airstrikes and airstrikes of russia, and one more thing, you also had it back in the 22nd year, i remember, in may , in april, you and i were the first to discover sergey and we said that russian missiles were up to 10% then in the 22nd year, did not hit targets because they were simply of poor quality, simply technically imperfect, or in principle could not fly, now the percentage of such unfinished, technically defective or... you know, in bad condition terrorist russian missiles, their relative number has increased up to 20 %, this is also to our advantage, and therefore, no matter how much russian propaganda hides it they don't even manage to hide the fall of missiles already on the territory of russia itself, on the heads of the russians themselves, and such falls, as you understand, not one and not two, and not three, but dozens during each such terrorist attack, and there will be more in the future. because the problems in the russian

federation with precisely such precise systems are enormous, and i can only confirm this. mr. valentin, also about the digital sky, i cannot help but ask you, as a specialist who knows about national security and defense, about the initiative of the minister of informatization and digital transformation mykhailo fedorov. who said that he would like ukrainians to learn how to assemble drones, fpv drones, seven-inch drones at home , and start making these drones for the front. it seems like a good initiative, but on the other hand , there is the state, there is the production capacity, there is , after all, the money that is allocated to drones and to cover the sky, or at least fill the sky with these fpvs. won't this lead to the fact that

at some point the sbu will come to my kitchen and say: listen, you're actually riveting weapons, sitting here soldering fpv drones, and it is not clear why you are doing this, well , let me clarify professionally, i do not know what exactly the government official meant, but i will say that in fact it can and should be done and it is already done at the level of military administrations of regions, in those regions , where there are especially our... polytechnic universities , universities, and specialists, graduates, or engineers who have graduated and have relevant specialties, and you, by the way , are just showing right now, precisely from such mini-laboratories, yes, sometimes even in garages, yes sometimes, sometimes even in basements, but with such specialists and with the help of the military administration, in order for you to say correctly, the counter-intelligence or the police did not come to you and did not record violations

during martial law from the point of view to the opposite , precisely licensing, permits to engage in such activities, and she the production of small and medium-sized drones is needed to impress the enemy on the territory of ukraine, we correctly scatter and ensure that the enemy does not know, because it is no secret that from the very first months of the war , the enemy has been hitting our military factories and military enterprises, as well as energy. infrastructure, so that this does not happen, in order to secure specialists and produce more drones for our armed forces, such a decision must be supported in every possible way, i repeat, only do it professionally and with professionals, and we have enough of them, from lviv to kharkiv and so on so on and so forth, as much as possible, you know, to make it unreachable and unknown to the enemy, where and how much is produced, mr. valentin, sbu. in

the rivne region detained a militant from the wagner group, whom russian intelligence threw into ukraine or through belarus, although he fought at one time in donbas, but he was sent to ukraine again through belarus to the rivne region, he got there and placed beacons there for whether gps, these trackers, yes, for targeting energy facilities in the region, how? do you assess the current situation with the fight against russian saboteurs, how many of them appear on the territory of ukraine, how do the security services of ukraine manage to track everyone, well, probably the military intelligence or military counter-intelligence, well, at least how, what are the results regarding the fight against saboteurs, because in the first months during the war, we heard a lot about saboteurs and we know that... there were many saboteurs on

the territory of ukraine, what is happening now? yes, at the beginning of the war there was a terrible situation, you remember, even in kyiv, in apartments, beacons, lighting, all this horror then contributed to the aggressor. missile, terrorist attacks, strikes on kyiv and not only on the cities of ukraine, but also on the energy infrastructure. therefore, i believe that such a special operation, which ended successfully, when a saboteur on the territory of ukraine was detained, neutralized, and sabotage equipment was removed equipment, including these trackers, but most importantly, russian military intelligence was identified and exposed, which was behind... behind the trap of this saboteur, the russian officers who did it were discovered, as it continues, now the ukrainian special services are discovering a network connected with such activities that started or were planned before sending, either from the territory of the republic of belarus or from the territory of other countries.

it is very important for us to understand that any professional, counterintelligence officer will tell you that there is no such day or night when they stand up and say, but everything is fine, now we have cleared everyone in this. sure, no, no, no, just from the opposite point, during, especially martial law, during war, it is hard work 24x7, the work of counterintelligence inside the country to detect, prejudice, prevent and many other verbs, which for professionals are not just verbs , and specific measures, special operations, neutralization, destruction, neutralization and so on and so on. i can say that the enemy is most certainly interested in... detecting and placing for guidance spy equipment or sabotage on military facilities of ukraine, energy facilities, and therefore such facilities of ours must be protected around the clock and diligently, without relaxing, i think that this is one of the main tasks of the sbu inside the country. europe

