already own missiles, there is a kn-23 missile, and the russians have already released them on our territory, but so far these launches are single, so you are absolutely right if you say that for now it is just a test in combat conditions. mr. valery, quite often during the last week, our leaders, military leaders and the political leadership of the state talk about systems. about electronic warfare, and we do not know, in fact, whether there are many of these reb systems in ukraine or not many, but i just a few days ago, when i was looking at the statistics for mass shelling, mass shelling of ukraine on the night of january 13, i noticed that there were 20 missiles that were not shot down, but they also did not fly anywhere, that is, does this mean that... in

ukraine there is or is a new one appearing the reb system , which allows you to land these missiles , that is, not to use air defense, but by simply suppressing the signal or in some other way , simply put these missiles somewhere in the field on the border between ukraine and russia, well, look, if you put most of the missiles, especially korean missiles, they are guided by gps, at least most of the way they use satellite systems. korean missiles use three satellite systems, they are russian glonass, ah, russian glanass, chinese beidou and american gps. russian rockets also use the european galileo system. ot. that is, if you put obstacles in this... system, signal,

that means, change these signals a little, then the missiles will be deflected and they will not necessarily fall into those, well, that passive system that they have on board, which does not depends on gps, there may be deviations so large that they will no longer be able to return to the trajectory, to the correct trajectory, this option is possible to set up obstacles, maybe we got some systems that... allow us to interfere in general with the navigation system or the communication system of these missiles, well, because some of the most advanced missiles can be retargeted directly in the air, and from the same ones, well, probably from 50 or so satellite systems, but it is possible to retarget, and in general i think that the grouping of anti-missile weapons in our country has not so much increased as, well by itself increased but

it was they who increased the density of their location and power, because now this reb has already become, well, it can be seen that it has become effective, although there were cases before when rockets fell anywhere, but this time the spokesman of the air force said that the rockets in general, there they got somewhere in the fields, in the forests, that is, really in their navigation system, in their routes. some adjustments were made and were not foreseen by those who launched them, and you can see that in each, in each protocol of the transfer of some weapons to us from the united states or germany, the equipment of the reb is present, one way or another under one or another position there, for example, there is equipment for air defense, it

is inserted and apparently it has reached such a density and such efficiency that now we can no longer spend missiles on knocking down russian means of destruction, it is especially effective against the shaheds. thank you, mr. valery, for the conversation, it was valery romanenko, aviation expert, leading researcher of the state aviation museum. friends, we are working live on the tv channel espresso, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. if you watch us live on... on youtube and on facebook, please like us, don't skimp on our broadcast to be promoted in youtube trends, and subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey, today we we ask you about this, is the world ready to end putin, what do you think about it, dear friends, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, or if you have an opinion, then please write in the comments under this video, if you are watching we are on tv, pick up your smartphone.

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to agree, to transfer into some conflict into something into some new field, perhaps into the field of a frozen conflict, and of course on... the most important thing is that zelenskyy spoke at the forum in davos that a peace formula is needed , a global summit is needed and this formula needs to be discussed, is it already obvious, do you think, to most of the participants, including this forum in davos, that the peace formula affects not only ukraine, and that putin is a global problem. that this is not a problem of ukraine or the baltic countries or poland, but putin is a worldwide problem that must be fought and fought by destroying putin's regime, by destroying putin's russia. i think that this understanding

is constantly growing, but it is still not enough. why, because there is a so-called global south, there are not so many countries, well, this region. well, this global south is represented at the dovd forum, but nevertheless there are quite a few of them there, and we have not reached them yet, that is, we do not see such a universal, let's say, solidarity with russia, excuse me with ukraine, from the countries of the global south , some of them have changed their neutral position, well, since the beginning of the large-scale ... aggression, more or less in favor of ukraine, but mostly most of these countries take such a positive position a neutral position, that is, she sympathizes with ukraine, or they are in these countries, i mean

, but nevertheless, they have not yet agreed to our proposals and are not ready, as it seems to me, to take such a really active part in the negotiations. as for what will happen after the victory of ukraine, here we are talking about its various conditions, various reasons, er, some of these countries believe that ukraine should still cede part of its sovereignty, and this, of course , does not suit us and our partners, i.e., summarizing, i will say that among of our partners, i think that there is already universal support, there is nowhere to increase it, except in the direction of even greater military aid and financial aid, this is being done today, our diplomacy and the leadership of our state are working on this, but with the countries we still need to work on the global south, i hope that the devoz forum and the meetings that

our president has already had and will have, within the framework of this forum, i would like to have as many contacts as possible with the countries of... that of the global south itself, they need clarify, we must work hard with them and seek from them, if not full support for our position, then at least an understanding of our position and a willingness to support us at future forums, whether it will be something like a form where a peace formula will be negotiated, we we know that... offered their territory for a future summit of a kind, at one time they talked about such a summit on the sidelines of the un general assembly, i don't know if this idea is still alive. in any case, one way or another, such a forum should take place, if not

tomorrow, not in a week, but in a certain time, and here we will need the support of precisely those countries of its global cock, which we still... lack today, mr. volodymyr, during his visit to switzerland, president zelenskyi hinted that russia is not will be invited to this global peace summit, noting that kyiv prefers to see... at the upcoming conference all states that respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of ukraine. today, vladimir putin also commented on the peace formula from ukraine and talked about why it cannot be implemented and why russia does not treat this formula in a special way. let's listen to what putin said. an attempt to force us to abandon the conquests we have made.

