this is enough, how to say, too optimistic, perhaps the law that regulated was drawn up after the maidan, and which actually determines that the office of the president, yes, delegates two people to the supervisory board of the ukf, in general there are such precedents, according to first of all, are there such precedents in the world, yes, when the administration... of the president delegates his people to a cultural institution, yes, for example, there are such precedents, you know, you know, i would say that it depends a lot on the role of the president, since the role of the president is representative, we know that democracies, where the president has very limited powers and is rather a symbol of democracy than... a branch of government, there are such precedents if

we talk about the role of the president, who bears all the responsibility for everything that happens both in the cabinet of ministers and in the parliament, and in any state department, yes, well, this additional workload on the president is absolutely absurd, well, you know a person in... the office at the bank, who is engaged in the field of culture, here is a person you personally know at the bank, who, i only know last name, it seems to me that this is done by mr. dniprov, who used to be tabachnyk's deputy and is also the president of the badminton federation of ukraine. unfortunately, i don't know anything more about this person, and i never had the opportunity to meet her. volodya, how about what. your opinion regarding the presence in

the supervisory board of people from the power of the president, well, this is such an unusual precedent for cultural institutions, i mean in ukraine as well, of course, it seems to me that this is the only institution that has the right to delegate to the supervisory board the president of his candidates or the office of the president, there are actually different political cultures in the world. the french, in my opinion, is very close to ours, there, it is a presidential republic, and there, the cultural management vertical, is very sensitive to the wishes and orders of the direct, actually presidential office, we saw this on our own experience, launching the ukrainian representation institute in france, and i know that a number of, especially the national cultural institutions in france, they... actually

listen very much, hear and carry out orders of the presidential administration in french, yes , we have a slightly different management system in culture, but in terms of political culture and the rules of the game, it seems to me that france and ukraine are similar in many respects, but here i think it is necessary to look at it in a slightly different way in this situation, delegation of candidates does not mean. that is, it should not mean so in an ideal world, that is , there should be no further control or management through these people of the decisions of the institution in, again , an ideal world, subjects who delegate or elect their representatives to the supervisory board, they should choose the best, most conscientious , those who meet the very clear requirements for candidates for... the board of the ukrainian

cultural fund, in our case, are defined in article six, according to the law on the ukrainian cultural fund, i.e. people with an impeccable business reputation, people with extensive work experience in the field of culture, virtuous and so on, and so on, in principle the function of delegators ends there, because then the supervisory board is an autonomous, independent collegial body, who no longer has to carry out someone's political orders or other conditional assignments. culture doesn't work that way, that's why i asked the question in the way i did, look, ivan kozlenko, by the way, the former director of the udovzhenko center writes that last time in the last time, it is meant, in this supervisory board, which, which is now in the ukf, there were such outstanding...

cultural figures, such as the traveler artem surin or the director of my beautiful nanny and other quarters, the russian kiryushchenko. i understand correctly that this one... has a russian passport, it was specifically delegated by the president's office, well, if i'm not mistaken, then yes, it seems so, actually, this proves a certain, certain, actually political culture in ukraine, but what i must say for the sake of justice is that the same legislation was written for president poroshenko, and we remember that... in the supervisory board, correct me if this is not so, there was maryna poroshenko, she was the head of the supervisory board, the head of the supervisory board of the ukrainian football federation was maryna poroshenko, how do you feel about it, i remember that when she entered the supervisory board, there were different opinions

about this, whether we should, then and for what, what was the purpose, what was the purpose of this, and well, on the one hand, to ensure sustainability, yes, that is, quite often... it also depends very much on political culture, but in many countries the first lady is involved in culture, ugh, and therefore there is logic in this, that the first lady should at least be in the supervisory board of the ukrainian cultural fund, i don’t see anything wrong with this, it seems to me that olena zelenska could also be in the supervisory board of the uk, as at least, it would give the ukrainian cultural fund. a little more publicity, yes, because for these three years the ukrainian cultural fund disappeared, thanks to the fact that most of these elected people, they are very little public, well, only mr. kiryushchenko, a fairly well-known star, and therefore, actually, in my opinion

