hearing about the mobilization, no matter what law we pass, if the ministry of defense and the general staff do not hire quality media people who will not explain to people on a daily basis how, what, why , why we are doing it, the chances of a high-quality reboot of the mobilization are almost impossible to accept, thank you, andriy osachuk, viktoriya syumar, yevheniya kravchuk were guests of our program today, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program, during the program we conducted a survey, we asked you about whether ukraine needs a new holiday on the day after... thanks to god so, what are the poll results on tv? please show 67%, 57% yes, 43% - no. these are the results of today's survey, it was the verdict of serhiy rudenko program. i wish everyone good health, take care of yourself and your family. see you tomorrow at 20:00. goodbye.

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let me remind you, is in a pre-trial detention center, and we are also discussing the draft law on mobilization, of which there are currently as many as five versions. so according to what scheme will people be recruited into the army? my name is vlasta lazur. we begin. so, as of today , five versions have been registered in the verkhovna rada bill on mobilization. one of them is from the cabinet, and four are alternative, they were submitted by people's deputies and some others. we will talk about them today. in the meantime, parliamentary committees are debating the main government bill, which, i would like to remind you, provoked a flurry of discussion in society, in particular due to the prospect of restricting citizens' rights. the day before, this bill was also discussed by the anti-corruption committee, which admitted that this document from the government contains corruption risks. the social committee also voiced its comments the politicians of the council, there called for it to be finalized, the biggest remark, in particular, was

expressed in... regarding electronic summons, this was said in a comment to the public by deputy and representative of the committee mykhailo tsimbalyuk. the entire previous week, i will remind you, the draft law on mobilization was discussed in the specialized committee on defense security and intelligence. military and government representatives came to the committee, according to the publication nv with reference to unnamed sources in the committee, valery zaluzhny spoke out against the norm of involvement to the army of prisoners and convicts and called on the deputies to provide the army with people. and if not, then they went to fight themselves. another interlocutor, whose words are referred to by nv, told the publication that the committee was also attended by the minister of education and science, oksen lisovyi, and the head of the national police, ivan vehivskyi. they asked not to adopt the draft law in its current form. and when they were asked whether they supported the document when it was adopted by the government, they said yes, because they said there was no other way out, but they approved the document before voting allegedly did not see. chairman of the committee of the verkhovna rada. on matters of national security, defense and intelligence

oleksandr zavitnevich said in an interview with rbc ukraine today that certain provisions of the draft law will be significantly changed already during consideration in the verkhovna rada. at all meetings there was a working atmosphere, heated discussions, exchange of arguments, sometimes emotionally. first of all, it concerned finding a balance between the constitutional rights of citizens and the mobilization measures proposed in the draft law, which limit rights. well, he has already joined our broadcast. vadym mivchenko, people's deputy, faction of the motherland , member of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, good evening, good evening, i understand that the next meeting of the committee has literally just ended, where you discussed this government bill on mobilization, with what you ended today meeting, did you finalize it? you know, the committee has been working non-stop since thursday, we've been working since 8:10, and then... for 12

hours today, the national security, defense and intelligence committee has not been able to begin , shall we say, maintenance. or to recommendations regarding the draft law submitted by the government, we agreed, let's say, that the secretariat will work out the recommendations, and when the secretariat works out the recommendations, we will meet, most likely the committee will meet tomorrow after the parliament session, that is, as of today, only discussions have taken place in the working groups together with the government, and tell me, please, what the committee... categorically does not support and does not accept and is not ready to support in the government bill on mobilization, well, let me say for myself why, because the committee, when says that the committee supports or does not support, there needs to be a vote, and well, accordingly, the first, well, of course, we are talking

about the discretion of people who are on the front lines at zero and tol people, that is, those who were on the front lines performing tasks, for example, 12 mi combat tasks, they can be demobilized, or given leave there for two years and so on. that is, we were talking. second, we must clearly legislate that the third group of disabilities must remain, and people who take care of people who have the third group of disabilities, whether women, whether there are parents, have to see themselves too, well, in the law. next, training must take place for 60 days, it is mandatory, how many days does this draft law provide for training, doesn't it provide for 60 days, that's how we say that it must be, in the law and nowhere has to the next: all law enforcement agencies should

