increases it before the challenge, let's say, that the united states can reduce aid, and germany, for example, doubled from 4 billion to 8 billion euros in the 24th year, or, let's say, japan very powerfully increased its aid to 4.5 billion dollars and including, will support the anti-drone capabilities of ukraine, and before that, japan in general until the end of the 22nd year at all... did not take part in any such projects, therefore, but this is not a coalition, a coalition is when ukraine would receive all the weapons that she needs for release occupied territories, including missiles with a range of 400-500 km, we need, well, at least 500 units of such missiles, if we count together, let's say, surface-to-surface and tactical level missiles. and er count the missiles,

cruise missiles that we could get not only from france and germany, but er, sorry, from france and great britain, but also from germany, the taurus missiles, yes, the infamous ones that we can't convince berlin is to be handed over to us, and of course, it is air support, it is planes and helicopters - it is also modern drones, and maybe also... modern anti-aircraft systems, by the way, when we talk about anti-aircraft systems, one of the points of our thesis, those conclusions, conclusions about the five challenges, it is precisely the development of modern technologies, including the the account of military-technical cooperation, here i want, i can’t help but mention such an example here, which is extremely indicative, well, here you go...

rheinmetall is coming to us and to the market, but rheinmetall wants to start producing the old fux combat vehicle with us and only then move on to a new battle tank at some stage, already sometime later, it may move to, say , the joint production of some anti-aircraft systems, such as skynet. at the same time, look at hungary, which is, well, an actual collaborator within the eu. hungary, with rheinmetall during the 23rd year, in the fall of the 23rd year, concluded two huge agreements within the framework of which, and hungary in general, there is almost no defense industry there, but within the framework of which , let's just think, a new battle tank will be produced jointly with the germans and a common means of air defense at the base, as i understand it myself... skynex,

or even more new updated systems that rain metal presented at the exhibitions in 2023. now the same story is the united states, which is deploying a powerful production of stryker machines, stryker combat vehicles, in india. so part of this production is the creation of a super-powerful and ultra-modern complex based on the striker machine. of the army air defense complex, which will contain both the rebov complex and the laser anti-drone complex. so we see that even in defense, even in defense, even in spite of that we received the latest pro patriot and sampt systems, there is, well, a certain lack of work, because i named now precisely the army complexes, that is, those complexes that will protect. our troops on the battlefield are not

about peaceful cities, i am talking now, but about the advancement of the ukrainian army, and about the fact that we need to convince our partners that we should start not with what can be done, but with what we need first of all, these air defense complexes, i am not talking about the fact that in september 23 of the year of the union... the states armed themselves with an army anti-drone complex drones with a laser system, and we wouldn’t mind having such complexes anyway, so they have armed only one battalion so far, this is the newest complex, but at least within the framework of, say, testing such weapons, or within the framework of the joint promotion of laser anti-drone programs . because

the united states conducts such joint actions with the british, and in the same september 23, britain simultaneously tested a laser countermeasure system. and here i am talking about the fact that we have to make a hyperleap in the field of creating the use of the latest technologies in war, this is where the biggest, so to speak, our our opportunities, our biggest, our biggest challenge for the future, although of course, when we talk about challenges, i would still like to go back to your work, so that these five challenges for... to inform our viewers about which, which directions are in question, what is the meaning of each direction, and then we will then, perhaps, talk about some directions in more detail, taking into account the needs and capabilities of ukraine and our partners, so five directions, five challenges, what are we talking about, well , let me list them first, yes,

and then we will work with them as we can, well, the first is the possibility of western aid, i.e. either maintaining it or increasing it, we want it too... is a challenge, i.e. reducing it is a certain challenge. the second challenge is the ability of ukrainian society to mobilize, that is, to replenish the army with people, new boys and girls, who will be able to help those who are currently defending the country on the battlefield. the third challenge is, strictly speaking, the possibilities of military-technical cooperation. with foreign countries and the creation of the latest such weapons systems, the fourth challenge is actually the mobilization of the domestic defense-industrial complex and the transfer

of the center of gravity to the domestic defense industry, so that we produce weapons and cover at least 30% of the army's needs independently and finally. is the fourth challenge - the latest technologies, this is what i just talked about, that we need to make a hyper jump and go to, if it is about air defense, then it is already the use of laser systems, if it is about damage, then the use of electromagnetic weapons was being developed in our country to of a large-scale invasion, electromagnetic weapons, well, of course, weapons for this are weapons based on new physical principles, together with rebov's, let's say, modern systems. these five challenges are key for us in the 24th year, while the fifth challenge, so to speak, is aimed at the future to ensure a successful confrontation with the enemy russia when, well, the war becomes, so to speak, either it

will be in this form, when ukraine clears its territory of the enemy at the level... well , at some level at which we can, or it will be frozen, it is also impossible , cannot be rejected, because we are now critically dependent on western partners, and in the end, the government will be forced, and ukrainian society will be forced to accept the position that will be dictated, because, because in fact we can't... ensure by our own forces a completely complete confrontation with the enemy, that's why the 24th year actually becomes a key year for us, a year of competition of technology and logistics and the ability of our society to survive it,

