in social networks, and not only in social networks, but also in society, because the norms proposed in this bill affect those who are conscripted, including those who are abroad, according to the government bill , it was proposed to force those who located abroad, undergo certain procedural actions in territorial centers. equipment or pass a military medical board, and if they did not, according to the government bill, their bank cards would be blocked, all real estate activities were would be limited, and there were also a number of preventive measures that, according to the logic of the authors of this government bill, would force conscripts from... to return to

the territorial recruitment centers, today the deadline for submitting alternative bills has expired, but literally yesterday the members of the committee on of national security and defense or the day before yesterday, and they were thinking about what to do with this bill, and they came to the conclusion that this government bill contains very... many provisions to which there are comments first in members of the parliamentary committee on national security and defense for preliminary information 73 comments to 73 pages of this draft law have representatives of the parliamentary committee on national security and defense, and therefore it is obvious on the day of consideration or on the day of submission of this official... presentation

of the draft law to the verkhovna rada of ukraine, obviously there will be more than just a representative of the ministry of defense of ukraine and the chief of the armed forces of ukraine, because the first thing is to understand by what logic in 2024 rotation will occur at the front and in what way this rotation will occur. my editor has already told me that... yehor firsov, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, is on the phone. mr. yehor, i congratulate you. thank you for joining our broadcast. thank you and i wish everyone good health. mr. yehor, i started the conversation and our big evening with the situation on the eastern front and quoted the bilt about the fact that the germans write that putin's winter offensive in ukraine has failed, russia is just as far from capturing kupyansk and avdiivka, which... three

months ago, how is the situation on the eastern front now, where are you? well, i just recently returned from a service leave, the situation looks like this: on the one hand, bil wrote very correctly that the enemy is suffering heavy losses, the enemy is defeated , the russians lost a huge amount of equipment and personnel directly in avdiivka, i don’t know how it is on kup yana direction, well , nevertheless... nevertheless, the situation remains tense, and first of all, the enemy is now firing all kinds of missiles at the front-line cities, pokrovsk, mirnograd, selidovo and the rest, well , i think it’s not a secret, i’ll say that it’s clear that this is the rear, the rear is important, the enemy is healing, rear points, but not logistical points, there are personnel and so on, reserve

, and... the enemy has no success, but it is constantly attacking several times a day, so that the people of kyiv understand me there conditionally, but there was an attack, i was in kyiv at that time on vacation on january 1, well, only similar attacks are more widespread and several times a day, and now the enemy is trying to advance in the avdiiv direction, what kind of wave is he preparing, i lost count, despite the difficult weather conditions, and now we have about, let me tell you, somewhere -17, our drones are flying, and here we are brotherly, well brotherly, let 's say yes, our unit in the avdiyiv direction destroyed the soncepek today, well , this is roughly how the situation looks, mr. yehor, on your facebook page you wrote about the fact that the enemy is enough'. vno is now attacking

the rear of the front, all logistics routes and logistics hubs that are behind the front or near front and offered. but that part of these logistics centers, infrastructure in general , should still be located underground, that is, to create certain underground towns where it will be safe for those who help those who are on the front, and we are talking not only about the front-line zone, but in general in ukraine, because we see that the enemy over the last two weeks is very... actively, massively hitting factories, hitting military-industrial facilities, military facilities, it is clear that in some , in some perspective we could not to create all these logistics so quickly, although

these are underground, the underground infrastructure that you write about and which you discuss is actively used in the middle east, where it is the same. hamas created these underground passages, which until now the israeli army cannot do anything with them, because they produce weapons and store weapons there, as much as possible, and i will help the ukrainian state to create something similar, because we have talked with you many times that russia will always be by our side, and everything to us one will have to somehow create some kind of infrastructure that could survive. next to such an aggressive country as russia? well, 100% it must be done, there is no other way , i expressed this opinion because i am watching, i am at the front and i am watching the situation, and so we really need to make underground cities

for military infrastructure to protect our reserves, our rear, logistics part, there is no other way, you know, i don’t know... only the enemy of missiles, i speak frankly, at all from the word at all, i do not deal with this analytical work, we were once told that the enemy had well-known experts, who were doing their youtube broadcasts, that the enemy had missiles for a month or something like that, well, i don’t, i don’t remember exactly, but they convinced ukrainian society, that soon the enemy will no longer have missiles, as we see the enemy has missiles. yes, i don't know if they produce it themselves, or buy it there in north korea, or something, it doesn't make sense, there is only one factor: the enemy will continue to hit the rear, in all the cities, and in order to save the lives of the soldiers, you have to forget about