be, let's say, in the same environment, because we had some on decommissioning, others on armored, we sent all law enforcement agencies, from the police to nabu, bep, sdb and so on. on reservation, next, this, this direct, let's say, responsibility, or temporary measures of restriction, i think that we should remove all these proposals as being contrary to the constitution of ukraine, and many other things that are discussed in the committee and proposed by working groups for well in... to they were taken into account and removed between the first and second readings of the government bill, do you have any idea how much more time it will take for the select committee to see this bill through to the end and eventually bring it to the floor for a vote? tomorrow, i do

i understand, we will consider and vote on the recommendations of the committee, that is , what the government is proposing today, the government is proposing to improve , let's say , this bill. norm, and you correctly said about the minister of education, this was my appeal to him when i said, you came to us today with the relevant proposals, and you submitted them to the government, to which he said, so submitted, every ministry submitted, i.e. the government having received a ministry from everyone did not consider the proposal and simply passed it on to the verkhovna rada in order for the verkhovna rada to work. and today, in fact , the national security committee is the lawyer of the ministry of education, the national police, and the civil service, the minister of the cabinet of ministers passed, which means that no one in the government worked on the relevant law, it was simply adopted and then sent to the verkhovna rada, let the verkhovna

rada deal with it there society, with the ministries and so on and so on, in order to develop an already comprehensive draft law, so we will prepare our recommendations, then the committee will determine: it will support the bill with recommendations, or b) we will still recommend to the ministry of defense to withdraw the relevant bill and submit it again, but as we have already worked in the working groups and given recommendations from the committee, well i understand that this draft law has already been discussed in other committees, in the committees of anti-corruption policy, social policy, and these committees too. many comments were made about the draft law, well, look, we are like that profile committee, we discuss everything in essence, ugh, and in fact our expertise, or expert advice, let’s say, people who

work in the national security and defense committee, well, as it is a profile committee, they are so deep that since thursday we even we did not start the review, that is , we gave advice, we worked in working groups, we... discussed, we discussed with the general staff, we discussed with the ministry of defense, with other ministries, including the ministry of finance, the ministry of social affairs, the ministry of vet and so on , and we haven't even started yet. to give this bill in the first reading, you said that government officials came to the committee, i understand that the human rights commissioner dmytro lubinets also came to the committee, please tell me what you decided with this proposal to limit the rights of citizens, if there is a man, a potential evader, there was also a proposal to significantly limit his rights, constitutional lawyers said that this is a significant violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, is the committee ready to support this idea, which... is now laid out in the draft law, and i told you before that that sooner than all in

recommendations, most likely, this is my opinion, i will personally vote for, we will recommend to exclude norms that contradict the constitution, that is, in fact, what was said by the representative, let's say to the human rights committee, dmytro lyubinets, and we, in fact, well, i will personally support and we... plus submitted our proposals that need to be cleaned up as not in accordance with the constitution of ukraine, so tomorrow, when there will be votes for recommendations, we will see how stakeholders, in our case the ministry defense and the general staff listened to the proposal of lubinets and mine, including the committee, or those deputies who will vote for, that is, for these recommendations, i have one last question, we are attaching it. another one of your colleagues , but look, when this first version of this bill was published,

your colleague in the past, people's deputy ihor lutsenko, he proposed such an option in order to show, so to speak, his willingness to defend the country by his own example, 10% of deputies of the verkhovna rada, there, as if you were among yourselves determined, it is not important, mobilized as well, how do you feel about such a proposal that 10% of deputies go to the front? but look, we have a war, and in fact every family was affected by mobilization, i have a brother in my family today, he is in the zaporizhzhia direction, and we have two men in the family, me and him, and my parents, disabled people of the first and second groups, the father generally has a stroke after two strokes, the mother does not walk, and the brother is currently in the ranks of the zsu in the zaporizhzhia direction, therefore... in every family, and there are some, some families even have the dead, we have our colleagues, where the brother went