has three to five years to prepare for the fact that russia will be a serious threat to the eastern flank of nato countries, estonian prime minister kaya said today in an interview with the british newspaper the times. callas, she says our intelligence estimates it will happen in 3-5 years, it will greatly depend on the extent to which we manage to preserve the unity of our position regarding ukraine. these days, mr. valentin, people gathered in davos on whom the future depends not only. the political and economic future and, in general , the military future of the world, and today this forum opens, tomorrow volodymyr zelenskyy will speak and will convince the participants of the forum to join the peace formula, switzerland will host this

global summit on the peace formula, how do you assess the fact that europe can speed up consideration of ukraine's questions and requests regarding the provision of weapons, which until now we did not have, long-range missiles, airplanes and other weapons, which are so necessary in order to find a formula that will allow to expel the russian invaders from the territory of ukraine. i know that now within the european union and especially nato, important decisions have been made and they are starting to take effect from the beginning of this year. the first solution is to strengthen the air force, nato forces, including on the territory of estonia, you mentioned the prime minister, ms. kalas, indeed estonian intelligence is one of the most professional, i have known since the 14th year, worked with the heads of this intelligence,

they have a very high level of intelligence, so estonia is one of the first countries that provided its military airfields and 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. nato aviation is on duty, protecting the skies of the baltic countries from this very infrastructure of estonia, and this is not only a decision in estonia about estonia, it is a decision from great britain to bulgaria, everyone has understood everything, and these countries are engaged, especially those closer to the flank and to territory of russia, precisely by strengthening the air forces and air defense, what it means for us, for us. means that the aircraft fleet , additional missiles, additional guidance and detection systems will be supplied and produced by these countries, and this means that both for us and in the interests of our air forces, we will order, and therefore i hope to receive more of the necessary systems for the armed forces

of ukraine. let's start with the fact that the f-16 and the first two or three squadrons should already be on the approach, on the approach. this is what the eastern front and the southern front need now, so that the general staff of ukraine, the armed forces of ukraine in the sky could not only, as the a50s are brilliantly called now, but also eliminate russian military aircraft, prevent our ground forces, our defenders, who are holding the front now and will continue to counterattack , to knock out the enemy from our land. mr. valentin, does this mean for europe, for western europe, that preparation for a possible war with russia is not a sign of equality, a victory over russia. and the destruction of putin's regime, that is, why they do not articulate, that is, why they do not talk about what this is

the threat won't go away when we're ready for that threat, but when that threat goes away as such, i think now for them, and i've already voiced it, especially since this year, the decision has been made, it's to strengthen additional systems, to buy and produce, well , you and i mentioned, let's remember again, finland bought david's slingshot from israel, it's a 250 km anti-aircraft system, if they deliver near helsinki, then they will shoot down any russian missile near st. petersburg that will be putin whether his regime is targeting finland or even any another northern country, but i think that the leadership of these countries, the leadership of nato, are clearly preparing now, articulating that there is a threat from russia, from the regime... putin has, that there is aggression against ukraine, but so far they are preparing

only to protect their territory, and we insist on further helping ukraine. for the rest, neither the leadership of nato nor the member states of the european union are ready for anything else. but time will tell, i think that, including in davos, which you mentioned, where the economic forum opened, there will be not only questions artificial of the project, although this is one of the main issues, but the main issue is still the first - it is security and what to do with the entire european continent and the global economy, when the aggressor country russia is trying to destroy both the global economy and global security. thank you, mr. valentin, for the conversation, it was valentin nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine. friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our platforms. on youtube and facebook, don't be stingy, please like this video in order to promote it in

youtube trends. in addition, you can vote in our poll, today we ask you about whether ukraine can win the war without western help, yes, no, if yes and no on youtube, everything is quite simple, if you have a separate opinion your separate , please leave below this video if you are sitting in front of the tv watching tv. broadcast, pick up your phone and vote. if yes, 0800-211-381, no - 0800-211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, call. then we have oleg hrybachuk, former head of yushchenko's presidential office and former vice-prime minister of ukraine. mr. oleg, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good evening. let 's start with the germans, mr. oleg, because... today the german bild has made public, as it were , the plan of the bundeswehr for 2024-25. according to

the german publication, the bundeswehr is preparing for a hybrid russian attack on nato's eastern flank in february this year. the publication refers to a secret document of the ministry of defense of germany, which outlines a possible path to a conflict between russia and nato. the actions of russia and the west are described month after month climax. is the deployment of hundreds of thousands of nato soldiers and the inevitable start of the war in the summer of 2025, nato has already explained that the publication of bild is based on a document that is a training scenario, although we remember that bild published a map of the attack on ukraine on the eve of the great war, and they they gave each other this map, as the russians entered, that is, from the north, from the northeast, from the east. from the south, do you think it is now possible to consider this

