[000:00:00;00] that a strategic decision has been made to destroy hamas, and until this strategic decision is reached, no one will stop, this is a strategic decision, this is a consensus decision, essentially by europe and the united states of america, well, and accordingly by israel, and this is, on the one hand , a problem that prolongs the conflict and creates new grounds for israel's accusations, and on the other hand, it is impossible to retreat, because all the plans that are now built. as of now, they all proceed from the concept that hamas is not in the gas sector. but there is such a thing here simple question, what is really the matter with hamas , if we talk about the gas sector, if the population of the gas sector is holding hostages in their families, as we now know, these are not hamasites at all, they are ordinary people, if the so-called seasonal workers of the gas sector participated in the destruction of israeli citizens, they are not members

of hamas, if the population... of gas voted for hamas in the parliamentary elections, well, you destroyed the organization, you destroyed 10 members of the politburo, but the people remained, by the way, you can talk about russia like that say you know there are no political bureaus of the cpsu, but the people have remained , yes, there is such a problem, well, the problem exists, but the problem must be solved comprehensively, that is, the reason not for hatred disappears, the hatred itself disappears, because if the occupation continues, the actions of the same... settlers on the west bank will continue , arrests, murders and so on, that is, everything that we see that can be read in israeli newspapers, it is not necessary to read palestinian or any other arabic there, and i think that after a certain time the situation will change, but for this it is necessary simply comprehensive solution, without this comprehensive solution, any radical group that will challenge israel once again will be

supported with if we talk about how the political situation in israel itself may develop in principle, after the war, how much chance does netanyahu have to preserve power, as you think, the question is not very with very large variables, that is, it depends on what will be the final decision of the pog. will the right-wing ministers agree with this decision, will the americans force the israelis to return to the concept of a stay solution, or the opposition will add and create this commission to investigate the situation, why did it happen

on october 7, is netanyahu ready to take it upon himself? further, as of now, i am not ready, and whether some new political forces will emerge, whether some new political leader will emerge, is also not yet visible, but there are a lot of such moments, and - how will even the judicial reform unfold, we we know that there are many overturns here, but the supreme court of israel overrules several very important ones. amendments, yes, or at least questions, cancels, by in essence, and this is also a question, and the supreme court can cancel these amendments, but in israel they also cannot, they cannot resolve even this issue, whether the supreme court can do it or not, it is some kind of political clinch in this country of interpretation, so that there is no constitution, and many many accuse him of taking on more powers, but so far no one can, there is no constitutional court,

that is, there is no ... here, which could ask quite fair questions about the quality of the political decision of conformity its there to the laws of israel and generally to some other convention, and that is why it so happened that the supreme court assumed these powers, now it is accused of usurpation of power, but the other option is also usurpation, right? that is , there really is a clinch here, but i don't see a way out of this either, but this is a story that will continue, because it will seriously divide society in the future. if we look to the future, we talk a lot about the fact that the election of donald trump as president will change the situation in the russian-ukrainian conflict, on near east trump was known for his support of israel, it was the linchpin of his

foreign policy, but now. he hates netanyahu, speaks only badly of him, and this also raises questions. well, i think that all these emotions that we're hearing from trump, they're in a big way. the situation of the united states of america itself and the troubles that are falling on his head, and therefore he can say anything in his heart, including what he said, in fact, if we talk about the narrow cabinet, the narrow team of trump, there is no doubt that there are people there who actively support israel, israeli politics, well at least... the orientation of other right-wing parties in israel towards trump is more obvious than there, relatively speaking, towards democracy, and the arab world has an understanding of what this might

mean there in 2024 year is the last year if the republicans will win of course when they can find some kind of balance between israel and palestinian aspirations. i think they read this information a little differently, that is, they do not consider it with about the fact that the americans can do something there, well, create some kind of balance and somehow achieve results, they do not believe in the efforts of the americans, neither the biden administration, nor the trump administration, and they rather see this situation as one that can plunge... america into the internal conflict is long-lasting, and this will divert america's attention from the middle east, and then the arabs, with the help of their allies, can act more actively, that is

