and leave the borders of ukraine, well , just in case, ms. victoria, please, well, if the question was already asked, by the way, i apologize for the communication, because there were problems with wi-fi, and if the question was about anti-corruption examination, then surely i, as a member of the committee on anti-corruption policy, should still focus on these aspects, because really, this is not a very good conclusion, and it is probably also not good that... the ministry of defense agreed with the comments and admitted, that there are corruption risks in the draft law, and this means that they wrote it very quickly, although the draft law is very complex and has high social significance, and it was probably necessary to work on it more carefully. among such risks, we are talking about the forms of legal uncertainty that exist there, because you know, well... what is the value of the rule that the head

of the tsc can himself enter or exclude someone from the register of debtors, and you know that the register will be expanded , by the way, this bill will also be considered in the verkhovna rada these days, and the electronic register will be entered all the data on all conscripts, and there, for example, there may be information about the use of a car, so that if... but this right is taken away, accordingly , the head of the cec himself, the head of the tsc himself will determine who he deprives of such a right, from which of these registers does he remove these data, it is obvious that this can simply open the cash register again for the tsk in some other dimension, in relation to the charges of conscripts, as well as, well, there are a lot of unfinished norms, such as, for example, what the organs local self-governments are obliged to...

ensure the arrival of conscripts to the shopping center, in general, well, this is a strange rule, since local self-government bodies do not even have the right to check documents, they are not law enforcement agencies, how should this be done, this the mayor personally, should someone be arrested there or who, who, who, strictly speaking, if the power functions are uncharacteristic of them, that is why , strictly speaking, due to these shortcomings, questions were asked to the representatives of the ministry of defense, they were on... the committee, they recognized the presence such things and they said that it will be finalized by a working group, in principle, the committee discussed that it might be resubmitted, but as far as i understand, a decision was made, this bill with the comments of the defense committee, i hope that the comments of our the committee, still send it to the hall with the obligation to accept these remarks before the second reading, well , this was the situation according to the remarks. thank you,

mrs. evgenia, is it clear now which of the draft laws your faction will vote for? because i know that the select committee has said that they have up to 72 pages of comments, 72 comments on this bill, the government's bill obviously should not be taken as the bill which is... the bill of the whole team, the conditional team of the servant of the people, which is in power, if i understand it correctly, well , the specialized committee is working now, it continues to work, because today no decision was made and the meeting will continue tomorrow after lunch, but still the colleagues from the specialized committee, who i actually agree, have to accumulate the comments of various committees, they worked out the basic one by themselves.

the draft law, the one that was submitted to the ministry of defense, the cabinet of ministers, and it was on it that the committees followed, let's be frank others, and not only anti-corruption, well, thank you for this elaboration, but also social policy and the health of the nation, they also passed on their comments, it is really important to accumulate them now, to bring them together so that when voting in the first reading we already understand what... the changes will obviously be in certain articles, and well, no one here, i think, now in the parliament, including the chairman of the verkhovna rada, will not say what the final version will be, meaning the version that will go to the president of ukraine for signature, and it seems to me that the verkhovna rada is a good platform with this consideration in detail, by various committees, first of all, of course, profile. on finalization and they listened

to the arguments of the ministry of defense, the general staff, why this or that norm appeared, again there are remarks of the authority. on issues of human rights of the verkhovna rada, by the way, which of them provided, there definitely cannot be any corruption norms in the final version of the draft law, very much, but you have to understand that it is not even about strengthening, it is a continuation of mobilization and its, well, i would say, a certain modernization, and mobilization must definitely go together with recruiting and understanding of such people that in... when they get into the armed forces, their best skills will be there , well, they will be seen and the best application will be found for this or that profession that a person possesses, and this must also be understood,

