and on this channel there is a studio that belongs to the ukrainian president, and he jokes for our money in such a way that it outrages a normal part of ukrainian society, that is, it is completely inappropriate, here i am now, well, not only now, i have been following the most successful for 20 years , in my opinion, a satirical project in the world today, this is the israeli project eret, this is a wonderful country, so what are they doing now, here it is three months after the beginning of this... hamas attack, all of them, before the main object of their satires buvannagu, is there dinah rosenblum, well, from the star of show business, politics, and today, well, their latest sketches, which are gaining millions of views on youtube, are dedicated to highlighting the financial basis of hamas's activities, how they become multi-billionaires. the khamatsov

leader is very much there, this is really a real high-quality joke, a high-quality satire, they make fun of the so-called independence of these commentators of the united nations organization, highlight , well, the so-called policy of non-engagement in bbc news coverage, that is, wonderful, bright, which, again, are aimed at influencing. a foreign audience, well , and their audience, a foreign audience in order to, well , in this way support the israeli state with information, and what is the 95th quarter doing, where are their creative creations that would help ukraine today, well, to draw attention to the ukrainian-russian war , they again joke about these so-called household topics, someone gave me the statistics of this diesel show that you mentioned, yes? there

, 90% of all jokes are exclusively about everyday topics, i.e., i often mention the phrase, because that it is such an enormity to realize that the people on whose territory, on whose land the most outstanding satirists and humorists of the 20th century were born, have developed such humor. to the kind of laughter that is presented on the stage today, is it the 95th quarter, or is it a diesel show, that 90% of them are about alcoholics, well, how can you waste time, in an hour that is so crucial for the fate of this country of ours , again, state funds, if they were simply funds from pinchuk's pocket, or from kolomoiskyi's pocket, well , hey, the greek, but in our case, it's people, who have... the most expensive, let's say

real estate in the same london, there pinchuk could sell a tenth of his palace in belgravia and ensure the financing of his tv channels there for 3-4 years, but for some reason this money is used from our pockets today on the financing of those shameful projects, perhaps because the actual demand for such humor in the broad masses still remains and... we can see this from the television ratings, in particular of these humorous projects, although, of course, when we talk about the skadovsky case in 1995 quarter, i am personally pleased that at least a certain bubble of ukrainian society reacted to this, it means that there is some awareness of the collective nature of our traumas, unlike there literally 15-20 years ago, and all these jokes about signor holodomor, and we thank you very much for joining our broadcast with an analysis... uh

, one more point, that is, really, this humor, it is directed at the most despicable tastes of society, but if it was a private matter, well, god with him, but this is for ours, for our money, i always tell this well-known parable about how socrates led his students on the way to the acropolis and met there the famous hythera of athens and she said: to him: all your efforts are in vain, all your efforts, philosophers, it is enough for me to raise the hem of your dress and all your students will follow me, so said socrates: but you lead them down, and i lead them up, that is, the task of the state is to lead society up, and not to descend to the most shameful, the lowest level of humor, in which these diesels represent and the 95th quarter, thank you, dmytro chikalkin, diplomat, translator, tv presenter and blogger, was in touch with us. time to take a short break and the second

part of saturday's political club, as always, a frank conversation with vitaly portnikov. don't switch. vasyl winter's big broadcast. this is a large ether. my name is vasyl zemaye, we are starting two hours of air time , two hours of your time, we will discuss many important topics today, two hours to learn about the war, right now we will talk more about the war, serhii zgurets is with us, and how he lives the world, now about what in happened to the world , yuriy fizar will speak in more detail, yuriy good evening, please, you have the floor, two hours to keep up with economic news, time to talk about money during the war, oleksandr morchivka with us, oleksandr, congratulations, be laska, and sports news, a review of sports events from yevhen pastukhov, two hours in the company. beloved presenters, thank you very much to elina chechenii for information about cultural news, presenters who have become familiar to many, movridnidenko is already ready to tell us about the weather on the day of the coming day, as well as distinguished guests of the studio, andriy parubiy, a people's deputy of ukraine, was also the chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. the events of the day in