, they seem to consider the situation a little differently here, if you look at the situation in the red sea now, they talked about the fact that a real operation against... but we don't see any of its results , shipping in the red sea is still under threat, how in principle states, such as even the united states, are capable of any serious actions against such paramilitary formations, which it is not possible to completely find where they are and where they are not, because saudi arabia was actually forced to negotiate with them after several months of exhausting company, are the americans not waiting for the same participation in well the americans want avoid it, vitaly is right. by the fact that they are perfectly aware of this, and they forced on a large scale, or demanded from saudi arabia to start negotiations with the sussite, and here at the same time it is almost like looking for

a needle in a hundred haystacks of sinai, this is also a problem for the americans, and and on the other hand, you cannot, of course, allow such piratical actions and such... to leave this whole situation without orders, and therefore it will be, as the american administration likes to do now, somewhere in the middle, and on the one hand, the negotiations will not stop, and they will try to convince the houthis to stop these actions, and on the other hand, frankly brazen actions will be punished, but really overthrown... the houthis, well, it is practically impossible, for this it is necessary to organize not just a ground operation, but an exhausting war, without absolutely also in a very unacceptable

conditions in these mountains, with partisan units, well, they have already survived afghanistan, why, as they say, once again get into the same halep? well, on the other hand, the shipbuilding industry needs one thing. the channel and everyone lamented, my god, horror, the economy is dying, it's easy now the red sea is not working, and nobody is particularly worried about anything, no, no, they are worried, and it seems that egypt is worried more than everyone else, because egypt suffers from this more than anyone else, and you can imagine that this coalition during which... time, well, of course, not quickly, but within some time, a month and a half or two, they will take control of this situation, and ah, at least the escorting of cargoes and cargoes and ships through the red sea

will be safe. another thing is that all this is very expensive, who will pay for it? who is for that? will everything pay? this is the same question, it is also relevant, you americans still have not adopted the budget. so far, everything has been suspended both as aid to ukraine and israel, and in general simply funding the armed forces of the united states of america, that is, there are very... many questions here, and it is obvious that this is a prolongation, so to speak, of some decisive actions, not least of all connected with the fact that there is simply no money. well, in principle, how much is this whole situation changing, because when the war in the middle east began in october, many believed that this was a successful, i would say, such the argument that the provost makes. president biden that ukraine and israel are one,

that hamas and russia are such an axis of evil that this will affect the republicans, that if they want to help israel, they will also help ukraine, and they, as a result, in order not to to help ukraine, they do not help israel, nothing happens to them , all of them should be interested in their voters, this is such a position, so what, well, yes, it is obvious that the calculation was not complete, well, correct, yes, but here the same. the issue is that everything rests on internal political battles, borders and many other things, so the biden administration will have to negotiate with the republicans, or at least with a significant part of the republicans, who have at least in writing already laid out their plan, their understanding of the situation, so in this case the republicans are waiting and the democrats are waiting for serious negotiations, it is quite possible that they have already been carried out, and this letter is only, so to speak

, a statement of the fact that we agree on such conditions, but yes, well, at that moment it seemed that the republicans were trembling and will vote, well, as we have seen, the democrats' vote for the resignation of the leader, kyiv's makartia, was actually wrong and wrong, you mean, of course, yes, that is, in this case it was a certain wrong decision, which entailed a whole series of other decisions, which led to this situation, in principle, now, if we talk about relations between russia and iran, to what extent can it be considered that this is already such a formalized alliance message, or is it just such a relationship, as long as there is mutual benefit, because russia together with this we see, the arab emirates, recognizes there

their rights to the islands that iran considers theirs, how much in principle moscow and takaran need each other, well, when nazi germany and the soviet union signed the molotov-ribbentrop pact, few people knew about it, yes, but this is exactly the pact witnessed the union between these two totalitarian countries, we do not know. what documents, exactly, what secret protocols were signed between these two countries, it is quite possible that there are no such protocols, maybe there are, but in any case, now these two countries see themselves, well as those who need each other, and accordingly the rapprochement continues, and it already acquires the character of a strategic, strategic alliance, and you can understand... the nature of those explosions that took place at the grave of general