, let's say, to the front, he has already died , so believe me, every family today is affected by this mobilization, and in fact the war, and i am sure that where there are brothers, sisters and so further, well, it means that where there are families with many children, i think that there are mobilized and i am sure that many people, let's say, are in advanced positions in the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine, but at the same time, every deputy who wants to volunteer , calmly, can mobilize, we have such examples, and perform combat tasks of the armed forces of ukraine, this is not a problem for every deputy, but believe me, every deputy fulfills his mission, both diplomatically and, for example, like me and some colleagues, we are engaged in this. agreements or supplies of ammunition

directly from our partners from different countries of the world. thank you very much for your comment. vadym ivchenko, people's deputy, batkivshchyna faction, representative of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence, and we are joined by another people's deputy, oleksiy goncharenko, european solidarity, representative of the budget committee. good evening. good evening. i am a representative of the budget committee, but today i was at the meeting of the national security committee all day, as the author of the alternative bill. i actually said at the beginning that as of today there are five draft laws on mobilization, one by the government, four by deputies, and you are the author of one of these four. let's face it, what doesn't suit you in the government's draft law and what radically different things do you propose in yours? well, the main differences are: first, the length of service, by the way, i... it was a year ago that i first introduced a bill to define the length of service, and it still hasn't been done, and the very

fact that finally the government recognized that this must be done in this government bill, i consider it a victory already, but the 36 months that is proposed, i consider it wrong, especially for those who are directly fighting on zero, well on zero and 36 months, well it is unrealistic from all points of view , so i propose... next 18 months, today, by the way, we are in committee discussed when i also presented my alternative bill, there is such a preliminary conversation that different conditions for the battle should be written down. those who served directly at zero, as well as you who were in toll units, because in the toll unit to serve 36 months is one thing, in combat, at zero, 36 months is completely different, that is, the first difference, the term of service, i i suggest that it should be less, especially for those who are directly at zero, secondly, this is the situation regarding conscripts, again, i have been seeking

their demobilization for a long time, they are in their fourth year are serving, and it already looks more like slavery than service, the fourth year, and... the government in its draft law proposes to release them within two months, the third is persons with disabilities, the government draft proposal proposes to mobilize disabled people of the third group, well , through the vlk, through, but to give such a right, i consider it absolutely wrong, and my draft law envisages leaving it. persons with disabilities of the third group, too, and by the way , the ministry of defense today during the discussions at the committee supported this position, i hope that this issue will be reflected in the final decision, and in addition to not mobilizing disabled persons of the third group, i also propose to give the right to dismissal to disabled persons of the third group, because today they

do not have such a right , and well, the first and second , of course, too, by the way, they don't have such a right today either. and well, the fourth cut is probably an important difference there - it is deferred for those who obtain the next level of education, it says in one specialty today, and it is very kind the soviet norm, because if a person , for example, is an it specialist there, he may have studied mathematics there, and today he is taking a master’s degree in it, and this is not a scheme, this is absolutely not the story when a 40-year-old man with a higher education leaves to study at ktu , as if to... push back and dodge, but here it is a completely different situation, so i propose to leave it too, and of course to remove these norms that contradict the constitution, not to give the opportunity to the tsc to actually take away all rights in conditionally - what a man, it seems to me very much it is also dangerous from the point of view of corruption, and this is a violation of the constitution, these are the basic norms, and

where it seems that at least part of what is proposed in my alternative draft law may be reflected. oleksiy, how do you feel about the idea of ​​sending 10% of deputies to the front, an idea, let me remind you, voiced by your colleague, ihor lutsenko, who was a deputy of the previous convocation and is now a military man. when the full-scale invasion began, i took up arms and joined the territorial defense until the russian troops were pushed back from kyiv. and next, i think, excuse me, that well , let's take the 10% that is there yes... that's how many 40 people, 30 or 40 yes, well, if we take, if we take only from men of the appropriate age, then it will be 25 people, if we take from 10% of all in a row, that’s 40 people, to be honest , let’s be honest, 40 people will change absolutely nothing at the front, a people’s deputy has a specific and important job, in general, all these conversations, well, let’s bring

the president, well, let him go to the grenade launchers, well to show an example or something, or we have 20 cabinet members. ministers, let's give 10% two ministers, well, each of them has his own work, regarding my attitude, i said, when the invasion began, i took my weapon and left, i did not hide anywhere, and i did not leave kyiv anywhere, but today it seems to me, even including offering these norms, protecting the rights of military personnel, and working on laws, i am doing the work that thousands of people authorized me to do, by voting for me and sending me to the verkhovna rada, did you hear me? you, as a representative of the budget committee, i cannot but ask you about money, we heard at the press conference volodymyr zelenskyy said that one issue is to ensure fair, just rules of mobilization, another issue is where to get the money if 400-500 people join the army, do you have any idea where to get the money?

