these two divided ukraines, what is the topic that is constantly pushed, they say, it could be according to the korean scenario there, the president of ukraine said that there is no such thing in the conversations, although let's listen to zelenskyi and accurately reproduce his quote, no pressure from partners, but from partners no, about a... cessation, cessation of our protection, i wouldn't say cessation of hostilities, after all, it is our protection, cessation of our just defense and cessation of our struggle, there is no pressure on this, on the frozen conflict, so far no, there are different ones voices, i heard them in the media, read them and know them, but there are different voices and there are different discussions, i think that... the partners are not yet officially

ready to give us the appropriate signals, at least i have not heard them personally. mr. valery, what does this mean, officially, the partners do not tell us this, but someone is talking, someone is conducting such negotiations. the same story with a divided ukraine and with the korean version, it was discussed somewhere, isn't it just journalists sitting in some room and making up this story? well, first of all. such forecasts, if permitted, in relation to this dozen, the magazine economist who presented himself in kyiv is a joint project there with nv, that is, there are another dozen, and it has been verified there, there are people there who gave forecasts earlier, this is, you know, a generalized reaction for today's year, let's with you, we will add, we already had a broadcast together with you today, the five, and i believe that what we discussed is the conflict of the south. korea, north korea may

escalate, after the elections in india , if modi wins, there may be a strengthening of indian nationalism and the restoration of pakistan from india, on the contrary , russia may have a more active position, we talked about it, the attack of a nato country, i think the 24th year is an absolutely probable option, it is three, the fourth, divided by the usa, i have reasons. you say that at the end of the year there is a huge threat to the territorial integrity of the usa, why? because the usa is a federal country, it consists of different countries, states, what we call states, but these states are countries that have united into a single federal country, if there is a conflict if the american goes, this situation is political, there is a risk of dividing the country. let's talk about it, why are we only talking about ukraine, and fifth. the biggest risk, from which

all these risks are derived, is the weakness of the democratic world against an authoritarian populist armed attack, but an answer to this must be found, and then there will be no all these origins. now with regard to conversations, conversations that can go anywhere, because the war, which is of little concern to you, is always tiring, so these countries, the further a country is, the more it tires. for example, lithuania, latvia, estonia is closer, they... feel more , i already said germany, france is there, they are a little more involved, italy, spain feel less, and what do you want from india, which is over there, they don't even know what is happening here in the grand scheme of things , then they are tired more than anything, and china is even more tired, so we should not look at that, we should look at one thing: the idea of ​​freezing the war, it is not realistic, both for external reasons and for internal reasons... so that

there is no legislation in ukraine that would allow anyone, even the president, to make a decision about the negotiations about the return of the territories, yes, it is impossible, in the parliament you can see that the mood is such that such a decision, even to initiate a referendum , is impossible, according to polls, the ukrainian people will not take such a step, not because they do not want to the end of the war, but because they understand that it will only delay it. even greater losses further on, so this is the first part, and the second part, you will not draw a reliable line along the front line, no freezing along the front line, along the borders, when to go to the borders, but russia is still in a state, well, it is attacking us with missiles, but to go to the borders of international recognition, i can say, it is not a freezing of war, after all, some kind of transfer to another format, but i just don't see it before that.

honesty of these conversations, i will tell you more, this idea was the first time, you know, when it was voiced by american envoys in 2014, i was a witness. all this i can say, i was even a participant in these proposals, i told them: dear, go to your president, if the president of the united states says publicly that our the country has to capitulate, then we will consider, and that's it, that's it , that's it, conversations are conversations, it will go in waves, depending on the problems at the front or some of our internal insecurities, it will be more or less. the more success there is in ukraine, together with partners, the less there will be such conversations. how correct, i'm not saying, i'm just saying that this scenario from my point of view, it's impossible to use. we, i will remind you of the period of ato, when

there was some demarcation line, even weapons were withdrawn at some distance, as a result, well, it did not lead to the end of the war, all the same, putin found a moment and well... understood, probably in many ways, that such a story for russia cannot drag on for a long time, because they can lose then if to keep such a period for a long time, and it has already started with a large-scale invasion, so from a pragmatic point of view, i don’t see any options, how to freeze the war, and therefore all these conversations, well, it’s like poultices for the poor, all these conversations, the minister of foreign affairs great britain david cameron said that britain is ready to ... support ukraine for years, this is not a matter of controversy, as in the united states of america, but the leader of the cdu in germany, friedrich meers, advocated the provision of taurus cruise missiles to ukraine and called on olaf scholz not to delay further deliveries of cruise missiles rockets we

