agrees, then this provocation will take place, if china is not ready for it, then everything will end with another request to provide food aid, as it also happened in the history of relations. thank you, mr. vitaly , mr. taras, well, look, first of all, i added another ongoing conflict, which i often forget about now, it is the houthis, now they are practically destroying international logistics, it is a proxy of iran , in fact, so not only israel, not only ukraine and... everyone thinks that, it's worth paying attention to it, it already has a huge impact on world trade, just not everyone feels it. further, i believe that there is a high probability that there will still be a local conflict, i would not underestimate north korea again, the fact that they transferred missiles and so on, i do not mean anything, because we do not know what is happening in in north korea, in north korea, the following may have happened: russia

could transfer technology and money, china could provide equipment, and we don't know, maybe in north korea there are already 5,000 people plowing in factories for food scraps, as was the case in the soviet union, so i would not underestimate it situation, especially since my country is very closed, i would not consider north korea as a separate entity here, so they are not completely controlled by beijing, but they... are more of a proxy for beijing, because there is a great dependence, as mr. kulyk emphasized, from china's economic relations with china, and china is now pursuing a strategy of creating many such conflicts in order to disperse the forces, primarily the united states of america and the west, in order to create a favorable situation. for the future, the future

return to taiwan, i do not rule out that the next point could be the philippines , and those countries, and the philippines, and south korea have barely any mutual aid agreements with the united states of america, there is a contingent of the united states of america in south korea, so another point has been created in the ... a hot spot, especially in asia in order to shake the confidence in the first place in the united states of america in this region, i think it is highly probable, and here i will answer our viewers who ask what or north korea, there is a direct connection , we must understand, first of all, south korea and japan also provide aid to ukraine, i am sure that there is military cooperation, this means that... the war between north korea and

the south, aid can be reduced quite significantly, this is the first, second, if it starts already such a conflict, this means that the possibilities of the united states to help ukraine are also reduced. why, because we must understand a simple thing that unlike south korea, japan, the philippines, the united states of america has concrete. obligations that are supported by contracts, the united states of america has no obligations to ukraine under the signed treaties, and we must clearly understand this and soberly assess the situation. thank you, mr. taras, let's return to internal ukrainian topics and internal ukrainian issues. on january 10 , the verkhovna rada of ukraine will be on the 11th, or rather in january. to add

the bill on mobilization in the first reading, it is known that there are five bills, one of them government, four alternative, but let's talk, gentlemen, about how it will all happen in the context of today, because today there were several demonstrative episodes that show that the government, when it talks about justice. about the fact that mobilization should be fair, that society should be fair, first of all it should be fair to other participants in the political process, including ukrainians. the first episode concerns the resolution on the dismissal of mariyana bezuglai from the position of chairperson, deputy chairperson of the parliamentary committee on national security and defense, today they tried to ask the question in the verkhovna rada about retirement without a corner from the post of deputy,

nothing came of it, because ruslan stefanchuk, the chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine , simply took over and closed the meeting after blocking the tribune. representatives of european solidarity, who demanded the resignation of marina bezuglai from the post of deputy head of the parliamentary committee, let's see how it was, the law, the law, the law. the law, the law, this has not been the case in the verkhovna rada for a long time, blocking the tribune, shame, and well, such an irritating question, mariana bezugla and ruslan stefanchuk, after all, did everything to ensure that mariana

bezugla was not removed from the position of deputy head of the parliamentary committee . bezugla wrote on her facebook: " they were burned at the stake for the truth." mr. victor, how do you assess this whole story, because this, well, this is a kind of prologue to tomorrow's big discussion, because tomorrow will probably be even hotter, regarding the law on mobilization, well, yes, mariana didn't say what kind of truth she is ready to go for death, they are ready to burn it, what kind of truth, yes , they burned it, and that christological confirmation of the fact that when something happens someday... how a tragedy, then as a comedy, and the words can be interpreted that way, and you know, when i heard from you for the second time today, and the second time you smiled, yes, it made me smile , because it is considered, well, i think that it cannot be interpreted differently it is possible, but it is telling

