the ukrainian side and its partners would like to talk and clarify beijing's roles and intentions in russia's war against ukraine, which is called the ukrainian crisis in china. no probability of such meetings is confirmed, but neither is it denied, at least not yet. zoryana stepanenko, marek hayduk, radio liberty. ruslan ocypenko, diplomat, international expert, joins our broadcast. congratulations. congratulations. thank you for joining. well, the new york times writes that although the theme of the war was noticeable, it was left out at the forum actually did not dominate and they say officials and businessmen publicly and privately insisted on a diplomatic end to the war. and what is your impression of the forum in general, and the ukrainian issue in particular? positive impressions about statements made by leaders at the forum and around the forum in europe, in particular. i see the unfolding of a trend that started back in december, when the european council gave the green light. slo ukraine at the beginning of the transition

to join the european union, this was a turning point, in my opinion, this realization europeans that you can't give russia what it wants, and it asked its zones to return the zones of influence to the line of 1997, do you remember that the countries of central and eastern europe, that first nato pushed the infrastructure away, and then they kind of fell into its the sphere of influence, so the december answer was just right, this was the december answer. and a united measure, which will not be such that a sovereign state will determine for itself where it wants to go, in which alliances, and look at the statements that were made, you showed ursula fondern's statement, and at the same time there was a statement leaders of the faction of the european parliament, who insisted on the continuation of assistance in fulfilling obligations to ukraine and the continuation of military and financial aid, then the statements of chancellor scholz, the statements of president... macron and the statements of mr. duda,

so scholz said that it is necessary to verify in general who how much he gave to ukraine, and he expressed his dissatisfaction that it was not enough, that the europeans could be more actively involved in helping ukraine, just as he had a conversation with biden, with president biden, and announced that for the 24th year, he would increase aid by 7 billion military aid to ukraine, president macron as well. promised a visit to ukraine in february and the transfer of long-range scalp missiles to ukraine, and president duda stated that the issue of ukraine's accession to nato can be considered before the end of the war, that is, at least start discussions. that is, these signals are all speaking together, they are saying that ukraine, first of all, will be part of the euro-atlantic space, both security and political, i am convinced of this, sooner or later. and it doesn't matter

that it's clear to me why the ukrainian-russian war, it didn't happen a top topic, because global topics are discussed in davos, for example, there about artificial intelligence, which will affect all humanity in the 21st century, that it is not codified, not standardized, and it should be standardized, because it carries a danger no less than nuclear weapons , for example, without a doubt against this background, it is the security of humanity, and against this background, without a doubt, it is one of the elements of ukrainian... war is one of the elements of this security, i.e. the return of the system to normality, where the rule of law will prevail, so, but this issue was actively discussed, and there is a belief in western leaders, not all of them, understand that it is necessary to solve something with russia through diplomatic means, from my point of view, there is an understanding that russia must be defeated, everything cannot be negotiated with it, because it will not move away from china, it understands... it is a force of this

russian-chinese alliance, and it wants to fight a long war, to continue this war in order to achieve its goals, so it must be defeated in ukraine so that russia does not come to europe, so that it does not start a war against nato, so what idea, and therefore support for ukraine, i think it is guaranteed, because it will buy time for the western community to adjust and expand, expand all the bottlenecks, there in the security sector, in the economic, political, by preparing. great war. i will have another question for you regarding the fact that the new york times also writes and notes that zelensky from the stage, when he spoke, did not call for arms to be provided to ukraine for new offensive operations. do you think, from a political point of view, can this be connected with what bloomberg previously wrote, which seems to be the president of ukraine in davos, zelensky will receive a message from his american colleague biden with a call to go on the defensive in the war. is it possible to connect, for example, these two pieces of information? well, theoretically, it is possible to make a connection,

