because not to be told later , not to warn you, it doesn't mean that you don't have to, you have to join, but you have to remember that it's a mutual obligation, all i said is that, it's not, it's not only we will be protected, and our soldiers will also participate in other wars, this does not mean, oh, we did not leave this war to our children, our children will not die anymore, they will, because we, for the sake of our so that we do not die today, we enter into a defensive alliance that allows our children and grandchildren to die tomorrow for others fronts, that's it. that's how civilization was created, collective security , that's why it's called collective, in general, because everyone reports to not switzerland, switzerland says, we don't want to leave anywhere, we 're going to die, we're a neutral country, sorry, ugh, we'll help you, red cross, the olympic committee, you can place everything on us, as long as we are not bombed , we are not touched, we are not conquered, everything, uh, everyone is good, let switzerland be like this, ukraine, not switzerland anymore, we are all in this game, we cannot play we can, we have lost everything. opportunity sir

vitaliy, well, you already mentioned the red sea, and indeed the situation here has been very difficult for some time due to the fact that the yemeni houthis actually blocked and attacked civilian shipping, it is difficult even to calculate now, this should probably be a conversation with economists more profile, about what part of the world economy in general depends on the stability of the situation in the red sea, i know for sure that you think that the world is much more vulnerable to instability there than even to russia's war against ukraine. channels trade has already halved, so what can i say? if we take into account that the actual attack on the yemeni houthis in order to ease the situation in the red sea, in particular, took place simultaneously with, probably, even the stay of rishi sunak in the carriage of the ukrzaliznytsia train on his way to...

kyiv, where he was signing some security assurances for us, and for ourselves in the future, could this speak of a special determination of great britain, which may be followed by other countries, but the united states will now figure it out, find some kind of internal political compromise regarding the migration policy there , something else, and they will vote what we need, and not only us, germany will be born and give taurus, exactly the same as they give us drones, great britain and france itself, or can it be assumed, that this locomotive, it has finally moved, maybe more actively than before, and that britain is this locomotive, well, britain is definitely such a real impetus for other countries to take more active actions, but it did not happen like that today, britain all the time yes, yes, it's such a historical role, since the second world war, when britain... once

failed in 1938 during the munich agreements, we are still atoning for this mistake of prime minister chamberlain, still, all that we live in what, what we live in, is the world created by munich, then the british tried to justify and correct this mistake, and it is still doing it, but you understand the point, the number of conflicts is just increasing, it is dangerous, look, we are now already we have two... permanent wars and how many we have today the 689th day, i will stop counting, to be honest, but there is another calendar from us, it seems to me that today is the 98th day of the war in the middle east, true, as far as i remember, well, less, but in the middle east it takes much longer , than, in general , it would be possible to calculate, so well, that means now the war is about 99 days, tomorrow 100

days, so now it means that what is happening with the houthis is what state secretary blinkin calls metastases, huh, and the truth of this conflict in the middle east, further let's see what will happen around taiwan, to what extent the west will have enough resources to extinguish all... you understand, in such a quantity, when we understand that the west has started to talk with the tactics of small cuts, here, here, here, and by the way, not so small, i i'm sorry, because if it was a war in a country that was four to five times smaller than ukraine, well, it could be a small cut, but it's not small, about 20% of the territory of ukraine that is occupied by russia how many european countries

could fit in this area? do you understand here we are talking about the baltic countries, that russia could attack the baltic countries. if they were not in nato, and the territory of kleymbartsi, it seems to me, is less than the territory of 20% of ukraine occupied by russia. and this is also an important point, so in this regard, of course, the west is trying to resist, but in the conditions of the electoral cycle. both president biden and prime minister sunok will defend their power this year, and prime minister sunok has almost everything. his political career is ending, i generally think that it may be the last years of existence of the conservative party? well , listen, they put everything behind brexit to knock the table out of the chairs, the chair from

under the feet of the british populists from the uk independence party. and in principle , everything was done competently. the only thing that is not clear is that the moment the british public say they don't like... brexit, which they have now because the vast majority of people feel that brexit has let them down, they will not blame the independence party. , which no one remembers about this nigel farage, all of this a company of freaks, and the conservatives who deceived them, and the fact that sunok invited to his government the last prime minister of great britain from the time when great britain was considered an integral part of the european union, david cameron, says a lot. that we understand that david cameron made a fatal mistake in the history of his country, fatal, well, and now it will be a serious change of political elites, and i generally admit that in the future, in the parliament of great

britain, not in the one that will be elected now, or maybe in the next one, it will be the struggle of labor with liberals, with social democrats, and not labor with conservatives, that can also happen, you have to pay for everything. for any deception of the nation , existence has to be paid, and president biden also has a very serious problem, we see this, because president trump does not lose the favor of his uh sympathizers in the republican party, everything seemed clear already, a million judges, a million objections, a million remarks, storming the capitol, nothing... where is that vaunted, excuse me, institute of reputation we're talking about, a man with such number of suspicions, judges, with such a reputation and still has a huge support, see, in the years of new information technologies, there can be no institute of reputation, because people