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and vitaly portnikov, and smoothly move on to the actual discussion of the previous and other topics. mr. vitaly, the reaction of ukrainian society is really active, at least active. parts of ukrainian society for new year's humor, but according to my observations , the 95th quarter was followed a little more more thoroughly than for the diesel show, well, obviously , yes, this is only against the background of quarter 95, the diesel show has become so, i would say, also in demand from the point of view of those who do not accept jokes of this type now, although i repeat again, such jokes there's been a lot on our screen over the decade, here... you just have to figure out what really happened, i think it's not just war. do you understand what the matter is? it seems to me in general, if we talk seriously about this whole story, that is why i asked mr. chikalkin several times why in france or in italy on such things are watched completely calmly, ugh,

and with us it always caused a part of the audience, and now a large part of the audience has such a reluctance, and you know, i have become convinced over the years... and from my own life experience that humor is a very national thing , ugh, like folklore, like folk songs, you see, we can watch some performances of british and american comedians, we don't understand at all why, why people laugh, i'll tell you honestly that i've never understood why you have to laugh at ukrainian jokes, i can imitate laughter, because i know where to laugh, but to me... it's not funny, i just don't want to convert people, and that's exactly how i don't tell my ukrainian people from jewish jokes, not about jews, but jewish ones, which jews tell alone one, because from the point of view of a person outside the jewish environment, it does not even look like an anecdote , it is a parable, ugh, some kind of complicated parable, which

a person who is ukrainian or polish or french, if he reads it in a book, he perceives it as literary the work is like that, well , well. well, it's interesting how it all turned out, and the jews don't want to, they find it funny, because they have different, i would say, ideas about what is funny and what is not funny. now let's look at our humor: our humor generally takes its origins, if you will, from soviet humor, what was soviet humor? soviet humor could not be national, everything that was national in soviet bolshevik humor. were destroyed in each individual republic, including russia, overchenko, zoshchenko, all these were such russian humorists who were simply destroyed so much, one was expelled, the other was harassed, so that they simply could, those who remained wrote sterile things, and people

did not laugh at these sterile things, it is not funny, as a result already in the years of my childhood on the soviet scene... there remained almost exclusively humorists of jewish or armenian origin. raikin, uhu, zhvanetsky, kartsev, uhu, khazanov, later petrosyan, this is not some, this is not, no, no, not some attempt to say that only jews can joke, it's just that in those conditions it turned out that only people of jewish origin can joke so that the superiors do not was offended, and people found it funny, because the jews were used to this type of humor, they somehow survived all the time and said that on the one hand you... laugh, and on the other hand there is nothing to complain about, and that, they complained, everyone had heart attacks, party verdicts, theaters

were closed, but they somehow survived in these conditions, and it was funny to us, because we understood that they were not about this, but about this, in general, i think that if you look now on raikin, we will realize that this is generally the art of pantomime, ugh, there was an important no the text, and a person, as he looked, and a person looked into the hall with his eyes, people looked at him. and understood what he really wanted to tell them, but the secretary of the party committee, who was sitting in the first row, could pretend that he did not understand it, that he did not see it, and everyone was more or less comfortable until the second or third heart attack reken, that's about it, that was the humor, what is a club of cheerful and clever people? it's such an illegitimate child of this humor, because it was clear that young people don't understand it anymore, it was humor... of the older generation, and when a thaw has already begun, this is more or less the way life is, they decided that it was necessary for young people

to joke, but then they banned it, because it turned out that joking young people is too much, they may not understand properly, yes, they ca n't so to look with her eyes, she needs to say something so that there is a scene, and it was restored during the reconstruction, renewed during the translation, we also all watched it, it is also a surprisingly strange phenomenon that the leading company... these teams of this new club, cheerful and smart, cheerful and colorful were the ukrainian teams of odesa from my hometown university in dnipro, because i still saw how it was created, it was still a former student theater of youth, and these are all my fellow students and peers, to a certain extent, some are the same age, some are classmates, some are acquaintances, and... a little later, this is a crooked corner, ugh

, the question arises, why the odesa and dnipropetrovsk teams were so popular at that time, they were a continuation of this soviet humor, but in such a youth form, and yet, one way or another, for us, this club of cheerful and energetic people ended with the soviet union , but soviet humor died altogether and kvk remained on the stage. but in such a theatrical form, what these people do, those who want to stay in business, and soviet humor, and the club of merry men and mayors was primarily for the russian audience, not just more people, if it is business, then tickets will be bought more in moscow than in kyiv, huh, so those who can also start counting on the audience. russian, what is the russian audience laughing at? she already laughed at the jews, that's all, not the ukrainians, that's it

all these, you know, techniques that were used, that you have to say something in foreign languages, so to speak , they are no longer interesting, because you can already laugh directly, you no longer need to go through this censorship, and you understand, you can laugh at ukrainians, odesa gentleman show or the kvk theater in... dnipro, it's not so interesting anymore, because livinzon or chepurnyak, well, again, it's not that i want to offend anyone, it's just reality, they can't look stupid , i apologize, well, they are not you, not even filimonov, ugh, well, he is all the time played because he is an odesa comedian, he played an odesaite, but the russians already laughed at odesaites, they already had zhvanetski, they already had kak, they already wanted simpler and more understandable humor. and it must be said that quarter 95 gave them this humor and became

