glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. today in the program. an unannounced baltic tour. zelensky met with navseda in vilnius. then it goes to tallinn and riga. kim jong-un rattles his guns. will he dare to attack south korea? consequences for? world and the russian-ukrainian war. russia is shelling ukrainian territory with missiles from north korea. the issue is considered by the council without the united nations. what is the main thing? danger? we will talk about this and other things during the next hour with diplomat and politician valery chaly. in the second part of our program, which starts in an hour, we will have a political science studio. taras zahorodniy, vitaly kulyk and others will be guests of our studio. boberenko, however, before starting

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contact with a politician, diplomat, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-2019, valery chaly. mr. valery, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. let's start, mr. valery, our conversation with zelenskyi's baltic tour. today he arrived to lithuania with an unannounced visit and met. with the country's president gitanas nauseda and other leaders of the country from what has already been heard from conversations and what zelensky said, putin will not end the war until we all end it together, zelensky said, and putin will not stop until he destroys ukraine, if if ukraine does not beat russia, lithuania, latvia, estonia, and moldova may be next. in... ukraine managed to repulse 70% of russian strikes

before and during the new year holidays, but more modern air defense systems are needed, zelenskyy said, and in ammunition and generators will be delivered to ukraine in january, - says zelenskyi. in addition, zelenskyi and nauseda agreed on the joint production of weapons. let's hear what zelensky said about this cooperation. so we are all unlucky to have such an inadequate neighbor as lithuania, which brings misery and enslavement, but we will never again become hostages of geography and will not allow russia to destroy either our or your statehood, because together we unite others to have. .. enough joint power. signed

today, the agreements between the ukrainian and lithuanian defense industries are another example of our close military relationship. cooperation we must also ensure continuity of long-term support from allies and partners. to help ukraine, the european defense industry as a whole must step up its game, accelerate and adequately respond to the complex security situation. mr. valery, the baltic countries, like no one else, understand ukraine and the situation that is developing in the war with. russian federation, because they know what it is soviet occupation, but this is the call that sounded from the lips of zelensky, that putin will not end the war, the statement, or rather, until we all end it together, was addressed not only to the baltic countries, but also

to the whole world. do you think this call will be heard in the world? you are absolutely right that the baltic countries, they not only... have an understanding of what the soviet union or stalin's period is, which, by the way, the representative of russia in the un security council is already presenting to us, as comrade stalin said, that is , they perfectly understand where russia is going, and besides, the president of ukraine correctly said that all these countries border russia, but it would seem that we are talking about estonia and latvia, but in fact. lithuania also borders the kaliningrad region, that is, the russian region, so it turns out that they have a direct land border, that is, they are very worried now that russia, and this is specifically included in their doctrine, that

russia will attack these countries. i will say more that in 2013-14 attack plans were being developed in russia. suhadol to one of the nato countries, namely the baltic countries, well, as far as i know, then it was more about estonia, and only the situation with weakness in ukraine, in crimea, control was lost for a while of the central government of yanukovych then it coincided, just, well, if it pushed russia to take action on the territory of ukraine, so they perfectly understand that they even in the absence of an aggressive... russia's war against ukraine can be a territory of invasion, that is, it is obvious, and that is why the war is viewed in a completely different way than it is viewed, say, in spain, there in italy, which are further away, and with regard to whether or not will hear in these

capitals, in the capital of nato, it already depends on the work of these very partners of ours, the baltic countries, who help us very seriously. you know that lithuania was actually the first country, i don't know, i think i'm not mistaken , that provided ukraine with, well, let's say lethal weapons, yes, the second was the united states of america with javelin anti-tank weapons, but lithuania then started this process and provided us guns, which were actually lethal weapons, so lithuania, latvia, estonia, if you look at their spending, according to the gross domestic product, they are in... in the first part of the list of partner countries, yes, it is small in terms of the country's population, but their position is very important for us, as eu and nato countries. mr. valery, but you are talking about the fact that russia was ready to attack estonia, now they are talking about a possible attack on lithuania or

latvia there, and remember, just six months ago there were talks about this suval corridor, which is between lithuania and belarus, this corridor, which... there, which russia lacks in order to break through that road to the city of kaliningrad, the former königsberg, but these countries, i mean, the baltic countries, they are members of the north atlantic alliance, if i am not mistaken, in 2004, and this means that a war between russia and nato is inevitable, and i will tell you this, first of all, regarding the attack on estonia, not my information, it is nato information. i will not say all the sources, but i know exactly where this intelligence was, and with me, well, they shared it at the time, it was not so closed, because the same plans as before the large-scale invasion of russia into