have so much information that they manage to forget everything that happened the day before yesterday in 48 hours , we always said that in ukrainian conditions there is no... no institution of reputation, here are our colleagues, they know what journalism looked like, a person worked there as a journalist for 5-6 years and then fled somewhere and a new person appeared, but politicians did not were changing they simply moved from party to party, and a person would approach someone in an embroidered jacket with a patriotic smile in their eyes, not even knowing that this person was the secretary of the regional committee of the party in the same region where they were located and spoke at rallies with criticism a few years ago nationalism, they did not even imagine. what is this possible , then how do you treat komunyak with hatred, the first former first secretary said about the communist party, the party and the former head of the komsomol in this, in this region, well, that’s right, well, and this seemed to be the norm for us, but this now on the event went completely smoothly, and trump

really does not think about his reputation, do you remember that famous phrase of trump, that he said that i can go out on the fords? kill a person and nothing will happen to me, they will forget about it the next day, well, there you have the answer to the question, and everything that people think, what accuses trump, is the result of a rebellion about him, against him by the elites who cannot allow such a fine man, the liberator of america, a man who has done such important things in the economy, in such other things, to the presidential election, if trumps aloof from the presidential election, i assure you that the vast majority of people who voted for him will believe that... they just couldn't vote for trump, they will never believe that it was the right thing to do, not ever, ugh, it will be considered a usurpation of power, even if the republican candidate wins the election, maybe if the republican wins, it will somehow save the situation, but in principle the situation is very bad,

it will not get better, let's say a few words about poland, because in fact the events interesting unfold there as well, from the last donald tusk is going to visit ukraine. and promises that he will not allow to somehow build a political career in his country on the thesis against ukraine and the thesis of parasitism. russia's war against ukraine. at the same time, our president volodymyr zelenskyy visited the baltic countries a few days ago, on the way back, he actually met at the airport, if i'm not mistaken, with the president of poland andrzej duda, and some are already joking a little, probably at this moment they took advantage in fact the situation, and actually arrested. at this moment, andrzej duda was meeting with svitlana tykhanouska at the moment when they were arrested, it is known that it

was so, he met in belvedere, with svetlana tykhanouska, it is true, but less so, the politics of law and justice, of course, mariusz kaminskyi and macei wonsik, now a large number of people go to protest actions, in fact support actions for these ex-officials, ex-government officials, bring them out, of course. heads of law and justice , kaczyński, moravetskii, blaszczak, you name it to talk about the institute of people's reputation, and about it too, lord, forgive me, well, people were sentenced to prison for actually aiding and abetting, exceeding official powers, that 's what they nominally call it, well, you know that the vice-premier died as a result of this story mr. polandangele committed suicide because he felt he was unfairly accused, well i'm not a big fan of mr. lepard, but the story itself, it looks to say the least, deserves

an investigation, but the question isn't even are they complicit or not complicit the question is the president of poland andrzej duda issued an illegal decree pardoning people who were not convicted that's the whole story if he had waited for the verdict nothing happened at all ugh he didn't wait for the verdict , what was it done for? it is not clear, it is clear that just then the party of law and justice had all the power, the president, the government, the parliament and they believed that they could do whatever they wanted, huh, and unfortunately, the president also thought so, now, by the way , er, he says that he can pardon them, that's the end of the crisis, by the way, as soon as he pardons them again and again, they will be released immediately and there will be no problems with that, uh, but he doesn't want to pardon them yet, at least he didn't want to be there the day before yesterday, so as not to... what, so as not to admit that he committed an illegal act, because he is always right, we know, and you remember

, he compared ukraine to a drowning man, this is about a man who unable to admit her mistakes, this is also a huge problem, the second point, the third point, which is also very important seriously: the law and justice party created a legal chaos, that's what it was criticized for in the european commission, and we couldn't help it. what did they do, how did they do that? they created the parallelism of the functions of the judges, and now the supreme court has its own point of view, it canceled the suspension of the investigation, and the constitutional tribunal, which in turn is part of the supreme court, confirmed the validity of the suspension of the investigation, one branch of government refers to the decision of the supreme court, the other branch of government refers to the decision the constitutional tribunal, how could this happen? that is, they specially created a situation when you can refer to the decisions