, it is telling that the arahamiya did not give her up and the majority did not give up theirs, even though the servants of the people understand that maryana played a trick. eh, and maryana carries someone else's heresy, and in general, that's her type, they didn't give us a plan, so get rid of it, well, it's an absolute heresy in general, because they can't, well, ours can't military to share plans in an environment where these plans will immediately become known to the enemy, but... it is telling, telling that rahamia, and therefore the office of the president, did not hand over to maryana, we understand that the verkhovna rada is governed by the office of the president, is not an institution, with all the details that flow from it, although

it is not known why, because maryana is now taking favors and personally from zelenskyi's rating, because there are very few people in the country who do not consider... absolutely insane, well and that's all. mr. vitaly, is this the story with the bezugla, does not indicate that the servants of the people are not so inclined to compromise, because in principle, what was the point of removing mariana from the post of deputy head of the parliamentary committee, but leaving her in the parliamentary committee and in this way demonstrating that they can play big the political game for a long time, because it turns out that, well, they say again that we are a mono-power, a mono-majority , and again all the parliamentary forces just crash against this wall, not a misunderstanding, and then there is no talk of any compromise or any joint conversation can not

let's go, well, first of all, let's look at the latest statements, just a few minutes ago there was information that the meeting of the servants of the people faction decided to send the bill on mobilization to the law, which means that tomorrow it will not be considered, so the question arises , then why remove bezula, if there is still a lag of time, when you can use her criticism and her position to inflict image losses on the ministry of defense or the general staff personally, diligently, yes, that is, bezula still had to perform a certain amount of tasks on... o this ping pong related to this short-lived draft law, this is the first, secondly, well, although now there is already information from rahamiya that he suggests to the deputies of other factions not to comment on the meetings of his faction, but he also says that personnel decisions

will be adopted after the conciliation council, well, it is obvious that after this fund fund ends with some decision, what to do with this bill, whether to bring it to the hall for consideration or send it to... before the author of the bill is processed by the cabinet of ministers, and after this will be approved personnel decision, most likely bezulu will indeed remove the deputy chairman of the committee, but let me remind you, she remains the head of... the parliamentary oversight subcommittee on the security and defense sector, this is the first, and secondly, a member of the committee, of course, who will not be the rostrum itself, moreover , i believe that parliamentary supervision is also an important direction, where it will certainly manifest itself with all its might and we will see it all. well, yes, as soon as the information appeared, you correctly say that the majority of servants are in favor of returning the law on mobilization to finalization, well, let's see what the introduction of this bill will be tomorrow. because

it is impossible to return this bill for revision without a vote and return for revision, without bringing it to the floor , that is, i understand that the presentation will still take place tomorrow, mr. taras, today not only maryana bezugla was on the lips and in the information space, there was also lviv, this is bohdan lviv, a judge with a russian passport who resumed his post at the supreme court. well, today the appointment of the former head of the antimonopoly department as the head of the accounting chamber committee of olga pishchanska, who is an old acquaintance of volodymyr zelensky, at one time she was in the anti-monopoly committee, then she wrote a statement about leaving there, the ambassadors of the big seven had previously publicly urged not to appoint members of the accounting chamber until the selection procedure was changed. er, that is , they tried to explain to the ukrainian authorities that it is still necessary

to go through competitive procedures, and not just appoint a person whom the authorities want, so they appointed him to the position of the head of the accounting chamber. that's all together, er, how does it characterize the current state, the current relationship between those who are in power and those who are m... those who oppose them, let's say this, not the opposition, those who oppose them, well, i everything would separate the issues of lviv and the parliament, after all, different branches of government, we do not know how the violation occurred there, whether the procedure was violated , for example, his dismissal and so on, after all, he was imprisoned and reinstated, yes, but of course, that we must understand that the presence of a russian passport is... an unconditional, unconditional, reason for

