understood that with the russian federation , which has great power as a military machine , it is necessary to fight with high-precision weapons, and here again an absolutely logical question arises, why the west is delaying the provision of these weapons, which are enough in the world to provide ukraine, and ukraine could expel the russian invaders from the territory of the ukrainian state, which is what the nuclear world fears. that the ukrainians will not be able to cope with this, or are they afraid that the rules of the game, which have already been broken, that they will still allow to keep the world from some disaster, which the kremlin and vladimir putin constantly allude to. serhii, you yourself absolutely correctly noticed that there are certain messages for a certain audience, and first of all, i would... well, here i would draw attention to

these specific words of our minister of foreign affairs regarding the fact that we are ready to fight at least with shovels, although in fact it is true, we understand what exactly such messages are used for, but regarding your question specifically, unfortunately, we still see this attitude in the countries of our allies, not only among the political elite, but also among the general population, well, this is very cautious about how the victory of ukraine is seen in these countries, and what will be considered this victory, and the reluctance to talk about the defeat of russia, as about... well, such a factor that may

, according to many of our partners, still open a kind of pandora's box, that is, russia is still considered quite a powerful state and too big to fall, simply, and this prospect scares our partners, this prospect on... incomprehensible for the absolute the majority of the population in and actually in all countries of the world, and therefore unwillingness to talk about the need for just such a scenario, the loss of russia, the collapse of russia, controlled by some such process, which would allow us to talk about the possibility of helping the russians in order to... this

inhuman, cannibalistic, i would say regime, destroy, and try to become a normal state. as for the technology of our war, well, ukrainians have surprised the world more than once, first of all, of course, by how selflessly our army fights, how selflessly the people participated. to this struggle, but also to how quickly we are mastering new technological ways of waging this war, and here we cannot help but mention a very recent example , experts emphasize that this is the first time in the history of mankind, when such an object such a target, that a50 aircraft, a radio... a locator, which

, according to its functionality, is in principle one such huge locator, which must, well, not attack itself, any movements within a radius of kilometers there, see, quickly interpret, give appropriate signals teams, even here the russians did not manage to outwit, so to speak , the technological solutions that are currently available to us, ukrainians, therefore, returning to the shovels, well, i would, i would support the minister here, really, talk about the fact that we are not we will not surrender under any circumstances, it is absolutely correct, but also to emphasize the fact that the ukrainian army, well, it is already a completely different army, and to talk about the achievements we have on the battlefield, which...

of course, we, what of course, we also owe it to our partners, but we overturned the idea of, well, not only there is an opportunity. of the ukrainian army, and about what this war is like, about what, in principle, are the capabilities of the russian army, more precisely, about the lack of most of those capabilities that the russians liked to talk about, and about the fact that the prospects of russia's victory in ukraine due to its technological backwardness, and due to the very rapid acquisition by the ukrainian armed forces of ukraine of such an advantage over russia in terms of technology, this is the key to our victory. thank you, mr. vadim, today is president zelensky spoke in davos and explained to the participants of the world economic forum

how he sees the future of ukraine, the world, and russia, instead, the russian president said that what can be... talked about with the ukrainians, they do not want to go to negotiations, and are very offensive words he said to the ukrainian negotiators and the ukrainian authorities in general, let's listen to what he said, how he complained about the fact that ukraine withdrew from this negotiation process, which took place in april 22. now publicly said, in particular , the head of the same. negotiating team, he by the way, the leader of the ruling party in the parliament, in the council, said: yes, we were ready, we missed it, because the then prime minister of great britain, mr. johnson, came and persuaded us not to implement these agreements, are you idiots, no , and he directly

says that if we had gone for it, everything would have ended a year and a half ago, well, that is , putin said that the negotiations that took place in istanbul. they completely suited the russian side, that is, our rejection of the path to nato, the reduction of the armed forces of ukraine, well , there are many different points, mr. rostislav, this rhetoric that is now coming from putin's mouth means that with this position they still want to convince the world, so that the world agrees to this and in the end will do everything so that this... the conflict is frozen, although zelensky says about the fact that we are against the freezing of the conflict, but is this what putin wants, or does putin generally want the destruction of the ukrainian state and the destruction of ukrainians as such, simply? well, obviously, it is the second, he does not