that without the continuation of mobilization, without the fact that new people are trained and come to the army, those who are now... on the front line, those who are in the trenches right now, there will be no one to replace them, so this, well, in fact, the question of the survival of ukraine, the survival of the nation, there must be such political maturity here, and well, for all the constructiveness of colleagues from other factions, we are grateful, but you mentioned political maturity, and why is the commander-in-chief not the leader of this political process the armed forces of ukraine, that is, why the government introduces... a bill, not volodymyr zelenskyi? well, as far as i'm concerned, this is absolutely normal practice, that the ministry of defense together with the general staff undertook to establish it. it seems to me that it would be better if this work with the verkhovna rada began, well, a little earlier, so that, no, no, the deputies did not already read,

in fact, in the registered version of the websites of the verkhovna rada, the final result, and here are the consultations, they can we were... conducted earlier, but the ministry of defense can make these recommendations in this way, because it is absolutely normal they constantly work with the military, who also have to have their say, and by the way , as far as i understand, not only representatives of the ministry of defense, but the general staff will and can present the draft law in the verkhovna rada. thank you, ms. evgenia, sir. andriy, i have a question for you as a lawyer, you have obviously already studied this draft law, and you can say whether it complies with the constitution, first of all, whether it complies with the laws that already exist, whether

any regulations will need to be changed constitution in order to the new law on mobilization has come into effect, let me try to explain a little bit of the bigger picture, i understand that you want very ... clear answers to clear questions, but we went, probably the worst case scenario, because you know, in any fight you have to not only to be strong, but also to make decisions quickly. the fact that we have problems with mobilization was clear that at the end of the 22nd year, although those who are tangential to this whole history know that from the 14th, and in the 19th , in the 20th, in we have always had problems with assembly centers and all this mechanics, i remember when i was still eight... years working in a very large commercial organization, i remember some absolutely terrible stories that we had in our relationship with the local warlord, not because someone did not want to do something, because in general everything was not settled , but unfortunately, in the 22nd year, everyone decided that we were doing well with mobilization, in fact, just

a bunch of volunteers went to the front and the assembly centers could easily collect some of their plans there, although at the end of the 22nd year it was already clear that we had problems. but only the media scandal in july of last year regarding the odesa military commissar drew attention to the fact that we have problems, and then, in the summer, nothing prevented the president of ukraine from convening the national security and defense council and making a historic decision to dismiss all the military commissars, because they were probably all bribers. well, perhaps volodymyr oleksandrovich does not know that the word integrity and professionalism are not synonymous, and to expel them all. it was probably a good idea, but it was from september that we started having huge problems, because there was no one to work, and when in november it was already clearly clear that difficult, possibly unpleasant decisions had to be made, the supreme commander-in-chief, who has all

the powers, according to the law on mobilization and mobilization preparation, where everything is written, he can absolutely conduct everything through the national security council and defense and through the decree of the president, this is all to enter. action, and what is needed there, the details should be finalized by laws, it would be possible to launch the verkhovna rada, but instead this entire huge bloc is sent, i understand, to the ministry defense it passes it through the cabinet of ministers and by christmas it is registered in the verkhovna rada, and now absolutely all departments, from the ministry of defense to the relevant committees of the verkhovna rada, recognize that not only 72 pages need correction, but not every paragraph on those 72 pages needs correction , at the same time, four more alternative draft laws have been submitted, whether someone likes them or not, but they must also be considered, and i would like to remind you that according to article 112 of the rules of procedure, every deputy must receive the conclusions of the profile within seven days

committee, on all bills that are put to the vote. we are talking to you now, i confirm this, that the specialized committee did not make any decision today, neither on the government bill, nor on the alternative ones, and tomorrow they will try not to improve the mobilization, sorry, to save the face of those who submitted the bill, because from the point from the point of view of logic. of the parliamentary mechanism, of course, it must be withdrawn, i mean the government mechanism, quickly introduce there, rewrite all the articles that were agreed with the profile committee, discussed with other committees, what sumer says, they agreed with corruption risks, all this must be integrated into the new draft law, because otherwise we will continue to waste time, because we, as a parliament, will follow the procedure, but the procedure of the parliament for consideration draft laws, the peacetime procedure, for us it may take another month, i don't know, one and a half or two, but whether our military has a month or