opinion, there is nothing wrong with this, for obvious reasons there is no such rule in the legislation that the first lady. after all , she was in the supervisory board, because it must be her personal decision and the president's decision, maybe, but i don't see it there are no risks, maybe volodymyr , but regarding this, my actual question also concerned marina poroshenko, but also that in the legislation these two candidates from the office of the president, it was established during the presidency of petro poroshenko, and not during the presidency of volodymyr zelenskyi , yes, that is, which, as you can see. the expediency of this should already be in the new law, well, but , again, maryna poroshenko was not elected by poroshenko's office, yes, since she was the head of the supervisory board, yes, she was actually elected by eight other members the supervisory board, the ninth member, and actually

the chairman of the supervisory board and the chairman of the ukrainian cultural fund itself, because these are the positions, the roles of the association, i correctly understand your point of view, that the problem is not that... there are people from the ministry of culture, yes, or from the president's office, yes, apart from cultural institutions and public organizations, the main problem that you see is these fake public organizations that kishenkov can create and which then vote in favor of the right people, let's see who owns, so i will definitely express my opinion that it seems to me that the triad, the healthiest of those subjects that should form the supervisory board, is the one that is the ministry of culture in the case of the ukf, it is cultural institutions or cultural institutions, and it is the public, this is how selections, competitive

selections for heads of all other institutions and institutions of culture, state and municipal in ukraine, work according to this principle, in fact, this is also one of our post-maidan reforms in the field of culture. in order to conditionally represent the interests of these three groups in parity subjects, in the case of ukf, i would like to see a greater representation of the public, it seems to me that the supervisory board should have the majority of votes and people who will represent the independent public sector, then it will be a healthier story. well, yes, but it is possible to create a mass, but at the same time the procedure itself must be improved, yes, that is, there cannot be 40 organizations registered for that. the ukf must accredit them before this vote, and these can simply be those organizations that directly participated in competitive procedures in the ccf, which won, which successfully

defended their projects, and that's it, that's already the public formed by the ukrainian cultural fund, and this is basically a retribution to the ukrainian cultural fund, because... these organizations have to shape the future. among others, i will also add, among other proposals for reforming the selection process, which are put forward, in particular by the cultural community, it is ... not allowing the organization to vote and to nominate candidates, which, for example , were founded less than two years ago, and which, for example, organized less than a certain number of cultural events or projects in a year, i.e. are inactive or not very active in the field, and also organizations that, for example, had experience, previous experience of breaking grant agreements with ukf due to non-fulfillment of obligations to the fund, and other a series of fuses. which would allow, and actually also the assessment of organizations that are obviously related to each other or

related to persons who are candidates for membership in such a way, that is, the conflict of interests must necessarily be mentioned in the law, that is, it cannot to be such that the person who is the founder of these organizations basically starts all his organizations, even if they were candidates for the ukf, it can still be, well, that is , they participated in some projects of the ukf earlier, it doesn't matter. there must be a conflict of interests, i have the impression that very good and decent people have gathered here in the studio, and they live and talk about some ideal world, for example, i read, while preparing for the program, for the conversation, i read that over two years ago, the coalition of cultural activists developed these proposals for changes to the legislation, and some of them could be implemented at the level of the ministry of culture itself, it was not necessary to re-vote in the parliament, and this has not yet

been done, so what is the coefficient of effectiveness of what we are now with we have good conversations with you, as it should be, yes, we just see that again in the political culture of ukraine it happens differently, in my opinion , these conversations are extremely important, because i was at the same elections for the artistic arsenal, at which i almost kolinyak won, and i was the only one a representative of the media in the audience at that moment , and it seems to me that insufficient attention, it also leads to the fact that various suslensky get out of their holes and begin to take over independent institutions, i will now show the brutality of the methods, so to speak, we will show now the post of the chairman of the board of public broadcasting mykola chornota. who announced six months ago that the public

