which was really considered step by step and improved or, let's say, discussed , but again, i want to say once again, let's not forget about the bill on registers, because there are a lot of negative norms that wanted to introduce the law on mobilization, unfortunately, it is not there either decides, for example, when we talk with you about obd, there are also, well, mr. yaroslav can correct me, there are also a lot of anti-constitutional norms, that is, all this must be considered in a complex way and very... it is possible that the authorities still have this responsibility i took it upon myself, and if the pole's alternative decision is possible and should be a presidential bill, which would be absolutely logical, because he had previously submitted it eight times, and the question of the ministry of defense, again, is not a question of the military, worthy or unworthy, it is a question of our state, this is the question of our mobilization, the question of the future of our state in general, or are we... well, during martial law, and therefore the one

who actually slows down these processes is some kind of sabotage, as for me, that's why we need to find the political will, finalize the normal text bill, assemble the parliament, vote, and you know, not look for any reasons that this bill will worsen someone's ratings there, now it's really a question of responsibility and unpopular decisions. and not to introduce some illegal, some anti-constitutional draft laws, that is, this means that the government itself is sabotaging mobilization, and what has now been done in terms of information is demotivation, because the law on mobilization, it must answer questions about demobilization, and to be honest, it is also very important to shorten the chain of these actions, yes, when there is a speaker, a leader, a servant of the people. the government

, the ministry of defense, the general staff, that is, you know, let's not make our military hostages of some such personal fears in the hierarchy of the seats of power, that is, it is an extremely high price for this, thank you, thank you, ms. maria, mr. yaroslav, well, ms. maria says the right things in principle and about the fact that the mobilization concerns the whole country, and it does not only affect... the supreme commander-in-chief has political responsibility there, and this is the political responsibility of all power, both legislative, executive, and military, this is a question the future of our state, this is the question of those people who are now at the front, i understand that now the supreme council will return to this new draft law already in february, do i understand it correctly? not

quite right, now one of the scenarios , i emphasize, this is not the final information, as you saw, not only the congress of the united states works very unpredictably, but the verkhovna rada also, that next week, previously sounded tuesday, i think a little later , nevertheless, there will be an additional meeting at which the final will be adopted a decision on another draft law on the military... register, and accordingly, it is possible that by this time some revised version of the law on mobilization will be introduced, there are separate questions regarding the regulations, in general, how it will be introduced, because the government also withdrew its draft law, and the four alternative bills still remain, but there is a certain probability that in january even before... the opening of the new session

of the parliament, as it were in february, the bill on changes, yes, regarding mobilization in the first reading, will be considered, and therefore i wouldn't do it yet predictions about specific dates, but there is definitely such a possibility, i am sure that the war is not waiting, that is, everyone said correctly here, just maybe. to repeat that everyone is present on the air, and as the constitutional majority of the ukrainian parliament has already made a decision on mobilization eight times , just as it has made a decision on the extension of martial law many times, well, the first of them was made on february 24, 2022, so we have mobilization, we have certain resolutions of the government and other regulatory acts which... him

are regulated, and, unfortunately, no one is stopping it , well, because the war has not yet ended with our victory, that's why i wouldn't do it. here and there some apocalyptic predictions or statements that postponing the review for a couple of weeks , which would have been, let's be honest, finished only in february, somehow changed the course of mobilization, but i have a colleague, my ex-colleague, a journalist, now a member of the defense committee, serhiy rokhman, he has a very appropriate ... to this phrase that haste and speed are different things, well, i think that it is not necessary to explain that in the law, which is the most important in the entire history of our tenure, and one of the most painful , including that it affects everyone, and poor quality,

and sometimes quite outrageous, including legal errors, can have enough traffic consequences for specific tens of thousands, if not millions of people, so again, the situation that came out in the parliament is shameful from the point of view of communication, well , i don’t even want to tell now just how it was and well that it was painful to watch especially as certain of our politicians initially tried to shift this responsibility, but the fact that the parliament stood for both subjectivity and the right to make a normal text with a normal legal justification, taking into account the position of the human rights ombudsman, taking into account some proposals of others ministries, at least take the time to calculate