let's, if we can go to the really in i have a question, there are actually five directions, yes, that is, three of them... the directions relate to mobilization in one form or another, because it is the mobilization of people, the mobilization of industry, the mobilization of science, these are the three directions that have relation to ukraine, and two directions - this is actually cooperation, interaction, guarantee, this is an international vector, that is, in fact, two components of international, three actually ukrainian mobilization in various manifestations, which, how would you arrange these weighting coefficients, that is conventionally speaking. .. they are probably not all of them equal in priorities, what is most important for, relatively speaking, the construction of our defense system for development, which factors are secondary and which are primary, so how could these five directions be distributed by weight categories? yes, i

understand that this is an extremely important moment, if we were to speak in general, and if such a war and danger had not been unleashed now. new offensive, i would of course say that the most important is the third challenge, they are actually placed by this, by by its hierarchical weight, and the third. the challenge is the ability to mobilize one's own defense-industrial complex, why? because then we will not be dependent so much, for example, we can provide more than 90% of the missile field, and now we can also provide the drone field, well, more than 50, because there remain components, microelectronics and the like, that, but everything that is over 50 and is going to ukraine, it is already ukrainian, and there can be no... even any doubt, because very few countries in the world today can, well,

can implement a situation when they fully will provide for themselves, i put it on the first place, on the first place in this form, in the general form, i would put it on the first place. the ukrainian defense industry, because the experience of other countries, well, for example, turkey, did not have, four, four decades ago it did not have any industry at all, but now, i mean the defense industry, but today is the day when attacked houthis, turkey announced the completion of tests of two air-to-air missiles, the newest ones. rockets, er, i think that she deliberately, it is today did, uh, to demonstrate that it is

independent in the sense of weapons, although in fact it depends on many programs from the united states of america, there are programs of airplanes, helicopters and so on, but here are drones and certain missiles, it is able to produce independently and is able to to present on our own, to supply for... for weapons to the army, but let's go back to the weight, to the weight of these, let's say, categories to the weight, directly in these weapons and these items, we determined the aid first by weight, and certainly that american aid , she constituted as of the end of 23'. year about 45% of all aid from all western, and

not only western, all partners, so 45% will not be able to be covered by europe together with even japan, south korea, and australia, which also help us a little, and that is why we are looking at , what are the prospects , the prospects today, well, they are so-so, i would say... not easy, we hope that in the 24th year we will receive the same 61 billion dollars, or at least a share of this planned assistance, but i not sure if the situation is not will change as we get closer to the presidential election, of course if trump is neutralized, now 44% are ready to vote for trump, but trump, his position ... is shaking while the pro-ukrainian candidate nikki haley is gradually gaining

points and opportunities, and of course we are very we hope for that, and by the way, we also hope that the republicans of the congress have already announced their program for the victory of ukraine, and ukraine, and there are three powerful points, one of which is to provide the weapons that are needed, the second is to ... take russian assets and use them for the recovery of ukraine and the third is to strengthen sanctions against russia, and actually speaking, this is a very powerful program if it will work, because it is not clear, now the situation is not completely clear, it will be more clear, more powerful, if indeed nikki haley will be the first number one from the republicans, but what about. forced to interrupt a little, we will now switch to the advertising information block and then we will talk

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in fact, when we talk about missile projects, there are drone projects, rebovsky directions. ammunition field, so it needs such a concentration, and it is possible to make some progress here, but all technological things, they usually stretch in time, so what do we have, well, we are guaranteed to achieve from our power structures, from our industry, or have, and what can be, let's say yes, well, it's a second-order task, well, in order to go to some numbers and some very specific things, we need to indicate what conditions must be there for this. the first condition is the physical protection of enterprises, to disperse production. i won't, we all, well, know to some extent, yeah, what took place on december 29 and january 2, and we know certain consequences of this, and this should be a certain lesson for us from two sides, one, one

is the physical protection of enterprises, this is a lot. to hide it underground or to concentrate it, this has already been partially done, but as we can see, not completely, and this is the problem, in fact, the administration of the defense industry, and the second is to prevent the leakage of data, due to which the actual attack on enterprises occurred opc, actually the 29th and the second, yes, for this you need to drastically reduce. the number of people who can have access to information, and here i cannot help but mention that missile companies, all, absolutely all, flag. not adjacent , but flagships, there are four of them, they turned to the authorities in the summer with a request to help and, in particular , to get rid of pressure from das, the state

audit service of ukraine, but, but until november, neither the government, nor the president's office, nor the security service could help these enterprises , and that's why they were attacked, because there was a leak, a leak of certain information, including from this one. there from other structures, so these things must be ensured so that this does not happen was, and so that the government’s reaction to the protection of enterprises was instantaneous, and not during , let’s say, almost six months of nothing being done, this is during, well, such a war, yes, when it is deployed, and now to the numbers, what is the potential, if you actually direct all efforts, all possible efforts, dreams and willpower to provide, well, at least a huge number of drones can be provided, at least so that they partially,