extremely popular in russia, and there was also a platform for this, because they were the only ukrainian duo that got on the big soviet stage, there were a lot of comedians in ukraine, glozovy, owl, that's all it began and also ended here, tymoshenko and birch, tarapunka and shtepsel, listen tarapunka, tymoshenko in general. but he had to play the role of the poor ukrainian ukrainian berezin as best he could, because he too, he was not russian, also played the role as best he could. a russian, but it is also interesting that such a character was needed, because a real russian could not lower himself to this, it was necessary for berezin to play the role of an older brother, without being an older brother, that is, it was all essentially scripted in this duo, where there are two outstanding comedians, maybe the best on

the ukrainian scene, in general, for all time the existence of our variety show, were forced to play such a role that the moscow public would like... to speak gibberish, to pretend that people speak like that, one in russian, and the other somehow in ukrainian, but for a russian to understand him, we are all this then we will see in, i would say in an amateur form in the quarter of 95 , and the russian audience will be delighted, and the russian audience will be delighted with the ukrainian, who has always addressed, as a model, to russian audiences, if moscow likes it, and it also ours, then we should like it even more, and thus all these scenes about poor ukrainians, about a stupid khokhlo, ugh, why, they moved from russia to ukraine, but where we

are with you now, we are with you in 2020. 24 year, when there is no russian audience in quarter 95, dzelensky is an enemy of the people, all the scenes with his participation from russian satirical programs that used to be there, if they show anything, are cut out, like other quarters, and the comic strips themselves, they continue to be written like this, as if they are for ukrainian, for russian audience, that is, so that we don't laugh at ourselves. and this is the problem, this is what i wanted to achieve from dmytro, and for them to laugh at us, that is why we are so acute and perceive it, it means that ukrainian show business is now moving by inertia, by inertia, because it was show business, so calculated for russian destiny, it was first russian-speaking, we are hearing it for the first time, we are hearing it, they

are speaking for the first time in many years, they started speaking ukrainian, and what did it look like before, the ukrainian language?

it will not be possible to show it on the russian market after 2014. there, do you remember what it was like, what the hysteria was, that it would be necessary to shoot films in ukrainian, and how they are shown in moscow, you understand, the point is, sometimes it seems to me, i don't want to think like that, that some of our outstanding masters of culture so wanted in 2019 to agree with vladimir vladimirovich putin on peace, friendship and chewing gum. to be able to show your product in russia, to return to this beautiful market, because they could just sit down, look at the business plan and understand that their wonderful studios will go bankrupt, because there is no such profit in this ukraine, ugh, and they did not understand what to show its viewers, and therefore, if this government, the ukrainian one cannot come to an agreement, and

she herself profits from the war, instead of people watching beautiful, good... all series together, then let us come to power and agree and let our films and skits be shown, it could be such a naive childish thing, i would said such a naive child's worldview, especially people who for years e were in moscow, more than in kyiv, in russian show business, and what is russian show business, this is again how russian show business differs from russian russian politics. i will simply tell you this, as a person who communicated with those, with those, by the way, there will be a question about trends in russian show business, that is, i had friends among russian performers. they cannot take off their shirts, and because the weight is not the same, and because the attention from society is not the same, and

among politicians, he had many acquaintances and of course, i saw that russian politicians always looked at ukraine as a territory that they should conquer, and russian artists always looked at ukraine as a market, well , just a market, they didn't want us there... and it was absolutely it didn't matter if we were an independent state or not, they needed them to come here and for the audience to perceive them as their own, and they perceived ukraine as just another playground for the time, well, you remember, until 2014 year, if you turn on the radio in ukraine, it was such a lie that you are in bryansk, in kursk, not in moscow, because it was not a moscow-level radio, but bryansk or kursk or yaroslav.

that it turned into a crazy meme at the beginning of a large-scale invasion, when ukrainians started joking about what will happen, when, what will happen to russian show business, when the zsu, you are my

ukraine, you are forever one , it was somehow difficult to find in the circle, i said the pronunciation , accent, ukrainian, no, seriously, you understand, and this and, but these people all lived together in one, until a certain moment. see how the 14th a year changed everything, even the 19th, even the 22nd , more, much more, zelensky ended up in the chair of the president of ukraine, for him all these people have now become enemies, and these people simply wish him death, these people who lived with him, pugacheva and galkin and there, i do n't know, makarevich and slipakov, they all went to israel there, and there they make fun of their former friends, because they say, what are you, how are you behaving, and kirkorov? "oh, sitting in a guy's pose, and apologizing for doing what he's always done, from 18 to 5.6,