how much we need for this money, because there are no such calculations, at least not as of now, so i think that this is the only... the right way out, it is a pity that it is not immediately what i am sure of has been done said many guests of your broadcast, starting from christmas, when the text was entered , well, unfortunately, such a process was proposed to us by representatives of the authorities, and unfortunately, i only received some normal logical continuation today, thank you mr. yaroslav, so please, let me to add because yaroslav correctly says that, in principle, the parliament stood up for, and did not allow, let's say so, the implementation of anti-constitutional norms in the draft law, but the parliament is already a consequence, and when we talk about mobilization, there is indeed an active law, but you and i too long

we are talking about what it is, what norms need to be changed, how it needs to be improved, because the country is not only now in a state of war, but in a state of very active military operations. and it is also important for us, when you asked me, mr. serhiy, about the importance of those norms that were changed, it is about training, training of military personnel, because well, it will help not only to ensure the replenishment of the army, but to really make rotations normal, vacations for defenders, well i.e., which have been fighting for almost two years, and if we were also to speak honestly about the losses, and society must also understand that this is not a fairy tale and that active military actions are taking place every day. but really, this complicated communication and , well, let's say this, the lack of any such adequate explanation regarding the future norms of the draft laws that took place and there were temporary restrictions, it caused this panic and this information chaos, and therefore it is important to draw conclusions, indeed, this

draft law was withdrawn, put a logical stop there, which concerns the four alternatives, and a document will be returned, where the norms will already be really changed, and all the anti-constitution will be cleared. that is, especially if, because it will definitely be passed, and it is very important that it be approved, be effective, and people will be motivated, not demotivated. thank you, ms. maria, ms. elizaveta, why did the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine, president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi personally present this bill, do you have an answer to this question or not? i think that it is the responsibility of everyone, the branches of government, not just to discuss and present this bill, but to decide what will be in it, i think that president zelensky, yes

just like our chief general zaluzhnyi, said recently, more than once, that mobilization is very important and we must fight. there will be many, president zelenskyi, who is currently abroad on important foreign trips, at his press conferences, also answered questions about those people who are now outside ukraine, men, what will happen to them, what will happen to mobilization of those who are now abroad? i think the communication is going, and with regard to the presentation, this bill, this issue is very much one that affects everyone, and i i am worried about the fact that the ministry of defense, the government and the parliament... still finalize the version of the law that we very much need,

at the moment, as my colleagues have already said, well , it happened, how it happened, we probably weren't sure about it , that the law is in the form in which it should be adopted now, so i hope that in the coming days, finalization will take place, we will know what will happen to the alternative draft laws, what norms from there... will be taken and used in the future law, this we will know all about this in the near future, it is 100%, not a war is waiting, as you said, because we simply do not have the opportunity to sit and wait, when there, i don't know, in the spring to pass this law, it should happen soon, thank you, ladies and gentlemen, we have to take a short break, let's go back to our studio in a few minutes, do not switch. kratle contains

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if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone and vote. if you trust the current leadership of the verkhovna rada 0800-21381, no 0800 211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i want to remind you that today on our broadcast on... maria ionova and elizaveta yasko, we are not only talking about mobilization, because today the government withdrew its project on mobilization and promises to introduce a new version of the draft law for consideration by the verkhovna rada of ukraine, this was stated, in particular, by the minister of defense rustam umyerov, and it will be in the near future, as he said, and taking into account the criticism and comments that... there were, which were until now, against the background of how the verkhovna rada of ukraine

tried to approach the consideration of the law on the draft law on mobilization, in the ministry of defense itself the fight against those continues officials or contractors or subcontractors who provide the armed forces of ukraine with various services, the state bureau of investigation reported the arrest today. one of the largest suppliers of the ministry of defense, who tried to bribe the investigator, refers to the lviv businessman ihor grynkevich, actually a whole family, a whole family that... worked with the ministry of defense, it means several companies that supplied various products the armed forces of ukraine, well, the ministry of defense of ukraine, and from the end of the 23rd 2018, the sbi is investigating the dealings of a lviv businessman with purchases of clothes and underwear for the armed forces of ukraine for 15 billion hryvnias.