i have no such idea, i will tell you frankly, but i also have no understanding at all. i do not understand this talk about 400-5000 people at all, i think that the first thing should be the question of strategy, what are we doing, if our strategy is to storm the concrete lines of the russians through minefields, we will not have enough 400 thousands of people, not a million 400, well, this is a completely wrong strategy, and we cannot fight with russia with the number of people, well then we will definitely lose, they are five times more than us, and the strategy should be completely different, ours. .. just the strategy should be to keep people, in general, if you ask me as a representative of the budget committee, i will tell you that i am very concerned, i am very concerned when in the budget the department of ... defense, their budget for 24th year uah 1.16/3, of which almost 80%, more than uah 800 billion, is monetary support, for the entire

for the purchase of weapons, for their repair, for the purchase of ammunition, 260 billion uah, these are wrong priorities, what will happen and what will it give us if we bring 400 thousand people, already give them spears, we will give them spears like in the middle ages, well, okay, soviet kalashnikov assault rifles from the warehouse what will they do if we don't have drones , shells and equipment, that's why i don't understand this approach in principle, let 's recruit as many people as possible, the approach should be on me, and what is our strategy, and now in this strategy it is obvious that we do not accept any loss in a ratio of less than one to eight with the russians, simply because we are much smaller than them, and than them, and the next question is what we are doing, what resources are needed for this, and the pyramid must be turned upside down. it is better for us to have fewer soldiers, but coolly equipped, with cool weapons and with the necessary amount of ammunition, or to have many soldiers with

kalashnikovs in the trench with a shovel, well, this is definitely the wrong way. i am very grateful to you for your comment, oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy, european solidarity, member of the budget committee and also the author one of the bills of the alternative on mobilization. thank you very much. well, while the draft law on mobilization is being discussed in the verkhovna rada, other ideas are fleetingly appearing, how to attract people to the army and, in parallel, how to attract money to the economy. the publication of forms the other day, citing a source in the president's office, wrote that the office was seriously considering the idea of ​​dismissing men who officially have high salaries and can properly pay taxes to the budget, although the president did not publicly ... comment on this idea, well and timothy instead milovanov, a member of the supervisory board of ukroboronprom, voiced another idea, this is already public, he proposed holding

a mobilization lottery, this is when, for example, a date is chosen randomly and all men born on that day must be mobilized, this is an idea from the united states, but actually about this mobilization lottery and the so-called military armor for money, what do ukrainians think about it, we asked the residents of kyiv about it, you can leave your answers in the comments, and you can listen to the answers of the people we talked to below. in the president's office is discussing the option of not mobilizing men who earn from uah 34,000 and pay taxes properly. another option is 66 hryvnias, it's about hired workers, give it away, it's not about phobes, it's still an idea, but do you support the introduction of such a rule? the economy has to work first, but who needs all that if we lose this war, and we're going to lose this war because of shortages. personnel due to lack of mobilization, it will divide society and it will turn out that war is only for the poor, and the rich can redeem themselves. if a person

is useful in his workplace and it also goes to the benefit of the war, then please pay some reserve or whatever it is called, and it works, the benefit is in the person who knows how to do something well and brings profit and the person buys the guys jeeps, there for the armed forces, drones up to... they are always trying to take this person away, to teach them about military affairs, when they do not know how to do it, it is necessary to spend time, resources and so on, because there is no way she can get a salary, for example, to cancel the mobilization somehow, to free you , well, for me this is nonsense, it seems to me that the economy will recover when the war ends, but the war will end when we go to the front, in social networks there is currently another option being discussed, such as mobilization by drawing lots or lottery, for example. they will choose a random number and all men born on that day must be mobilized, how acceptable do you think that is? and

a man who will have nine, six or four children, he must also fall into this lottery, but now they are talking about it, it's about the fact that nothing happens that easily, people have to decide for themselves, i can't do it in such a hurry, but really, look at the situation. if not us, then who? is it just some kind of absurdity or what? well, for example, if such an option were really discussed there at the level of the authorities , would you seriously laugh that the authorities would go to the lottery of people in their country? well, this is really funny, was this used in the usa during the vietnam war? then the usa, and now ukraine, our enemy is not vietnam, but our enemy is russia. it's a circus, it won't happen, it's you... it's on the internet and will remain on social networks, well, it’s just funny, well, yes, they come up with such children ’s problems and children’s solutions for