hide it, after all, today he either slandered or said specifically, probably more likely the second, about the fact that he does conquer the country, as always... he seems to have liberated us, if we believe him, now in principle more frank assessments have been made, but the fact is that any peace initiatives should begin with the fact that the aggressor stops the actual carrying out of aggression , the conduct of hostilities, we do not see this, on the contrary, at his previous press conference, he again spoke about the so-called denationalization, denazification, so that this does not mean, but... and other things that are not very clear, which actually mean the destruction of the ukrainian states, subordination of ukraine to russia and its submersion in the russian world, and the actual destruction of us as such, and in these conditions, i think that he rather continues to bet on fear,

on the fact that this power, with which he threatens, should blind everyone, primarily ukrainians and lead others to accept. such scenarios, here it is most important for us to focus on thwarting such his plans, focus on strengthening the defense, defensive lines of fortification, strengthening the capabilities of ukraine in the production of weapons of destruction, obtaining such weapons from partners, the production of drones and other capabilities that will just show that all this is the same boasting that kyiv became known for in three days, as the destruction of the so-called ukrainian air defense and other things that putin likes to brag about, but which later turn out to be outright lies, and only in this way can we break this enthusiasm of putin's , who is trying to convince the world that

sooner or later he will still win. but what putin says means that he is not going to back down, he is not going to negotiate with anyone. mentions there today i listened to zelensky's decree, although there were decrees even under kuchma and there were decrees of prime minister kuchma, well, he does not know our history, what to do here, that is , there is no decree, there is a decision of the national security and defense council not to hold talks with representatives of the russian federation , until russia leaves the territory of the ukrainian state, and since zelensky is constantly talking about the peace formula, it is obviously necessary to talk about the peace formula not only for the forms, but probably for the whole of europe and the world, because putin is threatening. not only to ukraine, but also to the whole state. sir yaroslav, is it possible that such a proposal from

the ukrainian state and the articulation that a new, new security system should be discussed, well, in ukraine, in this situation, it is a sin not to take the initiative in this situation, because we suffer from that , that the security system is broken, which existed since 1945. and we must be the initiators of the adoption of this great vision of the future security architecture without russia, but taking into account putin's aggressive policy. in fact, we are joint owners of parliamentary delegations in the parliament assembly of the council of europe and in the osce parliamentary assembly, in others. we are already working on consolidating positions and explaining that

the ukrainian peace proposal is peace for the entire west, for the actual expansion of the security zone, yes, to a huge, huge space, these are opportunities for georgia, for belarus, in the end, probably deputized russia, in which one. a huge number of peoples, groups, ethnic groups live, more than 30% are not russians, but do not have any rights, and in general are now used as cannon fodder in this unfair war of conquest, which putin recognized today, and this is probably not the only thing that he would say truthfully, so of course, in principle, to formulate a ukrainian formula for peace, it is good that it exists, it is good that we are coming out with this proposal, it is critical as there are requests. well, we are hearing them now in the united states, in europe, yes, what are our

plans, yes, here, and i fully agree that in order to be understood in the world, it is necessary to speak not only about our issues, because no matter how it sounded cynical, but someone else's grief hurts little, so there was really close attention to ukraine's proposal, and a question about our position during the time of buchi, erpin, izyum, and... other tragedies of a genocidal format, now, considering hamas there, the elections in the united states, and other geopolitical challenges , for us to keep up with the trend, and for our offer of peace to be felt and perceived by the world, of course we need to talk about a consolidated security zone, about an interest in ukraine restoring its sovereignty. and control over ukrainian lands not only for baltics, not only for eastern europe, in

principle for the entire western world, it is clear that those things that periodically appear in the western media about the fact that if suddenly putin succeeds in ukraine, the question of the next victim is literally just the choice of ukraine from the former social camp or any neighbors. in russia, and on the other hand, how will china behave in taiwan, especially considering the fact that it was not chinese politicians who came to power there, that is , we really need to fit ourselves into the global agenda, in which we already are, and to emphasize that we are not only for ourselves, in fact, about what is constantly in the rhetoric, but it should be strengthened, that friends, we, in fact, are the line of resistance to democracy. this is the line, if nato does not want to, relatively speaking, simply increase