of judges that you control, this is basically called a captured country. do you remember that in the days when the oligarch plahatniuk was in moldova, uh, he just convened a meeting of the constitutional court there, they convened and canceled everything, presidential elections, parliamentary elections, whatever, it just doesn't exist, and it doesn't exist, and it doesn't exist , and as a result, when the scoundrel fled from kishenev. the constitutional court all resigned, because they understood very well that they were not judges at all. well, this is happening in a country like moldova, which is just building democratic institutions. but how could this happen in poland? i will say that these years of the rule of the party of law and justice , the years of andrzej dula's presidency are just a shame, frankly, for a democratic european country, what can i say? that's all, but of course we can say that there is an acute political crisis in poland. and, hope that victory in... position in the elections, it will stop this crisis, they are not making excuses , it is intensifying this crisis, because the party of law and

justice is not going to lay down its arms so easily, because the alternative for its leaders is serious prosecution, uh, the responsibility of the legal character, and firstly, public opinion needs to be mobilized, so they take advantage of every good opportunity, secondly, they need to prepare for local elections, for elections to the european parliament. because if they improve their results there, they will say, oh, oh, so 2024 will be the year for local and european parliament elections, and 2025 will be the presidential election. there will be no peace, there will be this constant fight, and the opponents, as you see uri donald tusk there, they are also not going to find some real common language with them, so to speak, because they believe that these people have completely monopolized the state, if if all this is not changed, then at

any moment the power can simply be lost at the level of the parliament. government, well, what does it mean, why was it so strict line in relation to public broadcasting, because public broadcasting has turned into a mouthpiece of the ruling party, and this, i apologize, is not soviet public broadcasting, when, you know, public television is being read at night, when today we say glory to the cpsu, and tomorrow we say long live democratic russia , or oh, we have always been for the independence of ukraine. i remember all this from my own experience, you know, in 1991, when people who wrote a few months before denounced me that i was walking around the kremlin with a blue and yellow badge in august in 1991, they met me and did not want to greet me, but they were already badges and said, but you work in moscow, we don't want to talk to you, and this, and i knew for sure that these

people were demanding i was fired there for my nationalist beliefs, but that was all. well, they all sat down, the whole studio is already in blue and yellow, everything is fine, well , these are such people, and the people who work at public broadcasting, worked at public broadcasting in poland, they are not like that, they are just ideological supporters of law and justice, and even after winning the opposition, they would absolutely calmly continue to implement party narratives, because this is their ideology, inflexibility in the literal sense of the word, they are simply convinced conservatives. and they believe that for the sake of the victory of their own camp , you can lie, you can distort reality , you can not invite foreign politicians on the air, because they are enemies for them, and they would act like this if they stayed after the change of power, just for them the enemy would be the polish government, not the polish government, not the polish government, german spies, as he said

protuska, yaroslav kaczyński, what if i am an honest polish journalist, i am sitting here with social consent, i have a prime minister. a german spy, i will not say that he is a german spy, but i will say that this tutsk is a german spy. and that's why, of course, cleaning public broadcasting from the propagandists of the law and justice party turned out to be the number one task for buryad donald tusk, but it was done , to put it mildly, by difficult methods, it also looked so difficult, so about the methods of donald tusk and will he manage to untangle himself and poland from this story by stenet pissu, i'm not sure, i think it's polish. it is not the first time that society finds itself in such a situation, now it must be recognized that this is a sign of polish statehood in general, roman dmowski once said: "oh, i am afraid that the poles, when they receive statehood, they will treat their own statehood the way they treated foreign states, it will be such a crisis, they will not perceive poland as their country, ugh,

he was wrong, it is very similar in ukraine, ukrainians very often perceive ukraine as a a foreign state." well , a different situation happened with poland. poland was divided into two camps, each of which believes that poland is their state, but this camp is not a polish state, it is some other people. and we, for our poland, for our vision of poland, we'll just tear them all apart. what kind of poles are these, what kind of poles are they? and, by the way, when the first polish president, gabriel narutowicz, was killed. tentatively, it was tusk's camp, tentatively, well, it's all very conditionally, and the answer was that marshal pilsudsky, this is also conditionally a camp tusk, carried out a coup d'état and removed from power people who can be considered tkaczyński's conditional camp, it was back in 1900, about 20 years ago, and even then i

was reading the diaries of maria konopnytska, a great polish writer, who wrote that she was very... . it's scary to admit that we have two polands, and they have somehow miraculously survived after 100 years, and by the way, the problem is that we can call it the polish disease, it affects more and more european countries. look, everywhere there are already two countries, one of which does not tolerate the other, i just can't digest it. and tell me, something similar is already happening in ukraine, or maybe? it was, it's just that when we see now the heat of passions in any discussions, where people are divided into two camps of conventional zealots and dustmen, it scares me. on russia and oriented towards the west, the figures

