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, us president national security adviser jake sullivan will deliver a corresponding message to ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyi on the sidelines of the world economic forum in davos. as the author of the publication, bloomberg columnist on diplomacy and geopolitics anres kluth, suggests, zelensky understands why this makes sense, but he does not like to talk about it publicly. for ukraine, almost two years after the start of the full-scale russian invasion, it is a difficult situation, and zelensky in order to maintain morale in the country , he believes that he needs to continue to deny that the war has reached a dead end, the american publication writes. it is possible to change the strategy only under one condition, if the united states must provide ukraine with weapons and ammunition, the author of the publication notes. the president of ukraine should tell sullivan that ukraine can defend itself well if the united states and its allies provide weapons and ammunition, the publication says. well, the author also reminds that in 2000 23 in

the usa and great britain and the european union and others western allies supported ukraine, but their enthusiasm is weaker, this is a literal quote , and i will also add that less than a week ago , the white house spokesman for national security, john kirby , said that the us aid to ukraine has stopped , it will be continued if, well, or when, to be more precise, the american congress will make the appropriate decision. well , mykhailo samus, director of the new geopolitical research network, joins our broadcast, good evening, greetings, if you analyze this publication that i just quoted, it may seem that the west, but in particular the united states, against the offensive of the armed forces of ukraine, is this the case, or do you see signs of this? well, i wouldn't compare the opinion of one author with the opinion of the west, after all, there are several hundred million million people living there, and i wouldn't subscribe to ... that they think

like this author, i think that this author has some kind of purpose in such a publication, to assure everyone that ukraine must surrender, that is , i repeat once again, any negotiations, any freezes of this conflict, of this war mean the capitulation of ukraine, no matter how we they didn't call it, minsk-3, 4:5, and this is the proposal, let's go on the defensive, well , let's go on the defensive, which means that we actually agree to the status quo. then we begin to analyze the situation, this author, he pretends that we live in some abstract world, we do not know that there will be elections in the united states, that in a year, what trump said today, i will end this, i will end this war in a few minutes, i will dial putin, then dial zelensky and decide all this, under what conditions trump can solve it, right, if ukraine refuses to oppose russian aggression, that is, if at the time trump comes to the office, ukraine will be...

in deep defense, if putin manages to break through, for example, at least in some areas of the front in the east, take avdiivka, for example, and then to fix all this is a line of defense, similar to what happened during the signing of the minsk agreements, and ukraine at this moment, instead of trying to break through the southern front and go to crimea, will remain in the positions we are in now we have, that is, it will leave from the left bank of the kherson region, from the bridgehead that we used to operate, and now we will get it, it is possible to leave the zaporizhia region in general, and fix it. there along some of the lines that existed before the ukrainian counter-offensive, and precisely in these conditions trump will say: look, the 24th year has passed, ukraine has sat on the defensive, let's negotiate, let's really sign everything. today putin, by the way

, said exactly that, is this a coincidence, or as the classic said, i don’t think so, it seems to me that i don’t think so, because the same publications went out again ourselves, let's pretend, there are none. help, let ukraine stop its struggle already , it seems to me, after all, we need to look a little at these authors and maybe spit a little over the left shoulder, because they are already getting a little with their proposals, and you just quoted trump, we just have this this video recording, we can now show for our audience to understand and and continue, what exactly did trump say? putin and i get along great, we get along very well. you are solved, the situation with ukraine is terrible, and we are going to solve it, we we're going to solve this very quickly, i know president putin very well,

i know zelensky very well, i can bring him in, we 're going to solve this very quickly, this should never have happened, trump just didn't say exactly how they were going to solve it. but he repeated several times that he will solve it quickly, you said that if ukraine is on the defensive at the end of the 24th year and trump comes to power, then it will be very easy for him to incline ukraine to negotiations. if that is the case, why then the current american government, if this is to be believed publications, at least a refutation , today we did not hear why the current ukrainian american authorities are interested in changing the strategy and allegedly conveying to volodymyr zelensky a message that the passages should be switched to defense. again, i wouldn't... just repeat what one author wrote, and that, but michael, well, it 's been written about a lot in the last weeks or even months, not just this one author who writes that the biden administration wants, for ukraine to sit on the defensive, that the united states, from time to time , advises the ukrainian authorities to go to

of defense, yes, ukrainian , well, that is, look, when the american administration advised zelensky to flee from kyiv, they also... acted out of some of their own interests, of course, and now they act out of their own interests, that is, of course, i will repeat myself once again, for example , i have repeated many times that both the european oligarchies and many people in the united states do not like the fact that ukraine is at war, it would be much more profitable, much more convenient to continue bnes as usual with russia, now we ukrainians have broken this economic system that actually existed the last not even 30, but 50 years, well , for example, the same gas alliance between russia, between the soviet union, and even germany, it was being built since the 70s, and ukraine broke it, well, that is, of course, to many i don't like it, because there are hundreds of billions of euros and dollars, maybe even trillions involved in all this, and the further ukraine