never dressed up for a single party, ugh, and now, when he is no longer a young man, he apologizes to russian society for doing what they idolized him for, they idolized him for that.' well, she was always loved, and that's it, but i want to be a part of this horror, so for me , too, this is a question about the morality of these people, eh, i promised to just ask this question, here before the new year in russia i had my kipish, sorry my god, but it’s really interesting what vitaly portnikov thinks about this, began to cancel even those who lick the putin regime from all sides, well, at least publicly, i don't know what's in their heads at the same time, but kirkorov himself and not only. we are talking about some naked party there, they do not touch, that is true, the wives of various rather interesting characters, such as the main developer, yes they are, because if you have

a husband in the apparatus, you can undress , and if not, then already so what, this is the education of cultural figures, that now it will be the case that now what is needed is not loyalty, but exemplary behavior, this is very strange, in russia they always said that there is no war, well, russia is conducting some kind of special. on the territory of some unknown ukraine, and we live a normal life, we don't have a war, if there is no war, why can't we stretch out at a dinner in a club? but russia, you see, this is a construction, putin is already using this war to build an orthodox taliban there, ugh, and now they are showing how a proper cultural figure should behave, correct, the same was the case in the soviet union in the 1930s , all of them. on the one hand, they went to the stanislavskohovych danchenko theater to of the moscow art academic theater , a classical theater or a small classical theater, on the other hand, a merenhold theater

, an experimental theater. where something absolutely incredible happens, what happens next, this experimental theater is destroyed, meyerhold is shot, who was a completely loyal person to the soviet government, a people's artist of the republic, ugh, and what happens to the actors of meyerhold's theater, its main actor, the symbol of this whole experiment, the world-class comedian ihor elynskyi becomes the main actor of the small theater, all the following... life from 30 there 5 years to 80 plays the roles of the classical repertoire, although in fact he is an actor of an experimental eccentric theater, an eccentric, the main eccentric of the country, but he was told that if you want to act, then you want to be a people's artist, a hero of socialist work, and only when igor yelinsky became an elderly man, well, and he was no longer afraid and he was already a people's artist, then he already

played like that in some soviet film comedies of the khrushchev era. as he basically knew how, and therefore we we know him, by the way, because i mean there are some viewers there who still caught a soviet cinematograph, some carnival night there, but there it goes, ilinsk eccentric like that, but that’s already old age, he was basically like to play all his life, and he would be in the world theater art, a great man, and nobody knows him like that, but they explained to them that now it is necessary to play like that. without any experiments, came out, as it was before, before the revolution in the imperial theater, in the imperial, we now have the imperial theater, emperor stalin, and please, without tricks, here please, without tricks, and this is the same as what kirkorovo, sobchak and the like say there, do you want to be here, do you want to make money here, please, without tricks, went on stage, the party of lenin, the komsomol,

but... they hoped for something completely different, they hoped to hang these scraps on all people, well, and they themselves hoped to continue to be naked, to behave as they like, to feel completely free, and not work, when you go to your country and raise the appropriate regime in it, no be surprised when this regime comes and shoves its hand in your pants, this idea that we will have such a proper country, well, like that, and we will , relatively speaking ... you'd like to paint a tricolor and a portrait of putin, they have such a baller there, who forgets him, a guy from kherson, who really has a portrait of putin and this tattoo on his body, but at some point later

, they will be imprisoned just for mocking putin? ugh, no one thought that if you wear a sock in certain places there, then this is hooliganism and you will to sit for 15 days, by the way, today this rapper was put in jail again, he still hasn't been released for 15 days, which is not enough, and you understand, this is such a deep provincialism, i remember that one of the great rock musicians, i i don't even remember who wore this sock for who knows what, when you and i weren't even born, i think at... the beginning of the year, well, everyone said, oh, at the event, you can perform like that too, well, more like that no one in particular performed, it turned out that after all, in rock music, it's not the sock that matters, but that's all, how and in rap, i suspect, ugh, but in russia it’s something like that, my god, we’ve seen this, it ’s never happened before, you’re just all that too, you know, very secondary, ugh, we very often deal with russian pop over there and something else, we see that they steal everything,

well... this is also the story of kirkorov and baske, who simply cover other people's songs, then get sued for plagiarism, well, they did cover someone else's swimsuit, but really, it's such a nuisance , and this also speaks of a certain level, i would say, perception, by the way, i am very glad that when we have there they showed some footage from transcarpathia of this very similar party, listen, well , people do something you don't like, why do they do it at all, if they are filmed in this way without... we know these people, because if we also start talking, you you know, we don't have to do anything during the war, you can't march and cry. by the way, i absolutely believe that we can face such things. i remember very well which lviv tram i was riding in and the musicians came in and played some completely ordinary a song in ukrainian.