of course, perform the functions of artillery and allow to hold out, well, for a certain time, only so we can consider, can consider the possibility of hitting enterprises and airfields of control points, the enemy, including not only in the occupied territories, including in the territory of russia, to transfer our weapons, our drones, 10,000 medium-range drones and more than a thousand drones with a range of 1,000 km are planned, this is quite good, a good arsenal for constantly tickling the nerves, let's say to the enemy in... in their logistics centers and control points and also at the enterprises of the defense industry, and finally, the most important thing is the missile program, well, as much as possible

move forward with the missile program, it is difficult for me to say now, because i do not know the course of this program itself, and maybe it is a good thing that i do not know the details, but the experience is actually ukrainian and the experience of other countries, well, let's say ... missile complex the neptune missile program was launched from this complex only at the beginning of the 16th year, yes, already in the 20th year it was adopted in the summer, 3.5 years in fact a powerful missile kit was made, which means that its modification can be much faster, and we believe that it started a long time ago, since may 22 , a new missile began. program in fact, so we can predict that at the end somewhere or within the 24th, we will already have several hundred of the latest missiles that can

be used as surface-to-surface missiles, i myself hope that there will also be missile complexes, air-to-ground, cruise missiles, air-to-ground, in addition, i personally have high hopes for cooperation with... that it will be possible to use akinci the latest drone that can carry a cruise missile with a range of 250 km, it is a much cheaper drone than american, but quite a powerful weapon, and things like that, well of course, i would say radical things in general, let's say a few days ago there was a test of ... pakistan's new missile, yes, yes, quite a powerful missile, and we could to calculate, to buy through third countries, of course, not direct imports from pakistan,

but through third countries to buy such missiles and everything else like that, by the way, well, russia does it directly from iran and from half of north korea, but for us the situation is a little more... complicated, but not impossible, it can be carried out precisely in different ways, we know that there are three ways of getting weapons into ukraine, these are ukrainian weapons, this is military-technical cooperation, and this is procurement, so different, different ways, but since we have focused now on our own defense complex, we really we can count on the number of drones that will allow us to actually hold the battlefield without the maximum load of artillery, because we know that now there are

five times... more artillery ammunition and can use more of them, but fpv drones can certain functions, well , performing about 30-40% of the functions of artillery, this is one point, the second point is ammunition, it is quite possible to agree with general havrylyuk, who at the end of the 23rd year noted that ukraine is quite capable of producing ammunition at that time. so to speak, the difference between, well, let's say, a million american ammunition, a million european ammunition, and the difference that around 400,000 artillery tank ammunition during the year was produced either by ukrainian enterprises, or together with partners, well, this is a difficult, but achievable goal in principle to... the goal, if,

of course, we count not only 155-millimeter, but also soviet caliber, of course, here i am talking about all artillery and tank ammunition, well, this is what it looks like , these possibilities look like, and of course, a separate challenge becomes the possibilities, the possibilities of the reb, because the reb, radio electronic warfare is becoming now well like this... a certain one of the key points and overcoming the radio electronic warfare of the enemy's radio electronic means and, in fact, building up one's own means, well here are these this is approximately the view of the most important programs, of course i am not talking here about scaling the production of self-propelled ortolian installations, we even managed to reach the level of france, as the french

from... from two to six caesars increased production, and in ukraine from two to six bohdan, they have now increased production, and this also instills hope that not only, well, that different systems will be produced, by the way, these are systems that have never been produced in ukraine, i mean anti-aircraft missile systems who want the ministry of defense will now purchase ukrainian- made self-propelled artillery. installations and the same drones, and light armored vehicles, this has never been produced in ukraine, ukraine has created about a dozen of the newest weapons, weapons schools, these are really great prospects for the future. mr. valentin, thank you very much for the inclusion, for your explanations of what is happening with our defense industry, what are the risks and challenges for ukraine, they are laid out precisely on

the center's website. the study of army conversions and weapons will be another one, literally after of our broadcast, another work is related to the challenges associated with hostilities in the middle east. mr. valentin, thank you very much for the inclusion, i would like to remind our audience that this was valentin badrak, the center, the director of the army, conversion and disarmament research center, and the main takeaway from this conversation is that we are indeed entering the phase of a war of attrition with by the enemy, but this does not mean that this is such a certain stalemate variant of hostilities, now we ... will have a certain time to strengthen our defensive opportunities at the expense of cooperation with partners, at the expense of our own defense industry, but it is very important that there are more actions in this direction than the words that describe these challenges, stay tuned to the channel, there will be many more interesting things to come.

it's 2 p.m. in ukraine, to your attention a news release on the espresso tv channel. in the studio of iryna koval. greetings to all viewers. and to the most important events. now officially, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine , valery zaluzhny, has confirmed that the fighters of the air force have shot down one of the most expensive russian a-50 reconnaissance aircraft and il-22 air command post of the occupiers. he thanked the air force for the excellently planned and conducted operation in the azov region. according to official data, the russian army had only nine such reconnaissance planes before the invasion of ukraine. one was probably shot down at the beginning of last year during the attack on the machulyshche airfield.