what was the point of doing this, forever , i had to have 10 different bills, one bill on the termination of conscription, one bill on the introduction of basic military training, one bill on mobilization, one on demobilization, one on social rights, and so on yes, one about accounting, and one about the powers of the tsc, that is, all these were to be different laws, in each of which we would solve a specific issue, and of course all this had to be done in a very clear communication with society, unfortunately, this this was not done, it was served at night really, on christmas night, then we heard some crazy number, we will draft women, we will not draft women, let 's cast lots, let's draft only the poor, because it is absolutely absurd if someone pays high taxes , we will not call for it at all, what is it at all, in general , and this, and all of this... all this has stirred people,

people feel this lack of a real plan, lack of a clear vision, and what should be done, what is the problem , a the problem is that this vision must be under a certain strategy, and this is the worst thing that i can state, after zelensky's press conference, after ours. some communication problems. we would like to thank oleksiy honcharenko for the conversation. it was oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as live on youtube and facebook. for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook, please like this video, don't be stingy. in order for this video to be promoted in youtube trends. well, and subscribe to our youtube and facebook pages. besides, take it. participation in our

vote, today we are asking you about whether it is necessary to resume broadcasts of meetings of the verkhovna rada of ukraine temporarily, during martial law, yes, no, if you are currently sitting in front of the tv, pick up your smartphone and vote 0.800 211 381 if you think you need to resume the broadcast, no 0800 211 382. call, all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will match. the results of this vote. we will be in touch later officer of the armed forces of ukraine, major of the armed forces of ukraine, special officer ihor lapin. mr. major, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. mayor, i wanted to ask you, as we are also asking our tv viewers whether broadcasts of the meetings of the verkhovna rada should be resumed during martial law. i will ask you as a person with parliamentary experience. and

combat experience, or do people now need to see and hear what is happening in the session hall, who is conducting what rhetoric and how the discussion of some questions? well, let's be frank, if there will be a discussion in the parliament of some draft laws that may betray the enemy, god forbid, some state secret or elements of this or that country's activity, well then... usually such meetings are simply held behind closed doors, full stop , and why do they not want to show other meetings that are not conventionally connected with state secrets. i have only one explanation for this: is it necessary to do this? yes, of course, it is necessary, and everyone's bodur should be known, as they once said, sorry, that on in the moscow language, but nevertheless, so that every person can turn on the tv at any time and see what they are doing there, because from... to be honest,

you know, under the guise of war, to slander the concept of general openness to parliamentarism and so on, this they can, under the guise of war, stefanchuk can, by abusing his power , decide the issue of the law of ukraine on the status of a people's deputy, as he likes regarding business trips and so on, under the guise of war, they actually make their biggest, as they say, their biggest profits and the biggest troubles for ukrainians, because... what exactly is hiding behind this screen of war, well, and the second point, why is there only a question about the broadcasting of the parliament, the broadcasting of the verkhovna rada. in general, i see that lately it is not a secret for anyone in our country, you can see, as they say, any information through telegram channels, through a youtube segment, well, except for the one that is meant, except for that , which is classified, so what is the problem at all in letting go of this concept of freedom of speech so that... in principle, citizens of ukraine could

to draw all information from open sources, those that are not prohibited by law and those that are responsible, or, i apologize, from us through anonymous telegram channels. the informational and psychological special operations of the russian federation work precisely the best and most successfully, and we have people, they are simply disoriented, and yes, my dear channel is the same, whatever it is there, humpbacked, but nevertheless there is a question of the tv council , radio broadcasting, which can take certain measures when it really needs to and, on the contrary, may not take them, but let's say, everyone's stupidity will be visible then in this story, and the rada tv channel, and any other tv channels, i believe that... work, we live in a market economy and there is nothing to finance them from the state budget, and the rada tv channel, well, in particular it must be financed, because it should simply cover the work of the parliament, and not sing odes and give out all sorts of natural products, let's say, at