plan, which was thrown out in the build, as testing and the reaction of western europe, europeans to the plans that the bundessphere may have from intelligence, well , it can and should be considered, because this is an obvious test, and i also thought that it was incredible... scenarios and we all remember, probably to the end for the rest of our lives we will remember this map published by bilt, but there is a fundamental difference here, because when bilt published this... in reality , a huge army was already gathered on our borders, it did not disperse, and one could imagine the realism, imagine the realism of what we grinded there, we will soon dispose of up to half a million muscovites here, and we see the collapse of this army, that this army

dares to go somewhere further there, it is very difficult, they have no... resources and no reason whatsoever to talk about that , that they are forming some kind of strike groups, but i welcome this trend, i am serious, it is much more pleasant for me to hear this than what happened a year ago, when they did not use the word strategy at all in the west, the applications of ukraine, and we at each the steps said that listen, we are standing here on the front lines, we protect. in europe, if we fall, then you will be next, no one took it seriously, and now they in different countries, and across the ocean, are starting to work out models, because the military always works out models, the military always tries to make a simulation of anything realistic there, even

unrealistic development of events, and it is much better than just sitting. and hope that somehow it will be. mr. olezh, the poles are already talking about the need to strengthen the army, we need to do everything for in order to protect themselves from russia, and in poland they are already assuming the probability of the arrival of another wave of refugees from ukraine in the event of an escalation by the russian occupiers, and this is not being said by bloggers there or journalists, but by the deputy minister. andrzej sheyna, minister of foreign affairs of poland. in an interview with rech-pospolit , he said: "we cannot rule out that the russian offensive will lead to a shift of the front to the west and cause millions of additional ukrainians, mostly women and children, to arrive in poland." and he said that a new wave of refugees could become a burden for poland. oh,

considering that the event is preparing for possible such scenarios, scenarios. but why do you think the west is not discussing the issue of the elimination of the putin regime or at least the demilitarization of russia or the deputization of russia? why is it constantly being talked about that we will join the arms race now, we will make more weapons, we will place more weapons in the north, in the baltic countries, and in this way we will defend. from russia, is it possible to defend against russia, if russia will constantly be the element that will interfere with a peaceful life and interfere with security in europe and the world, well, the answer is obvious, and we ukrainians know it, that's why it was always important for me

to understand the endgame, and in english, what is the end game, what is this game. it is difficult to say, but how this war will end, which is the crowning victory of this war for us and for the democratic world, and it is definitely not only the russian occupiers being pushed to the border in 1991, it is, as several western politicians said about it they openly said that this is a situation where russia will never again be able to threaten ukraine. no democratic world, and it will threaten unless it suffers a crushing military defeat, and now you remember when macron said that russia should be beaten there, but not finished, and all these scenarios, this formula that i like, some jokers very aptly said that the formula of western politics, in particular the american one, sounds

something like this: don't let ukraine win and don't let... lose it, and not be with ukraine as much as you need, that's why i think that in certain circles, i sure that in certain in circles, these scenarios are considered, scenarios of the possible collapse of russia, scenarios of behavior in the event of what to do with nuclear weapons after the collapse, and the special forces, most likely, it is not the military, it is most likely the special services there. who carefully monitor the situation, who have their own agency in russia, who have been working with russian business there for many years, their opportunities are very large, because the mass of... russian businessmen who are rich are now abroad outside of russia, and they there are a thousand and one ways to influence, through sanctions, frozen assets and so on, that's why

it's bubbling somewhere, just no one publicly, and probably there is a certain meaning in this, no one wants to discuss it publicly, but the understanding that you need to be clearly aware that there is no democracy in russia in the case... it will not be finished off, no , it will not be brought to justice, it will not be brought to justice , it will revive this completely aggressive policy of its in a few years, and again all european countries are actually talking about it, before that it was also mainly we talked, a now i see a number of western politicians openly talking about this threat of russian imperialism, revanchism, and the failed attempts. to return the empire, it's just about that, it 's already become such, well, an everyday phenomenon, it's no longer some kind of sensation, and they'll try

to intimidate someone there, they talk about it openly and prepare public opinion, which is very important. these days, mr. olezh, a peace formula from ukraine is being discussed in davos. yaermak, as the head of the office of the president of ukraine, held the opening of the world economic forum on the eve. meeting with representatives of the 81st country and discussed this formula, and he said that there will be no agreement on freezing the conflict with russia. let's listen to what yarmak said. this president and this team of his will never agree and will never accept any freezing of the conflict. this is unacceptable to ukrainian society. ukraine does not need frozen conflicts. ukraine needs a just peace and ukraine wants to prevent any potential aggressions in