was offered to release jeans against the possible head of the ministry of culture yulia fediv, then they were going, oh, no, no, no, after the ministry of culture itself, because just then there were talks about the fact that yulia fediv can head the ministry of culture, and you can see it in the message received by my colleagues from the public sector. vlada tsurkan, who calls herself a representative of one of the workers of the ukrainian cultural fund of the present, offers a material reward for black pr against yuli feds, here is exactly this proposal underlined in red, these are the very methods by which , as i understand, people act, act who do not want to update the ukf. again, let's then say about

the most positive scenario, that is, in this situation that is now, yes, when half public organizations, let's say, as iziy insists, yes, it belongs to one of the members of the supervisory board, what can be the composition of the supervisory board in the most positive version, the most optimistic, what can be done, bohdan, well... the most optimistic is now the ministry of culture and the president go out to open an open dialogue with cultural actors, i think a few hours are enough to decide on worthy candidates, discuss them, plan the activities of the future supervisory board, and well, it can even be all eight people from well, that is, we still have voting for cultural institutions and

public organizations, and there is less than half of suslanskyi, so we still have a chance to win from public organizations, so i think we can hope for a majority, if there is minority, it will be difficult, what is yours? the most optimistic, what, what will be a victory for you? victory will be a democratic majority in the supervisory board, as we are now talking among ourselves, that is, these are people who share... first, common values, secondly, a vision of how the supervisory board can help ukf to get out of the hole it is in now, unfortunately, if this majority becomes a minority, then at least we like-minded people who make up this minority can talk to each other about , how can we communicate, at least talk

about what is happening in this supervisory board, if its decisions are questionable or procedures are violated, then... at least this democratic minority will be able to talk about it publicly, attract public attention and again mobilize then the same the public sector, which i believe should be the main stakeholder in this process. i understand correctly that these funds allocated for this year are more than last year, but they are less than before the war, yes, before the full-scale, big war, i understand correctly that these 215 million hryvnias, they will not be enough and it will be necessary to attract funds from international donors? this is a logical assumption, it seems to me not very realistic for several reasons, the first is the exhaustion of the same international donors in two years

full-scale war, i am also saying this from my own experience, the experience of the ukrainian institute. now donors are refocusing on infrastructure projects or on direct support, for example, of regions that have suffered from hostilities or occupation, this is such a hard, hard investment in ukraine, where there are fewer, i think, and donors and various international grantors are ready to invest precisely in the sphere of culture, here the situation can partly be solved by the activity of the ministry of culture itself, which is... in cooperation with the ministries of other countries, so to speak about a certain mobilization of funds and resources that would be directed to the ukf, but this requires trust in the ukf, and the face of this institution will be the supervisory board in one way or another, no international donor, or even a ministry, or a private foundation, will give funds to the institution , whose face is

compromised. well, here i can only add that ukf had joint programs with... with international donors until the current supervisory board, uh, now they are gone, but now, sorry, this amount that ukf should have attracted from these international donors has make more than the funds that the state is currently allocating to the ukf this year, so that this activity makes sense, because the needs of the sector and the sphere of culture , both state and independent, in my opinion, several times exceed the amount currently allocated to the okf. budget, my last question will be for those people who we have not convinced that the topic of culture is important even in wartime, here i call this amount 215, more than millions, and i think that obviously there will be people who will say that it is not necessary now , it is not necessary now how much better

to make drones, it is better to give it to the army, the army and so on, how do you answer that... why is culture important in wartime? this should be the last question. uh, this is a question that we, for example, at ukrainer in the team, probably also ask ourselves every day, yes, because we also collect for our institutional activities, to spread ukrainian narratives in the world, and eh, how eh -uh, talking about it now, well, it's quite difficult to say, but we have to understand that drones save our lives. in the short term, narratives in the long term, and since this is a narrative war, well, we have every chance to lose it, if we do not form our own culture here, our own narratives and spread them to the world. volodya, i would like to quote pavel makov, a ukrainian artist who recently