for a person to simply resign from power, without any explanation, yes, because the very fact of the existence of this document, and whenever it was issued by the russian federation, because there are different russian passports, there are also passports, what are other soviet ones that were issued in russia until 1996, and we often lose sight of this fact... and of course, that people do not have the right, and they, of course, should be under special investigation, because when a person still has a russian passport in the 10th year of the war with the russian federation, this position means that the person, well, definitely has the influence of the russian federation on him and definitely that this person is not loyal to the ukrainian state, this is one of the foundations. i would call this kind of lustration a factor

that completely nullifies any justifications of any people, in any positions, that are in ukraine. well, regarding the appointment, well, we don't know what actually happened there, because, well, requests , requests, you know, i, for example, often, well, recently we also had at the request of j7 . canceled the so-called edits of the vine, well i, for example, believe that it was done very incorrectly, in fact, when we were demanded to cancel these amendments to the lzo, it seems that nabu and sab do not have time to investigate cases, it was presented that it seems to be a big problem, in reality there is no such problem, because in actual cases any investigator could continue. the timeliness of the investigation is endless, there is article 295 of the criminal procedure code, but

the investigator, in order to continue such cases, was forced to go to court and show his achievements and prove that he worked and that the case has a judicial perspective, and now , excuse me, please, now the investigators will tell you, as you know, khajin is in the middle of parables, or and... will die or the comforter will die when these cases are investigated, there is no judicial control and so on, that's why i, the more recently i saw already the second audit regarding. of anti-corruption bodies, including our international partners, there are also a lot of questions about the effectiveness of the anti-corruption vertical, before that there was ponzk, in the mirror weeks, i remember, it was published, only it was not named who conducted the audit, there is also a lot, so we also have to look at what is happening and understand what is actually there

and conduct, including a critical revision of what is already reformed , which are done, it's not up to... well, not bad, we have to see what works, what doesn't work, i'm not a lawyer here or anything, i want us to look at the facts, we don't know when there will be an appointment and an accounting chamber, based on this, do we appoint people close to the authorities, yes, it was like that under all governments, this is the practice , including all over the world, what is also called democratic in our country, everyone wants to appoint those people you know, whom you trust, so there is nothing strange here i don’t see, the only complaint is that i didn’t see much activity of the antimonopoly committee when it was headed by this person who will now be in our accounting chamber, and who will be responsible for the work of the accounting chamber, because it is such an audit body that is

powerful enough and has a powerful apparatus and has a powerful functions, but i'm here... in this case , i think it's an interesting situation, that we actually have a state audit service duplicating the functions of the chamber of accounts, which is already very good , and it actually also conducts audits, and it also has certain the authority to verify financial aid from our partners and so on, so let's see how it will work and how it actually is. will be built, and so i want to see effective bodies that work, well, the wishes of our partners are of course very good, but it has been a long time it is necessary to look at the audit , what was done, what is working, what is not working, because, well, questions about recommendations, especially after the post after the so-called lazovoi amendments, when now nobody will do anything at all,

the investigation can last for 10 years , and the investigation may last for 20 years without any suspicion being presented, this is... a return to practices, and this applies to all law enforcement agencies, these are practices, i'm sorry, that were still in place during kuchma's time, i remember when criminal cases were violated affairs, and then it is not known when ended, mr. taras, you say everything correctly, the only remark is that volodymyr zelenskyi, when he was running for the presidency of ukraine, he said that there would be no brothers, saints, best men, acquaintances in power, and since, since it is pischenska. is a close, close friend of the zelenskyi family from kryvyi rih, so in principle it looks a little strange when during the war relatives, acquaintances, godfathers, in-laws go to power, the power talks about it, listen, well, there must be justice in everything repeat it also applies to citizens of ukraine

