on january 13-14, it will get cold again, and on january 15-16 , it will warm up again, this is the unstable, but forecasted weather, expected in the near future in ukraine. well, thanks natalka dydenko for the weather forecast. i belong to those people who first want frost, and when the frost comes, they want warming, we see warming. goes, well, that's all i'm saying goodbye to you, but we're not saying goodbye, we, as the espresso tv channel, continue broadcasting my colleague serhiy rudenko and his verdict. good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine, this about... the verdict program, my name is serhiy

rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours , we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. today in the program. putin's winter offensive fails, but the russians increase their shelling. how to protect front-line infrastructure from shocks? economy of wartime. is it possible to compensate for the reduction of western military aid in... by own production of ammunition. 10 billion in damages. law enforcement officers are investigating corruption in ministry of defense new scandals around suppliers. we will talk about this and other things during the next hour with our experts and our guests. today we will be in touch with a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine yehor firsov, military expert valentyn badrak and people's deputy of ukraine oleksiy kucherenko. in the second part of the program, which will start in an hour,

we will have people's deputies of ukraine, viktoria syumar, yevgenia kravchuk and andriy osadchuk. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest watching the video of the consequences attack by the russian occupiers on pokrovsk, there they hit the hospital, literally during an operation in the hospital, the occupiers hit the building. and unfortunately there are wounded in this hospital, watch this video.

what can be said about the russians, the animals, they even beat the hospital, although it is unfair to the animals. friends, for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook , please like this video and also subscribe to our pages on these platforms, in addition to taking the survey, we are asking you today, is it necessary... in ukraine, a new holiday of thanksgiving to god. yes, no, please vote on youtube by choosing two features, yes, no, or leave your comments below this video. if you're watching us on tv, please pick up your smartphone or phone and call if you support the introduction of a new thanksgiving holiday, which will be celebrated on the last sunday of september, or at least that's what they're planning. then

call 0800 211 381 or 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end program, we will sum up the results of this vote. we are waiting for the inclusion of yehor firsov, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, he is on the eastern front. our editors are contacting egor, i hope he will get in touch that at... this minute at this hour it is known, as the german publication bild writes, that putin's winter offensive in ukraine has failed, russia is also far from being taken over kupyanska and avdiyivka, which were three months ago, bilt writes. we know that over the past few months, the russians have been actively storming avdiivka and trying to reach the so-called administrative borders.

the so-called lpr and dpr, and simply put, on the administrative borders of donetsk and luhansk regions, as actually it is in the distribution of geographers. administrative division of the ukrainian state. as reported by the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, 67 skirmishes took place at the front during the past day. the most active assault actions were precisely in the avdiyiv direction. according to the american institute for the study of war, russian troops have advanced slightly west of the city of donetsk and west of willow. what. what is happening in the avdiiv direction and will the forecasts of british and american intelligence come true, which say that part of the russian troops will go to kupinsk, respectively in the kupyan direction and they

will move to kharkiv, because according to the forecasts of foreign intelligence, this is exactly the goal putin and his army, for now... unfortunately, we do not know the answers to these questions, and obviously, in the next few days or weeks , the full picture of what the russian occupiers are planning to do will become clear on the eastern front, well, in the meantime, while the russians are preparing for a possible offensive, which they cannot launch, or fail to do so. due to the actions of the armed forces of ukraine, the verkhovna rada of ukraine already has five versions of the draft law on mobilization, this is the government's and four alternative ones, we know that at the end of 2023, the government of denys shmygal

submitted to the verkhovna rada of ukraine a draft law on mobilization, 26 in december , the first version of this draft law was already published, or... let's say, the version supported by the government is very broad the discussion flared up in social networks , and not only in social networks, but also in society, because the norms proposed in this bill affect those conscripts, including those who are abroad, according to the government bill, it was proposed to force those , who is abroad. to undergo certain, certain procedural actions in territorial recruitment centers, or to pass a military medical commission, and if they did not do this, according to the government bill, they would be blocked

bank cards, all real estate activities would be limited, and there were also a number of preventive measures that... according to the logic of the authors of this government bill , would force conscripts to turn to territorial recruitment centers, today the deadline for submitting alternative bills has expired, but literally yesterday , or the day before yesterday, the members of the national security and defense committee sat down, and they thought about what to do with this law. project and came to the conclusion that this government bill contains a lot provisions to which the members of the parliamentary committee on national security and defense have comments first , according to preliminary information

