probably followed the worst scenario, because you know that in any fight you need to be not only strong, you also need to make decisions quickly. the fact that we have problems with mobilization was clear at the end of the 22nd year, although those who are involved in this whole history know that from the 14th, and in the 19th, and in the 20th, in we have always had problems with assembly centers and all this mechanics. i remember when i was still 8 years working in a very large commercial organization, i remember... absolutely terrible stories that we had in our relationship with the local warlord, not because someone did not want to do something, because in general everything was not settled, but unfortunately, in the 22nd year, everyone decided that we were doing well with mobilization, in fact, just a bunch of volunteers went to the front and the assembly centers could easily collect there some plans of their own, although at the end of 2022 it was already clear that we have problems, but only the media scandal in july of last year... according to

the odessa military commission, drew attention to the fact that we have problems, and then in the summer nothing prevented the president of ukraine from convening the council national security and defense and to make a historic decision to dismiss all the military commissars, because they were probably all bribers, well , maybe volodymyr oleksandrovich does not know that the word integrity and professionalism are not synonymous, and to expel all of them is certainly not a bad idea, it probably was, but exactly since september, we had... huge problems, because there was no one to work, and when in november it was already clearly clear that difficult, possibly unpleasant decisions had to be made, the supreme commander-in-chief, who has all the powers, in accordance with the law on mobilization, mobilization preparation, where everything is spelled out, he can absolutely conduct everything through the national security and defense council and through the presidential decree, this is to put everything into effect, and what details need to be added by laws, it would be possible to... launch the verkhovna rada, but

instead of of this, this entire huge block is sent, as i understand it, to the ministry of defense, it passes it through the cabinet of ministers and by christmas it is registered in the verkhovna rada, and now absolutely all departments from the ministry of defense to the relevant committees of the verkhovna rada recognize that not only do 72 pages need proofreading, but not every paragraph on those 72 pages needs proofreading. at the same time, four more alternative draft laws have been submitted, whether someone likes them or not, but they also need to be considered, and i would like to remind you that according to article 112 of the rules of procedure, every deputy must receive the conclusions of the specialized committee within seven days, regarding all draft laws that are submitted to the voting. we are talking to you now, i confirm this, that the specialized committee today did not make any decision either on the government bill or on alternatives, and tomorrow they will try... not to improve mobilization

, excuse me, to save the face of those who submitted the bill, because from the point of view of the logic of the parliamentary mechanism, of course, it must be withdrawn, i mean the government one, quickly introduce it there, rewrite all the articles that were agreed with the profile committee were discussed with other committees, what syumar says, they agreed with the corruption risks, all this must be integrated into the new draft law, because otherwise... we will continue to waste time, because we, as the parliament, will follow the procedure , but the procedure of the parliament for considering draft laws is a peacetime procedure, for us it may take another month, i don't know, one and a half or two, but whether our military has a month or one and a half or two to improve the mobilization process, which , as i said, should have been improved a year ago, there is none, so the situation is actually absolutely critical and it is deliberately created that way, and let me... the last line,

so that i do not forget: in order to to make any difficult decision, you need to have the whole volume information, and in order to make decisions on mobilization, you need to have access to a huge amount of secret military information, and believe me, maybe only the deputies of the national security, defense and intelligence committee have such knowledge, and most of the deputies do not know at all what level of equipment we have, what is our level of losses, what is the time spent on preparation, what... we need a budget for one, two, three. deputies do not know this, and in these conditions they were put in a situation where they are obliged to pass a decision on which the defense capability of the country depends. trust me, it won't end well. i am ready to support rational solutions, but it is absolutely impossible to vote for this bill now if we are going to be broken at the knee this week. the most sensible thing to do for the supreme commander is to take the lead in this matter. i think that all this should be passed through the national security council,

approved by a presidential decree, and what details should be approved in the verkhovna rada, and the details that have already been worked out should be passed in a new draft law, and then maybe... in as short a time as possible, we will be able to restart the mobilization, on which the survival of the country actually depends. thank you, mr. andriy , ms. victoria, i have a question for you, i see what you want to say, but i want to ask you a question on the contrary, you worked in the national security and defense council, you were the deputy secretary of the national security council, and well about what mr. andriy is saying, whether or not it could be the case that the verkhovna rada of ukraine. will follow the procedure, according to this procedure this draft law introduced by the government can be sent for finalization to the ministry of defense, because there are a lot of comments, in principle it cannot be adopted there in the first reading, could it be that this same law, or let’s say, the norms of this law could be part of