continues to fight, the more everyone understands that it will be very, very difficult to return to the status quo that existed until february 22- th year, and... of course, if only now ukraine stopped, sat on the defensive , and then signed some kind of agreement with russia, when trump comes, everyone would be fine, what the biden administration is doing, indeed in the biden administration, we know it, both at the sullivan level, and at the burns level, and there is, in my opinion, a misunderstanding of the role of russia in the modern world, they still live in the model that there is some sort of soviet union, the united states is powerful. and here they are among themselves, as gentlemen agree. in fact, there has been no such thing for a long time. we know that putin is absolutely not of that category man, and so actually, a lot of, shall we say, late decisions were made in the biden administration, but still , the biden administration

helped us very, very much, and now the ball is not in the biden administration, after all, in the congress. if congress approves an aid package for ukraine. then ukraine has a chance when trump comes to the office, then, for example, we will already conduct an operation to de-occupy crimea, and trump simply will not call putin, he will not. there is no point in talking to the loser, he will see that this war will end a little differently than everyone believes now, and now everyone believes that everything, you yourself quoted this author who repeats the term dead end, as we have been saying, there is no dead end, the russians keep more than 400 thousand troops on our territory , what is this impasse, since october they have been trying to break through our front in various... directions, they are losing a huge number of personnel, equipment, they

are losing the a50 plane, what is this impasse? i would like to look at those analysts who will show me at least one more military deadlock in which strategic aircraft are lost, i don't know how to explain to such authors that a deadlock in war looks a little different, you just mentioned the prospect of american aid and you said that the ball is in congress's court . just today they published an interview with the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleb, he also mentioned that time has an effect, that there is little time left for the congress and that if the weapons eventually run out, the ukrainians will fight with shovels, let's just listen to this fragment now. well, time is running out, but not our commitment and willingness to defend our country, and i say in all seriousness that even if we... run out of guns, we will fight with spades because the existence

of this nation, the very existence of this country is at stake . mykhailo, well, apparently , you can’t fight rockets with shovels somehow, maybe it was such a figure of speech, most likely, but what will happen if the congress will delay the aid very much, and in the coming months will not approve it, will ukraine have enough resources , well, at least qualitatively defend? everything depends on how our european partners will act, that is, thank god, we still have europe, europe, unlike the united states, still acts more effectively, and no matter how paradoxical it may sound, now germany is the most active as our friend, partner, and it is germany that is acting, and regarding, for example, the development of the ammunition industry very actively, and the armored industry very actively. and provides supplies, for example, of air defense systems, in addition,

germany itself has about 30 divisions of systems patriot, that is, germany could even help us, here when we talk about the united states, in fact, we do not mean just any help to ukraine, if the united states now allows a decision to be made that it withdraws from supporting ukraine, it actually withdraws from euro. they come from the support of the euro-atlantic community, trump himself, in principle, as it was said in the american press, he is determined to actually withdraw the united states from nato, and this means that it is not only for ukraine, of course, the problems are getting worse, and for the entire european continent, the european union should become a greater subject in both military-strategic and geopolitical terms. plan, so it is possible that europe, together

with ukraine, now has a chance to demonstrate its subjectivity and demonstrate its ability to mobilize and help ukraine, and ukraine is actually helping europe, because the biggest threat from russia is not for the united states, really, and for the united states, in fact, very, very dangerous processes are taking place in the east asia, when we talk about north-south korea, taiwan, it's all from... really connected to the axis of evil russia, north korea, iran, china, it's all connected, if the united states withdraws from europe, their they will then be pushed out by east asia as well, it’s all clear to me, i can’t explain why they don’t understand this in the united states and play with such important aspects for the united states itself, but for ukraine, if from the point of view of weapons, in another year we will definitely let's wait, if the europeans will help us, it's ammunition, it's... it's armored vehicles, it's airplanes, which will not go to the united states, i will remind you, it is still the netherlands, denmark, and

maybe next will be belgium and norway and sweden with influenza, that is, these are all european countries, after all , the united states, it seems to me that there are more here now it is important for the united states to stay in the game, more than even ukraine for europe, i think that we will last another year, but what will happen next in the 25th year, if a... trump wins, and ukraine does not manage to break through the front in the south, of course, this will be interesting, an interesting schedule, more about europe i can't help but remember, the prime minister of estonia, kaia kallas, gave an interview and she said that she believes that europe has three dashes of 5 years to prepare for a possible military threat from russia to the eastern flank of nato. earlier , i will also remind you that the german publication bild wrote that germany is preparing for a confrontation between nato and russia, under what conditions, from your point of view, can