this is the continuation of the implementation of the decree of the president of peace, which is talked about in the west and in ukraine, about the prohibition of ukraine to negotiate with russia, that's what it is, these are prohibitive requirements for the negotiation process. mr. volodymyr, it is clear that putin. house, that there are no presidential decrees, once there were decrees of the prime minister of ukraine, kuchma, and there have been no decrees in ukraine for a long time, no one issues them, but less so, putin said that it is impossible to give up what russia already has, he cannot give it up, and everyone understands that, i do, i understand that putin is saying that ukraine should go to territorial ... concessions or accept , as they say quite often, the new

territorial reality and say that the world understands this, or does part of the world understand, as you think, but for most countries of the world, the fact that putin occupied and annexed ukrainian territory, or this is the answer to the fact that there will be no negotiations and putin never will. these territories will not be ceded, or it will be impossible to smoke it out of there, you know , this is precisely the root of the problem, that is why russia is not invited to the negotiations, because it is not clear what the subject of these negotiations should be, since we heard what putin said now, he said it, he said it before, but if we recall one of the last resolutions of the general assembly. which received, if i am not mistaken, 143 votes, which directly

stated the inadmissibility of russia's aggression against ukraine, which stated that russia is the aggressor and where it was said that , well, at least those countries that supported this resolution, they absolutely do not accept the so-called territorial conquests of russia that putin is talking about, that is, the realities that he... is talking about, i think , that they exist only in a fictional form, in his head and in the head, let's say so, of the russian establishment, er, well, the vast majority of countries in the world, i would say that almost all of them, except for those five or seven who russia is supported, i will not list them, they are everyone knows, everyone else does not accept it, will never agree to it, and that is why the question arises about... what and with whom to talk at such negotiations, if russia is invited there, so until the russian leadership

changes this position, i think that it will be able to change this position only after certain turning points at the front, that is, now, as i have already said many times, including on your broadcasts, the main interlocutor from the ukrainian side is the armed forces of ukraine, so when we will be... we will have some success, when the russian leadership finally understands that this war is leading to a complete dead end and no way out, and none of the goals that russia has set for itself will be achieved, then it will be possible to talk to them about something, and i am not sure that with these people it will be possible to talk about something, but we will see in time, maybe the situation will change and we will have other... people from the russian federation, with whom it will be possible to not just talk about something, but

with the understanding that we can reach an agreement , which will then be this country, whether its future leadership will comply, because today all the agreements that were reached with the russian federation until today, including ukraine, i mean... in 1997, and violations of the un charter, and in principle of the osce, and many other things, all this remained only on paper, russia never fulfills the obligations it has taken upon itself. takes, and this applies not only to ukraine, but also to many, many other issues. mr. volodymyr, former president of the united states of america donald trump, after winning the republican primary, promised to resolve the situation with the war in ukraine very quickly. let's hear what trump said. i know president putin very well, i

know zelenskyi very well, i can involve him, we will solve it very quickly. should never have happened, putin and i get along great, we get along very well, that's good, not bad, if fake news became real and honest news, 90% of our problems in this country would be solved, the situation with ukraine is so terrible, and we 're going to work it out, we're going to solve it very quickly. mr. volodymyr, well , considering that trump may become the next president. of the united states of america and what he is saying that we will resolve very quickly, i know putin very well and we get along very well, how do you think trump can resolve the issue of the future of ukraine and the issue of ending russia's war against ukraine ? we can't hear you, unfortunately, we've lost sound,

and now yes, yes, yes, well, it remains a huge... mystery, a mystery to me, because i'll be honest with you, i don't i can understand, understand what mr. trump means, and i don't think what he's saying right now is really any kind of reality, not his complete detachment from the reality he'll face if he's elected. president of the united states of america because one thing is, his rhetoric on the campaign trail, he says what he wants to hear... his electorate, another thing is what he will have to deal with if and when he becomes president the united states of america, again, and here i think his rhetoric changes, we've heard these kinds of statements from president trump back when he was president, in the past, i've heard these statements back when i was working in washington, but the thing