the expense of taxpayers in the interests of the current government, there is such a thing as the objectivity of covering the activities of the parliament, it is in us it was, it was built into the very essence of the rada tv channel, and... well, according to the legislation, what did the greens turn it all into, they turned it all into a tent, a show? well, this is very important, this is a question right now, because the verkhovna rada of ukraine is starting to consider the big law on mobilization, and again many questions will arise about who votes for what, who proposes what changes, and today the anti-corruption committee , for example, of the verkhovna rada... said that the government's bill on mobilization contains corruption risks, and it is clear that very many questions arise regarding certain norms of this mobilization law, in conditions when society and journalists do not observe it live, it may happen that

some moments may be unclear, and then the supreme commander will spread his hands and say: listen , well, this is a government project, it was requested by the military. the verkhovna rada has voted, i'm here, why are you appealing to me, that's what the problem is. well, here the question is not only whether the supreme commander will have it or not the opportunity to quietly enter the forest. he quietly went into the forest anyway, because he already announced that it was allegedly invited by the military, the impression is that we need to defend the country, it is the military, and not all of ukraine, that is, zelenskyi has already removed himself from this problem. the second point is that there is a law of ukraine on... mobilization, article four, article 11, they clearly regulate who is responsible for mobilization in ukraine, and this is the president and who should be the author of this draft law, this is about what oleksiy honcharenko said in your studio, it should be an urgent presidential bill, further, further we see statements about

corruption risks, well, i'll tell you, we already see statements by bankers that it is impossible to do, how will they approach this dilemma, to limit the use of cards or not. that is, what is proposed there , as i understand it, in this draft law, well , in general, well, if this draft law concerns the whole society, then isn't it time that it should be worked out in accordance with the constitution of ukraine and the european convention on the protection of of human rights, namely this one the european convention says that in the case of national security, the state of ukraine has the right to limit certain rights and freedoms of citizens, and here everything would be in its place. if this draft law would have been submitted by the guarantor of the constitution, well, in our country, the guarantor of the constitution turned out to be a person who was afraid to do so, because he would not stop like that , no, he did not stop, he was not a statesman, statesmen differ from politicians precisely in that statesmen take responsibility in difficult times, and the statesmen, of course, bear it

electoral risks, because as a rule, everything that is needed for the country is not very popular with the population, and there should be a certain ... kind of balance, but politicians , unfortunately, succumb to such a system called populism, and statesmen, as a rule , they bury their ratings in the name of the state, well, the eighth convocation of the parliament here proved a lot of things in my opinion , no matter what, but we were scolded for everything, that is, including for the visa-free program, which everyone used very well before the beginning a full-scale invasion, well, that's mine opinion, mr. mayor, but what will happen if the issue of the... law on mobilization will be considered for a very long time in the verkhovna rada, this baked potato, which is in everyone's hands, will be thrown from one to another, the diligent will understand, that without this law and without the mobilization of 300, 400, or 500,000 people there

this year, there will be no way to get by, and the verkhovna rada will find out who should be responsible for this, who should contribute, whether these regulations on blocking bank accounts for ... for those who do not appear in tsk, or should to limit the departure of disabled persons of the first, second, and third groups there, because tomorrow they can also be recognized as valid before completing military service. during wartime, that is, this whole story can stretch, how will it affect the situation in the armed forces and at the front, most importantly? well, i think that in this situation, if we are talking about how it will affect the armed forces, well, let's be honest, back in the 22nd year, in fact, the set was already not complete to a certain extent by the end of the year in the military units, well, if necessary to hold the front line, conditionally say, some plot, so that there are 100... people, and there are 10 people, they will hold this plot, no, they won’t, so what will happen, the plot will be reduced, well then, i think

that bucha and borodyanka will repeat themselves , conditionally in the cities of the kharkiv region or the sumy region or the chernihiv region and so on, they will simply be repeated in us, because the armed forces will be forced to leave their positions and move in retreat, well, if you look, well, there are no missiles, no planes, no shells , and there are no people, so what to hold on to, i'm sorry for that slang, you can't hold it, you can't hold it, you have to hold it with weapons and people, in this case, if there is not the first, not the second, not the third, then we will be forced to leave our cities, and in this situation zelensky will be responsible for the fact that he as the guarantor of the constitution, the commander-in-chief, the subject of the legislative initiative did not bring an urgent matter to the verkhovna rada. presidential bill, and the verkhovna rada will be responsible right away, i believe, for its inaction, including, not only