the soldiers being in the houses, on some floors, just in some locations there. on the territory of tents and so on, it is necessary to move everyone underground, and then, in principle , enemy shelling will not have such a military meaning, so they will continue to hit the infrastructure, we will not get anywhere, for this there is air defense, it protects us, that’s it on various water supply lines and so on, making life difficult for us, but they will not have military success, moreover, i want to say that there are... good locations, especially in donetsk region, where a rocket cannot even theoretically hit these locations, for example, there are thickets, behind the hills, special locations where there are quarries that once mined subsoil, and so on, so it

must be done monotonously, gradually , but to do, and it was here that you mentioned palestine, israel, and it was the conversation with the commander, one of the commanders of the israeli army, that did not push her to do this, because if the palestinians were able to make underground cities for their own infrastructure, well, we are worse than the palestinians, we are stupider, we are poorer, no, me i think not, the ukrainians are smart enough, and i think that the authorities will have enough intelligence to gradually start building such cities, because that 's all, in general, one of the american generals there once said that war is logistics... logistics, logistics once again , the enemy slaps the back of the head for a reason, because he wants to undermine morale, he wants you to heal the warehouses and so on, without a rear, especially without a military rear, and the battle on the front line turns into a mere formality, because

there is no bull carriage, there are no reserves, they shackles and so on, that is why the military infrastructure is protected underground , this is in general, i would say the foundation of the foundations, mr. yehor, these days the verkhovna rada of ukraine has to consider the bill on mobilization, an important issue for the whole society and the first for those who are on the front , since it is this draft law that is planned to regulate the issue of demobilization of people who are in the armed forces of ukraine. what, what is expected from this law at the front, that is, are there any expectations, are there any conversations about how it all should happen, and it is clear that this is a matter of life and death for many people, and it is clear that this cannot be avoided, that is, mobilization cannot be... avoided, we have already talked about it in previous programs, how it should all

happen, appeared information that this bill, which is in the government, will undergo significant changes in the committee on national security and defense, i do not even rule out that the bill will be returned to the ministry of defense for revision, that is, the delay of this bill, the adoption of this bill for various reasons, not those norms, there are none a political decision, there is no one... to take responsibility for what is written in this draft law, how will it affect those who stand at the front? well, i'll tell you, we don't follow up on these vagaries of legislative initiatives, there's just no time, but of course this is an important issue for us, it's important from the point of view that all military personnel need at least some clarity, at least some, as much as those who survived. .. well , he will live, let's be honest until this moment, but how much one way or another the military

will have to fight, especially who left volunteer, people need to rest , people need to recover, i'm telling you this as a unit sergeant-major, in fact the deputy commander, because when a unit is fresh, it shows much more combat effectiveness, when a unit is demoralized, tired it is... tired, tired trenches, shelling, it is very difficult to expect anything from the military, because he is, well, just physically and psychologically tired, that is why it is important for us, in this front, it is important to say that guys, bear with you to fight for as long as it takes, a year, two, three, more, it doesn't matter, it's important to have some clarity and perspective, and during this time you will be replaced by, well, other guys. demobilization is important, you can call it whatever you want, but it depends significantly on

mobilization, because someone will have to come to replace us or others, and who will come, what will be the quality of the training of these fighters, it it's also a big question, because believe me, the guys don't really want to, well , let's say keep... the position, but for someone else to come later, weaker, unfired, unprepared there, and surrender these positions, that's fine a terrible dream, let's say so, for us , moreover, i will frankly tell you, conditionally, conditionally, if tomorrow there is to ensure this demobilization, to say, guys, whoever wants to, go home, i'll tell you frankly, i don't think that a huge number of soldiers will leave, i think that means ... for some of the guys, a large part of the guys, at least, with whom i serve, in spite of everything, but you know, but

they will remain in the armed forces of ukraine, i don't know, how much for someone there , it's terrible news, but nevertheless, they found themselves, they became professional soldiers, they receive a good salary, and many other factors, so of course this issue is very, very important, nevertheless. we would like you, you know, not to use us in such a way that here you come, volunteers, especially volunteers, well done, fight there until you finish, we would still like some clarity, a state strategy, and how are we going to be behave tomorrow a year later there and then. thank you, mr. yehor, for the conversation and for including the espresso tv channel on the air, it was yehor, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine firsov. friends, we are working. live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who

