in the mass media, many people have taken action in this regard, and therefore it is definitely necessary to say and show every day how much we destroy the personnel of the enemy's weapons equipment, but it is necessary to say and objectively show that due to the fact that they are much more than us are losing, but they are moving forward, taking over our territory, at least in small steps, but it is happening, and it's just to begin with. it must be stopped, stopped, if we do not have enough weaponry, i also emphasize the objective law of war, it is possible at the expense of armed men, how many can we collect, as soon as possible, and who will defend and stop them at the front, and this too must be understood and objectively shown to the people, to the people of our society, so that the society will be more supportive of the issue of ee... the fight against the enemy, and not

the question of how to provide platforms to lawyers who will tell how one should behave as an evasive person in order to flee abroad in order to evade the defense forces of ukraine, to serve and fulfill one's constitutional duty, mr. general, we literally don't have it anymore almost there is no time, well, continuing the topic of telling the truth, and the fact that we keep our losses secret. and with that everyone agreed that it is right and good, i just, for example, watching this for two years, being as it were in the thick of the information flow, i see at least two negative consequences of this: first, today anyone, and this is done by all kinds of bloggers , for example, they say that 500,000 should be called up to the army, so we have such losses, this is the first moment, and the second moment, if we have, relatively speaking, as if there are no losses, because we do not have them let's vote, because it's like ours doesn't exist, and accordingly, no one has. that these losses

are accounted for, well, relatively speaking, we don't understand what the price is, what is paid for, society doesn't know this, well, it's just, how, relatively speaking, to present claims to some specific colonel or general, who, for example, has huge losses in the unit , if, in principle, the same accounting does not go anywhere, except to the general headquarters and to president zelenskyi, you understand what i am talking about now, that is, if we are going to a big social agreement, what should we delegate... 5,000 young, healthy men who will be risking their lives, do we have the right to demand a little more information about how these lives are being disposed of, by and large yes, because these are putting bunches to the lips, silence regime, all that other stuff, revolves around what anyone needs , they look for it in other sources, and it is taught abroad all the time, you will see, every day we discuss something, that there is a telegraph, there,

well, i will not calculate, pain, everything else is taught, and people they use it, but we have it it is impossible, because then ours will show the true situation right there, there must be a compromise, there must still be actions to control this, but not such comprehensive that leads to the informational consequences that we have negative, over the past year overheating from society, means in anticipation, which did not happen and the consequences of such a situation, if they tried to change it, i see, and it must be done here, too, because we need to build aid based on an objective critical assessment of what is happening at the front defense forces of ukraine, and for this, the society as a whole must combine all assistance, and this can be done only on

the basis of providing truthful information, including at the front. thank you very much for the conversation, lieutenant general ihor romanenko was with us, deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine in 2006-2010, the founder of the balody fund, let's close the sky of ukraine, let's go now for a short break, then we'll come back and we'll have people's deputy of ukraine oksana savchuk, with whom we will talk about what is happening around this draft law about mobilization, stay with us. there are discounts on bronchipred 20% in drugstores, plantain for you and the saver, pain can become an obstacle on foot with steps, not with my knees from pain in the knees , try dolgit cream dolgit cream relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility with dolgit cream, you can also walk dolgit - the only yellow cream for pain in the joints with muscle spasms tablets dolgit anti-convulsions

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what is happening. the cabinet of ministers withdrew from the verkhovna rada his bill on changing the rules of mobilization of military registration and military service. well, it’s really a bit strange, because this is a bill that was not drafted immediately, there were working groups that worked on it, but for some reason the cabinet of ministers registered the bill on christmas day, and when it was simply analyzed in the national security committee, ministers of various ministries began to come there, such as the ministry of veterans affairs, social policy, and the ministry of education and to say that there are no proposals of theirs, which they submitted, left in the cabinet of ministers, but for some reason they didn't get there , and besides, there were a lot of different norms that contradicted the current legislation and

it was difficult to implement it even during the war, so all these stories that we saw were somehow twisted in a strange way, and in the first place, this whole swindling of the su...society took place with the participation of the representatives of the monomajority and the faction of the servant of the people, because one of the still acting deputies of the head of the national security , mrs. marianna, she constantly swindled the society with all these things, and began discussions are great, and in general, i believe that this is a completely failed story with mobilization, which primarily today falls on the representatives of the people's servants in the sense of information, and when it was necessary to make any decisions of the committee, the committee did not make any decision, because it even ... got together and in some strange way it was sent for revision, and in half a day

minister umerov said: that's all, that's all, we already have everything new, well, that is, we can understand what is right and what, to be honest, everything went wrong, well but everything turned out really bad, and now the new bill that we are waiting for, we could, by the way, also consider alternative bills, i don't understand how he should return. should it be, it should be in a different version, then there should be alternatives to the other version, well , legally, i don’t understand how it should be, it should be a new draft law, well, it shouldn’t be otherwise, have you already seen the one that will be or haven't had a chance to get acquainted yet, i haven't seen anything new, i've only seen everything that is officially registered, alternative and kepminitsk, which we all saw it, but the new one. i haven't seen it and i haven't seen it even in the national security committee yet, that is, i think it will happen again, well