politically, you understand, issues from the court to self-judgment is such a fine line, especially during the war, someone said there maidan two, maidan 3, maidan five, i emphasize once again, there will be no maidans, there are so many weapons on hand, there will never be any maidans in ukraine, well i think so, but we must stand up as a state, as a legal one. the state, and therefore it is necessary to teach the deputies to take responsibility if they are afraid, if they cannot, and as arahamia said, many of them do not want to, then let them make tacos together with their president, they say, phew, we are tired, we we leave, all the power goes to the soldiers, and then we will have to search among the military, economists, search, we have many good ones there, lawyers, economists, believe me, today's trash will not be irreplaceable, we will find a replacement very quickly. the country will be on military rails, martial law, the stake of the supreme

commander, who, well, if he removes himself, well, then stepanchuk will be in charge of this process, and if stepanchuk removes himself, well, then there will be one adult left in that house, a hard worker, which means that he will so as it will be, but to an extreme extent the country endures, or may lead to , i emphasize once again, that bucha will be in kharkiv, yes, because then we held back with incredible efforts, and... but we had a very large patriotic population, i just want to say for all citizens of ukraine, how only those at the front who care about the army, language and faith will end up, then those who don't care will live in slavery, just so they understand, they will live in borodyanka, buch and other cities under russian boots. mr. major, you mentioned kharkiv and the british intelligence of the past last week reported that russia... is preparing a major offensive in kharkiv region, well, actually, it has not stopped this offensive in kharkiv region,

because according to the latest data , the russians have concentrated their offensive efforts in the direction of kupyan, are trying to break through the defense of the defenders, and this is reported by the luhansk regional military administration, which, as you predict, can be expected from the russians in the coming weeks. or the coming months , the east, the east, on the north-eastern front, i would say so, the colossal use of s-300 missiles, which they have very a lot, and they will make a 100-200 kilometer zone here and there, just a dead zone of scorched earth, its equipment to attack kupyansk there, well, they have large concentrated forces there, a logistical arm of personnel to replenish them from the territory of russia. it is very short, so they can continue to exert pressure there, but let's not forget, well, in our

country, the kharkiv region has a length of many kilometers with the border with russia, and they can of course strike from any side, just by moving equipment to those others areas there in the north of kharkiv region and so on, will be noticeable, and i think that the satellites of our western partners will help here, well, i know that the satellite of the same people's satellite, which bought the asylum fund, is also said somewhere there. .. so, i think that such a transfer of equipment will be noticed, because just infantry to break into kharkiv, well, this is an absurd story, it is more likely that the russians, if they do not have the technical ability to enter... and they will use missiles try to make it uninhabitable from words in general, well, i think that such a story, although, taking into account the fact that now is the winter period, that the russians are still interested not only in kharkiv, but in the whole of ukraine, so that we freeze here, they will still try these missiles to use our energy infrastructure to a greater extent, well, it is true, but

if putin's task is kharkiv itself, then... they will first create a mess there, as they say, precisely with their missiles, because this is the easiest way to create chaos and panic among the civilian population , a million millionth the city that is going to be evacuated and believe me obstruct the civilian as the civilian obstructs the military on various logistics routes you can't even imagine because it's traffic again, it's again the same story that we saw at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, well yes it could be, or or i 'm not here... i'm not going to make a forecast, we have budanov for that, who can issue two forecasts for three in one day, and so on, so the question here is a bit not for me. mr. major, the european union is already saying that it is necessary to create a joint army, said the minister of foreign affairs of italy, antonio taijani, he says that the first real reform that

the european union should implement is the strengthening of the common european defense, if we want to be the bearers of peace in the world, we need a european one. army, and this is a fundamental prerequisite for an effective european foreign policy. in a world with such powerful players as the united states of america, china, india, russia, with crises from the middle east to the indo-pacific ocean, the citizens of italy, germany, france or slovenia can only be protected by what already exists, and that is called the european union. the further, the more europeans talk about a joint army, about the need to prepare for war with russia. do you think putin is planning a war with european states, with the nato bloc? well, let's be honest, whether putin plans to do this is only known to those who can measure the temperature in putin's bunker, but the fact that he had such plans at all is what he announced in plain text when