qassem suleimani on the next anniversary of his liquidation, what was it at all ? well, they say isis, at least they claim it , but it's possible isis, well, why do they love the iranians and qassem soleimani, who killed a lot of their comrades, so i assume that it's isis, well, of course, the version that it is was organized. some mujahideen of the iranian people also cannot be ruled out, please explain to the viewer that isis is an islamic state, a terrorist organization of the islamic state, that is, they mean that in iran, i would say, there are so many complex security problems and that it is possible to organize such a terrorist act in a city where high-ranking people are present representatives of the regime, good question, well, obviously yes. because you remember when, in principle, in the early years

of the formation of the islamic republic, we were not surprised when the president, the prime minister countries died during a terrorist act organized by the radical opposition, but then everyone understood that the country was young, there were no serious special services, then there was not even an islamic guards corps, a guards corps, an islamic revolution guards corps, there was none of that, and now everything is , and explosions also happen, everything is there, but... well, they have already overgrown with a stick, they have overgrown with a stick the guard corps of the islamic revolution, that is, they have their own business, they have their own money, their own life, so why should they spend... take resources where you can save them, and including at such moments, when it seems that everything is under control, when the country has been rolled into the asphalt, then sooner or later there are chances that there will be a few people, as

the terrorists of the islamic state claim , these are a few suicide bombers who , for one reason or another, will do it, well... any country, even with a total counter-intelligence regime, with a very strict repressive apparatus barks quite calmly, but tell me, after october of last year, russia was called one of the main beneficiaries of the conflict on in the middle east, she is still getting some dividends, is this all a done deal, no , so far she has not...lost, i would say maybe that, as for the beneficiaries, it is hard to say now, because well, the scenario that was painted then , where a global conflict or a large regional conflict could actually start

, and where russia could really be involved in the sense of receiving dividends, it did not happen, but... the americans continue to keep their finger on the pulse, let them work like a fire brigade , and american arabs not so much either strongly, at least now they rely on russia, although, although putin's last visits there to the united arab emirates of saudi arabia, they at least showed that they want to put dust in putin's eyes. nevertheless, nevertheless, they continue to actively win in the middle east, and this is evidenced, in particular, by the fact that the israelis practically do not react in any way to moscow's anti-semitism attacks, or , say, to the escapades that

russian politicians allow themselves. and tell me, in principle, it can be assumed that israel has already started talking about it to say that russia could have been involved even in, if not... not the devastation of october 7, then at least in inciting hamas to what kind of radical actions? well, so far i have heard these words only from a limited number of israeli politicians, and some experts, and i have not heard a single word or even any similar hints from representatives of the ministry of foreign affairs in israel or, let's say, from active representatives of the government, yes, that is, such rumors. such versions are put forward, but they do not seem to be basic in israeli politics and are considered in passing, well, could it even be like this, how much could russia want such a development of events? yes, she wanted, without a doubt, she wanted such a development of events, but

no matter how strong the storm is, yes, that is, in this sense, they are, they are completely all actions. which undermine american capabilities, they are considered expedient, but what does it mean that the israelis do not really want to talk about it, putin is showing it to them so to speak demonstratively, well , when representatives of the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation meet in russia the federation, the ministry of foreign affairs of iran and the hamas politburo, what more needs to be said, well, that is, it is not some kind of conspiracy between us and you, what we are saying, but we know that they communicate in secret. apartments came to yasenevo, there are some militants there, no , they are just actually taking pictures , they are published in official sources, the three of us met, we discussed everything, well , i think that this is such a natural mistrust