, i don't rule out that there will be some amendments to this draft law, but most likely it will already be taken into account and it will be at least to be considered, because we have to move, in this particular bill, it has to comply with all the legal regulations, huh, because you see what the situation is now, there are people who can challenge something, etc.? until legislators cannot afford to vote on any legislation or initiatives that become laws for violation of norms, but for some reason in this council , it is absolutely normal, i will tell you even more, it is absolutely wild for me why we have not been able to voice the requests of deputies for three months, including to the president, to other ministers, and there too the question of the military is there, there are specific, clear questions in these questions, and the right of the deputy is being negated because... the speaker does not want to put the question of the deputy's questions on the agenda, it seems that the parliament is now needed only

to collect negative, on bad lawbreakers, maybe someone is interested in this in order for the parliament to gather negativity, and there is a part of people's deputies who understand our responsibility as legislators in the issue of social protection of the military, in the issue of our proposals to the draft law on mobilization and demobilization, because look, they constantly spoke to society about the fact that this is a bill about mobilization and caused such controversy, but few people said that in this bill there is an opportunity for boys who are fighting to return and in fact every day the postponement of this draft law is not due to the fault of the parliament, but due to the fault of the cabinet, which i understand, mrs. oxanro, you don't think that this is quite a populist norm, well, that is , reality. such that if there is a full-scale invasion even after 36 months, and russia continues to carry out mobilizations, well, realistically

, ukraine is unlikely to be able to demobilize people who already have good experience and education, well, that’s the reality, yes, accordingly, it has should be decided in a different way than simply promising that everyone who is 36 months old is already on at the front, you will simply go somewhere to rest, and the others will come, well, that sounds cool, i understand that it is liked by those who... have been fighting for two years, who have already been wounded and recovered and were sent to the front again, this is terrible, this seems unfair, especially with the fact that for the majority of men, young men , it is not about this war at all, everyone is doing their own thing, yes, but is it called a populist approach, well you, or you don't promise what you can't deliver , about what the military say, by the way, look, i i personally know several of my friends , whom i am familiar with, who... are really begging, they are constantly fighting in the trenches, and they

are begging to have the opportunity to rest at least for six months, by the way, they are very motivated, because they left themselves, those who left themselves in the first months, uh, they 're really tired and tired now, and they just need to switch, and they're ready, by the way, to come back, yes, by the way, they already have their own proposals, like they see, as they see, these renewals of the life of every military man, as they see military training, and i think that's a good thing, so things don't change so quickly in personnel rotations and changes from... whatever you want, but it's changing, and in this new bill we have, by the way, or in the next , because i understand that this is unrealistic, we should also think about alternatives, we have all heard that mobilization, war, we understand that this is a very expensive business, but we have, for example, border areas, and there are men , which can, if

they are allowed at the legislative level, in the form of dftg, in which they... are part of, because now we have all disbanded dtf. by the way, they came there and created very effective teams there, because they knew each other, they supported each other, they had instructors, and such stories as border monitoring, in sumy region, in chernihiv region, in part of rivne region, etc., can lead these troops in the form of dftg, which will actually require less expenditure of funds, because they live there, they can change their shifts, that is, we need to come up with different models, and secondly, the person must clearly understand that they will really be trained on training grounds, and this training will be effective, and she will be able to undergo 3-4 months of training before being sent to the front, and the second is training for bodyguards, these are the people who

should definitely undergo training in order to to provide medical care. in order to navigate, believe me, we will not get anywhere from this, i understand that the financial situation may be holding us back, but we understand that we will always have an enemy, russia, and we have to move on to these additional trainings for the civilian population . okay, er, about the question of justice in the mobilization, how do you see its solution, how to make the mobilization so that the society would feel. that this justice is served? look , first of all i want to say that the draft law that is currently being considered in the parliament, yesterday we went into its review 1062, about electronic registers, this is somewhere in fact a certain publicizing

of those people who should be military -obligated reservists, and so it's easier . will still check its activities, including the tsc, because justice is sometimes lost at the level of the tsc or at the level of the vlk, and a person does not get there, and those people who get there are those who are not always effective, so it is in these electronic registers, my only remark, these electronic registers should contain, and you... only the information that is needed military for the conscript himself, there is no need to include where the person left , arrived, bills, cards, etc., these things, they are taken away now, and i hope that in this edition we will vote, and through these transparent registers, this is partially at least the way to make it the justice you are talking about