to crush this justice and say, listen, this is fair , this is unfair, that is , there are many questions about justice, but stefanchuk explained why, for example, mariana bezugla was not removed from the post of deputy head of the parliamentary committee today, he said about the fact that there was no decision by the conciliatory council of the parliamentary factions and the group, that is why they say it happened, the only question is why stefanchuk closed the meeting of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, well, that is another issue, well, they did not want to torpedo it, but, if tomorrow... the verkhovna rada of ukraine will vote to return the draft law on mobilization to the government, which will be decided by the gentlemen for society, for the army, first of all, and in general for this vertical, which we call monopolies, since this is the government that was appointed by the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and the verkhovna rada is the monomajority of the servant, and

the monomajority is the monomajority of all that exists in the country, this means. that someone should be responsible for this, mr. viktor? well, let's start with the fact that, de facto, in our country, both the verkhovna rada and the government are managed from the office of the president, from one office, and zelensky himself very clearly stated at his press conference on december 19 that there are only five or six people who sit down with him and work out a solution. which are then accepted, and in fact, the verkhovna rada and the government are a facade, and now we have a situation where the left hand quarreled with the right, yes, reality. this, in fact, means the following, the draft law is unpopular, but not in all, not in all parts of society, it is unpopular precisely in

the main electoral groups, which currently support both zelenskyi and slug's party the people, well, first of all, zelenskyi, and therefore , in order to minimize electoral losses, we need to tell them that yes, we understand that mobilization... but the first, second, third, tenth, let's put it back there, it 's called making a good mine with a bad game, and this is precisely the effort, and why , yes, by the way, here are my colleagues and i, i think that we all agree that this is why and without a corner they have not yet driven away, why, because for her it is there is a lag, to criticize further, from the military, yes, there is a quarrel between the military and politicians, they. they want to transfer everything to the industrious, this is what the industrious wants mobilization, it's not zelenskyi, it's not the government , it's not the verkhovna rada, but the government is fine, there the government is still being forced to do something, but the verkhovna

rada, they are also white and fluffy, they are chicks, and they don't want it either, although not explain what exactly they don't like, which items and positions they don't like, and most importantly , whatever nuances there are, the most important positions there are, for example, lowering the conscription age from 27 to 25 years old, oh, that, we we understand that this is plus 400 thousand potential mobilized, even there is a little more, but it just hits zelensky's ratings, and this is, for example, the postponement of those 110,000 who went to study on the first of september 23, and these are 110,000 men over 20'. years, we understand, yes, and ending their postponement also hits, so tell me, are you for these positions or against, and there are nuances, we don't like something somewhere, or yulia volodymyrivna,

tymoshenko says that let's call the police first , because they are ready, and we are not ready, 90% of the people who registered on february 24 in the military registers were also not ready, let's say so, so it's all from the evil one. thank you, mr. victor, gentlemen, after a short break, we will be back on the air, just a few minutes, and we will resume our conversation. events, events that are happening right now and affect our lives, of course, the news feed reports about them, but it is not enough to know what is happening, it is necessary to understand. antin borkovskii and invited experts soberly assess the events, analyze them, modeling our future. every saturday at 13:10 with a repeat on sunday at 10:10. studio zahid with anton borkovsky at espresso. friends, we

we work live on the espresso tv channel. this is the verdict program. my name is serhii rudenko. throughout our program, we conduct surveys. today we ask you this: will north korea go to war against south korea? in youtube, everything is quite simple: choose two options, or one option out of two, yes, no, or write your comment below. this video if you are watching us on tv pick up your smartphone and vote if you think north korea will go to war with the south 0800 211 381 no 0800-211-382 all calls these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. let me remind you that today on the air we have political experts viktor boberenko, vitaly kulyk and taras zagorodniy, and since we have already started talking about... the draft law on mobilization, it is obvious that when the authorities talk about the fact that mobilization should be fair, then about

