because north korea has recently already tested an intercontinental ballistic missile, which means that russia has transferred these technologies to it, due to the corresponding russian investments, these missiles can eventually fly over the united states itself, which, in principle, russia only needs. three committees of the house of representatives of the congress of the united states of america, headed by republicans, published a proposed plan for victory in ukraine, in which president biden was criticized. for insufficient aid to ukraine and proposed an action plan, including providing ukraine with the necessary weapons as soon as possible, strengthening sanctions against putin and his allies, transferring frozen assets of the russian federation to ukraine. mr. mykhailo, why are our western partners delaying to provide ukraine with those weapons that could, in principle, not just stop the russian federation, but push the troops of the russian federation out of the territory. of ukraine and break these

logistics that are on the territory of the russian federation, military airfields that are within flight distance of a good cruise missile, and in general, what they are afraid, that is, they are afraid of the third world war, well, it is already emerging in separate components, this third world war in ukraine, in the middle east, the houthis, north korea. that is, in fact, what happened in the 30s in europe, in japan and in italy, well , i mean germany, italy, japan, this triangle, now it is also the same triangle, but this triangle can still be nipped in the bud there , but so far our western partners are holding back and trying to fight russia hand in hand. ukrainians, that is

, not even with their own weapons, but with the hands of ukrainians, that is in the literal sense of the word, their analysts do not calculate the next steps, their politicians do not see how this will end, their politicians do not know the history that was 100 years ago, why this is happening, well this is really absolutely true, this is what i just what he said about east asia and the fact that the formation of this global axis of evil is taking place, the impression is that really... western politicians, western analysts do not see the picture of the world and consider each puzzle separately, in fact they form a single picture, and it is clear, that the aggression is now russia against ukraine is not just some kind of conflict, it's not just a war, it's a reflection of that, that trend in world politics, geopolitics, when it's really not worth it for the western bloc to mobilize its defense industry. or change your military

policy, and you have to actually start fighting against this axis of evil, and here we have a problem, because if you look at the official statements of the biden administration, from the beginning of the large-scale aggression, they basically consisted of , i don't mean there concerning support for ukraine, and with regard to, for example , russia, the main point of these statements, we do not want a direct conflict between the united states and russia, it is very difficult to understand these statements and... the only explanation is that a part, a large part of the elite of the administration, or a part the biden administration, they still live in the world of the cold war, they still have this matrix of the gentlemen's club of the cold war in their heads, when the soviet union and the united states, they played by some rules, they did not allow direct clashes there, there really was no direct war between the united states and by russia, and by the soviet union, sorry, and that was the main thing, as it were, the value base

of that geopolitics in general is completely different now, they do not understand or refuse to understand that russia is not the soviet union, they do not play by the rules , they look at it in a completely different way and can calmly carry out and provoke hot conflicts in europe, they can attack nato countries, expecting that nato will not respond, because including the secretary general of nato, he constantly talks about the fact that the main task is to prevent it direct. between nato and russia, and that is why our western partners really fall into this trap, when they understand that if now , for example, they transfer a thousand attacks to ukraine at once, and, god forbid, even tomahawks, which have a range of 2,500 km there, which in principle will we're just on par with russia, because tomahawks are the same calibers, it's not some terrible weapon there, because when you say tomahawks to some western expert or politician, he just has diptych hair. i say: listen, well, in

russia, russia already has hundreds of calibers against us used it, nothing terrible happened, then let's use a few hundred tomahawks against russia, let's see how it will be, and that's why it's really... it's a problem, a mental problem, a problem really, just understanding that russia is against the soviet union , maybe it requires some kind of transformation of the elites both in the united states and in europe, because, well, in germany, for example, i'm pleasantly surprised by the local political elites who have really just made such a quantum leap in understanding that, that this russia is not the soviet union, it is not a country with which you can talk about anything at all, it is... a country that must be defeated, in any case , the political mood in germany prevails now, which a few years ago was not at all could even think in the german political community, that is, in principle, it is possible now during the election campaign in the united states , these metamorphoses will take place and there will be