you say, how should these electronic registers function, there is already an understanding, that is, how are they? are made, people have to volunteer, they must register under some fine or criminal sanctions, how will it be checked, how will they be selected from those people who have registered in this database, so how can you find people who have not registered in this database base and in principle decided that it is that they do not want to participate in this whole history, well, in a word, there are a lot of questions and that in the end, i search for this base of people? then, is it somehow correlated with fedorov's statements that we will supply 50,000 video cameras, as i understand it, with facial recognition, that people will be caught on the streets with the help of cameras, well , simply, is there an understanding of how this will all be implemented, we still have 5 minutes left, well, look, the situation is really difficult for me now, and i will tell you honestly,

it is difficult for me to imagine how it will all be checked and how objective it will be, but i am... significantly does not think that the cameras will change the situation, rather with mobilization, faster after all, we always have some new stories about where to spend money, and it is sometimes difficult to follow, but eh, if we are talking about a whole database, well, at least at least at the start there will be something that we will understand, who has which specialty and where which specialty is lacking, this. the second story is that there are still people who really have a big niche for themselves, namely, they are specialists, engineers who can... do the work they do, and for this entrepreneurs pay taxes for them, and this is also the financing of the armed forces, that is, they are working on something important, uh

, that the ministry of defense knows, because we still have a problem with personnel, these are the people who have to quickly roll drones, make basic hygiene support products for servicemen, and we have to go to this, to this system because now a lot of it is done simply by entrepreneurs, volunteers, and it is not on such a scale as, for example, our occupier, who completely diverted part of his economy to military flights, and it is clear that it is not a democratic country there, and there is no one there at all no one asks, and there people are forced to work, we have a different situation , but we have to motivate these people, and therefore, if you talk about military... methods about force, about catching people, everyone should understand that this is not one of the ways to we will effectively replace people at the front, if we do not start talking about

such basic basic goals, about patriotism, about responsibility, it will be very difficult to recruit people only by such forceful and moral methods, and this is a social package, this is training, this is punishment, including those... commanders who mistreat and disrespect the soldier, and when the boys see this, they will understand that the country needs to be defended, and the situation will not be so critical, and in the end, get rid of those people's deputies and all those people who screw up the situation, which uh, so they are doing everything possible to offend the poor man, to put it mildly, not to offend, but simply to heap such political slander on him and... and all this does not contribute to the fact that people are interested, in the end i'm ms. oksana, i wanted to ask a short question, there are literally two minutes left, regarding the fact that signatures are being collected

for stefanchuk's resignation, and by the way , a publication appeared on ukrainian pravda, which literally accuses stefanchuk and the top of the servants of the people of introducing a dictatorship in the parliament, in particular, this applies, for example, to the ban on commenting, traveling abroad for oppositionists, from... the most vivid known fact is that honcharenko and oleksiy wanted to be removed from the interparliamentary delegation, and, as serhiy sedorenko writes about it, the europeans actually had to give he was given a leadership position in order to force, well, to leave him in the ukrainian delegation, and that huge dissatisfaction is brewing there, which can explode even with an official document, in the end, which will hit hard. on our reputation and will add a lot of arguments to all the ramasvas who shout that ukraine is not a democracy. well, look, i agree with the fact that the decision to touch honcharenko was wrong in general,

because he does his work there quite professionally, and all the members of the ukrainian delegation in paris also addressed this, if anyone i don't like it, in the president's office, well , i'm sorry, we are not a one-party country, we have different ideas... people, including a lot of professionals, and i believe that the more we have a closed regime in the parliament, the more more allow themselves to violate these rules, for example, what i already told you today, to not give the deputies the right to submit their requests for more than three months, and sometimes the only possibility is to submit a person posthumously for the title of hero, etc., that is, through these procedures, and in fact this... doesn't add anything to the speaker for a long, long time and it definitely will a wave of indignation and that's normal , change the speaker, send journalists under the dome and

finally start managing affairs in the country, the parliament actually exists for this, we have a parliamentary republic, i remind you for those who have forgotten, thank you ms. oksano savchuk, we had a people's deputy of ukraine with us non-partisan, we are now going on a short break and will be back with the polish expert marek sierant. we will talk about the blocking of the border and what is happening, why relations have not somehow improved with the change of government, relations between poland and ukraine, stay with us. attention, an incredible novelty from rozpakuy tv: super warm and very comfortable alaska style boots. perfect fit, water-repellent material and warm feeling. even in 30-degree frost, the alaska stayle boots have a versatile design and practical black color, so they will fit both men and women, sizes 36 to 46,

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