, mr. valery, have been observing a change in germany's position regarding the russian-ukrainian war for two years, as well as the supply of weapons and... what is supplied to ukraine, what is the reason for such a change in the position of the germans? it's interesting, well, actually, i am all because we really did a lot to speak german with our partners, well, frankly, you remember, and the criticism was quite so sharp from the side, and i also said from germany's position that this is not a tao assessment, well, a year ago or one and a half, now i can state that they did a lot of work. steps in understanding its security strategy, i.e. germany made a radical u-turn from basing its strategy on the fact that russia will somehow change there and it is possible

to build security on the economic model of energy development, it turned out to be completely wrong, it turned out differently and now they are being reconsidered, a change, for example, in the supply of weapons, is already the consequences of a change. of this strategy, you know, it's not a secret that one of the ministers, our minister there told, well, they talked about it publicly, from the first days, that you have no chance, and russia will completely capture you there, and now they don't say that , increase support, for which we are grateful to them, well, again, they have not yet realized that the concentration of support, and not stretching, can give a greater effect than this constant gradualism, but now these tauras are arab again. there they will be used somewhere there, something will fall on the territory of russia, well , listen, forget it already, we are talking about the security of europe, germany, about your leadership, which germany will have to take together with france for security, well, britain, well, i

i am talking about continental europe, germany and france must understand that the states will not always be the same as they are now, and they must now, they understand this, they must increase european... security at the expense of their own, precisely by helping ukraine, they are they are beginning to understand, these are already drastic changes, but i still say, there is no such understanding to play ahead of time, there is still some fear, i don’t know why we can be afraid here , we need to take a step to anticipate, we need to give taurus now, and that’s it that's all, all the stars have aligned, well , what's there to talk about, thank you, mr. valery, i hope that we will be heard in berlin and after all... tauros will be in ukraine. it was politician-diplomat valery chaley. thank you for an interesting conversation. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on ours platforms on youtube and facebook. i, if you 're watching us on these platforms right now, don't skimp. please like this video. this is very important for this

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will inevitably attack south then please vote 0800 211 381 not 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free call, at the end of the program we will pick you up the results of this vote, i want to introduce today's guests of our... studio, these are political experts, viktor boberenko, an expert of the analysis and policy bureau, mr. viktor, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, good, i congratulate you, mr. viktor, vitaliy. kulyk, director of the center for researching civil society problems, mr. vitaly, good evening, and taras zagorodniy, political technologist, managing partner of the national anti-crisis group, mr. taras, congratulations, thank you for joining our broadcast today. good evening. let's start with a close poll as we ask our tv viewers and

viewers what they think if north korea will go to war with south korea, although in the comments under youtube, our viewers write, what do we care about north south korea, although the north - korean ballistic missiles fall on the territory of the ukrainian state, and in general, north korea thus already participates in the russian-ukrainian war. let's very briefly share our thoughts on whether this war will be in the north and south korea, will this not be part of the great third world war, as we are seeing now actually three wars, it is russian-ukrainian in the near future. well, there are the beginnings of north korean, south korean. mr. viktor, let's start with you. most likely, there will not be, why , because if, say, kimchinin was going to attack south korea, then he would not hand over 1.5 million shells to the russian side, much less

would he hand over ballistic missiles to it, well , on the eve of the war, when they they need themselves. however, why do i allow anyway a small possibility is that it is possible , as a rule, as niedsha wrote, when you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into us, and two countries can screw themselves up so much, but from now on north korea works for putin, that is, it does everything for that south korea and the whole world in general would be horrified, yes, that is, it is an old russian method, like that. i shouted to everyone that i'm loaded with a grenade and that they should be afraid of you, so they can screw themselves up, screw it up, some get off something , others, and bluff their way into the war. thank you, mr. viktor, mr. vitaly, well, as a person who has been to both north and south korea, i can say to myself that at the moment i