, representatives of the parliamentary committee on national security and defense have 73 comments on the 73 pages of this draft law, and therefore... obviously, on the day consideration or on the day of submission of this official presentation of the draft law to the verkhovna rada of ukraine, it will obviously not be easy for the representative of the ministry of defense of ukraine and the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, because the first thing is to to understand by what logic the rotation will take place in 2024. at the front and in what way this rotation will take place. my editor has already told me that we have a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, yehor firsov, in contact with us. mr. yehor, i congratulate you. thank you for joining our broadcast. thank you and i

wish everyone good health. mr. yehor, i started the conversation and our big evening with the situation on the eastern front, quoted bilt about the fact that the germans write that... putin's winter offensive in ukraine has failed, russia is just as far from capture of kupyansk and avdiyivka, which happened 3 months ago, how does the situation in the east look now? front, where are you? well, i just recently returned from a service leave, the situation looks like this: on the one hand, bil wrote very correctly that the enemy is suffering heavy losses, the enemy is defeated , the russians lost a huge amount of equipment and personnel directly in avdiivka, i don’t know how kupyansk direction, well, but nevertheless the situation remains tense, and first of all, the enemy is now... firing all kinds of missiles at frontline cities, pokrovsk, myrnograd,

selidovo and the rest. well, i don’t think it’s a secret , i’ll say that it’s clear that this is the rear, the rear is important, the enemy is healing, the rear points, but here, not the logistics points, there are personnel and so on, reserve, the enemy is not successful, but he is trying systemically constantly several times a day, well, so that the people of kyiv understand me conditionally there, but there was an attack, i was in kyiv at that time on vacation on january 1, well, only such attacks are more massive and several times a day, but here the enemy is trying advance in the direction of avdiyiv, what a wave he is preparing, i lost count, despite the difficult weather conditions, now... we have about so, let me tell you, somewhere -17, our drones are flying, and here we are, well,

brotherly , let's say this, our unit in the avdiiv direction today destroyed the sunflower, well, this is how the situation looks like, mr. yegor, on your facebook page you wrote that the enemy is quite actively attacking the rear of the front now, all logistical...ways and logistical hubs that are behind the front or near the front, and proposed that part of these logistics centers, infrastructure in general, should still be located underground, that is, to create certain underground towns where it will be safe for those who help those who are at the front, and it is not only about that. about the front-line zone, and in ukraine in general, because we see that the enemy

has been very actively and massively hitting factories, hitting military-industrial facilities, military facilities, of course, over the past two weeks that in some way, in some perspective, we could not create all these logistics so quickly, although these are the underground, the underground infrastructure that you... write about, which, which you, which you discuss, is actively used in the middle east, where the same hamas created these underground passages, which until now the israeli army cannot there is nothing to be done with them, because they produce both weapons and store weapons there, as much as possible, and i will help the ukrainian state to create something similar, because you and i have repeatedly talked about the fact that russia... will always be by our side, and we still have to somehow create some

infrastructure that could survive next to such an aggressive country as russia? well, 100% , it must be done, there is no other way , i expressed this opinion because i am watching, i am at the front and i am watching the situation, and so we really need to make underground towns for military infrastructure, which... protect our reserves, our the rear part, the logistics part, there is no other way, you know, i don’t know how many missiles the enemy has, i’m speaking frankly , at all, at all, i’m not engaged in this analytical work, we were once told that in the enemy is left by well-known experts, who made their youtube, youtube broadcasts, that the enemy has missiles left there for a month or something, well, i don’t, i don’t remember exactly, but... they convinced the ukrainian society that - the enemy will no longer have missiles , as we can see, the enemy has missiles, i don’t know

if they produce them on their own, or buy them in north korea or something, it makes no sense, there is only one factor: the enemy will continue to hit along the rear, in all the cities, and in order to save the lives of the soldiers, one must forget about finding soldiers. in buildings, on some floors, just in some location there on the territory of tents and so on, it is necessary to transfer everyone underground, and... and then, in principle, enemy shelling will not have such a military sense, so they will continue to hit the infrastructure , we won't get anywhere, that's what air defense is for, it protects us, there are different tets on water canals and so on, making life difficult for us, but they won't have military success, moreover, i want to say that there are gorgeous

locations, especially in donetsk region, where the rocket in general, even in theory... it is not possible to get to these locations, for example, behind the tericons, behind the hills, special locations where there are quarries that once mined the nadra and so on, so it must be done monotonously , gradually, but do and it was here that you mentioned palestine , israel, and it was the conversation with the commander, one of the commanders of the israeli army , that prompted me to do this, because if the palestinians were able to make underground cities for their own infrastructure, well, we are worse than the palestinians, we stupider, we are poorer, no, me i think no, the ukrainians are smart enough, and i think that the authorities have enough sense to gradually start building similar cities, because that 's all, in general, one of the american generals there once said that war is logistics,

