quite a good service here, but you know, money, anything, won't add anything to a driver like me i once met him in the first year of his stay in

lviv, when he was really fashionable here. to stop not where i ordered you, but 50 or 100 meters, i go in and say: why did you stop here? and you, pregnant, couldn't come? here is money, not money, here is anything, there is such a thing, and also sometimes you will go to a cafe, a restaurant, in the neighboring ones, everything is perfect, beautiful people, better than in the west end in london, and you will come here. you go to the store , if the prices are a little higher there, but they look at you, that you are here, but it is not for you, it is for those who go to swarovski, well, not me i go to swarovski, that's why they probably look at me like this is not for you, go buy your jeans at the bazaar, in short, so you can't do anything here, that's it and it was the same 20 years later, i think, in there were such people in poland and estonia, but now go to poland, the czech republic, estonia... smile,

i can hardly imagine, even in kyiv, that someone would tell me that you, pregnant, could not come, 50 m, it's called competition, it's called , those who focus on their customers as much as possible will survive in reality, it's, well, let's say so, a relic of the distant past, and that's why i'm sure that in reality the country will change, it will change for the better , but the most important thing for us today is to really... have a victory and have it as soon as possible, and then we can really undertake the reconstruction of the country, we will be able to really build the country in which we all want to live. yes, they are certainly pleasant words, at the end you said they were optimistic, but that is the biggest mystery, the mystery that ukrainians, some ukrainians want victory and a post-war life like this for them, but for others this, and others see it that way, so it will never be

the same. stability, maybe that's good, maybe that's why we're fighting a good fight with the russians, where there was always unanimity, in ukraine there was never this unanimity, there was pluralism, pluralism, it seems to me that this is a great victory for any democracy in general. thank you very much, vasyl voskoboynyk, the president of the all-ukrainian association of international employment companies, has caught up with us in such gloom, but you and i do not believe in gloom, we believe that all ukrainians will return. we will also invite some europeans, and there won't be enough europeans , let's train some africans and asians, and they will all work for ukraine, which actually is a beautiful, beautiful future, because for very long years and centuries ukrainians worked for their uncle, it is worth it for ukrainians to work for themselves and maybe attract some foreigners to also work for you and me. with that, i say goodbye to you, but i leave you in the very

pleasant company of iryna koval, who... will definitely tell you the latest news prepared by the "espresso tv" news service. good bye. it's 8 p.m. in ukraine and to your attention is a news release on the espresso tv channel. in the studio of iryna koval. greetings to all viewers. the analysis of debris at the sites of russian strikes in the pokrovsky district of donetsk region continues. today, rescuers recovered the bodies of three people, including a three-year-old child. previously , 11 people died, including five children. however , the final number of victims will be confirmed by the examination. policeman.