the future, and uses this opportunity. mr. oleg, what does this position mean? of ukraine that we will never go to freeze the conflict. for russia, for the world, well, for ukraine, it is clear what this is. reformatted that the ukrainian people, ukrainian society will never go for it, and if this president or this team tries, well, then they will not be the president and will not be a team, this is very important, because yermak's phrase gives the impression that oh my god, if it weren't for these five or six advisers, then we would probably be on our knees by now, it's not like that at all, it's not the government in ukraine. ee is inspired by society, society inspires, and sometimes is gradually pushing the government to take an active position, and it is extremely important for the world

to understand this, i explain this at every forum, that people are good, even if our president or our parliament, our government agreed on something somewhere, there was such a nervous period , when some arachamis were traveling on some streets, they met somewhere in moldova, agreed on something, put visas somewhere, i remember, i said then that it did not matter, because ukrainian society would never allow ukrainian the authorities there to reach some agreements and this authority will not be preserved, and it is very important to understand this from the west, because they think somewhat differently, for some, some countries there are quite authoritarian, it seems to them that if there is an agreement there with the president or with the team to. .. to reach some compromises there, then it will be like the minsk agreements, they say, agreed, and now all this will be implemented, we remember the fate of the minsk agreements, it's just that the problem of the ukrainian government has always been

that it still does not know how to produce correctly politics and communicate correctly, we still mentally remain a post-soviet country, where they are called "contractors", where it seems that... that if you find the right mediators, oligarchs, someone else, hold a series of secret meetings, everything will be resolved, then you can find a way out, and this does not take public opinion into account, but in ukraine this situation is fundamentally different, and it is very important for our authorities to understand and explain to the west that they have a situation with a country that really will never kneel down. mr. oleg, i will ask you as a former... although there are no formers, but how banker, according to the results of the 23rd year, russia's gold reserves reached, as they report,

a new maximum of 150. well, almost 156 billion dollars. in physical terms, the russians say, the stock increased by almost 35 tons in december alone. does this mean that russia, against the background of all kinds of sanctions, against the background of restrictions, against the background of complete or partial isolation, still continues to earn and accumulate these gold and currency reserves, which it can then convert into weapons. in the production capacity of the military-industrial complex, you know, reserves, i am the ex-director of the national bank, the country's gold and currency reserves, they don't just exist so that tons of gold lie somewhere in the basements, they have to work, in order for them to work, this means that the leading banks, for this there are

investments. banks place these reserves in the leading financial institutions of the world, use them to issue securities, so that later you can work with this capital, and in russia it is now, well, it is dead gold, so to speak, because russia is not can conduct, you pay attention the situation of russia, for example, there and india, where there is some astronomer... the annual sums have accumulated, but due to the fact that russia is under sanctions and it cannot operate in actual hard currencies, it cannot work with dollars, it cannot work with euro, well, she is sitting in the hay, of course, she finds some ways to get around it, but it is not at all as if there is a fully existing democratic country with

a normal working market. would have such reserves, it would be evidence that the economy is growing, in fact, very much in russia serious problems, and these problems are increasing, i recently heard that there are already three or four planes a day breaking down, and this is the risk of boeing, they fall apart because they cannot be serviced, they take them apart alone, with others are collected, and there are a lot of such examples, in fact, isolation was once explained to me in crimea. this situation, western bankers, that if a country falls under sanctions, and leading investments do not go to this country, then it simply dries up. it was said about the crimea that if no self-respecting woman enters the crimea western campaign, then he will not prosper there, he will have nothing to develop, and now the whole of russia is actually under these sanctions, and there is a perspective there. the last

visit of sunak, the prime minister of great britain said a lot about a lot of things, because there was such a phrase that sanctions on russia will be lifted only when it fully pays reparations for the damage caused to ukraine, which means that an impossible scenario, when there is an agreement, and the russians are jumping, they say we will agree and the sanctions will be lifted from us, thank you, thank you, sir oleg, it was oleg hrybachuk. former vice-prime minister of ukraine on our air. friends, we are working live on the tv channel and continue our survey, we ask you about whether ukraine can win the war without western help. let's look at the results of the tv poll 8% yes, 92% no. we will continue our survey in 15 minutes. the verdict will include political experts viktor shlenchak, ihor riyterovych and serhiy taran. a news release from the bbc. do not switch, after the release of

news we will. will it be enough? ukraine money for a protracted war, so that the army could fight and the state could function. we are talking about this on bbc news ukraine live from london. i am yevgenia shedlovska. the ukrainian economy withstood the blow of a full-scale invasion. russia, but will it withstand a war of attrition, how dependent is ukraine on the money of international partners, primarily the eu and the usa, and what will happen if this money is not available in time? ukraine enters the third year of the war with a big hole in the budget.