more than half of his 23 contracts with the ministry of defense were not fulfilled. hrenkevych wanted to give an investigator a bribe of $500,000 for assisting in the return of property seized during the investigation. the ministry has already terminated all contracts with companies that were connected to the hrenkevich family. today , real estate, premium vehicles owned by the businessman's family, and accounts of controlled him. company, ladies and gentlemen, i wanted to ask you, the ministry of defense during the last two years is simply shaking from corruption scandals, then eggs are bought at 17 hryvnias, then some companies earn simply billions of hryvnias or maybe even billions of dollars, it is not known for sure that you

tell me why this is happening, first of all, and who... is responsible for it, because it is clear that the hrynkevich family no longer earned 7 billion by itself. mrs. maria, please, mr. sergey, i also have the same question number one, who will be responsible for this responsibility? well, because we can already see that, for example, in the western media, we are no longer concerned with war, but with the fight against corruption, yes, what kind of corruption is there in ukraine, and i'm sorry. this is not only a matter of domestic politics, because without the continuation of such systemic reforms, there will be no substantive discussions, neither about nato nor about the eu, and all, if the promises of the partners that we have today, are actually an advance, and this advance was obtained for us by the armed forces of ukraine, as well as what concerns both the candidacy and the beginning

negotiations, yes, some part was done by some state institutions, but on ... really, this is more of a heroic feat of the security and defense sector, but when we talk at the same time about, well, corruption in the ministry of defense, especially in the procurement sector, well, of course, what it distances us from the critically necessary membership in nato, the eu, and simply, in principle, it is very shameful in its essence, because all the scandals, they destroy the image of the country, and first of all , the president, and the government and... the parliament, and therefore if in principle, these are endangered scandals of international military and economic aid, and you and i can already see that what concerns the united states and the eu is not only domestic politics, but it is also used a lot, let's say, what

is happening in our country no, such scandals, skeptics use against us, that's why. partners, taxpayers, in other countries, they really don’t understand why they should give money to projectiles there, when the ukrainians, the ukrainian authorities, well, how do things go on to steal on an absolutely huge scale, you we just heard in the report, and i'm sorry , but we understand that no country in the world has succeeded in fighting corruption completely, but we, we have created an anti-corruption infrastructure, but this, unfortunately,... since 2019, it is completely controlled by the office of the president and there are no independent leaders, so the government’s struggle now with corruption is more like, you know , such sports slavery, when they catch him, take pictures, and then release him, because , excuse me, when you say 17 eggs, there is a poor-quality uniform, unfulfilled contracts for munitions, drones, and there are guilty

verdicts, well, that is, i would like that , after all, well... in some corruption case , an end was put, and people were not released, so, well, with zelensky, as with the pov, he has all the fullness authorities, and we have to understand that , for example, there are such appointments as the accounting chamber, the person who owns zelenskyi's villa there, well, this is simply unacceptable, we will still be forced by the parliament to change this decision, but why expose the country, it's just something again, it's something constant internal sabotage from the authorities. thank you, thank you, ms. maria, ms. elizaveta, do you perceive these stories that are happening as part of your responsibility, because monopower implies monoresponsibility. if there is a monomajority, there is a government appointed by the verkhovna rada of ukraine with a monomajority, and all power in the country actually belongs to

representatives of the "servant of the people" party. that is, when you hear about these scandals, do you feel your co-responsibility for it? i 'll tell you, when i hear about such and such scandals, when i find out, i get very upset scary and shameful, first of all, as a person. uh, for moral, ethical reasons, i just can't imagine how it's possible that when there is so much tragedy in the country that someone makes money from it, well, i don't understand how it's even possible, i, i can't, i don't know, maybe i'm just that kind of person, but now i want to say emotionally, i'm just a shame, it's a shame, er, regarding your question, i don't agree with the fact that, first of all, the whole power belongs to the monomajority, we know that, unfortunately, no matter how much we all want it, that's it

control, unfortunately, the situation is now such that there are those people who abuse in various places, they do not always occupy the positions of managers, it can be different officials, it can be different... representatives of different bodies who are quietly doing something engage in corruption, huge or small , we know such stories, and here i am talking about the fact that we know these stories, i want to protect the government, and the government in general, all of us, in that the anti-corruption structures that we created they started to act, it's not my first time on the air i say this to you because i think... that we didn't hear about these stories before, it hurts us so much to hear about these stories now, but without them we won't be able to see that