one and a half or two in order to improve the mobilization process, which, as i said, had to be improved a year ago, no, his no, that's why the situation is actually absolutely critical and it was deliberately created that way, and let me make the last remark, so that i don't forget, in order to make any difficult decision, you need to have the entire volume of information, and in order to make... on mobilization it is necessary to have access to a huge amount of secret military information, and believe me , perhaps only the deputies of the national security , defense and intelligence committee have such knowledge, and most of the deputies do not know at all what level of equipment we have, what level we have losses, how much time is spent on preparation, what budget is needed for one, the second, the third, the deputies do not know this and in these conditions they were put in a situation where they are obliged to adopt. a decision on which the defense capability of the country depends. trust me, it won't end well. i am ready

to support rational solutions, but it is absolutely impossible to vote for this bill now if we are going to be broken at the knee this week. it is not wiser what can be done to the supreme commander-in-chief, to take the lead in this matter. i think to spend it's all through the national security council, to be approved by presidential decree, and what details need to be approved in the verkhovna rada, let down. the details have already been worked out by the new draft law, and then maybe in the shortest possible time we will be able to restart the mobilization, on which the survival of the country actually depends. thank you, mr. andriy, ms. viktoria, i have a question for you, i see what you want to say, but i want to ask you a question on the contrary: you worked in the national security and defense council, you were the deputy secretary of the national security council, and about the fact that... mr. andriyu says that it is possible that the verkhovna rada of ukraine will follow the procedure, according to this procedure,

this draft law introduced by the government can be sent to the ministry of defense for revision, because it is very a lot of remarks, it cannot in principle be adopted there in the first reading, is it possible that this same law, or let's say, the norms of this law can be part of the presidential decree, which will be signed by zelenskyi and which will be put into effect. decision or otherwise, the decision of the national security service of ukraine entered into force presidential decree? serhiy, in fact, i will agree with my colleague here, the fact is that the law on mobilization, mobilization preparation, article four, it clearly states that both the terms and scope, as well as the order of mobilization, submitted to the verkhovna rada by the president of ukraine, are determined president of ukraine. it is obvious that the supreme commander-in-chief's rate is full. all the information, andrii said absolutely accurately, the verkhovna rada does not have such information,

neither about the number of casualties, nor about the needs of the various types of troops today, yes, about who today, who is directly in the military , who is in the rear, what is actually with the security forces, do we actually have a budget for the 500 thousand mobilized people we are talking about, and in fact even the general staff does not have this information, this is a very complex thing. during the war, such things should be taken care of by the supreme commander-in-chief, and this is extremely important, because there is all the information about the problem and there is an opportunity to do it professionally. to bring these things together, our faction voted for all mobilizations, moreover, there in the 14th-19th years we as a matter of fact, when we were in power, we carried out mobilization measures , there were eight waves of mobilization, we are ready to support mobilization if it is introduced in accordance with the law, in particular by the supreme commander-in-chief

and considered at stake, that is, it may be a law of ukraine, but who has it. .. submit, here i agree, here it is necessary to really show leadership in this process, well , the question is that the leader of the process should be the commander-in-chief, and not the prime minister of ukraine? well, obviously you know, well it's, let's be honest, yeah this is an attempt to transfer the unpopular measures today to the general staff, to the minister of defense, maybe even to the prime minister, and regarding whom there is... various information about the fact that maybe they will issue a couple of resignations, i don't want to talk about it now is to say, but in any case, you know, this issue is extremely sensitive for the country, it 's become such a hot topic that they're trying to jump over, it's wrong, because here you really need to tell the truth about the situation as it is, and you really need to, here