of israelis in general towards the outside world, and so on such an idea is rooted that there are only enemies around except... united the united states, but in this case it is not a certainty that the americans will be with them until the end, and therefore they try to sit on several partners at the same time. and you admit that the attitude of the united states towards israel can really change, well, in the context of, say, those pro-palestinian actions that we unexpectedly saw there in american universities and on the streets of american cities after october 7. well, there 's a lot to like here. depend on the progress of the proceedings in the international court of the un, because even if a decision is made. the previous one about the need to stop the gas war, yes, that is, it is one of the demands that south africa makes, and if israel does not

agree to this, then the pressure on israel will increase, there may be problems with boycotts of israel, with political demarches, this is a serious danger , and the americans won't help here, that's what the problem is, well, to a certain extent. there are, of course, judges from the united states of america, but there are judges from russia, so this is also important for them, obviously, they can influence, i think, judges can hardly be influenced, but sometimes they write that judges sometimes adhere to the position of the country from which they come, well, on the other hand, i mean not even the legal ones. public opinion, well, when we could still see a situation where an influential american senator, such as bernie sanders, is now saying that there is no

need to allocate aid to israel, although sanders was one of those american politicians who strongly condemned hamas, well, that the situation in which, the fork in which israel got into, it is a trap, we are great, it is us vitaliy and you have already talked about this many times, i.e. mm... it is impossible not to destroy hamas and it is impossible to destroy it and it cannot be destroyed yes and the destruction is accompanied by mass casualties and bombardment that is the situation we got into and why before the military was categorically opposed to some military operations everything that is yes that there is a problem but force majeure on october 7 they. changed the schedules, but for a certain time, when everyone was ready to support israel, now such people are becoming

fewer and fewer, given the fact that the cadres of the victims of hamas on october 7 were replaced by various the cadres of the israeli victims are different in the gas sector, that is, well, this is what the hamas politburo predicted, it already wanted to expose these people as such a human shield and that they. killed the most, yes, absolutely true , i completely agree with that, but this is a strategy that will be necessary, which was known, it is not news either, well, on the other hand, again, you are right when you say that there was no choice now the israel defense forces, because after october 7 to say, you know, we're not going to do anything, because there will be big casualties among the civilian population, it means admitting one's own helplessness in such a situation, then let them come again, cut us , shoot us with rockets... what can't you do, yes, it's a trap, it's a trap in which, well, everyone has fallen, and it's for us too also very bad news

, because the world, especially the global south, is primarily concerned with the war in gas, not the war in ukraine, and we are also accused of not supporting gas there, not showing solidarity with beaten children and many other things, i.e. this is also a problem that exists, and on her too should not be closed. by the way, this is a question that many ukrainians ask with surprise, why is the world now more interested in this war in the middle east, although the scale is not comparable to the war in ukraine, yes, but i think that because of two reasons : the first reason is that this war is understandable, and there is colonialism, colonizers, local population, struggle, national-liberated struggle and... all other postulates that are in principle known, understandable for this part of the world, and

the second point, too, part of this part the world does not really understand what russia is, associates russia to a certain extent with the soviet union, and if it does... lives for the fact that there is no soviet union that could give them large funds for free, and they would stole and built socialism from themselves, but all these circumstances, without a doubt, also have a place, yes, of course, cadres from ukraine, well , they do not give them such opportunities to avoid a reaction at all, but let's see: south africa files a lawsuit for genocide against israel, but south africa, as

it reacted to the war in ukraine, well, for the better case wanted to offer oneself as a mediator, yes, yes, the presidents went to vladimir putin, met with him, called him the best leader of our time, that's the difference in approaches, how it works, and , by the way, we also said that we have to conquer positions in the global south , everything should be explained to them, well, the hamasites do not explain anything to them, they themselves are ready, so to speak, without any explanations, yes, yes, yes, without a doubt, they themselves are ready to accept the versions that are more convenient for them, yes, and this the mega-narrative that exists and... it is almost impossible to overcome now a anti-colonialism, imperialism, anti -americanism and td and tp, that is, these are such things that are simply rooted in their modern political culture, so it is very difficult to do something about it, and i basically take my hat off to ukrainian diplomats who, even in such conditions, are trying to do something do. thank you,

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