the presidential decree, which will be signed by zelenskyi and which the decision will be put into effect or , on the contrary, the decision of the rnbu will be put into effect. by the presidential decree, serhii, in fact, i agree with my colleague here, the fact is that the law on mobilization, mobilization preparation, article four, it clearly states that both the terms and volumes, and the order of mobilization, submitted to the verkhovna rada by the president of ukraine, is determined by the president of ukraine. obviously, the supreme commander-in-chief's rate has all the information. andrii verkhovna rada said absolutely exactly. you don't have such information either about the number of casualties or about the needs of today's various branches of the military, yes, about who is directly on combat duty today, who is in the rear, what we actually have with the power structures, whether we actually have a budget, for the 500,000 mobilized

that we are talking about, and in fact with this information even the general staff does not own it, it is a very complex thing, during the war it has to take care of such things. of the supreme commander, and this is extremely important, because there is all the information about the problem and there is an opportunity to bring these things together professionally. our faction voted for all mobilizations, moreover, there in the 14th and 19th years we carried out mobilization measures, as a matter of fact, as the government, there were eight waves of mobilization, we are ready to support mobilization if it is introduced in accordance with the law, in particular supremely important. commander and considered at stake, that is, it may be a law of ukraine, but who should submit it, here i agree, here it is necessary to really show leadership in this process, well, the question is that the leader of the process should be

the commander-in-chief, and not the prime minister minister of ukraine? well, obviously, you know, well, it's, let's be honest, it's an attempt to overturn unpopular events today. to the general staff, to the minister of defense, maybe even to the prime minister, and regarding which there is various information about what might happen to release a couple with some kind of resignation, i don't want to talk about it now, but in any case , you know, this issue is extremely sensitive for the country, it has become such a hot topic that they are trying to overturn, it's wrong, because here we really need to tell the truth about the situation , it exists, and it is really necessary , here i already agree with mrs. yevgenia, it is necessary to look for encouragement, it is necessary to motivate people, yes, and for this it is necessary to show them that the state is doing absolutely everything possible to protect their lives, because it is about life and death in fact, yes, that is, about

the lives of ukrainians, about a very large number of people, in fact, if we are now focusing, as a state, on the construction of fortifications, we are focusing on maximum contactless battles, on fpv drones, on slaves, well, on all these systems that allow us not to lose people, then people will understand this, and probably then recruiting will still take place a little bit on different principles, and not on you know who is there, the mayor has to go, grab a person and bring him somewhere to look for everyone has to walk people, well you look at what is being done in the villages, there are no men there, i don't know where, the same in the cities, that is, the situation is very difficult. and it obviously needs to be resolved, because the military needs to be changed, and indeed we are suffering losses as a state, most of them are actually wounded, people who simply cannot return to the front, we need to replace those who are many, who have been at zero for a long time, these are indisputable things, but all this must be weighed,

and indeed this method, you know, a whip, it is necessary, a whip, it is necessary with the gingerbread method, with incentives, with incentives, also somehow, so that it is not only a batih. thank you, ms. victoria, ms. yevgenia, but your political force has a majority in the parliament, could it be that without european solidarity, you can do without a voice. to vote for this government bill in the first reading, well, in principle , nothing prevents you anymore, do you have a monomajority or not? well, it seems to me that it is precisely in this difficult issue that it is necessary to consolidate the parliament as much as possible and find some kind of variant of the norm, again we can talk for a long time about some ways of regulation. how can it be, how can it not be, but in the end there after the second reading it will be a certain document, which should

reflect the best proposals from different committees, from different factions, as far as i know, the factions are now also submitting their proposals for improvement there modernization of certain norms, in order for this conclusion of the specialized committee to take into account these proposals, and here exactly... one cannot help but say that it is only there that the majority should vote in this way, because it is correct, colleague pointed out that this is a question of the existence of the country, and of finding answers, and the answers will never be simple to such complex questions, but it is clear that the people's deputies who will make this or that decision ultimately want and must explain this society, that this norm is here... it is because, or this norm, there, i don't know, well, let's assume that it applies to people with disabilities there, it

will be changed in this way. well, i understand that the main unification in this situation is a common position, because mobilization is the future of our ukraine, our state, our common future, and without this, of course, we cannot do without, i only meant that if suddenly there is a lot of attention to... this draft law, or whether the decision of the faction there is a servant of the people , that we all vote for this, or uh, or whether this is a political decision, because it is a political decision, despite the fact that it is a military-political one, but in this case it is an exclusively political decision that must be adopted, because in a different way, well , the state cannot live, well, we definitely have a faction meeting planned, it is planned after committee meeting to eventually figure out. the final conclusion of the profile committee, but clearly our faction will

make a consolidated decision and it is obvious that we will be guided by the conclusion of the profile committee, because it is there and the head of our faction and the head of the committee participate in it, this is a representative of the servant of the people, and we i think we should trust the decision of the specialized committee, including because of what they said. colleagues, because they have more complete information, by the way, these meetings took place in a regime, well, in such a closed one regime, not for nothing, because there is some sensitive information of the dsk, and actually all the members of the committee have these permissions and they could develop each and every issue in more detail, so i personally will be guided by the decision of the specialized committee. thank you, ms. evgenia, ms. tanova, after... a short break on our tv channel, we will return to the studio,