an understanding, or it is necessary after all, after all, pel harbor, here it is actually possible that american politics will be arranged like this, until there is pearl harbor there will be no reaction and entry of the actual entry of the united states into the war, unfortunately, they cannot go back, just read what happened several decades ago and draw the correct conclusions that it is necessary to enter earlier before any catastrophes or tragedies of a global scale occur. but , mr. mykhailo, the european countries and the new members of the north atlantic alliance , the baltic countries, understand exactly what russia is and... they know what the boot of a soviet soldier is, and finland knows it, and other countries, as well as poland, er, but, er, the countries over there, spain, portugal, maybe they don’t perceive this whole story, which is unfolding on

the territory of the ukrainian state, in the same way now, er, do they, too, need a repetition, there in the year 39, redistribution. europe and new spheres of influence, but in the 24th year, despite everything, the north atlantic alliance will make the right accents and the right choices, i mean from the point of view of strengthening the power of ukraine and the perception of ukraine as the eastern outpost of the north atlantic alliance, because president zelenskyi is correct today said while in estonia that our... armed forces of ukraine are powerful, they fight with the weapons of the north atlantic alliance, they are the most trained are those resources of the north atlantic alliance that are holding back the russians, or could it happen that

nato would take such actions , or make decisions that will allow us to win in the short term. well, i have no illusions about nato, that is, in fact , the alliance is still a structure that deals with the defense of its members, that is, the members of this organization, they count common defense, and this is the main essence of the alliance, they are very, i mean , the organization itself, very, very skeptical of any functions that go beyond this fifth article, well , that is, for example, to restore order outside nato or take responsibility for the development of the situation in some neighboring region. for example, the best example in this regard is the black sea. as much as we have told the united states individually, but also nato as an organization, please take more

part in the development of the situation in black sea, take responsibility for the development of the situation in this small sea, but which is now fully under control. we said this to russia immediately after the occupation and annexation of crimea, we said that with crimea they occupied and annexed not only crimea, but also half of the black sea, in fact, and they establish their force rules there, completely ignoring maritime international law, international law in general . what did nato do? in principle, nato has expressed deep concerns, but despite the fact that there are basically three nato countries in the black sea, there were no concrete efforts that would, for example, practically increase the presence. nato in the black sea, for example, create the nato black sea fleet, create a permanent command in constanta, the same, there is no nato command in the black sea and so on, the same in other regions, so nato in principle considers any external threat, after all, as a challenge to the alliance, and therefore i

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youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please like this video, follow our pages on these platforms and participate in our vote. today we ask you about the following: do you trust the leadership of the verkhovna rada of ukraine? yes, no, everything is quite simple in youtube, if you have an opinion, a separate one, then you can... leave it in the comments under this video, if you watch us in tv broadcasts, pick up your smartphone and vote if you trust the current leadership of the verkhovna rada 0800 211 381 no. 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, please, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce the guests of today's program, this is yaroslav zheleznyak, a representative of the voice faction. i congratulate you, mr. yaroslav. good evening. elizaveta yasko from the servant of the people faction,

mrs. elizaveta, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening. and maria must also join us. from the european solidarity faction, i hope that this will happen soon, therefore, mr. yaroslav and ms. elizaveta, today the verkhovna rada of ukraine was supposed to consider a bill on mobilization, until the last it was not clear what would actually happen with this bill, as a result, the government withdrew this bill from rustem myerov, the minister of defense of ukraine, has already written on his facebook page that... the ministry of defense, the government and the ministry of defense are preparing a new bill, updated, taking into account remarks that were made at the meeting with people's deputies of ukraine, i understand that today the meeting of the military leadership of the state with the conciliation council of the verkhovna rada of ukraine was closed , if so,