the investigations are being carried out, that those who committed the crimes are guilty , are responsible, i know 100% that the number of cases open about corruption, and that, that is the real work that is being done. corruption bodies, it is not commensurate in size than it was before, now a lot of work is being done to make everyone who is somehow related to corruption responsible for it, and sit, and you know, a few weeks ago, for example, i visited our lukyanivske sizo as part of a meeting with our ministry of justice, and one of those very serious impressions, which i learned about, that, for example... those who are sitting now for treason , there aren't enough cameras, we're doing a lot

of this and that kind of work right now, that's why we can't actually talk about the fact that there are no results, but of course i'd just like there to be no such shame, you can't steal in war, it is necessary constantly, every ukrainian tries help with everything. maybe someone is making money from it, it's not just a disgrace, it 's, you know, it's necessary that of course the judicial system brings this person who steals to justice, but also some higher powers, because it's simple, higher powers, that's no , not god now, but people who are in the highest echelons of power, you meant, no, i meant precisely that the higher powers in heaven see everything. mr. serhiy, may i ask a question, ms. ali, yes, yes, if you remember, lisa, petzkan was fired from the accounting chamber precisely because he found these

abuses in the ministry of defense, and he was then removed from the head of the accounting chambers, now they have appointed 100% their own person, zelenskyi, tell me, please, did you vote for ms. pishchanska? no, i didn't specifically vote because i wasn't present at that vote, but... in general i support the appointment decision, yes, that is, the appointment, because that is our faction position, the faction position, yes, that is, you accept that one hundred percent a person, not an independent, that is , there should be an independent person, you work on the foreign affairs committee, you heard the g7 statement, that there should be an independent head of this state institution, but the faction decided that one hundred percent zelensky's man should still lead, do you think. faction of the servants of the people in this so. thank you for your reply. mr. yaroslav, what do you say about all these corruption scandals, who

is responsible for them? or those who appointed these people , or those people who were supposed to control these abuses, well, it's not 3 kopecks they steal, but 1 billion, 2 billion, that is , in general, crazy money, and for our viewers who are watching us now , well, obviously everything the government looks like it steals, well, everything , everything, everyone, without exception, you understand, let 's start with the basic things, and the budget... of our entire country before the war was 1.63 hryvnias, now the expenditures last year were only on defense 1.9 hryvnias, that is, i named these figures so that you understand that now the defense budget is 300 billion more than

it was before. the entire budget of the country, and that is why there are such large sums, and that is why there is so much corruption, now, as for m corruption, specifically mine defense, mm, let's consider a few examples, and this will be the answer to the question of who is to blame and what has been done to prevent this from happening again. example number one: corruption. the p-17 egg scandal was obvious information about corruption, which for a long time no one saw as a basis for a response, and the previous minister stayed in his position after this scandal for eight months, unpunished evil always returns, so there was another investigation, to which i

personally... and those involved, because it was investigated, including thanks to the materials of our tska. this is a winter uniform and they came the relevant deputies, some of them were already in the pre-trial detention center there, and the others, who had not yet been sent there, came in front of me and all the members of the anti-corruption committee, they told us that everything was fine there, they even personally showed the minister some jackets. thank god that then the partners were pressed and the leadership of the ministry of defense was dismissed, just a few months later we learned from the case files that the theft there was even hundreds of millions, as we thought, i think 1.5 billion or something. and that's what well conditionally on the surface, and who is to blame, i think

it is no secret that the previous minister did not... many problems that exist, especially corruption ones, our problems are and have not only facts, they have specific names, surnames and positions, usually there is a prefix, the president's office, but did the law enforcement respond to this? organs in most cases no, including on specific examples of the form, while there is no stavoslav, i'm sorry, the time of our program is just coming to an end, so we have to finish, i 'll be very brief then, that now what i see in terms of tenders has become much better than it was six months ago, so thank god, is there any positive trend there, thank you , yaroslav

zheleznyak, during the program, we conducted a survey, we asked you whether you trust the leadership of the verkhovna rada. now let's look at the screen, the poll results: 8% yes, 92% - no. on youtube we have about the same ratio of 8% yes 92% do not. i put an end to this, it was the program verdict pre serhii rudenko. i say goodbye to you and wish you all the best. on january 22, at 7:30 p.m., the vinyl agency presents a special guest, taras chubai, to the stage of the lviv opera and the songs sung by all of ukraine.