security indefinitely in a new, budgets in a new arms race, in a new arms race, come on, let's stop it here and now, the third war has started, the third world has started, someone tries not to notice it there, but there is a chance to pass it with smaller losses. than the first and second world, although of course, unfortunately, once again we are in the epicenter of events, so i agree to emphasize that this is a peace proposal not only for ukraine, occupied. territories, remember transnistria, remember abkhazia, ossetia, remember occupied belarus, we as a country did not recognize the results of the elections, that is, it is about a systemic problem, and we have ways to solve it, and we offer them, and they are in ukrainian, in ukrainian proposals

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the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, today we are talking about the peace formula, about how the world sees the future without putin or with putin, since we are asking you during this broadcast whether the world is ready to end putin, we suggest that you still give and determine your answer on this, yes no, on youtube everything is quite simple, if you are sitting on the tv air and watch us on tv, get your hands on it smartphone and vote if you think the world is ready to end putin (0800-211-380)... 1 no 0 800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. today, we have people's deputies of ukraine, vadym galaychuk, rastislav pavlenko and yaroslav yurchyshyn on the air. gentlemen, i also wanted to ask you about all these endless stories that are starting

to spin in the media, about journalists and about events. happening around journalists, because they were literally unknown the day before yesterday staged a provocation against investigative journalist, co -founder and editor of our money, yuriy nikolov, a person who wrote about abuses in the ministry of defense of ukraine and, in particular, about these famous or infamous eggs for 17 hryvnias, unknown persons came, broke into his apartment, yura was not at home, was the mother of the... zakali left a message on the door calling the journalist a traitor. at the same time, a video was uploaded to the network, which was recorded by unknown persons, where the employees of the bigusinfo investigation project are probably using narcotic substances, the head of the project, denys bigu recorded a video address to the audience with an explanation and assured that everyone who

cooperates with biguusinfo will pass tests for drug abuse, but all events forced this. mayor of kyiv vitaliy klychka to declare that the leadership of ukraine is destroying democratic principles, in particular the oppression of independent media and journalists who do not like the authorities because they criticize its actions. mr. vadim, first of all, i have a question for you, as a representative of the mono-power, mono-majority, do you accept such criticisms of klychko against the government, and should we consider what happened around bigusinfo and... now you mentioned it, i am here, of course, not going

to blame the authorities for those events, about which i am going to take away the bread of my colleagues, first of all, yurchyshyn's colleague, who, as i said, has already collected enough information about these events, but i will only say that our partners all note how surprised they are by the fact that ukraine, despite the terrible war with russia, despite the state of war, constant attacks, tension public, is preserved. as a democracy and a pretty, pretty free country, they feel quite at ease in this country. everyone who is engaged in such an important work, informing society about various events, including criticizing representatives

of various authorities, so i once again hope that these events will be immediately and in great detail, carefully investigated, society will receive full information about who, for what for what purpose organizes such events, let's not forget that the war in the information space is unprecedented in its intensity, unfortunately, enough we often see our enemy manage to carry out quite successful attacks, let's say so in this war in the information space, so i'. in the fact that the authorities, first of all, of course, law enforcement agencies, will do everything necessary so that the society receives

answers to the questions, and what happened after all, and of course bring to justice those who are guilty of these events, is it is also the responsibility of the authorities, and i have no doubt that this is the responsibility of law enforcement agencies and representatives in general. thank you, mr. vadim, mr. yaroslav, the question is for you as for the chairman of the parliamentary committee and the specialized parliamentary committee, regarding freedom of speech, you have already considered these issues or discussed among yourselves what is happening in general, that is , both yurii nikalov and bigusinfo are sufficiently well-known people and companies that i am investigating... and conducting investigation, of course these events cannot be attributed to the same scales of libra, but the fact that they happen in a row, that is