have no, let's say, confidence that kim. the younger ones will not start a local provocation that can take the form, escalation, wars, as it was last time in the 50s, it will not happen there, but the fact that they are ready for a local conflict to the maximum escalation, it is similar to that, although in the relations between south and north korea there were cases when they were almost in steps from this in 2010. the north koreans shelled the same islands they are shelling now, and then there were military and civilian casualties, and this led to the breakdown of a number of agreements between north and south korea, but i would like to remind you that kim jr. is copying his grandfather kimersen in everything, and under kimersen they were precisely these provocations. let me remind you that after the end of the korean war in 1968, the north korean special forces

carried out a so-called raid on the blue house, this is the president's house in ... seoul in 1968 after the end with admiration hostages, shooting at seoul in populated areas and so on. the north koreans taught, taught japanese citizens about oysters to train their spies, that is, the grandfather was ready for provocations, for symmetrical responses. and it seems to me that a grandson who copies his grandfather in everything from appearance to external political style can take radical steps. it is a radical provocation, but for this he needs... a rebuff from beijing, because 98% of all foreign economic transactions of north korea are reflected through china, accordingly, if china agrees, then this provocation will take place, if china is not ready for this, then everything will end with another request to provide food aid, as it also happened in the history of relations. thank you, mr.

vitaly, mr. taras, well, look, first of all, i added another conflict going on, about what time. now he forgets, it is the houthis, now they are actually destroying international logistics, it is a proxy of iran, in fact, that is why not only israel, not only ukraine, but also the houthis are thinking, it is worth paying attention to this, it already has a huge influence on the world trade, just not everyone feels it, further, i believe that there is a high probability that there will still be a local conflict, i would not underestimate north korea again here, what they transferred... shells and so on, i doesn't mean anything because we don't know what's going on in north korea, the following might have happened in north korea: russia could have transferred technology... money, china could have provided equipment, and we don't know, maybe there are already 500,000 people in north korea plowed

in factories for food crops, as it were in the soviet union, so i would not underestimate the situation, especially since my country is very closed, i would not consider north korea as a separate entity here, so they are not completely controlled by beijing, but they are more of a proxy, for beijing, because great dependence, as mr. kulyk emphasized, on china's economic relations with china, and china is currently pursuing a strategy of creating a number of such conflicts in order to disperse the forces, primarily of the united states of america and the west, in order to create a favorable situation for the future. happy return to taiwan, i do not rule out that the next point could be the philippines, and those countries, and the philippines, and south korea have almost

indirect treaties of mutual assistance, that of the united states of america, in south korea there is a contingent of the united states of america , so the creation of another point in the hot spot, especially in... asia in order to shake the confidence in the first place in the united states of america in this region, i consider highly probable, and here i will answer our viewers who ask to what or north korea, there is a direct connection. we must to understand, first of all, south korea and japan also provide aid to ukraine, i am sure that there is military cooperation, this means that the beginning of the war between north korea and the south. e- aid can be reduced quite significantly, this is the first, second, if such a conflict already begins, it means that the possibilities

of the united states to help ukraine are also reduced, and why? because we have to understand the simple thing that unlike south korea, japan, the philippines, the united states of america has specific obligations that are backed up to... the united states of america does not have any obligations to ukraine under the signed agreements, and we must clearly understand this and soberly assess the situation. thank you, mr. taras. let's return to internal ukrainian topics and internal ukrainian issues. on january 10, 11, or rather in january, the verkhovna rada of ukraine will consider the draft law in its first reading. about mobilization, it is known that there are five draft laws, one of them is governmental, four are alternative, but come on, gentlemen,