please confirm or deny, mr. yaroslav, yes. to be very brief, to be more detailed, today from 9 o'clock in the morning there were a number of meetings, i would definitely call them conciliation councils, banal, because the regulations are a little different, but they included representatives of factions, some of them included representatives of committee heads , and representatives were also present. various departments related to the field of defense security, in particular the general staff, the ministry of defense, and others, and then there were already discussions in the speaker's office, part of the information was closed with a seal, classified, but one way or another,

the military briefed the people's deputies about the situation . as regards the front and, accordingly , the request for additional resources, including personnel, and after that the decision on mobilization that you announced was made, namely the government on its own withdrew the draft law, that is, we, as people 's deputies , did not make any decisions either at the level of committees, or rather at the level of the parliament, it was a decision of the government, which was at... the regular meeting of the government and, accordingly , now the draft law with the number 10378, this is precisely the draft law on mobilization in the withdrawn status, that is, they listened to the claims or, let's say, comments to this draft law and decided to withdraw it, or what is the reason? well, i probably wouldn't say that it was completely their own decision,

but it looked like the risk of making... that the draft law of the first reading with the recommendations of the committee was allowed to work until the second reading, but it was so large that it would not gain votes and would also receive a sufficiently negative perception by society that the only way out was either to pass the decision on failure, that is, yes, for the parliament to accept it, or the government as the subject of the legislative initiative could withdraw, as the draft law was included in the order. session of the parliament, accordingly, the government chose this option of recall, which was announced to all people's deputies. thank you, ms. elizaveta, your fraction, like others, also had comments on this bill, there are four alternative bills that should be considered, well, if this

procedure started today, you formulated as a fraction... comments that are the most fundamental for of your faction to the draft law that is from the government, what is extra or what needs to be changed in order for this draft law to be supported by your faction? the fact is that this bill is mostly considered in the committee of the committee on national defense, and all the hearings of a closed nature take place. for the members of this committee, and not all deputies have the opportunity to join this, only those who are part of this committee, in our faction and the members of the... faction have completely different feelings about this bill of various provisions, but there is an even bigger problem in fact, we do not fully understand

what the norms will be in this, because there are so many questions, and the risk is too high to accept something that, as my colleague said, will be poorly received by society, it will not just be bad accepted with... by society, it can simply be a huge , scary step if we make a mistake, so all issues related to mobilization, which is very necessary, but which must be very wise, very strategically , we need to correctly approach the issue of criteria, how we mobilize, who we mobilize, how the rotation happens, what happens with people who have certain degrees of disability, regarding the conscription... age, all this should be discussed with the military, with the ministry of defense, with all the departments that directly manage and

form this policy, our role, the role of deputies, is actually historical here in that we cannot make mistakes and we must vote those norms of the draft law that will be necessary for our national security, and yes... will protect our society as much as possible, but this means that many people will have to fight, but it must be done wisely, so that there really is not that very bad possible perception of society, which we all do not want, because we are at war now, and we do not need to have more internal serious problems, so it is better to return it to finalize, it is better to finalize than, ear of corn. something that will be very painful. well, that is, i understand that you agree with the statement that the authorities did not

communicate correctly with society and did not explain what this bill was, but simply society began to discuss this bill, some ukrainians began to buy tickets abroad and stand in queues to the western border, that is, it was not possible... somehow to make this draft law explained to the ukrainians, well , there will be another project, and it is possible in this there is also a problem, look, i say honestly that of course communication could be much better, but today there are so many different problematic issues in this draft law and not only that, unfortunately, it is impossible to idealize and give simple answers, i also want to emphasize... .. that the information war against ukraine by russia is very strong to split our society, so what you said that ukrainians are panicking,

a lot of this information appears from social networks, telegram channels, which spread panic among society. in fact, as we see, the parliament sometimes feels, including, that there are very difficult decisions to be made. they must be done wisely, we can transfer the solution of these issues to improve it, finalize it, so we are all, all people, and we have a lot of experiences every minute, and we know what the real situation is at the front, so here we have to to finalize everything, and regarding communication, unfortunately, unfortunately, it is as it is. ah, but we could not perceive it in any other way except painfully, because this is probably one of the hottest topics for ukrainians at the moment, so