is, when i discuss these issues... on a serious level, you know, in such an informal plan, even, i would say, the tonality was very different from what we heard from him during such emotional statements, he likes it, he is not a systemic politician, this is exactly what he works on, and this, let's say, is the basis of his success, because you know, people hear that from him unexpected things that... and no one expected, no one expected, they think that there is truth in this, there is some reality in this, but in fact the reality is very different from what we hear today from mr. trump as a candidate, well, not yet a candidate, but possibly a future candidate for the presidency of the united states, so i repeat once again that

you should pay attention not to his rhetoric, his today, but to the actions that... and he will take in reality, if he will be the next president of the united states of america, i think it will be absolutely a different person, and we will see completely different steps from him than what we hear from him today. mr. volodymyr, germany, the baltic states and poland are already publicly and openly talking about a possible war with russia in three years. years, in your opinion , is the development of such a scenario possible, i understand that it is probably very difficult for russia to predict and understand what putin wants, but still, can putin go to raise rates and encroach there not, say, the baltic countries, or to show strength in

the kaliningrad region, especially since there is russian military bases. and obviously putin will probably have such a temptation, you know, after what we have seen in the last two years in ukraine, after the start of russia's rash aggression, i am not ruling anything out, although in fact i think that everything is not so simple, everything is not so clear-cut, one thing is to write tweets, as mr. medvedev does, or to make from... statements about nuclear weapons, well, about the use of nuclear weapons in the event of any danger to the russian federation there, but apart from such statements, we have not yet saw none some practical, let's say, steps that confirmed that behind these statements is, well , some serious intention, but on the other hand,

i will repeat once again that i do not rule out any steps on the part of the leadership of the russian federation, since the further they are , well, let's put it this way, getting involved in this conflict, in this war with ukraine, the more they will feel the pain. and even more so, they may be tempted, well, to take some such steps that, in their opinion, will allow them to somehow get out of this impasse, so i do not rule out certain aggressive actions against other countries, these are poland, these are the baltic countries, as you said, today russia basically uses any unrest in any part of the world, we see it today in the gas sector, in the same yemen. in the red sea, the situation around taiwan, i mean north korea and russia's support for it and so on, we see that russia will continue

to use any opportunity to divert attention on the one hand from the war that they are waging lashed out against ukraine, and on the other hand, to distract western countries , first of all, the united states of america, from the help that these countries are providing to our state today, that is, putin's task is not to lose to ukraine, and if he does, to the north atlantic alliance, that's right. well , there can be no other, no other option, well , judging by the events that have taken place and the position articulated by putin, who constantly says that we are at war with the entire north atlantic bloc, with the entire west. with nato, the united states of america, and of course, he needs them any victories or defeats, beautiful defeats, he can at any moment

complete the so-called special military operation. very briefly, how likely is it that putin will curl up and say that the goals of the special military operation have been fulfilled, and we will fixate on what is now and will not do anything else anywhere, that's ours and that's all. well, you know, it's hard for me to imagine it today, although on the other hand, given the impasse that putin and the russian army of ukraine have already found themselves in, and i don't see any prospects for their advancement, well, at least on the territory of ukraine, if it will be a protracted war and all this will continue in the future, then of course it will be necessary to look for some way out, and here he can go so far as to say that... let's put everything here full stop, but what will follow is what we talked about a little earlier, that is, the realities on the ground, about which he constantly says that

let's stop now, and ukraine should deal with the fact that there is no longer 20% of the ukrainian territory, that this territory is , the russian federation, and we will continue to leave from this, and ukraine and ukrainian society will never agree to this, thank you mr. volodymyr, it was volodymyr yelchenko, diplomat, former... representative of ukraine at the united nations. friends, during our broadcast we conducted a survey, we asked you about this and we ask, is the world ready to end putin? 33% yes, 67% - no, these are the results of a television poll. hello, this is svoboda ranok, an informational project of radio svoboda. guests every day, this is the shipping district, kherson, the inclusion is live, we are there somewhere in the vicinity of bakhmut, we will tell you the main thing.

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chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on freedom. the words of the member of the parliamentary faction voice, mr. yaroslav, i congratulate you and thank you for finding time for our broadcast. good evening. let's start with a bliss poll, gentlemen, as we ask our viewers what they think about whether the world is ready to end putin, and unfortunately, we have two options for the poll, yes, no, obviously, you more options, more thoughts and more words you can say. about whether the world is ready to end putin, because today volodymyr zelenskyi in davos spoke about putin as a predator, as a person with whom it is impossible to agree on anything, and the only way out is simply to end it, as he previously said with putin. mr. vadim, what do you say about whether the world is ready to put an end to putin, given the crimes that

the whole world and ukraine are witnessing. in particular, my answer is yes, first of all really, because the whole world saw the criminal image of the regime created by putin and its crimes, which are well on recorded today, there are legal decisions, including those about bringing him to criminal responsibility, but here i would also like to draw attention to the fact that with his very conditional partners, too, as we learn more and more from various sources of information, putin did not quite frankly, and therefore even those who today are his conditional allies are also, again, according to the information that is beginning to come in more and more, ee are his...