even in open sources there was information that it seems that sullivan was passing on some proposals from biden so that ukraine would go on the defensive, and you know, propaganda. russia may interpret this as meaning that the united states cannot fulfill its financial obligations because it is uncertain about the results of the changes between the republicans and by the democrats, that they will vote for this aid, in this case it is definitely better to sit on the defensive, because less is spent, resources will be spent, you can interpret it that way, but i do not think that this is a fact, and ukraine itself, it is an independent state, it itself will... decide, but depending on the availability of forces and means, which are forces and means, we also understand that the issue of aid of 50 billion has not yet been resolved in europe, it will be resolved at the summit in february february 1 at the summit of the european union, and inter-party negotiations are ongoing in

the united states of america, what about aid, when the leadership of ukraine will have clear data on the finances, well, then you can plan. operations on the ground, the military will either go on the offensive or sit on the defensive, but ukraine itself will make decisions. please tell me, according to your observations, the peace formula presented by president zelensky, it really has such a large-scale support among the world political community, because not all the points noted there, say analysts and journalists, achievable in the near future, well conditionally, if we are talking about the withdrawal of russian troops from crimea, reparations and so on, well, from my point of view, it plays two two things, the peace formula is, first of all, you know, such a standard and which supports norms and standards , which are written in the un charter, that if you are with this peace formula, because everything is written there exactly what the un charter requires, that you cannot forcefully

change the borders, that you must recognize sovereignty, if you violated the borders, then you must pay for these violations have a certain price there and political and finance. this is the first moment, and the second moment is a certain political pressure on the violators of these norms and standards, that is , uniting the world community of the country under these standards, you put pressure on the aggressor, make him understand that the whole world is against you, you have broken the rules and the majority the world against you, but the third point is that it is necessary to form, to form the position of partners, it seems to me that it is necessary not... at individual forums and negotiations, such as the davos site, but it must be formed by systematic work earlier, for example, if we want to attract countries of the global south, then you need to go to africa and latin america and form and develop cooperation there on a long-term

basis and then try to form or influence the position of your partners, because it is very difficult to form a position immediately through these one-off forums, some countries and... . they form it on the ground, like china, look at how the minister of foreign affairs of china started his visits, he went to africa, he went to africa and will go to latin america, this is the position of supporters of these countries of the global south will be formed by china, and even then it will be difficult to reformat it on platforms such as davos. i thank you, thank you for your analysis, ruslan osypenko, diplomat, international expert, guest of our broadcast, we talked about the results of president zelenskyi's visit to davos and, in particular, his special address. which he voiced. bigusinfo could follow the investigative journalism project team throughout the year. this was announced by the project manager, denis bigus. and some people's deputies, journalists and public figures activists condemned the surveillance of the bigusinfo project team. the reason for such statements was the

streaming of hidden camera recordings of a new year's corporate party in a country complex. in this video, part of the team, namely the operator and social media worker of the project, as bigus says, seems to be at the beginning. later they probably use narcotic substances. the video was published by two little-known sites ord and narodna pravda. the video also appeared on the youtube channel of the same name. the video also included fragments of recordings of telephone conversations, on which the possibility of purchasing drugs is discussed. yes. hello, dibasic. listen, have you already left? well, he left, yes. ah, damn, i didn't have time, oh well. so what? but i think i wanted to ask you, if you have some, to have someone take it for me. because... it should be noted that only the public use of narcotic substances is punishable by law in the initial criminal code. the biusinfo editorial team concluded that

the surveillance had been going on for a long time, precisely because of these audio recordings, the conversations took place at different times with an interval of months. denys bigu stated that employees who allegedly used drugs during the corporate event. fired the rest of the staff will take drug tests, and also spoke about the possible surveillance of his team. representatives of the not-yet-installed service are installing at... hidden cameras in the rooms, and this evening they are coming to play live with the phones, a short survey of the participants of that vidos showed that the part in which the phone service is torn apart is edited from several episodes, between which months, that is we have reason to say that it has been a long period team members are followed stupidly, stubbornly, systematically and... expensively. the bigusinfo team also stated that they do not consider the release of this video to be pressure for any specific investigation,