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and oskad pharmacies. friends, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please like this video, don't be stingy for that , so that this video is trending on youtube and facebook, and take part in our survey, today we are asking you about ... about whether ukraine needs a new thanksgiving holiday? if you're watching us on youtube, it's pretty simple, yes, no, choose an option or write your comments below this video. if you watch us on tv, please pick up your smartphone or phone and vote, if you think that the new holiday should be the day of thanksgiving to god, and there is exactly such a proposal in the verkhovna rada

of ukraine for such a day, then vote for the number 0800 211 381. 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will pick up the results of this vote. today , let me remind you, our guests are people's deputies of ukraine, yevheniya kravchuk, viktoriya syumar and andriy osadchuk. ladies and gentlemen, we will monitor how the voting and decision-making regarding the mobilization law will actually take place, but at the same time, well, obviously, when we talk about this law, we are talking about... communication, about the communication failure that was 26 in december, when this draft law appeared on the website of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, it was not properly communicated, and different things started interpretations, people began to be horrified, to withdraw money from bank accounts, to transfer property to their wives, to their mothers, and to

someone else, so the situation was completely incomprehensible. volodymyr zelenskyi believes that the key... challenges for the world today are the resistance to the aggression of the russian federation, the fight against russian disinformation, including the one actually faced by ukrainians during these two years and during the discussion, including this draft law. zelenskyi, during online communication with the participants of the annual of the swedish national conference on society and defense, spoke, in particular, about the information space and how to deal with this information space, let's listen. what did the president of ukraine say? today, russia controls, unfortunately, a large percentage of the information space, and i am not talking about ukraine now, but about social networks everywhere. i am talking about europe, about the civilized civilized world, i am talking about the united

states, i am talking about britain and about the african continent. about the countries of latin america, russia invests a lot of money, a lot, as i say, in various media, media within the respective countries, as well as in social networks. i believe that this is one, one of the most difficult challenges, this is the war in russian disinformation in space, and this cleaning, monitoring this, well... professional people from intelligence to independent journalists should be engaged. ms. victoria, how are we investing in the fight against disinformation, in general, the fight for the spread of true information from ukraine and abroad and within the states. a difficult

question, serhiy, because i believe that very long time in ukraine. there is a war, there is war fatigue, obviously, ah, first of all abroad, and inside the country, obviously there are things that need, well, serious correction, i would say so, because the format of censorship, state censorship, has obviously exhausted itself , i mean the single news marathon, as you know, this is the problem that we discussed with you today, that we are... in such a state, well, this also happens to a large extent because of information policy, because initially society is there as much as possible were massaged with such... frenzy of victory, yes, things that we are winning, but now the scumbags, the russians are weak enemies, all that kind of stuff, we saw all this on the air

of the united marathon, and well, listen, if we all win, then why should everyone strain, why should they mobilize, why should they study for two years, well , the volunteers went, they will take it all on themselves, the truth is, such an information policy existed in principle. in fact, until the end of the year, then, you know, i have the impression that from this warm bath, people were simply pushed under such an icy shower of reality, when they were told, yes, we will catch you on the street, we are generally doing electronic registers here now, we will generally look at what you drive, stop you, take your car and take you to the tsc, well, just all that legislation , but right now i'm literally on my computer, new drafts of the law that we will consider tomorrow, in particular. is called the law on ubd, but in fact it is about electronic registers of conscripts, i.e. they allegedly started writing the law to simplify obtaining a participant

in hostilities, in fact it turned out to be about completely different things, well , unfortunately, this is already becoming a very bad tradition in our country, so you can't, you know, you can't take the country from one pole and move the country to the other, with the country must speak honestly, finally come to this, well, with the world , it seems to me that... our communication is more or less adequate at the level of messages, but very inadequate things are happening, for example, with the graduation, not graduation, of people's deputies from countries, yes, because if it is loyal to us mps, if they are our mps, then there is no problem at all, and if you are opposition mps, it doesn't matter that you always say statist things, it doesn't matter that you speak with one voice with the ministry of foreign affairs, but you simply shouldn't be there. because this is how we treat the opposition. to democracy, to freedom of speech, to european values, all this is seen abroad, because communication is always based on real affairs and on real

steps that are taken in the country, and then there is a correlation of statements that democratic european ukraine is fighting for values ​​with authoritarian russia, or is ukraine just trying to establish authoritarianism here, you know, a small authoritarian country will never win against a big one. authoritarian country , and even more so, will never become a member of the eu and nato, and we would very much like that, this should actually be a ukrainian victory, so we probably need to reformat communication policy and many domestic political issues if we want unity and the unity of society today around what has always really united us, around our, ukrainian, european values. thank you, ms. yevheni. no, i will ask you, because there are at least three journalists on the air, and we understand what we are talking about, and i understand that mr. andriy also knows the kitchen, obviously,