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greetings, mr. serhiy, very glad to join the air, as usual. thank you for the invitation , mr. valentyn, today volodymyr zelenskyi held a meeting of the supreme commander-in-chief, and what volodymyr zelenskyi reported was that the commanders of the main directions and operations were present in person, together with them, the general staff of the ministry of defense, the ministry of strategic industry and the ministry of digital industry discussed in detail the topic of securing the front shells and drones, actual costs, daily need, division between units, systems. analyzed current and future contracts, help from partners, own production, in particular opening new ones lines, we are doing everything to provide the soldiers with everything they need to complete their tasks, other important air defense issues, analyzed the latest russian strikes and the effectiveness of the air force agreed on our next steps to strengthen the protection of cities, communities, enterprises

and critical infrastructure facilities. mr. valentin, we see that... the military command, the political command of ukraine raises questions about the future of the military-industrial complex, we are talking about shells and drones. i know that you have been studying questions and works for several decades military-industrial complex of ukraine. you know the situation in the military industry in detail. let's start with what ukraine currently possesses, so that the secrets are not on the air,... but still, what capabilities do we possess now, do we have such capabilities, before we were a state with a large missile potential, we created rockets, and most of the rockets of the soviet union seem to have been produced in the dnipro by our designers, has this been preserved, can it be restored and in what perspective? well, first

it is very important, it is extremely important that the supreme commander-in-chief takes care of these issues... it is a very, very important situation, and in fact, the stake has now taken place in the form in which we proposed six months ago to create a military-industrial commission, in which the president had b two deputies, one is the chief military officer, that is, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, and the other is the chief industrialist, and now we see, well, actually for the first time such a situation when, well , the military-industrial commission can create it, it can not create it, but ... well, no created, well, such a case, but the fact that it is being carried out in this form, it just shows that the absolutely correct approach is being developed now, but unfortunately, it is being developed against the background, so to speak, of negative lessons, including this physical protection enterprises and what we sometimes know, well, let's say

this, not in detail, and it's good that it's not in detail, yes, but... it indicates that there were a lot of shortcomings in this regard with regard to the physical protection of enterprises, and especially not even in the physical, even protect to dig in there, yes to do there underground, the fact that a lot of information was walking freely, and because of this, let's say, information got to the traitors, or to those who played along with the traitors, and this information. i was just pointing out, well, i want to remind you that our missile enterprises have been preserved and missile capabilities have developed very strongly, ukraine has mastered such programs that it has never carried out, let's say, it has never developed and produced anti-aircraft missile systems, it is now being done , created a drone school

all of them, both air, land, and sea , are very powerful, but... but again, again, this is the situation, well, missile capabilities, they were demonstrated, back in the 14th year, neptune demonstrated the cable, and only in the 16th, the poroshenko government at the nsdc approved the missile program, there were also delays, unfortunately, since when the government changed, well, i can give an example, here you are... you remembered that i communicated with the defense complex, yes , yes, yes, let's say, from the 18th year i tried to start, i gathered everyone to the expert council. workers at that time of aviation complexes, i.e. unmanned aircraft complexes and unmanned ground complexes, then there were six

main aviation ones, three main ones on the ground, but today information appeared from fedorov, the vice-prime minister and minister of digital transformation, that the nrk was contracted for the first time, that is, a ground robotic complex saber, and i ask myself, i am glad of course. that robots will appear in our army and that robots will be the first to come, and then people, but i also ask the saber, and the hunter, and various others there, there were many of them by more than one and a half dozens were ready in the 18th year, i brought the deputy minister of defense myronyuk, he seemed to say that it was interesting, but did nothing, the ukroboronprom of abramavichyus and then gusev came, and nothing was done, no one. did not want to do anything, although interesting projects were proposed, to combine the efforts of the state and private e structures to make such shock complexes, to speed up their

creation and production, well, it is good that at least in the 24th we came to this, regarding ammunition industry, well, in general, the situation is strange, but it is was strange for a very long time, i remember when uh... at one of the arms exhibitions at idex, i am afraid to remember, idex 2001, and then, unfortunately, the director of the impuls shostkinsky enterprise, yevgen chernov, one of the best experts in the ammunition industry , he told me for two hours how the ammunition industry needs to be restored and how much money is needed for it, if they had started then, well, there would not be such a mess, of course, but now... we have to catch up with all these, all these opportunities and, let's say, becomes even more important military-technical cooperation. here is a nice thing about the government, let's say, it is very important that