but rather as an activity in general. such a comment by denys bius leads the media detector. profile publication about the media. so far , the editors have not decided whether to contact the police, but they have announced their own investigation. the team wants to find out who illegally monitored the project employees. law enforcement agencies are silent. it did not comment on the situation no agency. it is not known whether the surveillance was authorized by a court. on what basis? according to bigus, the published video looks like a systematic attempt to discredit the long-term work of his editorial office, this is a direct quote: the director of the institute of mass information , oksana romanyuk, stated about systemic pressure on independent media, mentioning the recent alleged pressure on another journalist, yuriy nikolov, who in particular was involved in the investigation corruption during procurement in the ministry of defense. targeted media hunting, surveillance, hidden video recording, impermeable in a democratic country, and i am very sorry to see an example. which are reminiscent of the times of yanukovych, and which definitely have no place in 2024. on january 14

, unknown people came to the apartment of investigative journalist, co-founder of the project our money, yuriy nikolov, who introduced themselves as military personnel, knocked on the door and left inscriptions on the door calling the journalist a traitor. well, the bigusinfo project was founded in 2013. during its existence, the team conducted hundreds of investigations , including those about viktor medvedchuk and mykola tyshchenko, oleg ladkovsky and others. abcinfo's latest investigations. referred to media reports submitted to president zelensky, which, according to journalists, indicates that any criticism of the head of state is presented as a linguistic attack, and media that criticize the government are presented as opposition. it must be said that in the morning we also contacted the ukrainian law enforcement officers, in particular the national police and the sbu. the sbu said that this is the responsibility of the national police, but there is no response from the national police yet. as evidenced by the public video about journalists bigusinfo, what should be the reaction of the law enforcement officer. we talked about all this with the head of the specialized parliamentary committee. the guest of our broadcast is yaroslav

yurchyshyn, head of the committee on freedom of speech of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. my greetings to you. good morning. mr. yaroslav, thank you for participating in the events that took place. you call it targeted work against biguus-info, this is literally a direct quote from your facebook. please, in this case, specifically, what do you see, or do you see, for example, the pressure on the investigators and by whom? well, i am not a law enforcement agency to clearly state now that i know the customer, after all, journalists, investigators of bigusinfo and the whole group, well, to put it simply, grease poured into the hands of many people, so there may be quite a lot of final customers, but the first stage - it is necessary to find out the performers, because... what are we dealing with? well, first of all, maksym apanasenko stated that there are facts of not one-time, but

actually systematic monitoring of bigusinfo employees over a long period of time, well, at least the last months. we we understand that gathering information from information technology media, i.e. from listening in simple words, should take place either within the framework of pre-trial investigation of nsrd, either little or illegal. in both cases , the fact that it got into the public sphere, the fact that there was a video camera recording the events in the house where the so-called corporate event took place, indicates that, in fact, this operation was being prepared, accordingly, it looks like this , that since... all law enforcement agencies remained silent so far, no one spoke in the framework of which

, which investigative actions took place, and how they counteract the spilling, spilling of this information into the public, well, in fact , monitoring experts and fact-checkers have already recorded that the so-called popular truth is a resource, most likely an artificially created cesspool, where there are no real... workers, and purely ai-created fake bots that dispersed this event, we have a set of questions that clearly shows that this was a provocation. qualitatively planned relatively so, but a provocation, which we can only associate with journalistic activities, so in my opinion, it is definitely obstruction, it is definitely pressure , it is definitely illegal actions, but whoever committed them, the law enforcement agencies must answer for it, otherwise the suspicions, which are already coming from all

sides, that it was actually law enforcement bodies in the interests of some representatives of the authorities, well, they will actually be ... confirmation, here the silence of the security service of ukraine, without whose permission such recordings of the national police, the office of the prosecutor general could not be made, rather plays against them, because it gives a trump card to opponents to talk about you see, they are silent, so it's their business, paneroslav, let's immediately distinguish or not distinguish the extent of drug use in general, if it is proven or not drug use, in this particular case, when it comes to journalists, a strong argument for. .. in order to somehow appeal to these stories, or should this moment be taken out of context? this is clearly out of bounds, neither the journalist's certificate, nor the deputy's certificate, nor the certificate of anyone, the prosecutor, there the status of a judge, does not allow violate the law, but proving the violation