logistics, logistics again, the enemy is not for nothing, because he wants to blow up... the spirit, he wants to heal the warehouses and so on, without without a rear, especially without a military rear, a battle on the front line, it just turns into a formality, because there is no driving a bull, there is no reserves, they are restricted and so on, that's why the military infrastructure is protected underground, this is in general, i would say the basis of the foundations, panegyric, these days the verkhovna rada of ukraine has to consider a draft law on mobilization, an important issue for the whole society and first of all for those who are on the front, since it is this draft law that is planned to settle the issue demobilization of people who are in the armed forces of ukraine, what, what, what do the front expect from this law, that is, are there any expectations, are there any

conversations about how this should all happen, and it is clear that this is a matter of life... and death of many people, and it is clear that this cannot be avoided, that is, mobilization cannot be avoided, you and i have already talked about it in previous programs, i how it should all happen, information appeared about the fact that this bill, which is in the government, will undergo significant changes in the committee on national security and defense, not even excluding the bill will be returned to the ministry of defense for revision, that is the delay of this bill... the adoption of this bill for various reasons, the wrong norms, there is no political solution, no one take responsibility for what is written in this bill, how will it affect those who are on the front line? well, i'll tell you, we don't follow up on these flurries of legislative initiatives, there's simply no time, but of course this is an important

issue for us, it's important from the point of view that all... the military needs at least some clarity, at least some, how much who lived, will live, let's be frank until this moment, but how much one way or another the military will have to fight, especially who went as a volunteer, people need to rest , people need to recover, i'm telling you this as a unit sergeant major, actually a deputy commander, because when a unit is fresh, it shows a... much more combat effectiveness when a unit is demoralized, war-weary, trench-weary, shelling, it is very difficult to expect anything from a military man, because he is just physically and psychologically tired, so it is important for us on this front to say that guys , bear with you to fight for a year, two,

three, more, no... it's important, it's kind of important clarity and perspective, and during this time you will be replaced by, well, other guys, and demobilization, it is important, as you can call it there, whatever you want, but it depends significantly on mobilization, because someone to replace us or others has everything to come, and who will come, what quality of training these fighters will have, this is also... a big question, because believe me, the guys don't really want to, well, let's put it this way, hold a position, and for someone else to come later, more weak, unfired, not prepared there. and i gave up these positions, it's a terrible dream, let's say yes, for us, moreover , i will tell you frankly, conditionally, if conditionally, if tomorrow there

is to ensure this demobilization, to say, guys, whoever wants to go home, i will tell you frankly, i do not think that a huge number of soldiers will go , i think that a significant part of the guys, a large part of the guys , at least, with whom i serve, despite everything ... but you know, but they will remain in the armed forces of ukraine, i don't know, well, how much this is breaking news for someone there, but nevertheless, they found themselves, they became professional soldiers, they get a good deal salary, well, and many other factors, that's why, but of course this issue is very, very important, after all, we would like that, you know, we would not be used in such a way that here you are... volunteers came, especially volunteers, well done guys, fight there until you finish, we would still like some clarity, a state strategy, and how we

will behave tomorrow, a year from now, there and beyond. thank you, mr. yehor, for the conversation and for including the espresso tv channel on the air, it was yehor, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine firsov. friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube and in... but, for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook, please subscribe to our pages on these platforms, make sure be sure to like this video in order for it to be promoted in the trends of these platforms, and vote in our poll, today we ask you about this, does ukraine need a new holiday, the day of thanksgiving to god? yes, no, please vote on youtube with the appropriate buttons, if you are sitting in front of the tv. watch our telecast, be sure to pick up your smartphones and vote if you think such a holiday is necessary, 0800 2110381, no 0800