, all these events happen one after the other, indicates that it is probably not by chance that this happens and it is not by chance that telegram channels, which are close to the powerful structures, disperse, in particular stories about the same yuri nikolov, i now think that bigus will be big enough now. attack, because vigou himself admitted that he is now looking into what happened there with the vacation of his employees and the alleged use of narcotics? well, let's start with an assessment, if the policy of the mayor of kyiv, in fact, well , without receiving information from law enforcement agencies, it is still better not to start political criticism, especially at a time when in... it is clear that we will have a very meticulous attitude to freedom of speech from the side as well as society, as well as our international

community itself, we have facts, let's say, that demonstrate negative trends, yes, vadym is quite right that reporters without borders in the 22nd year compared to the 21st year showed that ukraine made some progress , but i have great skepticism that in the 23rd year we will be able to show this positive trend. because we actually remember the 22nd year, many people gave us, let's say, tentatively good marks, considering how we resisted the full-scale aggression of a much stronger opponent. now regarding what actually my committee is already doing, we turned to the law enforcement agencies from two points: first, yuriy nikolov, with whom we are in contact, and i got in touch with yuriy immediately, as soon as i learned about this situation, actually received assurances from... from the national to the police , who reacted quite promptly that they would study the material and, based on the available grounds , open their own investigation into this

incident, in my opinion, this fully falls under article 171, paragraph two, and possibly also paragraph one, and since there was a group together, yes it looks like a preliminary conspiracy to obstruct the activity of a journalist precisely because of... trying to physically influence him, regardless of whether he was at work or not, and we very often see how journalists are influenced in this, ah, because of his own such intimidation, that is the second point regarding the situation surrounding the bigus corporate body, no one can break the law, and in this case, the assessment of our actual behavior with drugs can be given by those who have... the right to give it, but here is the fact that , that we do not understand at the moment who authorized surveillance of journalists, whether

it is actually operative. on the activity, and then how it got into public sources, and therefore , in fact, we, and now i personally also turn to the security service of ukraine in order to find out how and in what directions this action was carried out, thank you , in fact, these materials have been received, there is, let's say, a moment like this, and it really turns into a very negative trend, to which the authorities... must definitely react, it will not be possible to remain silent here, because the fact that it appears on anonymous channels, which are mentioned quite often, again, with arguments , without arguments, we will not actually talk here, the authorities do not deny this, but in connection with certain information campaigns, that is why a proactive position is important, only in this way will the authorities be able to show that we are interested in order to raise hopes , to attack investigators and

journalists. maybe a huge number , when i was asked that, but who did yura cross the road like that, well, in fact, he crossed everyone, and because he leads a lot of people to clean water, there were claims against denys bigus in the previous government, in this government, and god willing, it will work, it will work in the next government, it's normal, it's not normal - it's when there is no reaction, we're just running out of time, sorry. i have mr. rostyslav to give a word about this situation, please, well , look, obstructing the activity of a journalist and intimidating a journalist is a crime, illegal surveillance, collection of materials and their publication is a crime, and will there be any reaction from law enforcement agencies, apart from some general assurances , i very much doubt it, because as already correctly said, so far we we see in telegram channels that are not simply associated with the government, because it is considered so, but

that participate correctly in campaigns against opponents of the government and in campaigns to praise the government itself, that is , it is very similar to the fact that we do not see any such meaningful actions of law enforcement agencies we will see , the refusal will continue, and unfortunately, everything looks like there will be further provocations against journalists under the assurance that nothing of the kind happened, and in the end, unfortunately, these two cases will not be exhausted. these problems with freedom of speech, we, gentlemen, are currently working on the air of a channel that is disconnected in the same way as the other two channels, direct and fifth, from digital broadcasting, and this completely illegal action continues, apart from the enthusiastic evaluations of our partners, remember, in the report the european commission is very clear, in that big 159 pages, it is very clear, for example, it is mentioned about the problems with turning off the opposition channels, about other

problems, sorry, we have to end our broadcast, i would like to talk about it more, but we will definitely do it in another broadcast. rostyslav pavlenko, vadym galaichuk and yaroslav yurchyshyn were guests of today's program. gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program. during the program, we conducted a survey, we friends asked you whether the world is ready to end putin. what the results of our television survey show us: so 32% think yes, 68% no, this is the program. the verdict was today, i say goodbye to you, until the next program at 20:00, i wish you all good health, take care of yourself and your relatives, goodbye.