of the law must also be within the law, in fact, even if there were suspicions against someone now bigusinfo employees, and i actually like the quick reaction of the founder and head of bigusinfo denys bigus, who said that he would figure it out, and maybe there even after a certain moment of aggravation, he was immediately told there about his dismissal, but in terms of image, it had a very negative impact on the entire environment, and now to manipulate the position, look at those who are trying to control the government there, and the very stigma in the gun violates the law, drug addicts and the like. a negative background has been created, but is it here now, since this material has already spilled into the network and cannot actually be the basis for full-fledged investigators, not even that, discussions in court, yes, that is , it is no longer actually factage, aa in fact it is clear that the situation itself was simply

specially used, well, on the other hand, i completely agree with... users of social networks who say that if they spent so much time following and digging up only that, well , in fact, there is a suspicion of non-use, because in our criminalized distribution, transportation and, that is, the distribution of narcotic substances, if it was only found in investigators and that in technical workers, well , honestly, we can say that we have ideal journalists and investigators, although of course everyone makes mistakes, sir rosslav? we still have about four minutes left and there are actually a lot of questions, so i will ask briefly in the future, how will your committee act, for example, will there be a separate meeting regarding this incident, will you address to the relevant services, maybe i don’t know, because it’s not only for the example of bigus’ team, the investigator never had any questions about whether unknown people broke into his house or not, whether there is a threat to freedom of speech now, in particular

for the example of these two of recent cases , unfortunately, we have more than two cases, we remember the attack on mykhailo tkach, we remember the humiliation and obstruction of the activities of a local journalist in mykolaiv, so our committee will definitely hold meetings not on individual cases, but on the system of countermeasures reason and with the aim of discrediting their activities, for example, how effective they are, how can you evaluate it, what do you think of the reaction of ukrainian society, here we have to divide, the reaction of social networks, that is, the more socially active part of the population , is really positive, critical. and understands that, if journalists are pressed, most likely, someone will have a gun, but for the general society it will have to wait, that is, for the citizens of ukraine, it will have to wait, again, the analysis in which context it will lend itself, well, in particular on on television, so that we understand, because to attach the stamp of a drug addict, yes, we know

that politicians very often abuse this, for example, in discussions about the legalization of medical cannabis. and yulia tymoshenko directly spoke about the fact that there drug addicts are lobbying and drug dealers are lobbying for some laws, so it is not such an easy topic, i like it, let's say, i am satisfied with the critical attitude of the active part of society, but in general it is a very negative beacon, because with this you can manipulate and it will definitely be manipulated. thank god that two are short question, actually the fact-checker that you already mentioned, lena romanyuk, wrote that she has a question for the editors of the narodna website. the truth that published this video, in particular there, according to her, the entire editorial office has fictitious workplaces generated by artificial intelligence, in particular the photos as well, will there be additional verification of this media and is it possible to strengthen the registration process at the moment? can this is one of the elements from which the request to the security service of ukraine, this is their function, because in fact here we have an example of specific

disinformation, but we have a very soft responsibility, in fact there is no responsibility for disinformation , that is why we are currently working to strengthen our own responsibility, and alyona romanyuk herself spoke about two possible scenarios, so she is more inclined to the fact that it is... the government, but it looks so clumsy and so clearly points to the authorities that there may be a russian trace here, well, i wouldn't talk about conspiracy theories there, but of course the aggressor's country is most interested in the aggressor's country - to quarrel between us and add more flames to the fire , which is already burning between the authorities and investigative journalists, well, this is actually expensive, and therefore i really hope for an adequate and prompt reaction of the security service of ukraine under... other conditions, we understand that, unfortunately, ms. alyona will be right. i thank you for the short analysis, but still important in this topic, yaroslav yurchyshyn, head of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on freedom