how does the media work, but at least we are people who have worked and we work in the media, and we know what information policy is, how it is formed, where it comes from, i have a rather simple question: zelenskyy talks about what we need, in some way... to combat these russian disinformation eyes the resources that are available all over the world, including in ukraine, they work quite actively, and with which, what resources do we use to combat these disinformation and information resources, and what the state is ready to invest, how to invest for that , to create some resources that could cover european countries there or african countries or asian countries there. some kind of conditional foreign language, not freedom, but a foreign language that can tell about what is happening in ukraine, show everything, how, what is happening, why can't we invest in this,

well, i'm probably going to say a rather unpleasant thing, but it must be understood, we will never fall for the russians, for russia in the form of financial infusions into this informational struggle, because russia officially spends billions. billions of cash are still not officially flowing, and these are billions in currency, yes, in dollars, in euros, indeed, they work all over the world, and if in europe, uh, well, we have the sanctions of the european commission there, uh, from the very beginning, actually after february 24 on the activity of propaganda resources there, and it is very good that in the end these sanctions were imposed, and we, by the way, work in international organizations, here i am... now i am the chairman of the paria committee on issues of eu culture, science and media, and we are actually preparing a resolution on propaganda in europe , actually russian

propaganda, and it is very important to... call a spade a spade, that this is not freedom of speech, not freedom of expression, it is a dirty game of the kremlin, and what’s more, every time with mom and the voters, by the way, with all of them, in that among the western countries, let's talk about africa, there about south america, they really work there the resources that either belong indirectly to the russians or are financed by russia, regarding the foreign language, i don’t think that... we can even just physically and and and well, these are large financial resources and time resources to make our own english-language version of the bbc there . we have, by the way, a foreign language , it is also in english, there is on youtube, there is a spanish version, there is an arabic version, but can it fully meet our needs in the same way as the states, absolutely not, i think that one of

the options is there may be cooperation. ukrainian content producers, ukrainian media from already well-known resources that have an audience in the west, this is, for example, a good example of public, who share their materials throughout the ebu network, yes, the european union of broadcasters, and there are very good indicators, this is , in my opinion, a good investment of the state that invests and funds the public broadcaster, which further distributes. this information, and of course, that it is necessary to work in the countries themselves and our diplomats, by the way, literally today in the italian city of modena , the permit for this exhibition there, which the russians, propagandists wanted to tell how mariupol is being rebuilt there, the reaction was the ministry of foreign affairs, the reaction to the matter of ukrainians in italy and this... it is normal that

ukrainians should be, they should be heard in every country where they are interrupted, stay , and i absolutely agree that parliamentary reformation and personal connections are important. thank you, ms. evgenia, mr. andriy , for what you think, how, how ukraine should fight, because words, as the dean of the faculty of journalism, anatoly moskalenko, once said, are a weapon, and they should always be close to other weapons, and it is russia that is fighting against us. including , in a word, the main thing is that we do not fight against ourselves, you know, the fact that you showed a quote from volodymyr zelenskyi, it is absolutely phenomenal, phenomenal, because that is all he is saying correctly about the information war, about the russian disinformation war federation, i am ready to subscribe to every word that you have just shown, says volodymyr oleksandrovich zelenskyi, but at the same time, returning to our discussion about

mobilization. for the last two weeks that have passed since the registration of the government bill for christmas, the only thing we have achieved is the improvement of mobilization, we have sown despair and fear even more, people perceive mobilization only as a call to the assembly center, which for everyone looks like a black hole, where a person falls and everything, disappears forever, no one does anything understands, at the same time somewhere in the week. a month and a half, probably until december 25, the date of registration of the draft law, the efforts of some deputies from the servant of the people seconds on the air are, mr. andriy, i have to you, good, good, it is now critically important for us not to make mistakes inside the country, critically it is important to hire high-quality communication teams, and ending with mobilization, no matter what law we pass, if the ministry of defense and the general staff do not hire high-quality media... who

will not explain to people on a daily basis how, what, for what, why we are doing, the chances of quality reboot mobilizations are almost ghostly. thank you, andrii osachuk, viktoriya syumar, yevgenia kravchuk, were guests of our program today, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program. during the program, we conducted a survey, we asked you about such and such ukraine needs a new holiday, a day of thanksgiving to god. so, what are the poll results on tv? please show 67%. 57% yes, 43% no, these are the results of today's survey, it was the program verdict of provia serhii rudenko, i wish everyone good health, take care of yourself and your family, see you tomorrow at 8:00 p.m., goodbye.