i already agree with mrs. yevgenia, it is necessary to seek encouragement, people need to be... motivated, yes, and for this they need to be shown that the state is doing absolutely everything possible to protect their lives, because it is about life and death in fact, yes, that is , about the lives of ukrainians, about a very large number of people, in fact, if we are now focusing, as states, on building fortifications, we are focusing on contactless combat as much as possible, on fpv drones, on robots, well, on all these systems that allow us not to lose people, then people are ... understand and probably then recruiting after all, it will happen a little bit on different principles, and not on who you know, the mayor has to go, grab a person and bring him somewhere, everyone has to go and look for people, well, you look at what is being done in the villages, there are no men there anymore, i i don't know where, it's the same in cities, that is, the situation is very complicated, and it

obviously needs to be resolved, because the military needs to be changed, and indeed we are suffering losses as a state, most of them are actually wounded. people who simply cannot return to the front, it is necessary to replace those who is many, who is at zero for a long time, these are indisputable things, but all this must be weighed, and really this method, you know, a whip, it is necessary, a whip, it is necessary with the gingerbread method, with incentives, incentives, also somehow so that it is not only batih. thank you, ms. victoria, ms. yevgenia, your political force has a majority in the parliament, can you? so be it that without european solidarity, without a voice , you can vote for this government bill in the first reading, well, in principle , nothing is stopping you, you already have fashionable majority or not, well, it seems to me that it is precisely in this difficult issue that it is necessary to consolidate the parliament as much as possible and find

some kind of variant of the norm, again , we can talk for a long time. about, well, there are some regulatory ways, how can it be , how can it not be, but in the end, after the second reading, it will be a certain document, which should reflect the best proposals from different committees from different factions, as far as i know, the factions are now also submit their proposals for improvement and modernization there certain norms, in order for this conclusion of the committee... of a profile, he took these proposals into account, and here, well, you can't say that it's only there, the mono majority needs to vote like that, because my colleague correctly pointed out, this is a question of the existence of the country and, well, finding answers , the answers to such complex questions will never be simple, but it is clear that the people's deputies, who will

make this or that decision, ultimately want and should explain it. society, what is this norm, it is here because, or this norm, i don't know, well, let's assume which concerns people with disabilities there, it will be changed in this way, well, i understand that the main unification in this situation is a common position, because mobilization is the future of our ukraine, our state, our common future, and without it, of course, not to get by, i just... i meant that, if suddenly there are a lot of comments on this draft law, or whether there is a decision of the faction there, the servants of the people, that we all vote for it, or what? is this a political decision, because it is a political decision, despite the fact that it is a military-political one, but in this case it exclusively a political decision

, which must be adopted, because the state cannot live in any other way, well, clearly, we have a faction meeting planned, it is planned after the committee meeting, in order to ultimately understand the final conclusion of the profile committee, but clearly, our faction will make decisions in a consolidated manner. and it is obvious that we will be guided by the conclusion of the profile committee, because the chairman of our faction and the chairman of the committee, he is a representative of the servant of the people, is there and participates in it, and well, i think we have to trust the decision of the specialized committee, including because of what the colleagues said, because they have more complete information, by the way, these meetings took place in the regime, well, in such a closed regime for a reason, because... there is certain sensitive information the dsc and actually all the members of the committee have these permissions and they could develop each and every question in more detail, so

i personally will be guided by the decision of the specialized committee. thank you, ms. evgenia, ladies and gentlemen, after a short break on our tv channel, we will return to the studio, it will be a short pause, wait. hello, this is svoboda ranok, an informational project of radio svoboda. top guests every day. this is the shipping district, kherson. turn on live. we are somewhere in the vicinity of bakhmut. we tell the main thing. on weekdays at 9:00. friends, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us on these platforms,