after a trip to the united states, an extreme, let's say, visit, zelenskyi's team brought two big projects, very interesting, this is the frankensam project, this is the creation or adaptation of an anti-aircraft missile complex. of soviet production, primarily the bukis-300 for western missiles, this is an extremely important, important project that has worked and production actually exists, plus two american companies have begun to cooperate in the production of 155mm ammunition, in total there were five enterprises in ukraine that could have been involved before the large-scale invasion. that is, they produced ammunition or their elements. and i'm not even counting the shostkin impulse or the shostkin star here. the star is generally there, it

was dead due to the neglect of the state for a long time. but, but the enterprises that produced and were in very good, athletic shape, let 's say, i won't name them, one state-owned, four private. that is, there are initial opportunities in ukraine, there is something to be said about, now ukraine created from scratch during an already large-scale war, a school of naval drones was created, this is actually a very big achievement, and it shows that the scientific base and capabilities of ukrainian designers are extremely high, see general gavrilyuk, deputy minister of defense. who takes care of armaments, during an interview with reuters in december 23rd, the reuters agency noted that

the ministry of defense is looking into the purchase of an anti-aircraft missile complex of its own production, he called it a coral for some reason, but the coral was 30-40 km away, maybe confused, or maybe they changed the names somehow, because and... the complex, he says about the range of 100 km, it’s very good, it’s very cool, and again, the only caveat is that advanced projects existed in 2016, the corresponding kb protected three advanced projects, for the close-range army complex , for the naval complex, it was called coral, 30-40 km in range, and for the complex 100 km in range, until the 23rd year, for some reason, no one was interested in this, the question, why, well, on unfortunately, we relied on western partners completely. and

in everything, yes, history testifies and, and history does not only the present, but the even greater story of today is that you can't rely completely, you have to diversify projects, and you have to insist on joint productions. now i want to say a little about vts and what our western partners provide us. look, literally... a few hours ago it became known from one of the deputies of the german bundestag, marcus marcus marcus fabber, that the german company flensburger far zeukbau has started building a service center for german equipment in ukraine already in ukraine, and this is a very huge strategic news, positive, why,

because... a country that partners would try to leave without military-technical assistance, or to limit assistance, they would not enter ukraine at such a time and would not build such complexes, and this shows that that the european aid will be 100%, it will be, as i think, that the congress has started to work, and there are already the first results that the democrats and republicans have agreed. regarding the views on the protection of the borders there, i.e. the issue of the borders with mexico, which prevented us from going to the vote on aid for ukraine and for israel, so yes right there, i think that the question of quality, the quality of help , literally appeared again a few hours ago, is unblocked, it is clear that in this situation.

we are all waiting for the decision of the congress of the united states of america to open this big funding of 61 billion dollars, and we have a lot of questions for our western partners, and they obviously have these questions for us, but still, when we we talk about the latest technologies, about how we are keeping up with the war, or not keeping up, because the russian the federation in this situation is trying to quickly reorient all its... capacities for production, well, besides weapons and fear, russia does not produce anything else in the world, i.e., well, let's say, it is trying to generate this fear and a large number of weapons. there was information about this shakhead 238, which seems to have a jet engine and its speed is 500 km/h, already in the air forces of the armed forces of ukraine they do not

confirm the downing of this one. shahed, although this was stated publicly by communications officer serhiy flesh, and this too, well, the question is, how and in what way should we keep up with our needs, because it is clear that russia is a country with more resources, it can produce more, it is not under fire, when you say that the germans have built production facilities for the repair of military equipment, the question always arises, how is everything? to organize under constant shelling, under constant massive shelling of the military infrastructure that is in ukraine, so how, how to deal with it? well, first of all, the germans have a huge experience of organizing such productions in the years 42, 43, 44 of the last century, yes, and in by the way, there are enterprises in ukraine, well, for example, in dnipro

there are enterprises that... four floors below the ground, yes there are such defense ones, in general they were previously integrated into the military industry of the ussr, so the experience and capabilities are such, and they must be used, as for technologies, well, yes , it is clear that the axis of evil has taken shape and north korea is already helping with missiles, and maybe iran will also help... these shaheds are newer, they were already demonstrated to minister shaig of russia back in september, on september 23 -th year, when he went there, so the question is yes not easy for ukraine, but look, everything is fine, on some issues ukraine is ahead of the curve, just a few days ago it was...