let's talk about how it will all turn out take place in the context of today, because today there were several demonstrative episodes that testify that the government, when it talks about justice and that the mobilization must... be fair, that society must be fair, must first of all be fair with regard to other participants in the political process , including ukrainians, the first episode refers to the resolution on the dismissal of mariana bezuglai from the post of chairperson, deputy chairperson of the parliamentary committee on national security and defense, today they tried to ask the verkhovna rada about the resignation of beuzyula from the post of deputy. nothing came of it, because ruslan stefanchuk, the chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, simply took over and closed the meeting after the tribune was blocked by representatives of european

solidarity, who demanded the resignation of mariana bezugla from the post of deputy chairman of the parliamentary committee, let's see how it went. this has not happened in the verkhovna rada for a long time, blocking the tribune, a shame and such a provocative question, mariana bezugla and ruslan stefanchuk nevertheless, he did everything so that marijana bezugla would not be... was removed from the position of deputy head of the parliamentary committee , bezugla wrote on her facebook: for the truth they were burned at the stake. mr. viktor, how do you

assess this... the whole story, because this, well, this is a kind of prologue to tomorrow's big discussion, because tomorrow will probably be even more heated regarding the law on mobilization, well, yes, maryana did not tell, for which the truth is ready to go to death, it is ready to be burned, for the truth they were burned, and that confirmation is christian that when something happens one day as a tragedy, then as a comedy. her words can be interpreted as such, and you know, when i am here for the second time, i heard from you today, and the second time she smiled at me, yes, smiled, because it is considered, well, i think that it cannot be interpreted differently, but what is telling, it is telling that the arahamia did not give her up and did not give up their own in the majority, although even among the servants of the people they understand that maryana has flirted, and maryana

carries someone else's, carries a heresy, and in general , we don't like her there given the plan so quit well, it is in general absolute heresy, because they cannot, well, our military cannot share plans in an environment where these plans will immediately become known to the enemy, eh, but it is telling, it is telling that... arachamia, which means and the office of the president, they did not hand over to maryana, we understand that the verkhovna rada is governed by the office of the president, it is not an institution, with all the details that flow from it, although , it is not known why, because maryana is now taking favors and personally from zelensky's rating, because there are very few people in the country who do not believe

absolutely insane, that's all. mr. vitaliy, does this story with a corner do not indicate that the servants of the people are not so inclined to compromise, because in principle, what was it worth to them to remove mariana from the position of deputy head of the parliamentary committee, but to keep her in the parliamentary committee, and in this way to demonstrate that they can play a big political game for a long time, because that's how you... it turns out that, well, they say again that we are a mono-power, a mono-majority, and again all the parliamentary forces simply break down on this a wall, not a misunderstanding, and then there is no talk of any compromise or any joint conversation, it's just impossible to talk. well, first of all, let's take a look at the latest statements . just a few minutes ago , information appeared that the meeting of the servants of the people faction decided to send

the draft law for revision... this means that it will not be considered tomorrow. therefore , the question arises, why shoot bezula if there is still a time lag when you can use her criticism and her position to cause image losses the ministry of defense or the general staff there personally, diligently, yes? that is, they still had to complete a certain amount of tasks related to this ping-pong game. short-term draft law, this is firstly, secondly, well , although now there is already information from arahami, that he suggests to the deputies of other factions not to comment on the meeting of his faction, but he also says that such personnel decisions will be adopted after conciliation council, well, it is obvious that after this fund fund ends with some decision, what to do with this draft law, introduce it into room for consideration or send it to

the author of the bill for revision. then the cabinet of ministers, and after that a personnel decision will be made, most likely bezulu will indeed be removed as the deputy chairman of the committee, but let me remind you that she remains the chairman of the parliamentary subcommittee for the supervision of the security and defense sector, this is first, and secondly a member of the committee, of course, that there will not be a tribune itself, moreover, i believe that parliamentary supervision is also an important direction, where it will naturally manifest itself in everything and we will see it all, well yes but the information just appeared, you are right about the fact that... the majority of servants are in favor of returning the law on mobilization for revision, well, let's see how the introduction of this bill will be tomorrow, because without a vote and return for revision, without introduction to the hall it is impossible to return this bill for revision, that is, i understand that the presentation will still take place tomorrow. mr. taras, today not only maryana bezugla was at...