of speech, a guest of our broadcast, and we heard that the committee has appealed to the relevant services, and there will also be appeals for others questions in the context of understanding what actually happened and who is right in this case. ukrainian maria chechel became the winner of this year's stephen spender prize, a national poetry competition in great britain. girl. from the village of new york in donetsk region, which is now near the front line and has been under fire from russian forces for the past two days in a row. for the british competition , she translated a poem by the ukrainian writer and public activist viktoria amelina , entitled history for return, into english. victoria amelina is a ukrainian writer and public figure. she died as a result the rocket attack on kramatorsk in the donetsk region last summer. a few days before maria chechel completed the translation of the poem. maria chechel. a student of the university of mariupol, who this year won the national british poetry competition in the spotlight category, we are in touch with maria, i congratulate you, good

day, thank you for joining, tell us about your victory and most importantly about the poem chosen for the competition, what is he about, why did you choose him, how did it all start, and when i was in britain, my teacher told me that there is such a competition, and this year they made a category for ukrainians, that is, where ukrainian poems are translated, and there was a booklet with various poems, ah, and i decided to choose one of these poems, and as i was choosing, i thought that , that i will first read all of them and think about which one will suit my soul, i was very surprised when i saw a lot of familiar names there. and one name was, of course, victoria amelina, ah, i felt a very strong connection to her, even before that, when she won

the new york literary festival, which, which she was organizing at that time here in donetsk region, and it was her poem that i also liked, because she used to write in ukrainian, yes, yes, but... you chose this poem when viktoria was actually alive, right? yes, and what do you remember about victoria, i really hoped that, and i really hoped that she would later review this translation, but it did not happen, unfortunately, but about victoria, i remember that she was very- a very warm person, and it was during this educational trip to kyiv and lviv. i felt that i was really happy although at that moment and living in some unusual status, when you don't know where

to run, all these eight years, somehow you don't know if there is happiness here at all, she really showed that there is another side to this life, and for me it was very important, and it is from this moment, i would say, my writing takes off, simply because then i found... this kind of inspiration and began to write both poems and prose, and in general , victoria is a role model for me, but tell me a few more words about yourself, where do you currently live, study, are you a student mariupol university, that is, it turns out that you entered there already during the large-scale russian invasion of the university, which was evacuated, so why go there, it is some kind of symbol of support, and you can. so to speak, and this is also a symbol of support, because mariupol is not a foreign city to me either, because my mother worked there

for quite a long time. and also with all the events that have happened recently, i feel a lot of empathy for mariupol, and it's hard for me to see such destruction, and how much donetsk and mariupol have become just places alienation, and i hope that in the future we will rebuild ukraine and once again these cities will shine as ukrainian lands. do you currently live abroad? yes, i'm in britain now. and do you perhaps follow the news and what is happening in your native village, in donetsk region, in particular new york, there were shelling there in the last few days, do you have friends there who are talking about it? ah, most of my acquaintances have already left there, and i try to follow the news, but also, as it were, not to read too much into...

into every message simply, because for for many people, the news has now become a kind of source of information that can be a little overwhelming, and when you may have some difficulties abroad, you should try to shield yourself from it a little, just do not read into the same thing, nevertheless, the national flag in you to the wall with you, we see it now, 30 seconds remain until the end, if you can, literally one, a verse from a poem in ukrainian, if you know it in ukrainian, actually the one that won, i think the audience will be interested, and one second, i'm sure i don't know him in ukrainian, for memory, yes, but i remember how i translated it and it

touched me very much. one second , yes, but when mira left the house, she took a placemat from the casket, when tim left the city, picked up a pebble on the street, when the garden was bright, took an apricot stone, when vera left the house, she did not take anything, soon i i will be back, - she said, and did not take anything, maria, i, i thank... you, maria chechel, a student of mariupol university, who this year won the national british poetry contest, a guest of our broadcast. i thank you for watching us. this broadcast remains on radio svoboda's youtube channel. you can go in and look at it, or maybe rewind if you missed a topic. we will see you on the air tomorrow, take care and see you soon.

news in eter spresso, khrystyna porubiy works in the studio. three people were injured due to enemy shelling in the kherson region. the occupiers targeted several residential quarters. cities and villages, informed the head of the regional military administration oleksandr prokudin. in total , the russians shelled the kherson region 75 times. large-scale russian attack on kharkiv: 17 people were injured, two women aged 39 and 43.