it cannot be otherwise. thank you, we are joined by maria iunova, people's deputy of ukraine from european solidarity, mrs. maria, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. glory to ukraine, good evening. glory to heroes. mrs. maria, today the government withdrew the draft law that it was preparing for consideration , which was... announced on christmas, that is , it was registered on christmas, there were waves of information about this draft law, about the norms of this draft law, well, the government is in order to actually do not pass, do not risk the first reading, i decided to withdraw this draft law, you know exactly what will be changed in the new draft law, i.e. which norms had the most questions from... deputies and complaints about this government project. first, the issue of mobilization has been on our agenda for two years. and the question of mobilizing the draft law, we...

have already extended it eight times, and in two years it is possible to improve those mechanisms that are already in practice over time, and the authorities would see that it is important to change them, and you know, these two incompetents days that unfortunately do not showed no result, and now we hear about the failure of the communication company, maybe there is panic, we already, to be honest, the information space is completely controlled by the authorities. and we know this, the only marathon, the freedom house and everything else, as well as anonymous telegram channels, which are also controlled by the bank, and do not bear any responsibility. our faction of european solidarity immediately said that this draft law in such an absolutely, well , unprofessional form, does not solve the problems of defense and does not solve the problems of mobilization. further i would also consider the issue of mobilization, well, we and the committee worked on the draft law

in the same way. and about the register of military personnel, and unfortunately, we lost a month, it is possible to organize the work of the parliament in such a way that we really work through it, here is the second question, i think everyone has already said, why did not the supreme commander introduce this bill this time, why he was afraid to take responsibility and for some reason blames this, frankly, responsibility on the military, that is, some for... open meetings, i understand that the committee really worked there for three days, they also said that they are ready to work and really returned this bill for revision, but let's not forget, i don't know if mr. zhelezniak said about it, that there are alternative bills that the committee must consider and the verkhovna rada must also reject them, that is, they have already been worked on, but unfortunately, they were not voted on in these two days, and this is such irresponsibility.

and i would like such challenges to be high now, so that, after all, i were an adult politics, and now for this one, who will be responsible, why, let's say, the issue was not resolved within two days, and to be honest, we would very much like to have the parliament meet, as soon as possible, we rejected those alternative projects that currently exist and... the supreme commander must submit a new project taking into account the proposals that the specialized committee has worked out, because when you talk about specific norms, there is a whole matrix and a huge document that was really considered step by step and improved, or shall we say so discussed, but again, i want to say once again: let's not forget about the bill on registers, because there are a lot of negative

norms that we wanted... the law on mobilization, unfortunately, is there, and it does not solve, for example, when we talk with you about obd, there are also, well, mr. yaroslav can correct me, there are also a lot of anti-constitutional norms, that is, all this must be considered in a complex way, and it is very important that the authorities take this responsibility after all, and if the solution was an alternative one, it is possible, and there should be a presidential bill, which would be absolutely logical, because he has submitted eight times so far, and the issue of the ministry of defense, again, is not a question of the military, worthy or unworthy, it is a question of our state, it is a question our mobilization, the question of the future of our state in general, are we under martial law, and therefore the one who actually slows down these processes is some kind of sabotage, as for me, that is why we need to find political will, finalize the normal text of the draft law, assemble

the parliament. .. vote and you know, no to look for some reasons that this draft law will worsen someone's ratings there, now the question is really about responsibility and unpopular decisions, and not introducing some illegal , some anti-constitutional draft bills, that is , this means that the government itself is sabotaging the mobilization, and that now information was done, this is demotivation, because... the law on mobilization, it must answer questions about demobilization, and frankly speaking, well, it is also very important to shorten the chain of these actions, yes, when there is a speaker, a leader, a servant of the people, the government, the ministry of defense, the general staff, that is, you know, let's not make our military hostages of some such personal fears in the hierarchy of those in power.