of the leaders changed, but it always happened, and by the way, and it is not so strong now, because the people who support volodymyr zelenskyi there, they can be supporters of the european euro-atlantic choice at the same time, ugh, and they have a completely different one, i would say. the subject of disputes with supporters, well conditionally petro poroshenko or someone else, because here is our president, he will definitely lead there when yours could not lead, well, it is not so bad, but i want to make sure that after the war these are two identities, it's just that they will look different, we need to go west, to europe, we don't need to behave very sharply so that russia doesn't attack us again, this is serious. this is a threat in one way or another , but ukraine can somehow overcome it, because we live in a war society, but

i have to tell you honestly that what is happening in europe right now worries me a lot, this is what , you know, between, you understand, this has never happened before, between supporters of the party of law and justice, supporters of this democratic the coalition that... came to power, there is no transparency, there is a wall, i saw this between the supporters of trump and biden, between the supporters of democracy, the republicans of the united states, in some associations, let's say american ukrainians, there is such a normal conversation, and here suddenly a topic arises, and you understand that these people hate each other, they are not the same, they do not hear each other, there is a wall between them, it is not transparent, that is, i always believed that civilized politics is transparent politics. ugh, when we can talk, i and i always checked it on my russian interlocutors, there were quite a few

people, even during the putin regime, with whom i had a transparent wall, even after the 14th year, i could talk to them on the air , these people might have had positions, by the way, attention, questions, what do you think happened to these... people with whom i had a transparent wall in russia, they were all injected with a satellite during covid and became impenetrable, no, they were all deprived of their positions, even those people who were absolute supporters of the regime, but who could support such a diplomatic discussion, because this regime doesn't need such people anymore, it needs only dangerous madmen, and when i ask, and i remember talking to this one, i wonder what he's doing now, i wonder, he 's probably pro... war, and it turns out that he has already been removed from all positions, and this one was removed, and this one was removed, and this was removed, anyone who could speak at all simply in the wrong conditions, oh you

bastard, i will destroy you, i will burn you, i will kill you, there are no more of them in russia, this is what the construction of an opaque wall means, because now, when i imagine, i can talk to some russian official or member... of the general council of the united russia party in the 14th year, i could talk harshly, so it was a conversation of enemies, but it was a conversation, now there is no one to even have such a conversation with anyone, even if i would i wanted to, i don’t really want to, to be honest, but even the bbc knows that it won’t organize such a conversation, because there is no such person, and it’s this disease of opacity with russia, everything is clear, it is becoming dominant in democratic societies, because before we could absolutely. then it’s okay to go have tea and talk with a person of other political views, well, i’m sorry, now i don’t have such a desire, ugh, but

before, no one understood how i didn’t invite members of the party of regions to my broadcasts, when i said, well, of course i will invite, because i am it not a transparent wall, but with the servant of the people party , we are not a transparent wall, they come without a pro, there is a difference, absolutely, but with the party of regions , no, well, this is the answer to the question. when we say that we have different political views with someone, a different position on all of this, it may be that the whole issue is transparency, because the person himself is talking to you and you are talking to this person, you have no desire to simply go out and walk away and don't debate and she has no problem with debate either, she knows you're wrong, she can you not even much respect, but she's open to a discussion, and that's what's being lost. it is common now, it is a sign of a new era in european and western politics, and we may find ourselves in the same situation. this is

really me. quite seriously disturbing, you are right, when i see some comments now , when you speak, there the president said so-and -so, and they tell you that they were sold to this president, and you are yes, you just quoted the president of your country, yes, well yes, who was elected by the people, and such a president was elected, me we quote him, he is the president of a warring country, and people no longer realize this, and on the contrary, you said there that the leader of the opposition is there, conditionally... by the way, you are advertising barih there, and it is clear that for money , he put some drones or something it has to end because it's just a road to failure and thank you khrystyna, thank you mr. vitaliy , the saturday political club was with you as usual until next saturday, goodbye khrystyna yatskyi vitaliy portnikov all the best.

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greetings, good evening, my name is. barchuk is a program of its own name, a joint project of ukrainian pen and tv channel, and today we will talk about the ukrainian cultural fund, how to prevent its second collapse, how to save it? it may seem to you now that this topic, against the background of what is happening in the country, against the background of the drama that we are watching, may not be so hot or important, but believe me, it is. not what for

we also fight on the fronts, this is culture. for a very long time, in ukrainian journalism, for more than 20 years, i have been observing how ukrainian culture , it was called culture, but was pushed out, disappeared from ukrainian television, and here we are today, what we will talk about is actually a consequence of how this second nature of culture in consciousness of people, consciousness. soviet society, as inattention to media culture, to which all this leads. today, my interlocutors and guests are volodymyr sheyko, director of the ukrainian institute, expert in cultural diplomacy, cultural manager. owner, congratulations, good evening. bohdan logvenenko, journalist, writer, founder and ideological inspirer of the ukrainer project, is also our guest, congratulations, bohdan, and bohdan, and volodymyr.