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the voting and decision-making regarding the law on mobilization will actually take place, but at the same time, well, obviously, when we talk about this law, we are talking about communication, about the communication failure that occurred on december 26, when this bill appeared on the website of the verkhovna rada. ukraine was not properly communicated, and different interpretations began, people began to panic, withdraw money from bank accounts, transfer property to wives, to mothers, to someone else, well, that is, the situation was completely incomprehensible to her. volodymyr zelenskyi believes that the key challenges for the world today are the confrontation of the aggression of the russian federation, the fight against russian disinformation, including the one that, in fact, ukrainians faced during these two years and during the discussion, including this draft law during online communication with the participants of the annual

national conference of sweden, society and defense, zelenskyi spoke, in particular, about the information space and how this information space should be handled. let's listen to what the president of ukraine said. today, russia controls, unfortunately, a large percentage of information. space, and i am not talking about ukraine now, but about social networks everywhere, i am talking about europe, but about the civilized, civilized world, i am talking about the united states, i am talking about britain, and and about the african continent and the countries of latin america, russia invests a lot of money, a lot, as i say, in various media, media inside. respective countries, as well as in social networks, i believe that this is one, one of the most difficult challenges, it is a war on

disinformation. and the russian space, and this cleaning, to monitor it, well, professional people, from intelligence to independent journalists, need to do it. ms. victoria, how are we investing in the fight against disinformation, in general, the fight for the spread of true information from ukraine and abroad and within states. and a difficult question for serhiy, because i believe that there has been a war in ukraine for a very long time, there is war fatigue, obviously, first of all abroad, and also inside the country, obviously there are things that need, well, serious correction, i would say so , because the format of censorship, state censorship, has obviously

exhausted itself, i mean. marathon the only news, since you know the problem that we discussed with you today, that we found ourselves in such a state, well , it is also because of the information policy of a significant to a certain extent also happens, because at first society was massaged as much as possible with such victory-obsessed things, yes, we are winning, but now the scumbags, the russians are weak enemies, all that... similar things, we saw all this on the air of the united marathon, and well , listen, if we all win, then why should everyone stress, why mobilize, what was the two years of study for, well, the volunteers went, they will pull it all out on their own, the truth is, in principle, such an information policy actually existed until the end of the year , then you know, here in i have the impression that from this warm bath, people were simply pushed under such an icy shower

of reality, when they were told... they were told, so we will catch you on the street, we are generally doing electronic registers here now, we will generally look at what you drive, stop to pick up your car and take you to the tsc , well, just all that legislation, but now i literally have new drafts of the law coming to my computer, which tomorrow we will consider, in particular it is called the law on ubd, but in fact it is about electronic registers conscripts, i.e. they allegedly started to write the law to make it easier to get a participant. hostilities, in fact it turned out to be about completely different things, well , unfortunately, this is already becoming such a very bad tradition in our country, so you can't, you know, you can't take the country from one pole and move the country to the other pole like that, with the country we must speak honestly, finally come to this, well, with the world , it seems to me that our communication is more or less adequate at the level of messages, but very inadequate things happen, for example, with

graduation, not graduation of people's deputies. from the country, yes, because if they are deputies loyal to us, if they are our deputies, then there are no problems at all, and if you are opposition deputies, it does not matter that you always say statist things, it does not matter that you speak with one voice with the ministry of foreign affairs, but you simply should not be there, because this is how we treat the opposition, democracy, freedom of speech, and european values, all of this is seen abroad, because communication is always based on real cases and on real steps taken in the country, and then there is a correlation between statements that democratic european ukraine is fighting for values ​​with authoritarian russia, or simply that ukraine also seeks to establish authoritarianism here, you know, a small authoritarian country will never win against a large authoritarian country and moreover, it will never become a member of the eu and nato, and i would very much like that, this should be

a ukrainian... victory in fact, therefore, probably, we need both communicative policy and many domestic political issues to reformat, if we want unity and unification of today's society around what has always really united us, around our, ukrainian, european values. thank you, mrs. evgenia, i will ask you, because there are at least three journalists on the air, and we understand what we are talking about, and i understand that mr. andriy. also knows the kitchen, obviously, how the media works, but at least we are people who have worked and work in the media and know what information policy is, how it is formed, where it comes from, in me here the question is quite simple: zelensky is talking about the fact that we need to, in some way , combat these russian disinformation resources that are all over the world.