a real war between nato and russia begin, and not a hybrid one? i think this is very very optimistic. if we just look at the proportions, that is let's compare the forces that are in estonia, for example , or in all the baltic countries, in poland, and let's say, if russia has 400 thousand now, that is , we have 400, 400 thousand in... we imagine that ukraine is going to freeze the conflict , well, or goes on the defensive, yes, what is going on the defensive, it means that the front can really go into a bad corner, the russians leave 200 thousand here, 200 thousand are sent to belarus, another 200,000 are mobilized and sent to the baltic countries, and then there is an attack on poland, on the baltic countries, and i am not sure that 400

thousands of russian troops will not... create such a threat that poland and the baltic countries can cope with, and most importantly, nato can cope. let me remind you that trump can announce the withdrawal of the united states from nato, or create conditions when nato will not actually be functional, that is, and at the moment, for example, orbán or fico can create conditions when, well, for example, it will not be a nato decision on any issue is made, that is... a decision should be made by consensus, and we forget about orbán and fitza, who can block any decision, now they are playing with it in the european union, and sometimes in nato, but in nato such serious decisions have not been made yet, so in fact 3-5 years is very optimistic, i would be in the place of the europeans, especially the

baltic countries, to prepare now, now i would prepare directly, because it's just a change'. administration in the united states is the perfect time to launch attacks against nato's eastern flank countries. i understood you. we have one more topic, i will ask you to stay on the air for a few minutes to discuss it as well. on the night of today, russian air defense forces shot down eight ukrainian drones in the territory of the voronezh region, this is russia, according to the ministry of defense of russia. in addition, the department said that four more drones. was shot down in the belgorod region, but in voronezh they announced that an emergency state of emergency had been introduced there . the ukrainian authorities have not commented on the events in voronezh at the moment, but i will remind you that earlier in kyiv they recognized drone strikes on military targets in russian rears, from where russia attacks ukraine. according to information eyewitnesses in voronezh were hearing dozens of explosions, people filmed this video, which we are now showing you on their phones,

posted it on the network, and according to the local authorities, due to the fall of fragments of downed drones, a fire started in a ... high-rise building, that's all , under the car, i probably had time, the apartment is on fire, it turns out, here's the arrival, there you go, roosters, you see where the wires go, everything goes there, everything, the pipe.

mykhailo samus, director of the new geopolitical research network, is in touch with us. mykhailo, what about in voronezh, why him to attack, what function does this city or facility located there perform for the russian army? there is an important airfield there, it is called baltimore, and various aircraft are based there, both military, military transport, and fighter and so on, reconnaissance, that is, in principle, it is an important airfield that russia can use in order to act against ukraine or. transfer forces and so on, so the feasibility of an attack on this airfield is quite justified. do not expect western partners to sound warnings, rather than impress some. military goals in russia? well, from the author of this article that we discussed, i think there will be a warning, because we do not defend ourselves in this way, but i think that all people who understand a little about

military affairs, they know that in order for russia not to carry out the use of aviation against ukraine, it is necessary to destroy this aviation, well, that is logical. and then i have the last question, what is your attitude to this initiative, which is now being actively discussed both in social networks and in the media, the calls of the minister of digital transformation mykhailo fedorov to assemble drones on their own at home, how effective can it be? well, the idea is to maximally, really maximally involve the citizens of ukraine in the production of such drones, that is, we have an idea about building 1 million fpv drones, it is quite likely to be done, there are several challenges regarding components, regarding production capabilities and so on . that is, all people who have some skills, for example, engineering or can be engaged in, let's say, the assembly of these drones, why don't you take part in

this matter, which must of course be coordinated, and of course systematic, i.e. all assembled in a certain way under the guidance of instructors, it can be online products, i.e. drones, then they are transferred to special organizations that ... check them, test them, certify them and only then transfer them to the armed forces, that is, i think that in this there is a sense. thank you very much for joining our broadcast. mykhailo samus, director of the new geopolitical research network, was on radio liberty. thank you. what is read in the president's office? journalists of bigusinfo conducted a thorough investigation. they analyzed dozens of analytical reports with mentions of top officials. these reports. prepared for the office of the president and the cabinet of ministers with state money, the reports analyze mentions of officials in the media, summarize the most important events of the week with the participation of these officials, and

also determine who criticized them and for what, well, this is so that the authorities have an idea , what informational agenda prevails in ukraine and what place in this agenda is occupied by a specific representative of the government, be it the president, or the ministers, the minister, who and for what, for example, their criticizes so, the journalists found out that the company that prepares such answers for the office of the president and the cabinet of ministers belongs to the people's deputy from the servant of the people oleksandr marikovsky. for 2023 , marikovsky's company received almost uah 10 million from the budget of ukraine for such reports. in these reports, which actually analyze mentions of top officials in the media, criticism of the government was often reported with reference to unnamed opposition media, calling this criticism not criticism, actually, but attacks, and sometimes political is added to critics. text from negative connotation. it is interesting that on the second day, after the biguus team published this investigation, a video was leaked on the network, where the employees of the investigative journalism project are probably using