them, i, well, i... according to yes, well, mobilization should take place, well, how, let’s say, according to the law, and she, she should be fair to everyone, you know , it reminds me of the hunger games, no, i don't, i don't think that's a good idea either, actually, well, it's absurd, honestly, how do you imagine it, no way , well , it's absurd, well, it's just comments, i understand that society is already worried very badly to all these challenges that we face today, questions... now mobilizations, someone, well, we see how there is someone fleeing abroad every day, now they are increasing the surveillance of this, they are still fleeing there, and of course people as a result of this, they are already writing, let’s just draw lots, if you can’t decide how to mobilize correctly with 25 or 27 or something else, just let’s draw lots, well, this is an absurd idea, it seems to me that there is no point in commenting on it, the ministry of defense is terminating

contracts for companies that are related family lviv businessman ihor hrynkevich. deputy minister of defense vitaly polovenko stated this today. ihor hrynkevich himself is currently, let me remind you, in a pre-trial detention center. a preventive measure was chosen for him almost under the christmas tree on december 30. well, a day earlier, he was detained for trying to bribe one of the heads of the investigative department of the sbi in the amount of $500,000. in return, according to the sbi, the businessman wanted to return the property that was seized during the investigation into his procurement of equipment for the armed forces. in general, according to the investigators, the lviv companies are businessmen who specialize, please note, in construction, won 23 tenders for the supply of clothing to the ministry of defense for over uah 1.5 billion. however, many contracts were allegedly not fulfilled, some contracts were not fulfilled in full or at inflated prices, which, according to preliminary estimates, caused losses to the ministry of defense in the amount of uah 1 billion. this was announced in the dbr. what is the position of the case. well, the position is that

after the publication of the article, what was covered in our mass media was immediately accepted by the ministry of defense decision, decision regarding termination, tearing, tearing of those contracts that were previously concluded by the ministry of defense. the company of the family of the grynkevich family, which previously appeared repeatedly in criminal proceedings and journalistic ... investigations, not only supplied goods for the armed forces, but, as i have already said, mainly engaged in construction, including large-scale construction. in the fall of the 23rd edition of our money, it was written that the company of ihor hrynkevich's son roman won the tender for the construction of a citizens' security center on lviv oblast for uah 33 million. as the journalists established at the time, the cost of a number of building materials was one and a half times higher than the market price. son hrynkevich's company also received a tender for the reconstruction

of the school in the village last fall. lviv oblast at a cost of uah 115 million. the client in both cases was the lviv regional state administration. currently, the head of the lviv region maksym kozytskyi, who signed the memorandum and took joint photos with the businessman hrynkevich, said that he was not involved in any possible illegal activities of hrynkevich in the ministry of defense, but at the same time kozytskyi admitted that that he signed contracts with hrenkevich's companies, even though criminal proceedings were opened against them. well, returning to a, let's listen, by the way, we have kozytskyi's direct speech. first of all, i emphasize that neither i nor the lviv regional military administration have anything to do with the possible illegal activities of ihor hrynkevich in procurement of the ministry of defense. if such activity took place, then law enforcement agencies and the court should give a legal assessment to him and all those persons who cooperated with him. the guilty

must suffer the most severe punishment. punishment, i officially declare that, as the head of the lviv ova, i did not introduce ihor hrynkevich to officials of the ministry of defense of ukraine and did not in any way promote his cooperation with the ministry of defense of ukraine. well, returning to corruption in the ministry of defense, as the minister of defense rustem umyerov said the previous evening, during the last four months, during the internal audit in the structures of the ministry of defense, it was possible to discover corruption violations worth 10 billion. yuriy nikolov, journalist and founder of the project our money, i would say, joins our broadcast such a contract supervisor in the ministry of defense. good evening, greetings to all, good evening. look, today the representative of the ministry of defense announced that the ministry of defense is terminating contracts with companies connected with the family of the lviv businessman hrynkevich. and you didn't check, they already broke up, because the journalists wrote that at the moment...