ukraine, if it is called , merged there in media, the same way it was then, even with specific there, if plans, how it can develop, that is, we can draw conclusions that one of... the scenario in russia in the military plan was, now the situation, how much it will change in the plan russia's intentions to attack nato, maybe through specifically the fathers of... countries, i can't tell you, i 've said it many times, and this is my opinion, maybe it's subjective, that putin really wants to do this in order to show nato the inability to react quickly . nato is only now changing its deterrence strategy on the prevention strategy. what it means? previously, they had such and such an approach: if they attack... for example, one of the baltic countries, then for 48 hours this country conducts

self-defense, and then, well, there are 42 hours, 48 ​​hours, 72 hours, then two weeks, the others step up nato countries, first the rapid response forces, and then the nato countries are discussing, but now lithuania, latvia, estonia have raised the question of ruba, look what happened in ukraine, look when belarus went from russia to kyiv, bucha. gostom, irpen, borodyanka, moschun. look what happened. and this is actually the distance to their capitals. and that's why they asked the question: "no, we don't want that, we are countries that want your contingents to be located already. and that's why germany made a decision to locate a german brigade on the territory of lithuania. the only problem is that it's only 2027 .that is , they want it to happen earlier, because they... absolutely think, absolutely correctly, that

an aggressive russia can do it earlier, when nato is not yet prepared militarily, and here we have to talk about the fact that to do in these years, 24, 25, 26, that is, ours can really be allies in such and such preparations, and the suvalsky one is just 100 km long, the corridor that russia has long wanted... to break through between belarus, which in fact, well, more and more and this enclave of kaliningrad is more subject to russian control, well , conditionally, because, to be honest, kaliningrad was not russian, it is the consequences of the redistribution there of the second world war, by the way, the head of russia is always kidding about all these historical affiliations, and why doesn’t he will say that königsberg must be given away, this is a simple question, people think uncritically and even listen to all this nonsense even in ukraine, so give königsberg, give away

yours, this enclave that is not yours, who do not want to live, in principle, in russia, they they want to live with the european union and nato, but this same territory will not go anywhere, and this provocation, as long as putin, as long as this regime is in power, they want, their hands are itching to try, and it is only a matter of time and the strength of these countries and nato therefore, in principle, it is a bargain will change, but it remains completely real, i just think that they can attack really, well, this is my opinion again, it is not supported by operational plans, they had in the estonian plan, they still have it, and finland's entry into nato and the strengthening of this district indicates that estonia can come under attack, be under attack, because narva is there, there are... russian eyes, all the moods, and agents, very, very serious agents, sent there,

not even since remained in the soviet union, but was already exiled to the latter decade, this is what i am saying, there are a lot of russian intelligence agencies there, under, they are sent there under various guises, they, let the estonians, they know it, let them clean it up, because in ukraine this agency still, unfortunately, leads to huge problems of our country. we have already talked about the nato countries and the baltic countries, but there is one more country that is not yet in nato, which is on the threshold of nato, and that is sweden. so, the swedes got information that they are sending 800 soldiers to the borders of russia and latvia to deter russia from attacking, and this, well, the swedes they haven't fought for the russians for a long time, since the 19th century, if i'm not mistaken, with karl. third, it was a related war, that is, the swedes also understand

that they can also be under attack, because everyone remembers the story with finland in the year 39, and in principle, just a few days ago, i watched a documentary about the way the soviet union was preparing for war with finland, and there is a lot of similarity with the way the russian federation is behaving now, that is, how the soviet union behaved the day before in... to finland, and now all this history, it literally overlaps with this history, which vladimir putin is now trying to copy, well... vladimir putin, mr. valery, is he trying to start some northern war now, well, if it's not the baltic countries, then sweden, because it not yet in nato, and it is not clear whether sweden is actually under the program of the north atlantic alliance, and this will be the same as an attack on

a country of the north atlantic alliance, several important questions, firstly, whether to... efforts, the desire is there, of course, and threats come and go, but that's all, the main reason, two reasons, this is the first, this is what ukraine is pulling on itself, very serious russian forces, they simply have nothing to offer there, this is firstly, and secondly, sweden in combination with finland with nato forces, this is a completely different story for russia, the swedes pragmatically calculated it, and it is for us... a huge example, a neutral country that, like finland, was looking for some kind of solution, coexistence in the conditions between nato and the russian bloc, well, rather russia, than the whole bloc there, which is formally military in them, but sweden immediately accepted the decision is immediate, we need to unite, i 'll tell you more, sweden is already preparing to sign