narcotic substances. the head of the project, denys bigus, recorded a video address to the audience, where he assured that everyone who cooperates with bigusinfo will pass drug tests. bigus clarified that the employees shown in this video are operators and that they are all fired at this time. anastasia usenko, a journalist, joins our broadcast of the bigusinfo project. anastasia, good evening. good evening, you know, when we called you, we wanted to discuss with you your own investigation into the reports for the president's office, and then the whole story with the use of narcotic substances appeared. your investigation related to the office of the president and the cabinet of ministers, after it, on the second day, this video was leaked to the network, where your employees allegedly use narcotic substances, are you connected? are these two things mutually exclusive or not? and look, what we understand now, what our team understands, that the wiretapping of individual members

of our team took place over several months, at least, er, that is, there were probably other, other investigations, other reasons for those who were engaged in this, to do this, we have a lot of different materials that relate to... . and law enforcement structures, and the office of the president , and individual members of the verkhovna rada there, therefore , to understand at the moment, after what investigation, those who are doing this started doing it, well , at the moment there is no such understanding, but if i understand correctly, put dots over and bigus, the editors of bigusinfo admit that on the video is your employees, who allegedly used it during the corporate event. narcotic substances, look, as of today, we have a published position, you mentioned it to denis himself and the editors, this is the first

video published by denis, we are currently preparing it. another video that will be published today or tomorrow, most likely today, in which denis will explain in more detail his comments and the position of our team. regarding, here it is important to record several points, i will say for myself from what i can now comment on, the first point is really personnel changes, denys said about it in his video, that those people who were recorded on the video, they will not cooperate with... more with the bigusinfo team, and the second point is the actual sms monitoring of the team and listening phones denys will tell more about this in the second video. yes, actually, this video gives us an understanding that the journalists who are systematically reporting on the government are being monitored and listened to, and as far as i understand, as you just said, this process has been going on for several months, so it's not

did they start tracking you yesterday? do you have any idea who could be behind this? about a few months, that's from what we understand as of now, well again we can't say for sure because that's what we understand from the released video that we all saw today, it could have been a lot longer , much more, well, we cannot say about this, who is behind it, and as of now, our team does not have such an answer, well, obviously, these are people who want. to know what journalists do, what topics they are cooking, what they are working on and so on. but i will say for our audience that you have made a number of materials about the reconstruction, where unscrupulous schemes are taking place, including mentioning the deputy heads of the president's office who may be involved in these schemes, you have made a number of investigations about law enforcement agencies, about people who occupy senior positions in the ministry of internal

affairs, some of them... have relatives with russian passports, have connections with current or former russian criminal authorities and so on, i.e. your sphere of activity is quite limited and it is reduced to specific institutions and specific people, and that's right then , let's talk about the latest investigations, about these same reports, which cost only in the last year, for the 23rd year, the budget of ukraine in the amount of 10 million hryvnias, who paid the company to the acting people's deputy from the servant of the people. for the understanding of our audience, why do such reports exist at all, we cannot do without them, to spend so much money on them, to whom, what benefit do they bring? well, look, my subjective impression is that in the very concept of these reports there is nothing wrong, well, that is, we are talking about the fact that the government and top officials, they should understand what is happening in the information space of ukraine, and let's hypothetically imagine that zelensky went on some

business trip abroad, he needs to... . to see how the foreign media reacted to his visit there, and there are special companies that are engaged in monitoring, they do it quickly there, and highlight the main accents, messages, who criticized, who approved, what political forces are there and so on, and there, roughly speaking, in half a day a report appears, you read it, spend 15 minutes on it and understand the overall picture, or there, for example, our ministry of defense needs to see how society feels, how the media communicates the issue of increasing mobilization, if this report is done qualitatively, it is correct and cool, then you can understand how journalists react there, how much this issue is raised in the media, how society reacts to it, and in general the idea itself, it is very correct and necessary, because it is obvious that officials do not sit in front of tvs, there in front of youtube, they don’t read telegram channels, and here are all the reports, they have a very correct concept in them, in my opinion, the question is how these reports are,

how well they are made, what is packed inside them, and what is the final the information reaches these officials, considering the reports that we saw, because we analyzed, well, more than a dozen, so exactly in the previous year, this is the 23rd, and from what we saw, we actually voiced in the story, that there are many socially important issues, including which concern criticism of the authorities, they are mostly ignored or mitigated, from which we... you , more precisely, what conclusions did you draw, if in the report , which representatives of the authorities receive, there is no criticism of them, or it is mitigated, or is she deformed well, look, here is another important point that we actually wanted to understand after seeing these reports and analyzing them, what is the reason that ...