211 382, ​​call, vote, it is important for us to know your opinion, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote . next we will be in touch with valentin badrak, military expert, director of the army, conversion and disarmament research center, mr. valentin, i congratulate you and... i am glad to see you on our air, congratulations, mr. serhiy, i am very glad join the broadcast as usual. thank you for the invitation. mr. valentyn, today volodymyr zelenskyi held a meeting of the supreme commander-in-chief, and what volodymyr zelenskyi reported was that the commanders of the main directions and operations were present in person, together with them, the general staff of the ministry of defense, the ministry of strategy and industry, and the ministry of information, discussed the issue of security in all details. of the front with shells and drones, actual costs, daily need, distribution between units, systematized current and future contracts, assistance from partners, actually

production, in particular the opening of new lines, we are doing everything to provide the soldiers with everything they need to complete their tasks, another important air defense issue, analyzed the latest russian strikes and the effectiveness of the air force, agreed on our next steps to strengthen the protection of cities, communities, and critical infrastructure facilities, mr. valentin, we see that the military command, the political command of ukraine is asking questions about the future of the military-industrial complex, we are talking about shells and drones. i know that you have been studying the issue for several decades works of the military industrial complex of ukraine. in detail, you know the situation in the military industry. let's get started. from what ukraine now possesses, so that we do not reveal secrets on the air, but what capabilities

we currently possess, whether we have such capabilities, we used to be a country with a large missile potential, we created missiles, and most of the rockets of the soviet union, it seems, were still produced in the dnipro by our designers, has this been preserved, can it be restored and in what perspective? well first it is very important, it is extremely important that the supreme commander takes care of these issues, this is a very, very important situation, and in fact, the stake has now taken place in the form in which we proposed six months ago to create a military-industrial commission in which the president would have two deputies, one is the chief military officer, that is , the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, and the other is the chief industrialist, and now we see... well, in fact, for the first time, such a situation occurs when, well, the military-industrial commission can create it, it can not create it, but no created, but such a matter, but what

is carried out in such a form, is precisely its own. hears about the fact that, well, the absolutely correct approach is being developed now, but unfortunately, it is being developed against the background of, so to speak , negative lessons, including this physical protection of the enterprise, what we know, sometimes, well, let's say yes, not in detail, and it's good that it's not in detail, yes, but it testifies to what has been done regarding the physical protection of enterprises. well, there are a lot of shortcomings in this, and especially not even in physical, even in defense, to dig in there, yes to do there underground, in that a lot of information was walking freely, and because of that, well , let's say, it got to the information, well, either to the traitors, or to those who played along with the traitors and simply exposed this information, well, i want to remind you that rocket enterprises

from rockets. we have preserved and greatly developed missile capabilities, ukraine has mastered such programs that it has never carried out, let's say, it has never developed and produced anti-aircraft missile systems, it is now being done, it has created a drone school all of them, both air, ground, and sea , are very powerful, but, but again, again , this is the situation, well... missile capabilities, they were demonstrated back in the 14th year, kb luch demonstrated neptune , and only in the 16th the poroshenko government at the nsdc approved the missile program, there were also delays, unfortunately, since when the government changed, well, i can give an example, you remembered that i communicated with the defense complex, yes, yes ,

yes, let's say, from the 18th year i tried to start, i gathered everyone at the expert council manufacturers of aviation complexes at that time , that is, unmanned aviation complexes and unmanned ground complexes, then there were six main aviation ones, three main ones on the ground, but today information appeared from fedorov, the vice-prime minister and minister of digital transformation, that behind... for the first time, the nrk , i.e. the saber ground robotic complex, was contracted for the first time, and i ask myself, i am glad, of course, that robots will appear in our army and that they will be the first to advance , and then people, but i ask both the saber and the hunter, and various others there, many there were already more than one and a half dozen of them, they were ready in the 18th year, i came to deputy minister of defense myronyuk, he seemed to say

that... it was interesting, but he did nothing, ukroboronprom abramavichis and then gusev came, and nothing was done, no one did not want to do anything, although interesting projects were proposed, to combine the efforts of the state and private structures to make such strike complexes, to speed up their creation and production, well, it is good that at least in the 24th we came to this, regarding the ammunition industry . well, in general, the situation is strange, well, it was strange for a very long time, i remember when at one of the arms exhibitions at idex, i am afraid to remember, idex 2001, and then , unfortunately, the director of the impuls shostkinsky company, evgeny chernov, one of the best specialists in the ammunition industry, he told me for two hours how it is necessary

to restore the ammunition industry and how much money is needed for... this is needed, if they had started then, well, there would not be such a mess, of course, but now we have to catch up with all these, all these opportunities and, let's say, more military-technical cooperation is becoming more important, already here nice thing about the government, let's say it is very important that after a trip to the united states, an extreme, let's say, visit, zelenskyi's team brought two very large projects. interesting, this is the frankensam project, this is the creation or adaptation of soviet-made anti-aircraft missile systems, primarily the buk-300 for western missiles, this is an extremely important, important project that has worked and is already actually in production, plus two american companies have begun to cooperate in production in production 155th