said that the issue of russia's influence, including on the countries, on the baltic countries and there... that is , the baltic countries, the same poles, this is not nato, it is all our interests and so on, that is why putin spoke about it, the issue of political statement, i still read today the statements of the minister of defense and the minister of national security of sweden, who said that everything must be prepared, that the entire swedish people must be ready for war with russia, they also stated this, and many politicians state this, well, for me you know, some kind of schizophrenia. that is, i understand that they hear all the statements of trump, who said that if he comes, he will become the winner, then nato will be our america. well, we remember all these statements, but let's still talk about the european union. that is, instead of giving all that to the ukrainians in order for us to dump all the trash that we have now, all the iron that is now on the territory of ukraine, so that we break the backbone of this

second army of the world, they still decide to accept missiles in their own territory. well, what can i say if it's a politician. a statement to mobilize his ethnic people in order to they didn't criticize the government for helping ukraine, as they say, ok, then that's understandable, but if they really believe that instead of helping ukraine dump the russian army on our bombed out land, in fact, they're going to face russian attacks on their territories, well, then, well, what can i say, this disease , it is incurable, mr. mayor, one more small question, the very end of our conversation, today the law enforcement officers reported that they uncovered another corruption scheme of the former deputy minister of defense, he was exposed for embezzlement of almost 1 billion hryvnias on the purchase of low-quality body armor for the armed forces of ukraine. the conducted examination proved that these bulletproof vests did not correspond to the declared

documents of the class of protection, well, for this former minister, deputy minister. the harrow is facing 15 years in prison, although, well , it would probably be fair if he was simply mobilized to the front in this bulletproof vest, he used those bulletproof vests that he bought, so what can you say about this, as a military man as a lawyer ? let's do so, with from the point of view of a military man, well, they are scoundrels, and let's put it this way, for them the most just punishment is this punishment, i have a different opinion. i cannot say, because now i will be accused of calling for incomprehensible things here. regarding, as a lawyer, as a lawyer, i will say that, to our great regret, in the ministry of defense headed by the former minister of defense taran, after ... the continuation of these criminal actions , a criminal organization was formed, which was headed by the minister at one time defense reznikov, but we still had zavhorodniuk, that is, all three of them

of the minister of defense, who were involved in the creation of a criminal organization directed at undermining the defense capabilities of the state of ukraine, not only is this not a corruption crime, it is pure treason, and in this context , that little man who was reported to us there today, what do you think that one deputy... of the minister could organize and do everything with his own hands, but there should be a whole organization of accomplices, some were engaged in the household reception, others drove, others transported, the fourth did the recalculation of money, the fifth, the tenth, this needs to be sorted out a criminal organization, it doesn't fly like that, they will one by one pull out the one who got caught or the one who signed, and that they alone made these deliveries of these low-quality bulletproof vests, no, that's why i believe that there is simply in... concealing other officials from responsibility, here is the question why and to whom it is beneficial, well, this is not a question for ihor lapin, but if you remember who is responsible for the personnel

policy, which related to all personnel appointments, in particular the minister of defense, deputy ministers of defense and so on, then this is the pure political responsibility of president zelenskyi , as far as corruption matters are concerned, believe me, if you offer this deputy minister of defense a term of 15 or 10, he will... write a guilty plea, enter into a deal with the investigation and tell who he gave, how much gave, what he gave it for and where he carried it, and here in this situation, the issue of an agreement with the investigation may work to the great regret of the prosecutor general's office of the prosecutor general of ukraine and other investigators of the sbi, as a rule, an agreement with the investigation is to take one tow truck, milk him and give i have not yet seen a single corruption crime against him without arresting others. where we have, after agreeing to a deal with the investigation, the conditional former minister of ecology, how is he, my god, zlachevsky, zlachevsky, yes, he

smeared himself with a stupid fine and transferred a couple of percent of his loot to the armed forces, to the united 24 president's fund, well that 's right, that's wrong, it's not an agreement with the investigation, it 's rastamo, it's called customs clearance, customs clearance of the criminal, not an agreement with the investigation, because the state profits from this. i didn't see it, the state could confiscate all his assets and have more than millions in the fund, including drones there and the armed forces and so on, and now zluchevsky's relatives are patriotically buying real estate in the center of kyiv, well, patriotically, well, in kyiv. thank you, mr. major, it was ihor lapin, an officer of the armed forces of ukraine, a special agent, friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms on youtube and facebook, for those who... are now watching us on youtube and facebook , don't be stingy, please like this video so that it was trending on youtube, well , take part in our vote, today