published an interview a few days ago, an interview with him came out, in which he says that... if we had not started this work with the communication of cultural ukraine in the world much earlier, then perhaps this war would not have happened, he puts forward such a hypothesis, since the europeans would not have defended ukraine then they would defend their own, i.e. they would accept ukraine as a part, definitely a part of the european space, and this defense war of ukraine would be perceived by them not as someone else's war, but as a war for protection. its own, and this, too , is probably a somewhat utopian thesis, it resonates with me very much, nevertheless, because without cultural subjectivity in the world, we will not win this war. i believe that without this culture being created internally, we will have nothing to demonstrate or communicate abroad, and that is why these post-maidan

institutions, in particular ukf, are so important. and by the way, i strongly advise you to read the interview with pavel makov, about which volodymyr shayko speaks, it has such a very piercing title that if there is no ukraine, then what is all this for me? this is the name of this article. volodymyr sheyko, director of the ukrainian institute, bohdan logvynenko, founder of the ukrainer project , were our guests, we talked about the fate of the ukrainian cultural fund. we hope that this institution will survive, in particular, through our joint efforts with you. thank you for being with by us, thank you for watching espresso tv. see you next week. thank you. there are discounts

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congratulations, today we will talk about the search for three girls from the kherson region, this is lyudmila vasylevska, tetyana maksymiuk and victoria ostrovska. ludi is 14 years old, tanya is 10 years old , and vidka is nine years old. all three disappeared in the skadovsky district of the kherson region. he lost contact with luda vasylevska on june 1 , 2023. nothing has been known about ta tanya maksymiuk since last march, and victoria ostrovska disappeared at the beginning. 2023. unfortunately, we have almost no information about the girls and the circumstances of their disappearance. however, it is very important that at least there are pictures of them, and therefore i ask each of you to look carefully in the girls' faces. if you know anything about any of them, please contact us on the hotline of the child tracing service at number 11630. calls from all ukrainian mobile operators are free. of course,

there are a lot of them now. children disappear due to circumstances related to war, for example, during evacuation in front-line cities or villages, or during occupation, but children also disappear in conditionally peaceful territories, unfortunately, so please listen carefully to some important tips and the algorithm of actions in case you have, god forbid, disappeared baby. first of all, try to control yourself, calm down and don't panic, on the contrary, you should concentrate and remember that everyone is precious. a minute, so act fast, don't wait for me for three days, call the police immediately and contact magnolia children's services, at the same time try to find the child yourself, and someone should stay at home during the search in case the child returns. contact anyone who may have information, including relatives, and ask if there are any sometimes they have your son or daughter. also call friends and acquaintances of the child, very

likely. that they will know something, especially if your child is a teenager and has decided to run away from home. if a child is lost, for example, in a shopping center, immediately contact the security service and ask for help with the search. but again, if it was not possible to locate the child within an hour, i emphasize: immediately contact the police and the magnolia children's tracing service. our consultants are prompt and step-by-step in detail they will tell you how to act and what to do first. to do in such a situation, of course, god forbid that you never need our number, but just in case, remember or write it down, 116.30 hotline of the child tracing service, calls from all mobile operators in ukraine are free. and i ask for one more moment of your attention: please look at the face of this boy, this is nine-year-old artem kholodny, who disappeared in kharkiv oblast in september 2022.

the boy lived with his father in kupyansk. which was occupied in the first days of the war. since then, artem and his dad stopped communicating. after the de-occupation of kupyansk , it was not possible to find the boy, unfortunately. if you know the whereabouts of artem kholodny, contact the hotline of the magnolia children's search service at 116.30. as usual, at the end, i urge you to go to the website of the children's search service and look at the photos of these boys and girls. maybe you will recognize someone? help find and please repost this video, with every share you make, the chances of finding missing children really increase significantly. not let's be indifferent we have created a resource through which you can report any crime against a child. in any city, at any time. just go to the site and report, and we will launch all possible

mechanisms to punish the crime. we are starting the information day on the espresso tv channel, the news is on the air, khrystyna parubiy works in the studio. three people are injured, and five more are under the rubble. the russians dropped two guided aerial bombs on a three -story building in the village of new york in donetsk region. a 62-year-old woman got the fragments of the wound was walking down the street at the time of the attack. two men, 66, were also injured.