documents on the location of nato bases, in particular the us on its own. territories, that's it, the train has left, that is, there will be reinforcements there very quickly, and russia can forget about its domination in the north, there it is so strategically formed that the union of finland, sweden, nato countries completely, er, hits on the russian intentions, to control the direction to the arctic, that is, precisely in this direction, they will strategically now cover a lot of things for them, sweden is strong in weapons, a strong army, it numbers, of course. less, but for these tasks, which are today to prevent russian aggression against sweden, they, as a member of nato, simply put up this security umbrella for their country. therefore , i think that sweden will not stop it any more, turkey will negotiate a little there, and the decision will be made finally, well, most

likely, i don't know, before the washington summit in the summer of this year. in the usa, i think it is quite possible, that is, no matter what happens there, you ask whether nato will enter the war, if there is an attack on sweden, i will say my opinion, even the fifth article will not play a role here, it is not nato that will enter the war, nato countries will enter the war, that is, they will definitely enter the war, those who will be threatened from the northern flank will definitely do it , and i have no doubt about it and... the usa will consider it depending on the political situation, and nato, well, nato now, you know, unfortunately, such an organization, it is still only beginning to understand what threats are serious in europe, maybe , may mature by that time, that is, they will stand up for sweden, this is 100%. former ambassador of the united states of america at the united nations and republican presidential candidate nikki haley said that ukraine's victory over

russia is critical to preventing a wider war because the next step ... will require the involvement of american troops. will invade nato countries, and this is inevitable . we will hear what nikki haley said. russia will not limit itself to attacking ukraine. poland and the baltic countries are next, and these are already nato countries, and this is what will draw the united states of america into the war. therefore, helping ukraine is not about inciting a war, but about preventing it a bigger war on this background, sir. there is another piece of information, i think you have read it and you know about the publication in politics, where referring to the words of the european commissioner terry breton, who allegedly heard the former american leader trump talking to ursula funderlay in 2020, that america will not come to the rescue europe, if it was

attacked, will be attacked, and trump said that... nato is dead and the united states of america will leave the alliance, and reproached germany for not paying an additional $400 billion to the bloc's budget. this is an important year, the pre-election year year in the united states of america, it is not for nothing that politico cites this story with trump and makes it clear that the policy, well, let's say, the foreign policy of the united states of america can undergo a correction or until... the united states of america has enough safeguards in the country to even after the arrival of trump, the official position. as for ukraine, have they remained unchanged? the first question, donald trump's position on nato, his personal vision that the united states should withdraw from nato, this is

his personal vision. now we do not know the results of the elections in america, that is, the chances or whether there are there is donald trump, but what are the chances, as it is an election and it is difficult to predict. now the second question is, is there such support for leaving nato in broad circles? there are no americans there, even the republican party does not have such support today, but can donald trump in the event that he becomes a candidate and then the president, well, let's imagine whether he can initiate it, i will even say, he cannot, he will be it to initiate, but its first fuse is in the law on the budget, the so-called nda, 2024 introduced a clause stating that the president... cannot single-handedly make a decision to withdraw from nato, what is interesting is that there is no mention of any international organization, namely withdrawal from nato, well, that is, in this law, well, probably because it is

about the us military budget and including about the funds allocated for nato, well, america's participation in nato, they probably put it there, so there is a fuse for him, for anyone who wants to do it as president. it will not be easy, and there will be a big, serious struggle, unfortunately, this fuse was set, for example, by the landlist for ukraine, item 1224 was removed, which i consider to be erroneous, but it simply shows the reality, well, the real points, because in principle , there are risks in relation to the amount of weapons for ukraine , too. there is a big thing in the case of not only the elections, even the focus of attention in the fall of america on internal problems, that's why we are talking about

more about today's package, about the fact that funds are needed now , concrete help is needed now, without dragging somewhere far away, because right now concentration of effort, nicky haley talks about it, what exactly now we need to help ukraine so that there are no bigger problems. i will say more that the discourse of the united states is not being conducted. what we started talking about, i hope they will hear: the failure to provide sufficient military and other, financial, economic, and humanitarian assistance to ukraine now, can give the illusion to putin that even during such a dynamic, intense, but such a fixed somewhere along the front line of the war, even during this he can allocate resources to attack a nato country, for provocation, i don't know. or for attack of course, there will be no opportunity, because ukraine is taking this blow upon itself, and it will be for provocation , so they think completely wrongly, he has