we are asking you about whether it is necessary to resume broadcasts of meetings of the verkhovna rada of ukraine during martial law, yes no, please vote on youtube quite simply, choosing two options, if you are sitting in front of the tv, please take your smartphones and vote yes 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we have a diplomat, an expert on foreign affairs and oleksandr khara of the security policy center of defense strategies. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, mr. sergey, thank you for the invitation. mr. oleksandr, let 's start with north korea with south korea, because even before the escalation began on... korea on korean land, the general korean land, the situation, we talked about what could very well be, that both the war in ukraine and the situation in the near east, it

will be pieces of the big, big picture, puzzle, big picture e fighting on the territory of the planet, or on the planet, and these will be parts of that great war, which, one way or another... will grow and new hot spots will arise around the world, but observing the behavior of kimchynin and his team in the last few days, what can you say , whether he is already ready for war with south korea and whether these are in this case parts of a big plan where there will already be... the third point, the hot spot on the planet, and it is possible that the fourth could be if china and taiwan also reach to this hot phase.

well, mr. serhiy, you are absolutely right, what a world entered such a, let's say, zone of turbulence, and now a new world order, let's say, is being formed, and it will be formed through conflicts, let's hope that it will not come to the third world war. if we are talking about this person, who is currently shown on the screens, of course we do not know what is in his head, and like any, well, in fact totalitarian... leader , he can somehow misjudge the situation and resort to conflict, which can lead to global completely unpredictable consequences, but if we believe that he more or less rational, and in principle he showed that he is like that, for he led the country in 2011, and during this time he did quite a lot to strengthen his positions,

i mean development. nuclear , let's say, components of missile forces, literally in november of last year they launched their satellite for the first time, well, in fact, they need it in order to improve, let's say, the effectiveness of ballistic missile strikes, north korea has a full range of missile systems, they can are not as perfect as in western countries or in china, but by 15... they already have the means in principle, and of course these threats are primarily not aimed at south korea, they are aimed at the united states and its allies in the region, and japan, well, south korea, of course as the territory that is closest, but you know that even if it does not use nuclear weapons, north korea, it can deliver a devastating blow

to the south. korea, literally 40 km from the demilitarized zone is the center, well actually seoul, and in seoul itself and around it is inhabited by almost half of the population, 70% of the most important economic assets, and actually only with artillery systems, incendiary fire, howitzers, which means that north korea can cause such damage, well, on the first day, more than 250. there may be victims, i don’t know, somewhere in the order of 90 thousand killed and the rest maimed there, this is actually this threat, it is only growing, and it is being helped, as at one time by the soviet union and china, with missile systems or the development of nuclear weapons, and now by the russian federation in exchange for ammunition, which is supplied for to kill ukrainians, but i think that this conflict that we saw,

there are literally several hundred shells in... one for the islands, this is just a reminder of myself, i think that so far, before a large-scale conflict, he is not ready, by and large he would like to convert his growing power, nuclear and missile, into concessions from the international community, maybe he, like putin, is waiting for the arrival of trump, because if you remember, they had this honeymoon, that is , such were very friendly relations, true trump did not manage to do anything. reach with kimchin , but there was such a rapprochement and such an attempt, probably he hopes that it will continue like this, but there are other nuances here, which we will not go into details, but you understand that, for example, containing china required the united states to strengthen of its presence and the development of alliances in the indo-pacific region, including on the korean peninsula , there are sufficiently powerful forces that kim jong-un usually wires and

that... well, there is another thing in the theory of international relations, there is such a thing as a security dilemma , that is, if your adversary gets stronger , then you have to get stronger too, and this is how this arms race begins, and in fact the most important driver of this race is the perception of a threat from the other side, maybe it is a false perception, but it pushes to very specific decisions that, well actually lead to a collapse, which means balance and... a possible conflict, you know why i ask you about this, because i remember the events of 1940, when the so-called stylish pact was signed between japan, italy and germany, when this military axis of evil was formalized, eh...