everyone puts something of their own into this justice, i.e. what is fair? well, we see what a fair policy or a fair personnel policy is, the appointment of zelenskyi's girlfriend kryvyi rih is a fair policy, the unfair resignation of bezuna from the position of the head of the parliamentary committee, but what is it? fair mobilization in the current conditions , mr. vitaly, well, let's start with the draft law itself, i consider it completely inadequate, and here it is not necessary to justify the military, because it was the general staff and the ministry of defense that prepared the draft of this draft bill, and they introduced this resource logic of attitude to people as a resource in the same way as ammunition, money and military equipment, in fact people can be an asset if they are properly prepared. and to involve in defense as a whole, and not only to use it as mobilization arithmetic, then this responsibility also belongs to the general staff of the ministry of defense,

but there are two logics in this draft law, one... this is really this resourceful attitude of the tsc to citizens, arbitrariness , in fact, mistrust of the institutions of the state, which arises as a result of this forceful forced mobilization, it provokes a split in society, it provokes the fact that in our country even the previously appointed 500 000, who are trying to mobilize, they will not succeed, they will not be found, because there are demographic indicators, there are statistics, but in fact the majority of... uh, citizens feel and do not, let's say, feel this injustice in general, so really volunteers are actually ending, so many people are already ready to go to the front, but their percentage would increase , recruiting would increase, if the authorities showed the authenticity of their intentions, and justice was guaranteed from the point of view of protection, the interests of servicemen, the rights of a soldier against

arbitrariness officer and general, the rights of people who are discharged from the army due to injuries , due to or payments to the families of servicemen, that is, this whole package, the logic of balance and justice is violated, and it is obvious that of course that both the parliament and the deputies of different factions, because alternative bills were submitted by representatives of various factions, from european solidarity and trust and the group of the intelligentsia, i.e. five... bills, four of them are alternative bills, and this indicates that the trust in this bill, i think, that is not in in ukraine, perhaps in the entire history of ukraine, a draft law that was not discussed in every kitchen, as a draft law on mobilization, and everyone, i repeat, every soldier at the front, and her person in the rear, saw the injustice of this draft law, so it will be natural, if indeed it will be sent for revision, but

as for... me, then we have two ways out of this situation, if it has to be introduced again, or then let the supreme commander-in-chief, the president of ukraine introduce his draft law, where all balances of justice, and it will be supported by his monomajority in the parliament or by those political forces that are currently blocking him, or then it is really a national discussion with the participation and involvement also of the authors and these developments that are... made in alternative bills, for example, i like the idiot's bill , i would, for example, if i were a deputy, i would vote for it, this is also worth considering, because it is a request of the whole society, it cannot be said that there are only a few out there, well, a third of society, it forms a record of justice, no, the whole society, that is , justice in the state is a consensus, a consensus that is processed by different groups,

and it is not worth it. to blame everyone for the fact that the targets, they are not at the front, but at the front there is the nerve of this justice, yes, there is a standard of justice, but when we talk about a normal policy that will ensure high-quality mobilization, then this is taking into account all approaches, simple there can be no decisions in this case. thank you, mr. vitaly, mr. taras, tell me, if this draft law is not voted on tomorrow and there is not... well , even an initial decision on mobilization, we live in conditions of war, and it is clear that there is a certain procedure, there are certain rules, there is a certain logic of political actions, but we live in a war, and zaluzhnyi says that i need to change the guys who are at the front, mobilization is needed, and the verkhovna rada of ukraine will now consider how it will affect

the ratings, how it will affect... society, how it will affect more for some reason, where is that golden mean, when politicians should work in wartime conditions , and not think about ratings and not be measured by these ratings, because now the situation is such that there may not be a state at all, well, look, the government must understand , which is the best increase in ratings. for them , there is the number of strikes on the territory of the russian federation, destroyed enemies and so on, this, by the way, you can see the reaction of society to this, that is, here here here should be understood in such a logic, because in reality there is no time there you have to think about ratings and everything else, but look, here we have to understand that mobilization needs to be looked at more broadly, right here the question is what is the strategy...