a completely different vision, as soon as this opportunity is so small, to show that there is no unity in nato, which is not all countries will immediately apply the fifth article, he will do it, and that is why the position of the leader of the house of representatives surprises me... who listens only to trump's advice, and does not listen to the advice of his people , americans, republicans, who are mostly in favor of supporting ukraine with weapons, that is, he goes this whole game is political, and i emphasize that we need this half-year is the maximum concentration, longer-range missiles, aircraft , several squadrons-16, all weapons now for these half-years, then we can say that we will in many ways protect nato from an attack, if they do not... provide weapons, not that ukraine will surrender, ukraine will not surrender, we will continue to restrain the aggressor, but we will not be able to inflict such blows on him as

before, so that he cannot provoke nato. so they are making a big mistake now in washington, underestimating the possibility of russia attacking a nato country. border crossing already took place, missile attack, crossing by planes. the nazis are trying to hide it all. well, you know, an awl in a bag is such a story , you can hide it, but a missile that flies into your territory, you then say it, i can’t find it on the radar, or are you looking for it somewhere in the forest, but the truth is that you just missed it this missile strike, that's all, but the truth is that you are not ready to respond to russia's attacks, we in ukraine feel it ourselves, and the nato countries have not yet felt it, so i always warn them and insist on my what you underestimate... the possibility of russia striking a nato country, he wants it, and he will do it if you are weak and do not help ukraine as much as possible now. mr.

valery, today in brussels. the ukraine-nato council was held, there is already preliminary information about the results, and as the ukrainian media already write about the fact that kyiv was promised weapons worth billions, billions of euros this year, and at the meeting they talked about help in strengthening air defense in the 24th year from the joint purchase of anti-aircraft missiles for systems patriot to skynex systems from nieme. and anti -aircraft missiles from great britain, the members of this council strongly condemned the escalation of russian airstrikes against ukraine, as well as the use by the russian federation of ballistic missiles from north korea and drones from iran, according to a press release that appeared just now, what do you say? how this board works

now during these last ones. half a year and whether this gives ukraine additional opportunities to convince the north atlantic alliance that ukraine is also part of the world security, part, part of this great global system, which is the north atlantic alliance, just de jure, it is not yet included in this process. well, you know, on the one hand, this is one of the results of vilnius, and it was presented as an achievement, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleba, talked about symbolic things, that he is now being seated in a different place, as a representative of ukraine, not as a guest, but as an equal participant at the common table, well , this is such symbolism, of course it is important for diplomacy, but in essence, in essence, what has changed,

it seems to me that the first thing... is that ukraine can insist on these meetings, that's what has changed, that we can as a country, not what we ask for there, let's do it there someday, insist that the issue requires a meeting, it's from a positive point of view, and so in principle, we really used it in the situation of large-scale attacks on ukraine and a lot of risks, which will now apply, well, in a broader sense of security, i think that this missile was discussed there. to poland, i think that many points were discussed there in connection with the use of real or possibly even greater in the future ballistic missiles, but i will say what i would like them to discuss there, i would like them to discuss a joint air defense system, air defense, for example, well, if not with nato, okay, let's go to

the bilateral... levels, because after all, nato is such a mechanism, there are many countries, and while it matures everything, i'm sorry, we can't wait for that for a long time, so for us, because we have common points, everything can be legal and allowed, for example, crossing the border, yes, there are ukrainian-polish border crossings, but why can't we continue this development in the field security, for example, why poland can't use its means... air defense in coordination, or perhaps in the system of joint management of ukraine-poland, in order to shoot down missiles flying at poland. we can, by a simple decision of the majority in the parliament, protect poland from our claims for violation of sovereignty there in the event that these fragments fly and fall on our territory, which is bordering there, we can. yes, this, such a story, as it were, is also unpleasant, but after all, being hit by missiles is much worse, so

it is necessary to speak. about serious things, that's it expressions of concern, you know, well , leave it to yourself in brussels, we need to talk about specifics, specifics, play it out, play it out in brussels, because you are one step behind putin, one step behind putin, i am not for nato, i am talking about nato countries that have real opportunities in the field of security that help us, okay, but here is a specific example, poland's joint ppu system. romania, a joint air defense system, we can further advance joint training points with nato countries on the territory of ukraine, why does russia have bases in belarus, is already talking about moving nuclear warheads, and we still don't even have joint points, well , there were some training camps, yavoriv was held there, they were held near zhytomyr, why is there no such activity now, why are there no instructors?